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[fineleg]

Sorry for writing abt this publicly. I apologize.

But after having shared many moments with many members, it is hurting bad to see many planning to leave.
( I will not name all the members publicly here).

There are so many PM's from long-standing DG members that they are considering to move away from this DG.

1. Guys - stay - this DG is not fun without many of you. The good times will return again.
2. Mods - Let me first say that I thank you for trying to maintain calm in the DG. However, based on some recent issues, consider this request: When any member (whoever it is) brings up issues or concerns to you - please respond to them politely and Please address the concerns, or tell them why it may be ok to not address it in a reasonable way.
Don't get me wrong: I am not saying you have not done this in the past, but seems like now is a time of escalations, and hence re-emphasizing.


I would not like to discuss any specific cases publicly. Concerns will be PM'd to appropriate Mods and members, and lets discuss in PM.

This PUBLIC POSTING is for one and only one purpose -
An appeal to the DG members to not lose their cool. STAY - the cricket fun will start soon.

Thanks and lets continue to have fun.
--FL
I HOPE THIS THREAD WILL BE FOR ENCOURAGING MEMBERS TO STAY...NO ARGUMENTS in this thread...if ARGUMENTS start, I will lock the thread immediately since that is not the purpose.

[kban1]

God, can I not even take a vacation in peace ? 

Seriously, what is going on here ? Why do people wish to leave ? Why is everyone so irked ?

Feel free to PM me with specifics and your POV --I am not sure what has happened but would like to know in a little more detail about what the gripes / complaints / concerns are.

[ramshorns]

God, can I not even take a vacation in peace ? 

Seriously, what is going on here ? Why do people wish to leave ? Why is everyone so irked ?

Feel free to PM me with specifics and your POV --I am not sure what has happened but would like to know in a little more detail about what the gripes / complaints / concerns are.

Can I add, everything will be fine and I do not think this needs a debate.  Best to lock this thread.  Like Kban1 said it is better to take this offline.  No one is leaving this DG,  period.

[gouravk]

Are these recent developments because of my recent prolonged abscence ?

[toney]

Are these recent developments because of my recent prolonged abscence ?

ROFL

[ruchir]

God, can I not even take a vacation in peace ? 

Seriously, what is going on here ? Why do people wish to leave ? Why is everyone so irked ?

Feel free to PM me with specifics and your POV --I am not sure what has happened but would like to know in a little more detail about what the gripes / complaints / concerns are.

Man, you are still in vacation mode.    Did you check your messages? You will see lot of new stuff there. But basically, don't worry. Everything will be cool shortly.......................... that is when you take measures.

[fineleg]

Are these recent developments because of my recent prolonged abscence ?

ROFL! Much needed humor in this DG, GK

Rams - if any deterioration - this thread will be locked.

[ruchir]

Are these recent developments because of my recent prolonged abscence ?

ROFL

This is what we call - The  presence.

[toney]

God, can I not even take a vacation in peace ? 

Seriously, what is going on here ? Why do people wish to leave ? Why is everyone so irked ?

Feel free to PM me with specifics and your POV --I am not sure what has happened but would like to know in a little more detail about what the gripes / complaints / concerns are.

kban, if you dont mind, I think people should voice their problems in public. I am sure there is nothing that the rest of us shouldnt hear
As long as it doesnt end up being mud slinging, this could be a very interesting thread. Also, if you havent noticed, very few people, in spite of repeated threats, have actually left.

[kban1]

I am ok with people voicing their concerns here too.

Btw, I am still on vacation, just read my PMs --I get the broad outline of the issue at hand but am still lost as to the specifics / the incident/ or the exact cause of discontent.

I am quite open to a discussion as long as it is discussing the issue and does not degenerate. After all, if there is an issue which is bothering people thus, then there should be a clear opportunity to discuss it (hopefully without resorting to personal animus)

[dextrous]

Let's not talk in cryptic riddles. If you have a problem with me, PM me. No decent member of this board has ever got a raw deal, whether it be CLR, fineleg, DD, flute, or ruchir. If anyone's looking to cripple the board with a clique, and force the admin's hand, I will have no part of it. This utterly one-sided view of looking at things just doesn't work. All admin functions, esp. related to two individuals, has been made in complete consent of all active members of the admin team. In any case, if individual concerned wants to communicate, it's another matter, let's not have lobby groups. And before you make martyrs out of some people, perhaps you should see what they've done too.

[flute202020]

Let's not talk in cryptic riddles. If you have a problem with me, PM me. No decent member of this board has ever got a raw deal, whether it be CLR, fineleg, DD, flute, or ruchir. If anyone's looking to cripple the board with a clique, and force the admin's hand, I will have no part of it. This utterly one-sided view of looking at things just doesn't work. All admin functions, esp. related to two individuals, has been made in complete consent of all active members of the admin team. In any case, if individual concerned wants to communicate, it's another matter, let's not have lobby groups. And before you make martyrs out of some people, perhaps you should see what they've done too.

kban1, as I PMed you, the concern is about certain decisions and certains members feeling frustated enough to leave(not only CP). Fineleg's thread or my PM is not an attempt at lobbying or groups. I thought you will much appreciate hearing what is going on rather than talking about "groupism" or lobby.

Anyway, to stop these noises and to make things more balanced and fill Sahir's absence, why not have one more Mod, say Ruchir or DD or Rams or fineleg? I know this is not my site and I have no decision making power here, just my 2 sincere cents. Please do not consider this as groupism, just my considered opinion to make correction in perception which is what counts. How about having a poll to this effect, to expand the board of Mods?

[flute202020]

Are these recent developments because of my recent prolonged abscence ?

above is a contradictory statement 
vishnu sarvaantharyami (Vishnu is omnipresent)
according to my hindu dharma, how can  ever be absent from anywhere to be cause of recent developments?

[prfsr]

Are these recent developments because of my recent prolonged abscence ?

Honestly, this made my day! Fantastic!
 

-P

[dextrous]

Let's not talk in cryptic riddles. If you have a problem with me, PM me. No decent member of this board has ever got a raw deal, whether it be CLR, fineleg, DD, flute, or ruchir. If anyone's looking to cripple the board with a clique, and force the admin's hand, I will have no part of it. This utterly one-sided view of looking at things just doesn't work. All admin functions, esp. related to two individuals, has been made in complete consent of all active members of the admin team. In any case, if individual concerned wants to communicate, it's another matter, let's not have lobby groups. And before you make martyrs out of some people, perhaps you should see what they've done too.

kban1, as I PMed you, the concern is about certain decisions and certains members feeling frustated enough to leave(not only CP). Fineleg's thread or my PM is not an attempt at lobbying or groups. I thought you will much appreciate hearing what is going on rather than talking about "groupism" or lobby.

Anyway, to stop these noises and to make things more balanced and fill Sahir's absence, why not have one more Mod, say Ruchir or DD or Rams or fineleg? I know this is not my site and I have no decision making power here, just my 2 sincere cents. Please do not consider this as groupism, just my considered opinion to make correction in perception which is what counts. How about having a poll to this effect, to expand the board of Mods?

And this is because, for once, the mods didn't bend over backwards to appease a certain person...nice. How about a poll about the greatest rivalry--oh wait, it had two folks. Or does it take one to clap.

By the way, we are looking at a new mod, if Sahir doesn't return. But I just want to make sure this has nothing to do with the new lobby group 

[MockTurtle]

Sorry for writing abt this publicly. I apologize.

But after having shared many moments with many members, it is hurting bad to see many planning to leave.
( I will not name all the members publicly here).

There are so many PM's from long-standing DG members that they are considering to move away from this DG.

1. Guys - stay - this DG is not fun without many of you. The good times will return again.
2. Mods - Let me first say that I thank you for trying to maintain calm in the DG. However, based on some recent issues, consider this request: When any member (whoever it is) brings up issues or concerns to you - please respond to them politely and Please address the concerns, or tell them why it may be ok to not address it in a reasonable way.
Don't get me wrong: I am not saying you have not done this in the past, but seems like now is a time of escalations, and hence re-emphasizing.


I would not like to discuss any specific cases publicly. Concerns will be PM'd to appropriate Mods and members, and lets discuss in PM.

This PUBLIC POSTING is for one and only one purpose -
An appeal to the DG members to not lose their cool. STAY - the cricket fun will start soon.

Thanks and lets continue to have fun.
--FL
I HOPE THIS THREAD WILL BE FOR ENCOURAGING MEMBERS TO STAY...NO ARGUMENTS in this thread...if ARGUMENTS start, I will lock the thread immediately since that is not the purpose.

       - what did i miss NOW?

[fineleg]

Dex - Can you please implement this simple suggestion - quite a few liked it -
THIS WILL THEN BE THE ONLY MODERATION - saves work for MODS, and fighters can please themselves too.


This is simple enough (creation of an addl. board) - does not need any programming to build the "ignore" feature etc.

http://www.cricketvoice.com/cricketforum2/index.php?topic=3752.msg47239#msg47239

CUT-and-PASTE here:

I don't know if folks remember or care abt it...but many months ago I suggested something. If u've forgotten, it is that let us have a new board called "Unmoderated"...If a thread gets too hot, let the thread be moved there - not locked or anything, just moved there. All will have access to view and post there - only thing is there will be ZERO moderation on that board (absolutely no moderation).

Folks who don't want to go to that board will refrain from going there...once thread goes there, Mods dont have to worry abt moderating it any further. And, folks who go in there and participate know fully well, they are going there on their own accord.

http://www.cricketvoice.com/cricketforum2/index.php?topic=3752.msg47262#msg47262

Fineleg, excellent idea. But who will move the thread to the "Kid's section"? If the mods do that, wouldnt that be a kind of moderation?

Yes,  toney it is a "sort of" moderation that Mods will do, I agree. But it is less invasive moderation and much less restrictive...just moved to another board after the argument is tending to heat up...but no restrictions on the other board...So, posting/reading can continue.

BTW, call it the "Unmoderated" board...politically correct.

[CLR James]

Let's not talk in cryptic riddles. If you have a problem with me, PM me. No decent member of this board has ever got a raw deal, whether it be CLR, fineleg, DD, flute, or ruchir. If anyone's looking to cripple the board with a clique, and force the admin's hand, I will have no part of it. This utterly one-sided view of looking at things just doesn't work. All admin functions, esp. related to two individuals, has been made in complete consent of all active members of the admin team. In any case, if individual concerned wants to communicate, it's another matter, let's not have lobby groups. And before you make martyrs out of some people, perhaps you should see what they've done too.

kban1, as I PMed you, the concern is about certain decisions and certains members feeling frustated enough to leave(not only CP). Fineleg's thread or my PM is not an attempt at lobbying or groups. I thought you will much appreciate hearing what is going on rather than talking about "groupism" or lobby.

Anyway, to stop these noises and to make things more balanced and fill Sahir's absence, why not have one more Mod, say Ruchir or DD or Rams or fineleg? I know this is not my site and I have no decision making power here, just my 2 sincere cents. Please do not consider this as groupism, just my considered opinion to make correction in perception which is what counts. How about having a poll to this effect, to expand the board of Mods?

And this is because, for once, the mods didn't bend over backwards to appease a certain person...nice. How about a poll about the greatest rivalry--oh wait, it had two folks. Or does it take one to clap.

By the way, we are looking at a new mod, if Sahir doesn't return. But I just want to make sure this has nothing to do with the new lobby group 

I agree with you Dex. I have never had to compromise my self respect or my beliefs to be in this DG. I do trust the moderators because so far they have ensured that a congenial climate to that end has prevailed here (in a manner that has nothing to do with who is a GC supporter and who is not). But it seems that this is not true of certain members. Since this has come out in the open, let us not be cloak and dagger about this. Without revealing the names concerned, could you Dex and the other moderators enlighten us about the nature of some requests that exceeded the limits of fairness? How exactly are the moderators feeling pressurized to bend over backwards to appease a person? If there arfe misunderstandings and misgivings, why not settle them? Presumably we are all mature adults.

I apologize if I sound out of the loop. I have been away during my six week vacation in India. I was thoroughly enjoying my return till now. This is a rude shock for me.

[dextrous]

Let's not talk in cryptic riddles. If you have a problem with me, PM me. No decent member of this board has ever got a raw deal, whether it be CLR, fineleg, DD, flute, or ruchir. If anyone's looking to cripple the board with a clique, and force the admin's hand, I will have no part of it. This utterly one-sided view of looking at things just doesn't work. All admin functions, esp. related to two individuals, has been made in complete consent of all active members of the admin team. In any case, if individual concerned wants to communicate, it's another matter, let's not have lobby groups. And before you make martyrs out of some people, perhaps you should see what they've done too.

kban1, as I PMed you, the concern is about certain decisions and certains members feeling frustated enough to leave(not only CP). Fineleg's thread or my PM is not an attempt at lobbying or groups. I thought you will much appreciate hearing what is going on rather than talking about "groupism" or lobby.

Anyway, to stop these noises and to make things more balanced and fill Sahir's absence, why not have one more Mod, say Ruchir or DD or Rams or fineleg? I know this is not my site and I have no decision making power here, just my 2 sincere cents. Please do not consider this as groupism, just my considered opinion to make correction in perception which is what counts. How about having a poll to this effect, to expand the board of Mods?

And this is because, for once, the mods didn't bend over backwards to appease a certain person...nice. How about a poll about the greatest rivalry--oh wait, it had two folks. Or does it take one to clap.

By the way, we are looking at a new mod, if Sahir doesn't return. But I just want to make sure this has nothing to do with the new lobby group 

I agree with you Dex. I have never had to compromise my self respect or my beliefs to be in this DG. I do trust the moderators because so far they have ensured that a congenial climate to that end has prevailed here (in a manner that has nothing to do with who is a GC supporter and who is not). But it seems that this is not true of certain members. Since this has come out in the open, let us not be cloak and dagger about this. Without revealing the names concerned, could you Dex and the other moderators enlighten us about the nature of some requests that exceeded the limits of fairness? How exactly are the moderators feeling pressurized to bend over backwards to appease a person? If there arfe misunderstandings and misgivings, why not settle them? Presumably we are all mature adults.

I apologize if I sound out of the loop. I have been away during my six week vacation in India. I was thoroughly enjoying my return till now. This is a rude shock for me.

Appears that some people have been asked to disrupt the forum as much as possible.

[fineleg]

Dex,
Cmon man - no one is trying to disrupt the forum. Can u please take a look at above suggestion and let us know if u can consider creating that 'Unmoderated' board. That will end the ban 'punishments' and all sorts of moderation.

Even mods will only have one job - move unsavory threads to that board and then forget abt it. What say?

[dextrous]

Dex,
Cmon man - no one is trying to disrupt the forum.

Really, fineleg?

Come, my friend, show some honesty. Why not share who the mastermind is, then we can talk about "ideas"? Quite conflicting what I'm seeing here, what I was PMed about some time ago from another member, and what other mods have gotten.

Gimme a story and stick to it.

[ramshorns]

As I said it is a bad idea to have a thread like this.  I told that in the very first post.  If there are any problems it is best to go via the PM route. 

I think it is a good idea for people to hold off and not post anything more on this thread tonight and let this not deteriorate to where nothing comes out of it.

[dextrous]

Dex,
Can u please take a look at above suggestion and let us know if u can consider creating that 'Unmoderated' board. That will end the ban 'punishments' and all sorts of moderation.

Even mods will only have one job - move unsavory threads to that board and then forget abt it. What say?

There are very practical and legal reasons why that's something that will not be possible.
A. It means members can swear each other out, trash each other all they want, threaten each other. It will all go to the unmoderarated board, there for everyone to see. Let's say a person F is harassed by a person C, and the person F is a little bit above the gutter level and doesn't want to fight. What does he do? Not much, it's still all there for the world to see.
B. Person F can take action against person C and the courts would ask the Admins here for IP addresses. He can also (iffy, but possible) sue this forum directly.
C. Hosting terms for all sites (except for a few) prohibit harassment, online or otherwise.

So answer is no, I do not want to be sued, or get entangled in a legal battle or have the site shut down so some people can get filth out in the board.

[flute202020]

Dex,
Cmon man - no one is trying to disrupt the forum.

Really, fineleg?

Come, my friend, show some honesty. Why not share who the mastermind is, then we can talk about "ideas"? Quite conflicting what I'm seeing here, what I was PMed about some time ago from another member, and what other mods have gotten.

Gimme a story and stick to it.

dex, really a riddle, what are you talking about? mastermind? conflict? another member? sounds like a bollywood potboiler. do give us all the details..no need to beat around the bush.

[fineleg]

Dex,
Cmon man - no one is trying to disrupt the forum.

Really, fineleg?

Come, my friend, show some honesty. Why not share who the mastermind is, then we can talk about "ideas"? Quite conflicting what I'm seeing here, what I was PMed about some time ago from another member, and what other mods have gotten.

Gimme a story and stick to it.

Dex,
There is no "mastermind" who asked any of us to create threads regarding this topic. I created the thread, becos I came to know ppl were planning to leave the DG - hence I created thread to ask ppl not to quit, and ask the mods to address the concerns.

Where is the honesty issue? Are u saying that someone "incited or asked" me to create this thread? and I am not revealing it? No one asked me to post anything public on the forum. So, before you ask me to be honest, check your facts with me directly (or PM me if you like).

Let me make it easy for Dex to understand:
CP did *NOT* ask us to post anything or create any threads - clear?

[MockTurtle]

Dex,
Cmon man - no one is trying to disrupt the forum.

Really, fineleg?

Come, my friend, show some honesty. Why not share who the mastermind is, then we can talk about "ideas"? Quite conflicting what I'm seeing here, what I was PMed about some time ago from another member, and what other mods have gotten.

Gimme a story and stick to it.

Dex,
There is no "mastermind" who asked any of us to create threads regarding this topic. I created the thread, becos I came to know ppl were planning to leave the DG - hence I created thread to ask ppl not to quit, and ask the mods to address the concerns.

Where is the honesty issue? Are u saying that someone "incited or asked" me to create this thread? and I am not revealing it? No one asked me to post anything public on the forum. So, before you ask me to be honest, check your facts with me directly (or PM me if you like).

Let me make it easy for Dex to understand:
CP did *NOT* ask us to post anything or create any threads - clear?

fineleg, why are these people planning to leave the DG? could you elaborate on that? i plan to leave the DG every third day (and return the fifth day) and so i am rather curious. if make such appeals in public, it is but fair that we hear the full story, at least the reason for leaving, if not the names.

[toney]

CLR James, nice post from you. Without divulging names, if Dex or kban can give details of these behind-the-scenes proceedings, it will be great. Till then, though I wasnt really on vacation, I am also in the dark. And I really would like to know these juicy little details

[dextrous]

Dex,
Cmon man - no one is trying to disrupt the forum.

Really, fineleg?

Come, my friend, show some honesty. Why not share who the mastermind is, then we can talk about "ideas"? Quite conflicting what I'm seeing here, what I was PMed about some time ago from another member, and what other mods have gotten.

Gimme a story and stick to it.

Dex,
There is no "mastermind" who asked any of us to create threads regarding this topic. I created the thread, becos I came to know ppl were planning to leave the DG - hence I created thread to ask ppl not to quit, and ask the mods to address the concerns.

Where is the honesty issue? Are u saying that someone "incited or asked" me to create this thread? and I am not revealing it? No one asked me to post anything public on the forum. So, before you ask me to be honest, check your facts with me directly (or PM me if you like).

Let me make it easy for Dex to understand:
CP did *NOT* ask us to post anything or create any threads - clear?

And as I've said to others earlier, I stand by all mod actions of the past few weeks. People, who are close to someone, will always view them as the persecuted. But bans are not handed out easily, and a lot of thinking went in behind it. But each time something happens to someone well-liked by one side, the other side is up in arms (and if even one of you would, for once, actually stand up for someone from the other side, we would be far more inclined to take partisan rumblings more seriously) -- unless you're going to let us go by our day-to-day business, it makes the job far far harder. Suddenly, there are calls for more admins, and what not.

The simple truth of the matter is, most members do not have a run in with the admins, ever. It's name less than half a dozen names that crop up. And please, don't sit here and pretend that the person all this is being done for is a Ram-avatar being taken down by Ravan.

[dextrous]

Dex,
Cmon man - no one is trying to disrupt the forum.

Really, fineleg?

Come, my friend, show some honesty. Why not share who the mastermind is, then we can talk about "ideas"? Quite conflicting what I'm seeing here, what I was PMed about some time ago from another member, and what other mods have gotten.

Gimme a story and stick to it.

dex, really a riddle, what are you talking about? mastermind? conflict? another member? sounds like a bollywood potboiler. do give us all the details..no need to beat around the bush.

Yeah saab to aap hi bata sakte hain. Aap longe ke saath itni nainsafi hui hai. Sub log complain kar rahe hain and dhamki de rahen hain. Sub kya subhe subhe achanak se hi apne roles nibhana lage kya? All coincidence today?

[Aloo Kashmiri Ul Haq]

coming soon
dg awards 2007 category - best returns

[dhruvdeepak]

this is a terrible way to solve DG problems.
I have given my views on this to those concerned via PM, but to reiterate:

1) You are foolish to leave the DG because of such small incidents. Think how trivial it is in the perspective of your life and ask yourself if the corresponding action you mean to take (leave the DG) is appropriate.

2) I am very uncomfortable with the new developments -
- I am happy with the job the mods do. I do not think we need another one. I think we should appreciate everything that they do, and what we are asking of them with issues like this. It is difficult, and it is delicate. 
- I do not like this new thing of taking sides for no reason at all (what this thread is going to eventually veer towards). At least before we had a reason to be divided (SG)!
- The reason this thread has been opened is known. I thought we were doing fine (in dealing with it) without involving the mods, or making the whole issue public.

3) If this DG divides into cliques it will be very, very difficult to engage with each other in meaningful discussions. This is a warning. Everyone already knows how tough it is to communicate without being accused of anti-SG this or pro-GC that. Do not create new reasons. And do not ruin the sanctity of this board.

4) Just carry on with life. As has been mentioned in this thread, we are idle on this DG at the moment. That is ok. Give it a break and go away for a bit. But come back when there is (Indian) cricket on. I guarantee you that the atmosphere around here will be a lot better.

I dont mean to make it sound like the DG is deteriorating into oblivion or something. No such thing is happening. A couple of people are angry, that is all. What I want to say is that, dont take sides because of that, and let the concerned people sort the issue out on their own along with the mods. 

[pieterSAN]

This may help some people who have been out of the loop. (It is intentionally vague.)

First of all, I agree with the DD....the difficulty has been for members to deal with other appropriately. Like DD and several others, I have not had any complaints with the way the mods have handled my own posts. There are several times that I thought I may have gone overboard with rhetoric. On each occasion, I have been pleasantly surprised to "get away with it".

However, the issue is that more than 3 or 4 people, including me can't help but feel that one particular member of the DG could be better managed over more than one incident. There is a certain amount of resentment about it. I already posted my views on it via PM, which is to ignore members of the DG that push your button. We are on a discussion group on the internet...if the nature of converstation gets unacceptable, just take a break from the DG for a few hours. I mean... we are all grown up here. If you don't think you can communicate with someone, you stop engaging them in discussion. I realize the mods, who have been excellent for the most part, cannot be on top of things 24/7. Given that they have a life, we may need to grow up and engage in some self-moderation.

Let me remind everyone, that it is a particular mix of people and a certain amount of friction that has helped make this DG so dear to all of us. With that in mind, I would hate to see anyone who is involved in this leave. I still feel that Sahir leaving was unfortunate and I miss his level headed approach to any argument and sensible posts.

[dextrous]

However, the issue is that more than 3 or 4 people, including me can't help but feel that one particular member of the DG could be better managed over more than one incident. There is a certain amount of resentment about it. I already posted my views on it via PM, which is to ignore members of the DG that push your button.

Ahh, just one, huh?

[pieterSAN]

However, the issue is that more than 3 or 4 people, including me can't help but feel that one particular member of the DG could be better managed over more than one incident. There is a certain amount of resentment about it. I already posted my views on it via PM, which is to ignore members of the DG that push your button.

Ahh, just one, huh?

Zimmbly one only, no?

[fineleg]

fineleg, why are these people planning to leave the DG? could you elaborate on that? i plan to leave the DG every third day (and return the fifth day) and so i am rather curious. if make such appeals in public, it is but fair that we hear the full story, at least the reason for leaving, if not the names.

Mock,
Just saw ur post. I think jiet (pieterSAN) has it nailed down.
Many members feel that while one member is repeatedly attempting to start a fight or take potshots at DG members, he is allowed to do so... then when escalation happens (which is bound to when needling and potshots are started), then multiple people have to be "warned" etc

People are unhappy that one member is able to take things down to a low. And is being allowed to some extent.
Various people have PM'd mods abt this concern.

For example, if member X says SG sucks! He does not deserve to get into the team.

Why should member Y get personally taunting with X? That should be stopped or if it is not stopped, then let it go to the full gutter level, which it will eventually go...Some members have learnt to ignore taunting. Others respond back with full might.

[keep-it-cool]

Boy, I seem to have missed this one completely .... both the incidents as well as this thread

But are we going back to school here? with monitors and moderators required for everything .. you dont like a person? .. ignore him/her ... want to leave the DG? go ahead

what's with making a public show of everything?

[keep-it-cool]

fineleg, why are these people planning to leave the DG? could you elaborate on that? i plan to leave the DG every third day (and return the fifth day) and so i am rather curious. if make such appeals in public, it is but fair that we hear the full story, at least the reason for leaving, if not the names.

Mock,
Just saw ur post. I think jiet (pieterSAN) has it nailed down.
Many members feel that while one member is repeatedly attempting to start a fight or take potshots at DG members, he is allowed to do so... then when escalation happens (which is bound to when needling and potshots are started), then multiple people have to be "warned" etc

People are unhappy that one member is able to take things down to a low. And is being allowed to some extent.
Various people have PM'd mods abt this concern.

For example, if member X says SG sucks! He does not deserve to get into the team.

Why should member Y get personally taunting with X? That should be stopped or if it is not stopped, then let it go to the full gutter level, which it will eventually go...Some members have learnt to ignore taunting. Others respond back with full might.

fineleg, i have a fair idea who you may be referring to ... but how does someone taking pot shots at you harm you? you have a problem, report it and get on with life .. there are enough people out here and enough posts here to keep one busy without retorting to everything ...

[fineleg]

Boy, I seem to have missed this one completely .... both the incidents as well as this thread

But are we going back to school here? with monitors and moderators required for everything .. you dont like a person? .. ignore him/her ... want to leave the DG? go ahead

what's with making a public show of everything?

K-I-C,
That is the best approach - IGNORE! idiotic posts.

But some cannot ignore. For example, if CP or TYC posts abt SG, then some cannot ignore.
If Jaat needles CP, then CP does not ignore.

If someone posts in support of Pak, why dont we ignore? Instead another tells him "Go to Pak!". Not that who is right, but we can just ignore such posts? no?

IGNORING is the best approach, but not always that happens here. I suggested no need for any moderation, but alas Unmoderated is not accepted either.

[k-slice]

guys,
on both sides
lets be frank here. the problem comes in from the fact that both CP and Jaat attack each other with equal fervor. you cannot say that one is more guilty than the other. the bottom line is that if people here think that the mods have been partial, they are inaccurate in my opinion. this is a discussion group for chist's sake, not a ego massage parlour. if CP feels wronged he should discuss it with the mods. if jaat feels he has been treated unfairly he too can discuss this. i dont see why we have to form groups here apart from the obvious former captains support/hater groups. what started as that has now become 2 separate groups that seem to bicker and support their own mebers irrespective of whether they are right or wrong. as for the unmoderated thread goes, why dont you just take each others instant messenger id's and cuss each other out there? lets see how many people will be willling to give up their anonimity and do that. why sully the atmosphere of the Dg for our personal grouses?
come on guys(and ladies). lets just get on with it. if people want to leave, oh well thas their personal choice. it is unfair to campaign and get people to leave. if you are so into campaigning try and get peopl here instead.
just a request that you can take or leave.

[fineleg]

PEACE in this DG will be restored when technologically the "Ignore" button or feature becomes available 
(I am not gonna use it though, for me I will read those posts and ROFL!...oh wait! I may use it if one member returns just kidding)

KIC
Agreed. No harm, just ignore. But not all are following 'ignore approach'.