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Re: India Cricket stars embroiled in WADA doping demand
« Reply #40 on: August 05, 2009, 09:18:40 PM »
I think it will come down to Right to Privacy, guaranteed in constitution of many countries.

Why should any player be forced to tell when he will be during a given hour 3 months in advance? So what if he earns million $ or is the heartthrob of his nation? How does that matter when it comes to privacy? Sure, when he is walking in a public place, he can not expect privacy, but that does not mean that he should be forced to disclose his location in advance!!

On the other hand, I can see where WADA is coming from. Even though this process is cumbersome, it lets WADA know in advance where a player will be at a given time. It makes it easy for them to get whatever samples they are looking for. This is better than them asking for the employing board/organization for the whereabouts of the player and then making travel arrangements to get to him within 24 hours or whatever time they think is needed.

WADA will want it and sportsmen will hate it. Ultimately any lawsuit will come down to the right to privacy and IMO WADA will lose there.
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Re: India Cricket stars embroiled in WADA doping demand
« Reply #41 on: August 06, 2009, 12:28:41 AM »
uderstand the right of privacy ,but at the same time the players must understand that this is being done for a good cause.at the end of the day we all know and agree that every sportsperson should play on a level field and if in order to make sure it happens one has to pay the price and if you get so much of fame/money then it is worth it for its the game that has made these sportsmen what they r today not the other way around.
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Re: India Cricket stars embroiled in WADA doping demand
« Reply #42 on: August 06, 2009, 03:53:08 AM »
Heard Somdev on TV today, he supports the cricketers.
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Re: India Cricket stars embroiled in WADA doping demand
« Reply #43 on: August 06, 2009, 01:03:14 PM »
uderstand the right of privacy ,but at the same time the players must understand that this is being done for a good cause.at the end of the day we all know and agree that every sportsperson should play on a level field and if in order to make sure it happens one has to pay the price and if you get so much of fame/money then it is worth it for its the game that has made these sportsmen what they r today not the other way around.
That way with the Pretext of good cause, One can support anything !
If I was player, I would have faught it till finish line. Just saying X person has signed it is a BS argument IMO.  Every player who wants a hassle free private life outside the game should continue to fight it. LEt all players stat putting ther objections and then WADA start convincing each.
One of the above post has the punative actions against players for being late.
Who suffers ?
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Re: India Cricket stars embroiled in WADA doping demand
« Reply #44 on: August 06, 2009, 03:49:12 PM »
ICC forms committee to resolve doping row

Cricinfo staff

August 6, 2009

 
The ICC has formed a committee to resolve the concerns of the Indian board regarding the controversial 'whereabouts' clause of the World Anti-Doping Agency's (WADA) code.

The International Registered Testing Pool (IRTP) working group will be chaired by Tim Kerr, chairman of ICC Anti-Doping panel, and also includes ICC chief executive Haroon Lorgat, BCCI secretary N Srinivasan, ICC principal advisor IS Bindra and former India captain Anil Kumble, who sits on WADA's Athlete Committee.

Eleven Indian players are in the ICC's drug testing pool, and they have raised concerns about the clause, which requires them to inform the ICC at the beginning of every quarter (three-month period) of the year, a location and time that they will be available for an hour each day in that quarter for testing. The BCCI and the players were worried about security risks involved in providing whereabouts information in advance and have also said that the clause is a violation of privacy statutes.

No dates have yet been set for a meeting of the IRTP panel, which was formed after the BCCI announced on Sunday that it would not require its players to file the 'whereabouts' information. WADA has been invited to send a representative to advice the panel.

Lorgat reiterated that the ICC and the Indian board were keen to resolve the impasse at the earliest. "I am pleased we have constituted this group as I believe it will help to resolve the practical concerns of India players," Lorgat said. "All of us - the ICC and its members including India - are committed to a zero-tolerance approach in the area of anti-doping."

The BCCI and the Indian board faced plenty of flak for their decision to not abide by the WADA code, including the country's sports minister. Cricketers from all other countries and India's top athletes have accepted the anti-doping regulations.

One of the BCCI's suggestions for solving the problem was to introduce a new cricket-specific code, and asking the ICC to walk out of the WADA umbrella.

http://www.cricinfo.com/ci-icc/content/current/story/418222.html
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Re: India Cricket stars embroiled in WADA doping demand
« Reply #45 on: August 06, 2009, 04:01:27 PM »
ICC group bids to end doping row
6 August 2009, 3:25 pm



ICC group bids to end doping row



The International Cricket Council has announced a working group in a bid to ease concerns from the Indian Cricket Board over anti-doping regulations.Ex-India captain Anil Kumble, who also serves on a World Anti-Doping Authority committee, will be part of the group.

India players objected to a Wada code requiring their whereabouts in advance for an hour a day, 365 days a year.

"We have to satisfy them on practical implementation of the new Wada rules on whereabouts," the ICC said.

The new panel will be called the International Registered Testing Pool working group, and will be chaired by ICC Anti-Doping Panel chairman Tim Kerr.

ICC chief executive Haroon Lorgat will also be part of the group, along with Kumble, BCCI Hon Secretary N Srinivasan and ICC Principal Advisor Inderjit Singh Bindra.

Lorgat said: "I am pleased we have constituted this group as I believe it will help to resolve the practical concerns of India players.

"Even if they don't agree they need to abide by the universal code in the larger interest of the game.

"We cannot reject the code. We have to implement it. All we need to do now is to properly explain to the BCCI the need to be WADA-compliant.

"We will work together and engage with WADA to resolve the concerns so India players can fully comply with their obligations under the ICC Anti-Doping code."

His sentiments were echoed by India board president Shashank Mansoor who said: "The BCCI is a willing partner in this process because the objectives of the ICC and BCCI are identical regarding cricket as a drug-free sport, and we will resolve the issues amicably."

Kumble, the cricket representative on WADA's athletes committee, said: "It's good to be part of the working group and to try and understand what the issues are and resolve them and move forward."



Source: BBC Sport | Cricket | World Edition

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Re: India Cricket stars embroiled in WADA doping demand
« Reply #46 on: August 06, 2009, 04:13:51 PM »
Security main concern for BCCI

Cricinfo staff

August 6, 2009

 
The Indian board has a zero-tolerance approach to doping and isn't against the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) but it wants some flexibility on the 'whereabouts' clause, a senior BCCI official has said. India's main reservation about the contentious clause is the security of its players, Ratnakar Shetty, the BCCI's chief administrative officer, said.

"There are two cricketers who absolutely cannot disclose their whereabouts," Shetty told Cricinfo. "There is a security concern with them, and they are under security cover so I don't think they can disclose their whereabouts on a daily basis."

Shetty did not specify the names of the two players but there have been reports of threats to the lives of Sachin Tendulkar and MS Dhoni, the Indian captain. Both these cricketers are among the 11 Indians on the ICC's testing pool and have raised concerns about the WADA's 'whereabouts' clause, which requires them to divulge information three months in advance about their location for an hour every day for the next quarter to facilitate out-of-competition random testing. The BCCI and the players have also said that the clause is a violation of privacy statutes.

"What they are asking is not for the moon, they are asking for just some flexibility in approach. Tendulkar is on record saying that we are available for tests every day, during the matches, during tour, during camps, we are not saying you don't test us," Shetty said. "We have made it very clear we are all for zero-tolerance, we want doping tests, and we are not opposed to that. All that we are saying is that there should be flexibility in the whereabouts clause. We are asking for a more practical and structured system, that's all. If they are playing for 9 months, 10 months a year, they are free to catch them any time, take them for the test. They can also do the test during match training camps and coaching camps. Even when they are not playing for the country, you can do the tests during Ranji matches."

Shetty said that the Indian players have voiced their opposition to the whereabouts clause right from the time they were briefed about it. "The first time was on the New Zealand trip when ICC came to educate the cricketers," he said. "At that time the players expressed reservations, and from then on the Indian board has consistently been telling ICC that our players have a problem."

Players from all other cricket-playing countries have agreed to WADA regulations despite expressing similar reservations. The Indian board and its players, meanwhile, have faced heavy criticism at home on their refusal to abide by the code. But Shetty wasn't concerned about the critics. "We don't want to get into that," he said. "We will take care of our own problems, why should we bother about others. They have got a right to criticise, so they can criticise. We have got a right to express our opinion and we'll express our opinion. The board secretary has written to the ICC about the problem."

http://www.cricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/418211.html
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Re: India Cricket stars embroiled in WADA doping demand
« Reply #47 on: August 06, 2009, 04:19:38 PM »
BCCI v the world

The Indian board's foot-dragging and muscle-flexing over the drug-testing issue is typical

Jayaditya Gupta

August 6, 2009

Every once in a while the Indian cricket board takes a break from its primary activity, turning the game and itself into even bigger brands, and indulges in its favourite secondary, physical, activities - jerking its knee and flexing its muscle. This atavistic trait doesn't show up only when there is a grand threat - perceived or otherwise - to its powers and position. It can happen when the BCCI is merely irritated. As in the latest case concerning the dope-testing protocol.

The issue is simple: With drug abuse becoming an increasing threat to sport, cricket - to be clean, and to be seen as clean - needs a dope-testing protocol. There is one currently used across the world, by almost every sporting body, devised and administered by the acknowledged nodal organisation. It is not flawless and it has its critics - as perhaps any protocol cutting such a wide swathe will - but it is the law. And the world's leading sportsmen follow it, even as some of them complain bitterly about it.

But not India's cricketers. And not India's cricket board.

The players reportedly raised concerns when informed about the requirements, during the tour of New Zealand earlier this year, and when the time came to sign the protocol refused to do so (for these players are nothing if not proud products of the board they represent). And so as the deadline came and went, and India's cricketers remained the only ones in the world not to have signed, the board went on the defensive. Which meant the offensive. And so the knee jerk and the muscle flex.

As an immediate reaction it offered a two-pronged argument against the players signing up. On the one hand, it wondered whether there really was any need for cricket to join a broad-spectrum testing protocol; instead, cricket should, the board said, fashion a customised set of rules taking into account the peculiarities of the game and focusing on testing during camps and series or tournaments instead of 24/7/365. On the other, it trotted out a set of specific reasons why their 11 players should not sign the current protocol, and even invoked the Constitution of India and its guarantee of privacy.

One would be tempted to dismiss this as nonsense but for the gravity of the situation. By mooting a doping code outside of WADA, the BCCI is effectively asking the ICC to take cricket out of the global sporting family and exist as a sort of renegade unit. It's not really a request, given that 70% of the money in world cricket comes from India. So it is not nonsensical but hugely irresponsible.

One can see where the board is coming from - cricket in India is not really a sport; it exists outside the framework that covers every other sport in the country. It does not need government funding; on the contrary, it is itself a donor to other sports - Wednesday's newspapers reported how India's football federation has sought a grant from the BCCI for an ambitious development project. The BCCI is larger than sport itself in this country and so believes that it can exist in precisely the same way in the global community. And so it might, too: the sport has a unique, captive fan base, while the IPL has opened up new avenues for bringing in finances - streets paved with gold.

Yet there is the obligation for the BCCI to act as the leader, to sometimes bend for the greater good, to acquire an identity higher than that of a purely commercial enterprise. Time and again, when it perceives a threat to its superiority, it has raised the stakes to an impossible level; the latest example was in Sydney in 2008 when it had an umpire replaced, and prepared to risk an entire series over one bad Test. It seems to be heading down the same road now, in the face of advice, suggestions, entreaties and the odd bit of ridicule from across the sporting spectrum.

The irony is that it has fairly simple solutions at hand. The problem is a simple one, of managing players' schedules. The BCCI can, without the slightest dent to its coffers, appoint a minion to coordinate the whereabouts of nine cricketers (one imagines the two women are really not a problem here) and send the necessary emails and text messages to the WADA officials concerned. It is a decision that takes a minute to approve and is a trifle to implement. Perhaps it is too easy.

If the board's actions sound irresponsible, the stand taken by the players is ludicrous. They, too, are leaders in their field, respected by their peers, and most importantly, are role models for millions of youth. They are not unlike other global stars like Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal, just two of sport's big names to sign on the dotted line. It is also disingenuous of Yuvraj Singh to claim that cricketers are a unique breed with a more itinerant lifestyle than other sportsmen. Actually, it is plain rubbish, as any tennis player or golfer, whose schedule depends on how far he progresses in each tournament, will tell you.

If cricket wants to be taken as a global sport and move beyond its identity as an extension of the Commonwealth, it needs to exist in the global family. It needs the validation and the vehicle of the Olympic movement and its offshoots to permeate uncharted territories. Twenty20 is a prime candidate for an Olympic sport, yet it will not make the breakthrough unless the ICC and IOC - and the BCCI - play ball.

Jayaditya Gupta is executive editor of Cricinfo in India

http://www.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/current/story/418220.html
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Re: India Cricket stars embroiled in WADA doping demand
« Reply #48 on: August 06, 2009, 07:06:55 PM »
BCCI v the world

The Indian board's foot-dragging and muscle-flexing over the drug-testing issue is typical

Jayaditya Gupta

If cricket wants to be taken as a global sport and move beyond its identity as an extension of the Commonwealth, it needs to exist in the global family. It needs the validation and the vehicle of the Olympic movement and its offshoots to permeate uncharted territories. Twenty20 is a prime candidate for an Olympic sport, yet it will not make the breakthrough unless the ICC and IOC - and the BCCI - play ball.

Isn't cricket already a global sport? Why does it need the validation of the Olympic movement?

Cricket should devise it's own dope testing mechanism and stick with it.



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Re: India Cricket stars embroiled in WADA doping demand
« Reply #49 on: August 08, 2009, 05:27:11 PM »
Australian Cricketers' Association backs BCCI's stand against WADA
ANI 8 August 2009, 02:06pm IST

MELBOURNE: Australia's cricketers applauded the BCCI's stance this week to remove themselves from the World Anti Drug Agency's strict anti-doping

code, and the Australian Cricketers' Association declared that it wanted an end to the controversial new code because it was too intrusive.

Under the code, athletes must declare to WADA three months in advance where they will be for an hour each day.

The ICC is a signatory to the WADA code and Australia's top cricketers have been subjected to whereabouts reporting since July.

Indian cricketers have rebelled against the new regime and persuaded the BCCI to withdraw from the code. The ICC sent representatives to India last week in an unsuccessful bid to prevent the powerful Indian body from breaking away.

Australian Cricketers' Association chief Paul Marsh said: "'Cricket Australia has been aware of our concerns for some time. The whereabouts provisions are less than satisfactory."

The protest from Indian layers has sparked hopes that cricket might go its own way. "The Indians are taking on WADA here and we are watching with interest," The Age quoted Marsh, as saying.

The ICC announced on Friday that it had formed a working group that would "'work to resolve the India players' concerns and report back to the ICC Board at the earliest opportunity."
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/top-stories/Australian-Cricketers-Association-backs-BCCIs-stand-against-WADA/articleshow/4871074.cms

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Re: India Cricket stars embroiled in WADA doping demand
« Reply #50 on: August 08, 2009, 05:28:12 PM »
Cricketers jeopardising Delhi CWG's sanctity: WADA Chief
PTI 8 August 2009, 08:21pm IST

MELBOURNE: In a scathing attack on the Indian Cricket Board for rejecting its anti-doping clause, WADA chief John Fahey said the decision could

jeopardise the sanctity of the Delhi Commonwealth Games next year.

"India has got the Commonwealth Games next year. What sort of a message are these cricketers giving to that country ahead of that event?" Fahey asked.

"We are keen to see India progress in anti-doping and to ensure that event (the Games) is well and truly controlled from a drug perspective," he was quoted as saying by 'The Age'.

Fahey said Indian cricketers' position on the WADA clause would jeopardise WADA's efforts to make sports free from doping.

"It's a tragedy to see a few wealthy individual cricketers decide that they are above clean sport and the rules that have to be applied to ensure that sport is clean. The International Cricket Council has to deal with them," said Fahey, who has served as a federal minister of Australia.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/top-stories/Cricketers-jeopardising-Delhi-CWGs-sanctity-WADA-Chief-/articleshow/4871873.cms

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Re: India Cricket stars embroiled in WADA doping demand
« Reply #51 on: August 09, 2009, 04:32:00 AM »
Cricketers jeopardising Delhi CWG's sanctity: WADA Chief
PTI 8 August 2009, 08:21pm IST

MELBOURNE: In a scathing attack on the Indian Cricket Board for rejecting its anti-doping clause, WADA chief John Fahey said the decision could

jeopardise the sanctity of the Delhi Commonwealth Games next year.

"India has got the Commonwealth Games next year. What sort of a message are these cricketers giving to that country ahead of that event?" Fahey asked.

"We are keen to see India progress in anti-doping and to ensure that event (the Games) is well and truly controlled from a drug perspective," he was quoted as saying by 'The Age'.

Fahey said Indian cricketers' position on the WADA clause would jeopardise WADA's efforts to make sports free from doping.

"It's a tragedy to see a few wealthy individual cricketers decide that they are above clean sport and the rules that have to be applied to ensure that sport is clean. The International Cricket Council has to deal with them," said Fahey, who has served as a federal minister of Australia.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/top-stories/Cricketers-jeopardising-Delhi-CWGs-sanctity-WADA-Chief-/articleshow/4871873.cms


WTH? Let the WADA try to get leverage with the NBA, NFL, or MLB before wagging its finger at cricket.
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Re: India Cricket stars embroiled in WADA doping demand
« Reply #52 on: August 09, 2009, 05:17:04 AM »
Cricketers jeopardising Delhi CWG's sanctity: WADA Chief
PTI 8 August 2009, 08:21pm IST

MELBOURNE: In a scathing attack on the Indian Cricket Board for rejecting its anti-doping clause, WADA chief John Fahey said the decision could

jeopardise the sanctity of the Delhi Commonwealth Games next year.

"India has got the Commonwealth Games next year. What sort of a message are these cricketers giving to that country ahead of that event?" Fahey asked.

"We are keen to see India progress in anti-doping and to ensure that event (the Games) is well and truly controlled from a drug perspective," he was quoted as saying by 'The Age'.

Fahey said Indian cricketers' position on the WADA clause would jeopardise WADA's efforts to make sports free from doping.

"It's a tragedy to see a few wealthy individual cricketers decide that they are above clean sport and the rules that have to be applied to ensure that sport is clean. The International Cricket Council has to deal with them," said Fahey, who has served as a federal minister of Australia.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/top-stories/Cricketers-jeopardising-Delhi-CWGs-sanctity-WADA-Chief-/articleshow/4871873.cms


WTH? Let the WADA try to get leverage with the NBA, NFL, or MLB before wagging its finger at cricket.


Notwithstanding the silly comments from WADA, MLB and NFL are the reasons why sport should be monitored by serious drug testing agencies--whether or not it is WADA is another debate. But the need is there. Would love to see how many MLB players can pass real tests carried out by a serious 3rd party.
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Re: India Cricket stars embroiled in WADA doping demand
« Reply #53 on: August 09, 2009, 05:34:19 AM »
from cricinfo:

The anti-doping clause that asks players for their whereabouts in advance
Results
Is inconvenient, but necessary  45.23% 9480
Is excessive and draconian  24.73% 5184
Should be amended to suit the players  30.04% 6296
Total votes:  20960
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Re: India Cricket stars embroiled in WADA doping demand
« Reply #54 on: August 09, 2009, 06:10:08 PM »
Cricketers jeopardising Delhi CWG's sanctity: WADA Chief
PTI 8 August 2009, 08:21pm IST

MELBOURNE: In a scathing attack on the Indian Cricket Board for rejecting its anti-doping clause, WADA chief John Fahey said the decision could jeopardise the sanctity of the Delhi Commonwealth Games next year.
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What is the correlation? And this guy is the chief of WADA ?
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