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[toney]

Dude, you are the one who accused me of zonal bias (actually some kind of "anti" feeling against the EZ players for whatever reason). So, I gave it back to you. Nothing to do with SS.

As for SS, I have always maintained that I have a special admiration for him because he is from Kerala. I dont hide under the hypocritical garbs of some others. SS is one of those few Keralite players to even make it to the final XV and I have no shame in saying that I will continue to support him. Show me where I said that he should be persisted with even if he is in poor form. Stop putting words in my mouth.

As for Kaarthick, what is wrong in having him in the team? He is in good form with the bat, he is the best keeper in the country. So there are good reasons for him to be in the team. I never said that he should be chosen ahead of a VVS or a Gautam Gambhir.

And also get yourself treated. First you accuse people of forming a clique. Now, you say I have a problem with EZ players (all because I am not in favour of SG, what a joke!!!). You are clearly delusional.

Oye, did I hit a raw nerve? So, Kaarthick should be chosen, huh? Should we stuff the side with players from the SOuth?

I suppose so. Dhoni out! Kaarthick in! WC ours.

By the way, if I start using the language you're using, your clique will throw quite a fit. So let me know, if you still want to keep this civil or should I throw in some choice suggestions about your head as well?

Now, I am scared. Choice words from you, ho? Let it rip, man!

Aww, so cute. I will take a raincheck, just don't threaten to leave the DG.

Which would be best for my signature?
SREESANTH SUCKS   
DOWN WITH SREESANTH
SREESANTH: EVEN RUCHIR DOESN'T LIKES HIM

Why am I not surprised by the response, rather by the lack of a response?

[Aloo Kashmiri Ul Haq]

*higiri ki saali vat laga reli re ye cp ne, mumbai chi pehli sikh bole tou delhi ka mama sala yedaj hota hai, ek ulta hath ki chamat chipka dene ka pyar ke side effects nahi dekhi kya

damn i have forgotten my mumbaiya hindi

[Sahir]

My point is: If Jaffer can be selected, SG (even in his lame-ass avatar) is *certainly* much better. I see you have conveniently decided not to admit this.

Averaging 36 in the last 10 List-A innings is not bad really. Others off the top of my head:

Laxman: 34.
Karthik: 32.
Uthappa: 29.
Kaif: 24.
D Mongia: 17.
Raina: 12.

There might be others who may have done better. Gautum Gambhir is one such person who has had a prolific season. However it has been ingrained in our heads that Ganguly is terribly out of form and should not even be considered. He has to prove himself in EACH and EVERY match.

Cernunnos,
Do those List A stats count international ODIs for some and only domestic games for others?  Or are they just domestic games for all?  What about the strike rates for the players which is really very important in limited overs cricket?

[Cover Point]

*higiri ki saali vat laga reli re ye cp ne, mumbai chi pehli sikh bole tou delhi ka mama sala yedaj hota hai, ek ulta hath ki chamat chipka dene ka pyar ke side effects nahi dekhi kya

damn i have forgotten my mumbaiya hindi

I think u need to change your name back to DY. I cant say anything nasty to someone named Rohan

By the way I did not understand a word of the mumbai hindi u said and i thought i was very good at it.

[Sahir]

Cernunnos,
The stats are pretty difficult to find, but I can only locate the last 6 List A innings for Ganguly (can you help direct me to the prior ones?).  Of those, 2 were in the recently concluded Challenger Trophy, 1 was in county cricket, and 3 were in the Deodhar Trophy earlier this year. 

In those 6 games, SG has a batting average of 32.66 at a strike rate of 58.51.

Here is a link to the statistics of all top batsmen for the latest domestic ODI tournament, prior to the Challenger Trophy, the Deodhar Trophy, which is a zonal competition:

http://www.cricbuzz.com/component/option,com_mamblog/Itemid,78/task,show/action,view/id,1377/Itemid,78/

[toney]

*higiri ki saali vat laga reli re ye cp ne, mumbai chi pehli sikh bole tou delhi ka mama sala yedaj hota hai, ek ulta hath ki chamat chipka dene ka pyar ke side effects nahi dekhi kya

damn i have forgotten my mumbaiya hindi

I think u need to change your name back to DY. I cant say anything nasty to someone named Rohan

By the way I did not understand a word of the mumbai hindi u said and i thought i was very good at it.

I dont understand either;DY, care to explain?

[Cernunnos]

Ganguly's strike rate has been a Kaifish 65.32 in the last 10 List-A matches.
List-A includes international matches (valid mostly for Kaif & Raina).
For Ganguly:
Orissa, WZ, CZ, NZ, Punjab, Railways, Notts, Essex, India Blue, India Red

[dextrous]

Dude, you are the one who accused me of zonal bias (actually some kind of "anti" feeling against the EZ players for whatever reason). So, I gave it back to you. Nothing to do with SS.

As for SS, I have always maintained that I have a special admiration for him because he is from Kerala. I dont hide under the hypocritical garbs of some others. SS is one of those few Keralite players to even make it to the final XV and I have no shame in saying that I will continue to support him. Show me where I said that he should be persisted with even if he is in poor form. Stop putting words in my mouth.

As for Kaarthick, what is wrong in having him in the team? He is in good form with the bat, he is the best keeper in the country. So there are good reasons for him to be in the team. I never said that he should be chosen ahead of a VVS or a Gautam Gambhir.

And also get yourself treated. First you accuse people of forming a clique. Now, you say I have a problem with EZ players (all because I am not in favour of SG, what a joke!!!). You are clearly delusional.

Oye, did I hit a raw nerve? So, Kaarthick should be chosen, huh? Should we stuff the side with players from the SOuth?

I suppose so. Dhoni out! Kaarthick in! WC ours.

By the way, if I start using the language you're using, your clique will throw quite a fit. So let me know, if you still want to keep this civil or should I throw in some choice suggestions about your head as well?

Now, I am scared. Choice words from you, ho? Let it rip, man!

Aww, so cute. I will take a raincheck, just don't threaten to leave the DG.

Which would be best for my signature?
SREESANTH SUCKS   
DOWN WITH SREESANTH
SREESANTH: EVEN RUCHIR DOESN'T LIKES HIM

Why am I not surprised by the response, rather by the lack of a response?

Why, did you want me to descend to your level of name-calling and suggest that you get your zonally biased head checked? 

[Aloo Kashmiri Ul Haq]

*higiri ki saali vat laga reli re ye cp ne, mumbai chi pehli sikh bole tou delhi ka mama sala yedaj hota hai, ek ulta hath ki chamat chipka dene ka pyar ke side effects nahi dekhi kya

damn i have forgotten my mumbaiya hindi

I think u need to change your name back to DY. I cant say anything nasty to someone named Rohan

By the way I did not understand a word of the mumbai hindi u said and i thought i was very good at it.

I dont understand either;DY, care to explain?

the name change? well my passport first name is Rohan so yeah inspired by the likes of Sahir and yourself Toney I changed my display name
and the mumbaiya hindi

mumbai chi pehli sikh (the first lesson of bombay) bole tou delhi ka mama sala yedaj hota hai (is that a mama from delhi is crazy), ek ulta hath ki chamat(slap) chipka dene ka pyar ke side effects nahi dekhi kya (There are some good Delhi vs. Mumbai jokes in Pyar ke Side effects which is a decent movie)

[Aloo Kashmiri Ul Haq]

*higiri ki saali vat laga reli re ye cp ne, mumbai chi pehli sikh bole tou delhi ka mama sala yedaj hota hai, ek ulta hath ki chamat chipka dene ka pyar ke side effects nahi dekhi kya

damn i have forgotten my mumbaiya hindi

I think u need to change your name back to DY. I cant say anything nasty to someone named Rohan

By the way I did not understand a word of the mumbai hindi u said and i thought i was very good at it.

kayko be?

[Sahir]

Ganguly's strike rate has been a Kaifish 65.32 in the last 10 List-A matches.
List-A includes international matches (valid mostly for Kaif & Raina).
For Ganguly:
Orissa, WZ, CZ, NZ, Punjab, Railways, Notts, Essex, India Blue, India Red

Thanks, are these stats available of CricInfo for all the players?  BTW, I seemed to have missed one of the county matches in the stats I presented earlier where he scored 9 runs off 10 balls.  Therefore, correcting my previous error, in his last 7 List A games he is averaging 29.29 at a strike rate of 59.42.

[dhruvdeepak]

i havent read thru all the replies in this thread as quite predictably it has degraded.
my observation on the team to SA is that it is clearly not anything to do with politics, and the selectors are trying to bridge the gap in the differences between the odi and test teams. the more players in common the better team spirit. that is not to say that a few livewire odi specialists up the odi game. there was also an article somewhere making the point about players graduating from test cricket to odi cricket instead of the other way around.

anyways, Jaffer is a risky selection, but it is a punt and i am glad to see that DV is ready to take risks. he has clearly stated his reasons for picking the guy. i dont agree with those reasons, but he is the chief selector. let us give him some time and space.
Kaarthick's selection befuddles me, but since they are not picking VVS i guess it is harmless to have another keeper around. there are no other bowlers they are ready to pick, and the squad is full of middle order batsmen as it is.

[Cover Point]

*higiri ki saali vat laga reli re ye cp ne, mumbai chi pehli sikh bole tou delhi ka mama sala yedaj hota hai, ek ulta hath ki chamat chipka dene ka pyar ke side effects nahi dekhi kya

damn i have forgotten my mumbaiya hindi

I think u need to change your name back to DY. I cant say anything nasty to someone named Rohan

By the way I did not understand a word of the mumbai hindi u said and i thought i was very good at it.

kayko be?

Wohich to nahin bol sakta hai. Abhi tere pass license hai. Khullam chhoot hai. Jo bolta hai sab chalta hai

[inoc]

Cernunnos,
The stats are pretty difficult to find, but I can only locate the last 6 List A innings for Ganguly (can you help direct me to the prior ones?).  Of those, 2 were in the recently concluded Challenger Trophy, 1 was in county cricket, and 3 were in the Deodhar Trophy earlier this year. 

In those 6 games, SG has a batting average of 32.66 at a strike rate of 58.51.

Here is a link to the statistics of all top batsmen for the latest domestic ODI tournament, prior to the Challenger Trophy, the Deodhar Trophy, which is a zonal competition:

http://www.cricbuzz.com/component/option,com_mamblog/Itemid,78/task,show/action,view/id,1377/Itemid,78/

this is SGs list A performances in last two years.

2003-04    (Australia)        9 9 1 177 82     22.12  0 1 5   
2003-04    (Pakistan)        5 5 0 165 45     33.00  0 0 0   
2004        (Sri Lanka)       6 6 0 244 79      40.66  0 3 2   
2004        (Netherlands)   2 1 0 25 25        25.00  0 0 1   
2004        (England)         5 5 0 211 90      42.20  0 2 3   
2004-05   (India)             8 8 0 167 51      20.87  0 1 2   
2004-05   (Bangladesh)    3 3 0 77 55        25.66  0 1 1   
2004-05   (Australia)       1 1 0 22 22        22.00  0 0 0   
2005       (England)         3 3 0 77 53        25.66  0 1 0   
2005       (Sri Lanka)       3 3 1 79 51        39.50  0 1 0   
2005-06   (Zimbabwe)     5 5 0 77 31        15.40  0 0 2   
2005-06   (India)            8 8 1 301 89*    43.00  0 3 1   
2006       (England)         2 2 0 80 71       40.00  0 1 0   
2006-07   (India)            2 2 0 27 24        13.50  0 0 1

[kban1]

Per Sahir's request:

Ganguly's performances in List A matches since he was dropped from the Indian ODI team (see attachment)

*updated per information provided by Sahir

[Sahir]

kban,
There is one county limited overs List A match that is missing where SG scored 9 off 10 balls.  I too initially missed it on CricInfo as all the scorecards are not available (I believe it is a National League game, which is a 45 over contest, although still qualifies as List A).  Here is the link to Northamptonshire's List A averages this year:

http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2006/ENG_LOCAL/STATS/ALL_LA-STATS/ENG_LOCAL_ALL_LA_AVS_NORTHANTS.html

[Sahir]

kban,
Can you also tell me how you accessed the Ranji ODI stats of last year?  I know I have done it before on CricInfo, but for some reason am unable to find them now.

[kban1]

Sahir:

I was unable to access that -- I saw that Inoc had made a mention of that but could not find it myself. I shall recalculate based on the link you have provided. Thanks for the info.

As to how I got the Ranji stats, well the Cricinfo site is pretty convoluted. So what I did was a search for Ganguly. When I reached his page, I viewed all news articles under his name. Among these news articles was a report about one of his scores in the Ranji OD tournament. I followed that link and that took me to the Ranji scorecards.

[atticus]

kban,
Can you also tell me how you accessed the Ranji ODI stats of last year?  I know I have done it before on CricInfo, but for some reason am unable to find them now.

Go to the India Site and select Domestic History. Select Ranji Trophy (The other links are pretty much useless. They only list the winners with no further links). The Ranji page lists all the winners plus the link to the Final match scorecard. Go to that page and select the Domestic Season Index link all the way at the bottom. Now you can get the whole domestic season which lists all the individual tournaments of that season. Of course, if you have good memory, just remember the link http://usa.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2005-06/IND_LOCAL/ and change the year part for each season.

[justforkix]

I think cricketarchive.com gives all this info very clearly.

[keep-it-cool]

He has been quite clear in his mind that IP should NOT bat at #3 and ultimately he did confront GC about that. GC's logic was we need a left hander at #3. Colonel's counter question was why not Raina and why is he protecting SR at #6 or #7? He also offered the name of DM and GC had to agree. That was obviously for the Aussie match.

I still do not think IP at No.3 is a bad move, if we lose VS early. I do not think DM or SR make the cut there, as yet. Against Aus, we did not lose VS early. Hence, IP did not come in. I hope that formula stays. RD and MSD should bat No.5 and No.6 - irrespective of whether we play five bats or six.

[keep-it-cool]

He has to prove himself in EACH and EVERY match.

Ok. Lets get a tick across one match first. Then we'll talk about the EACH and EVERY.

[Cernunnos]

He has to prove himself in EACH and EVERY match.

Ok. Lets get a tick across one match first. Then we'll talk about the EACH and EVERY.

My point exactly, given how you have chosen to ignore the discussion on averages in the last
10 List-A matches.

[proloy]

Dude, you are the one who accused me of zonal bias

I think this zonal system of bias is doing untold damage to us.

[inoc]

unfortunately this is true IMO.

We have a west zone supremo in BCCI and as selection committee chairman. what more could you expect.

once the west zones players are in place the vocal justification is sure to follow.
i have argued about the fallacy of choosing JW over GG in another thread so will not repeat that, but i will pick on his other generalised statement - no indian player is talented enough to be an international?! huh.

there is once in a blue moon a player who walks into an international side (pakistan is an exception). all others learn their trade in the international arena - we know the ones who have succeeded as well as the ones that have failed (brijesh patel, ramprakash, hick).

to make it personal

DV played his first test after 7 first class matches. as a comparison :
SMG 12
GRV 15
SRT 9

Was he the most talented of this lot? - you judge.
what happenned after his selection an average of 20+ for 20 test matches.

if the selectors followed his example then he would never have been part of the indian side let alone be the respected batsmen he is. i for one dont think that was a bad decision because i liked his batting but he seems to have (seems is the operative word) forgotten that.

most players, exception proves the rule, learn their trade in the international arena. DV is just trying to justify his selections, and it leaves a bad taste in the mouth that they are all from his zone. (RP doesnt enter into the equation - AK was a sure shot selection nobody could deny)

[Jai]

How do they choose the 'Chairman' of selectors? Before DV, it was KM who was also from WZ. I remember Wadekar, Borde etc. from the past who were all from WZ. Who was prior to KM? Can someone throw some other names in this post and also tell us how they select the Chairman? Is it simply the wisest of the five wise men?  Or does it mostly go to the selector from WZ? Has anyone from the East or Central zone ever held this post?

[dextrous]

How do they choose the 'Chairman' of selectors? Before DV, it was KM who was also from WZ. I remember Wadekar, Borde etc. from the past who were all from WZ. Who was prior to KM? Can someone throw some other names in this post and also tell us how they select the Chairman? Is it simply the wisest of the five wise men?  Or does it mostly go to the selector from WZ? Has anyone from the East or Central zone ever held this post?

It's BCCI...not a democracy.

[toney]

How do they choose the 'Chairman' of selectors? Before DV, it was KM who was also from WZ. I remember Wadekar, Borde etc. from the past who were all from WZ. Who was prior to KM? Can someone throw some other names in this post and also tell us how they select the Chairman? Is it simply the wisest of the five wise men?  Or does it mostly go to the selector from WZ? Has anyone from the East or Central zone ever held this post?

I think there is some kind of a reservation quota. As soon as ex cricketers from the west zone are brought on par with the upper class, other zones will be taken care of (after consulting with Ambedkarji's ghost of course)

[Jai]

Folks, it was a serious question. I'd really like to know how they choose the Chairman. In the past half hour or so, I got a smite. After a long long time. _|_ (GC istyle)

[toney]

Jai, not me smiting. To answer your serious question, I honestly thought it was a vote among the selectors. I am just guessing.

[inoc]

wink wink pat pat

[inoc]

and me - got a smite that is
dont know what i said wrong
never mind atleast somebody is happy.