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[kban1]

Aftermath of defeat

'Dravid's mind was not in the game' - Bhupinder Singh

Cricinfo staff

January 9, 2007

Bhupinder Singh Sr, the north zone representative in India's selection committee, has come down hard on Rahul Dravid, saying that his "mind was not on the game" during India's recent tour against South Africa.

This was only the second time in his career that Dravid had gone thorough a three-Test series without managing a half-century, ending with a poor average of 20.83. "I just feel that Dravid's mind was not on the game," Bhupinder told Mid-Day, a Mumbai-based tabloid. "Maybe the poor form of the top order was affecting his confidence. We all know what he is capable of and lack of runs from his bat definitely wasn't helping our cause.

"Dravid is like a bedrock on which our batting revolves. He looked a far cry from the kind of batsmanship we are used to seeing from him. In fact, the whole batting department was a big disappointment."

Former India allrounder Roger Binny was also disappointed with Dravid's efforts. "Rahul has been one of our batting mainstays over the years," he told the same paper. "I have never seen him struggle like he did in South Africa. He seemed to get himself into a rut. In our playing days, we had Sunil Gavaskar, who would go on to play a long innings once he is well settled. Ditto for Dravid. If he gets his eye in, he's difficult to get rid off. But he was really struggling in South Africa."

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[Libran]

A build up for replacement at the top 

[jaat69]

A build up for replacement at the top 

we heard the same thing...when SG was captain.
But with RD, it has come a little too soon.
Time for a change, I suppose.( btw..SG has categorically rejected captaincy prospects to the media).

[achutank]

can you give us a reference of this - ravi

[Libran]

can you give us a reference of this - ravi

I guess you are referring to this........."SG has categorically rejected captaincy prospects to the media"...that was from Jaat...

[Cernunnos]

Aftermath of defeat

'Dravid's mind was not in the game' - Bhupinder Singh

Cricinfo staff

January 9, 2007

Bhupinder Singh Sr, the north zone representative in India's selection committee, has come down hard on Rahul Dravid, saying that his "mind was not on the game" during India's recent tour against South Africa.

I think this is a very serious allegation from the selector. If there is a question mark on Dravid's dedication, then he should resign.

[toney]

Aftermath of defeat

'Dravid's mind was not in the game' - Bhupinder Singh

Cricinfo staff

January 9, 2007

Bhupinder Singh Sr, the north zone representative in India's selection committee, has come down hard on Rahul Dravid, saying that his "mind was not on the game" during India's recent tour against South Africa.

I think this is a very serious allegation from the selector. If there is a question mark on Dravid's dedication, then he should resign.

You mean question mark or evidence? Anyone can question anyone's integrity.

A build up for replacement at the top 

we heard the same thing...when SG was captain.
But with RD, it has come a little too soon.
Time for a change, I suppose.( btw..SG has categorically rejected captaincy prospects to the media).

Who offered him the captaincy again?

[Cover Point]

Sardarji in Trouble.
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Reaction to Dravid comments

National selector under pressure

Anand Vasu

January 9, 2007


 
Bhupinder Singh's comments about Rahul Dravid haven't gone down well © Getty Images
 
 
Bhupinder Singh Senior, the national selector from the North Zone, could have got himself into trouble over comments on Rahul Dravid that appeared in Mid Day, a Mumbai tabloid. Bhupinder was quoted as saying that Dravid's "mind was not on the game" in the last Test against South Africa. Bhupinder has not, so far, denied making these comments, and it is understood that officials of the Board of Control for Cricket in India are unimpressed by his actions.


Although they will not directly take action against Bhupinder just yet Cricinfo has learned that the BCCI will be writing to Bhupinder on Wednesday seeking an explanation. They will also, in the same missive, be reminding Bhupinder that it is not in his place to be making comments about individual players in the Indian team.


Traditionally, it is only the chairman of selectors who fronts the media and that too largely only in press conferences immediately following the announcement of a team. Even in these cases it is rare for the selector to speak up so stridently against a player, especially the captain.


Moreover, the five national selectors are governed by a code of conduct that strongly dissuades them from talking to the press and giving interviews of this nature. In fact, it was only recently that the practice of the chairman of the selection committee addressing the media was re-instated.

Approximately three years ago, when Chandu Borde was chairman of the national selection committee, this practice was stopped, after he received a particularly fearful grilling from the press over a specific selection. From then on the secretary of the board, who also acted as the convenor for selection meetings, merely announced the squad, with no explanation from the selectors over decisions taken. The practice was resumed when Kiran More took over as chairman of the selection committee, immediately preceding the previous one.

[toney]

I guess it will be interesting to see whether the cricket fans on this DG support Bhupinder's action in criticizing a player in public (with no grounds) or whether they will dub him with Kiran More who was supposed to have done the same thing.

[Jai]

I guess it will be interesting to see whether the cricket fans on this DG support Bhupinder's action in criticizing a player in public (with no grounds) or whether they will dub him with Kiran More who was supposed to have done the same thing.

RJo2, I feel as one of the selectors, Bhupinder shouldn't have made that comment. But as usual, the heading is more sensational than the actual story. Bhupinder has said why he felt that way and that's because the top order failed which probably had put pressure on RD. Even Binny had felt the same way. But to equate Bhupinder with KM is plain ridiculous and I think someone like you should know that. Bhupinder hasn't said something like as long as he's one of the selectors, RD will never be the captain or in the team. So no, it's not the 'same' thing as what KM did. But if were Bhupinder, I wouldn't have made that comment. But please for heaven's sake, don't compare anyone to KM. He's simply unparallel.

[Cover Point]

And dont forget the BIGGEST difference between the two is that Bhoopi did not comment about the BENGAL TIGER! 

I mean to actually say something bad about anyone else is OK. By insulting SG he (KM) insulted the entire Bengali community (and even some bangladeshis... since they do speak the language!)

[Jai]

And dont forget the BIGGEST difference between the two is that Bhoopi did not comment about the BENGAL TIGER! 

I mean to actually say something bad about anyone else is OK. By insulting SG he (KM) insulted the entire Bengali community (and even some bangladeshis... since they do speak the language!)

If you really believe that Bhupi's comments are similar as KM's comments (which were more like yeh mera baap ka team hai aur iss mein SG ke liye koi jagah nahi), then your mind is in serious trouble CP.

[Cover Point]

And dont forget the BIGGEST difference between the two is that Bhoopi did not comment about the BENGAL TIGER! 

I mean to actually say something bad about anyone else is OK. By insulting SG he (KM) insulted the entire Bengali community (and even some bangladeshis... since they do speak the language!)

If you really believe that Bhupi's comments are similar as KM's comments (which were more like yeh mera baap ka team hai aur iss mein SG ke liye koi jagah nahi), then your mind is in serious trouble CP.

Thank you Jai. Appreciate the concern about my mind.

See the beauty is in the eye of the beholder. U are proving my point. You read what KM said to make it "uske baap ki team". I am glad you are in love with SG.

What your "untroubled and loving " mind fail to realize is that KM was out there much longer and the SG issue was out there for a long time so over time all his comments added up. He was also the chairman so HAD to speak in some cases (not all before u come to my door with a "dawai"). Sardarni Bhoop Kaur had no reason to be commenting and his comments were really out of place. And him commenting on RD's mind not being in the game. Yup that was valid. Mind beemar hai humara. Samjh main nahin aata.

[Jai]

And dont forget the BIGGEST difference between the two is that Bhoopi did not comment about the BENGAL TIGER! 

I mean to actually say something bad about anyone else is OK. By insulting SG he (KM) insulted the entire Bengali community (and even some bangladeshis... since they do speak the language!)

If you really believe that Bhupi's comments are similar as KM's comments (which were more like yeh mera baap ka team hai aur iss mein SG ke liye koi jagah nahi), then your mind is in serious trouble CP.

Thank you Jai. Appreciate the concern about my mind.

See the beauty is in the eye of the beholder. U are proving my point. You read what KM said to make it "uske baap ki team". I am glad you are in love with SG.

What your "untroubled and loving " mind fail to realize is that KM was out there much longer and the SG issue was out there for a long time so over time all his comments added up. He was also the chairman so HAD to speak in some cases (not all before u come to my door with a "dawai"). Sardarni Bhoop Kaur had no reason to be commenting and his comments were really out of place. And him commenting on RD's mind not being in the game. Yup that was valid. Mind beemar hai humara. Samjh main nahin aata.

Thanks for helping me prove that your mind is in serious trouble. I have clearly said that Bhupi shouldn't have made that comment, but you are trying to justify KM's comments who had clearly said that no matter what, SG would never come back as long as he's the chairman of selectors. It's unfortunate that we have fans like you who endorse these type of comments from the chairman of selectors about a player who was trying his best to make a comeback into the team. Can you show me how does KM's comments add up? I am not blaming him for SG's initial trouble or his spat with GC. I am clearly referring to that particular statement made by KM. What do you mean by he had to speak as a chairman of selectors? Do you recall a similar comment by any other past chairman about a player? On what basis can he make such comments? Why SG shouldn't be treated like another player and why his performance shouldn't count?

[prfsr]

As usual, the thread goes the SG way. These Gangulians!
-P

[dave_dj]

And dont forget the BIGGEST difference between the two is that Bhoopi did not comment about the BENGAL TIGER! 

I mean to actually say something bad about anyone else is OK. By insulting SG he (KM) insulted the entire Bengali community (and even some bangladeshis... since they do speak the language!)

Why do you have to bring in reference to a community here?  I think Jai has nicely put it - Bhupinder should stay away from making any public comment - you never know how an honest comment can be totally twisted out of context.  It is always judicious to make no comment.

But it is simply unbelievable how you compare More's comment with this.  May be your mind is not in this discussion.  Or may be you are stirring up hot discussion to keep the DG alive and if this is true, I can understand.

[dave_dj]

we heard the same thing...when SG was captain.
But with RD, it has come a little too soon.
Time for a change, I suppose.( btw..SG has categorically rejected captaincy prospects to the media).

Who offered him the captaincy again?
[/quote]
The same media whose every word assassinating the character of a former Indian captain we believed without any question.

[Cover Point]

And dont forget the BIGGEST difference between the two is that Bhoopi did not comment about the BENGAL TIGER! 

I mean to actually say something bad about anyone else is OK. By insulting SG he (KM) insulted the entire Bengali community (and even some bangladeshis... since they do speak the language!)

If you really believe that Bhupi's comments are similar as KM's comments (which were more like yeh mera baap ka team hai aur iss mein SG ke liye koi jagah nahi), then your mind is in serious trouble CP.

Thank you Jai. Appreciate the concern about my mind.

See the beauty is in the eye of the beholder. U are proving my point. You read what KM said to make it "uske baap ki team". I am glad you are in love with SG.

What your "untroubled and loving " mind fail to realize is that KM was out there much longer and the SG issue was out there for a long time so over time all his comments added up. He was also the chairman so HAD to speak in some cases (not all before u come to my door with a "dawai"). Sardarni Bhoop Kaur had no reason to be commenting and his comments were really out of place. And him commenting on RD's mind not being in the game. Yup that was valid. Mind beemar hai humara. Samjh main nahin aata.

Thanks for helping me prove that your mind is in serious trouble. I have clearly said that Bhupi shouldn't have made that comment, but you are trying to justify KM's comments who had clearly said that no matter what, SG would never come back as long as he's the chairman of selectors. It's unfortunate that we have fans like you who endorse these type of comments from the chairman of selectors about a player who was trying his best to make a comeback into the team. Can you show me how does KM's comments add up? I am not blaming him for SG's initial trouble or his spat with GC. I am clearly referring to that particular statement made by KM. What do you mean by he had to speak as a chairman of selectors? Do you recall a similar comment by any other past chairman about a player? On what basis can he make such comments? Why SG shouldn't be treated like another player and why his performance shouldn't count?

Ok mr Untroubled mind, where did I say that EVERYTHING More said was right? See the trouble again is you read what u want to.  I took exception to your calling the team "More ke baap ki jagir " or whatever. Then I said that since he was th chairman a lot of things added up for him (SG allrounder, we will look forward etc) . I never said that him saying THAT comment was right or acceptable.

I do think though that Bhoopi kaur has even less of a right of making such a comment. So tell me whats the problem?

 

And dont forget the BIGGEST difference between the two is that Bhoopi did not comment about the BENGAL TIGER! 

I mean to actually say something bad about anyone else is OK. By insulting SG he (KM) insulted the entire Bengali community (and even some bangladeshis... since they do speak the language!)

Why do you have to bring in reference to a community here?  I think Jai has nicely put it - Bhupinder should stay away from making any public comment - you never know how an honest comment can be totally twisted out of context.  It is always judicious to make no comment.

and whats wrong with referencing a community? Am I being derogatory towards them? I think we are WAAAAAAYYYYYY to sensitive sometimes. I was just pointing to some things posted to THIS very DG where an insult for SG was considered an insult for entire bengal. (now  i will get in trouble for not capitalizing the B)

[dave_dj]

and whats wrong with referencing a community? Am I being derogatory towards them? I think we are WAAAAAAYYYYYY to sensitive sometimes. I was just pointing to some things posted to THIS very DG where an insult for SG was considered an insult for entire bengal. (now  i will get in trouble for not capitalizing the B)

This "insult for SG was considered an insult for entire bengal" is something that you argued against and mocked at.  Now you are bringing up that approach (that is unacceptable to you) to justify your action.  What is your stand really?  It is important for you to decide before you make your argument - your vacillation is confusing.

You wanted Ganguly to perform and he did in SA.  He certainly could have done better.  Then you start mocking him for a strike rate of 50 in ODI  three years back while you forget that SG had a Strike rate of over 60 in SA tests, higher than anybody else.  You mocked SG (and anybody who you thought supported him) for bringing up his 15000 runs in the past on ground that only current performance counts.  Now you are considering SG's past strike rate and not the current to make fun of him.

Again, I am confused with your diamerically opposite stands.  Help us all understand what is it that you are trying to say.

[bouncer]

What your "untroubled and loving " mind fail to realize is that KM was out there much longer and the SG issue was out there for a long time so over time all his comments added up.

What is this concept of comments adding up? How can a lot of smaller commets add up to a comment like, "as long as I am the chairman of the selection committee, SG won't be the captain or on the team."

You say it once. and that is it. Comments adding up....huh!

[Libran]

In all this, has anyone really wondered what authority does the Secretary of the BOard have to issue veiled diktats, talk about player performance etc.,

He even goes to the extent of nullifying DV's request for a bowling Coach...and to think the position of a Secretary is an administrative one...

And poor Bhupinder...after all the gags that they were put under the KM/ GC combine, one opportunity to speak out and even that gets mired in controversy...

Do I see another Yashpal Sharma in this ..and Bhupinder would have a lot to say about the KM-GC business propositions too !!!!!

[dhruvdeepak]

if indeed Bhup Sr did make those comments (and was not misquoted) what the hell type of comment is that from a national selector? Maybe Bhup Sr should resign for making unprofessional comments. If the BCCI can gag all the players, perhaps the selectors should be next.

[keep-it-cool]

Bull* comment. Not even an "it appears to me that ..." just "RD's mind was not on the game". Thankfully, he did not offer an opinion on where it was.

[kban1]

A selector is bound by certain protocols not to make such public statements -- even if thats his opinion, Bhupinder should be sharing it with his coleagues and the Board, not with the media.

But we shouldnt be surprised I guess -- This whole malfunctioning unit called the BCCI is a joke.

Board secretary publicly commenting on technical issues such as bowling coach, selection issues such as keeping and sending players home, erstwhile chief of selectors talking of some player not making it to the team ever as long as he is Chairman, and now another selector going public about his observations about the team captain.

[proloy]

I guess it will be interesting to see whether the cricket fans on this DG support Bhupinder's action in criticizing a player in public (with no grounds) or whether they will dub him with Kiran More who was supposed to have done the same thing.

Of course there is no question of supporting Bhupinder Singh. He has been around for long not to have learned that he could have written an email instead (and done better, for that matter). That would have been so much the more propah and dignified action to take.

[feverpitch]

I guess it will be interesting to see whether the cricket fans on this DG support Bhupinder's action in criticizing a player in public (with no grounds) or whether they will dub him with Kiran More who was supposed to have done the same thing.

I will...

So long as : --

1. those who thot KM did the right thing when he criticised certain players in the public accept their wrongdoing
2. the same standards are used to take action on BhupiSr as was taken on KM...
3. basically, the same standards applied to everyone, incl all players...

[keep-it-cool]

I guess it will be interesting to see whether the cricket fans on this DG support Bhupinder's action in criticizing a player in public (with no grounds) or whether they will dub him with Kiran More who was supposed to have done the same thing.

I will...

So long as : --

1. those who thot KM did the right thing when he criticised certain players in the public accept their wrongdoing
2. the same standards are used to take action on BhupiSr as was taken on KM...
3. basically, the same standards applied to everyone, incl all players...

One small difference - KM was chairman of selectors - and hence, allowed to address the media. DBV does it all the time. There is no major complaint.

Bhupi Sr is not allowed to do so. He did.