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[poondu]

Glamorgan will not select Jason Gillespie for Tuesday's Twenty20 Cup quarter-final clash against Durham due to fears of a Champions League ban.

The county are not willing to risk the ex-Australia seamer because of his Indian Cricket League connections.

If Glamorgan qualify for the Champions League in Dubai they could be banned as ICL players are outlawed.

Herschelle Gibbs was de-registered after the group games, so Glamorgan are set to be without an overseas star.

Glamorgan would qualify for the Champions League if they beat Durham and then overcome Middlesex in the semi-final at the Rose Bowl at the finals day on 26 July.

"If we beat Durham then we are at the finals day and only just one game away from the Champions League," said Glamorgan captain David Hemp.

"We just don't want to face the possibility of facing expulsion from such a high profile event if we are knowingly including an ineligible player.''

The England and Wales Cricket Board confirmed on Wednesday that the Chester-le-Street clash with Durham would be held on 22 July.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/counties/glamorgan/7509888.stm

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So the Modi bullying tactics works.

[poondu]

BCCI v ICL

BCCI bars its players from counties with ICL staff

Cricinfo staff

July 17, 2008

 
 
Piyush Chawla has been denied permission to sign up for Hampshire © Cricinfo Ltd
 
 
 


The BCCI has cranked up the pressure on English counties that have employed players linked with the unauthorised Indian Cricket League (ICL) by "advising" its own players to not sign up with such teams.

Niranjan Shah, BCCI secretary, told Cricinfo that its contracted players - including VVS Laxman, Piyush Chawla and Ajit Agarkar - who have signed or are in the process of signing with English counties this season are being "advised" to pull out if the county has ICL players on its rolls.

"We don't want our players in teams that have other players playing in unauthorised tournaments," Shah said.

Shah, however, clarified that "non-ICL" players from these county teams will be allowed to take part in the Indian Premier League (IPL) - Hampshire's Dimitri Mascarenhas had played for Rajasthan Royals in the tournament's first season. The decision does, though, put into doubt the participation of Indian players in the English Premier League, which was unveiled on Wednesday and will start in 2010.

Chawla was expected to sign up for Hampshire, Laxman was set to join Nottinghamshire in August, and Agarkar was reported to be in talks with Worcestershire.

A report on cricketnirvana.com said the BCCI first granted permission to Chawla to join Hampshire and then decided against it.

The ECB has allowed around 25 cricketers associated with ICL to represent 15 of its 18 counties after it faced legal action from the unauthorized league, which was backed by the country's strong trade laws that protects the rights of individuals. Only Middlesex, Somerset and Essex have teams without any ICL players.

© Cricinfo

[cricinfo]

I see the future , any media outlet reporting ICL events will be barred by BCCI to report IPL or any BCCI endorsed event.
Eventually BCCI will shift out of India because India has hosted and government didnt object any ICL tournament on indian soil

[OldPal]

Would be interesting to see, If ECB lets one of its player play ICL and selected in National team .
Next step : BCCI bans India vs England matches.
It is going oveboard now.
I mean what wrong have PC or VVS done that way, where all other world players can play in those counties.
It is only the BCCI contratced players do not have right to play in certain counties.
Now the issue has shifted from ICL players to BCCI players getting the restrictions  . Hope somebody knows where to pull the plug.

[dextrous]

Would be interesting to see, If ECB lets one of its player play ICL and selected in National team .
Next step : BCCI bans India vs England matches.
It is going oveboard now.
I mean what wrong have PC or VVS done that way, where all other world players can play in those counties.
It is only the BCCI contratced players do not have right to play in certain counties.
Now the issue has shifted from ICL players to BCCI players getting the restrictions  . Hope somebody knows where to pull the plug.

the untouchables!

[Libran]

New Delhi: It began as an internal matter. Then the BCCI and the ICL fight became an international issue.


Now, the Board of Control for Cricket in India seems adamant not to allow Indian players to play in English counties with ICL players in their line-up. In this battle for supremacy, it's the cricketers who are feeling the pinch.


Young spin talent Piyush Chawla could have made the most of his break from international cricket (he doesn't figure in India's Test side to Sri Lanka) by playing for English county side Hampshire this season. But the BCCI has barred him because they are still fighting with the Indian Cricket League. Hampshire have three players from the ICL.


BCCI seceratry Niranjan Shah confirmed to a cricket website, saying: "Piyush Chawla will not be going (to Hampshire) because there are a few ICL players in that team."


India's middle order mainstay VVS Laxman, who doesn't feature in India's One-day side, was slated to play for Northamptonshire county after the Sri Lanka Test series. But when the BCCI realised that even Northamptonshire has three ICL players, they asked Laxman to pull out.


The BCCI and the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) have been at loggerheads over this issue. While the BCCI has asked all Test-playing nations to ban ICL players, the English counties are in no mood to bow down to the BCCI's pressure. Staying true to their labour laws, the victims of course, are the cricketers.

http://www.cricketnext.com/news/bccis-diktat-skip-counties-with-icl-guys-around/32865-13.html

[OldPal]

I dont know where all this is heading to ?
Do we call it cold blooded murder of ICL ? Is BCCI always going to be diktat.
The money and power of BCCI continues to be on upswing, this does not sound inspiring form anti BCCI guys.

[WicketView]

I still don't understand why the BCCI has not been challenged on this. Is this not restricting trade/ putting pressure on livelihoods/ etc. And clearly, they have taken away someone like Shane Bond from test cricket ... that has to count as a loss for cricket.

[Cover Point]

I still don't understand why the BCCI has not been challenged on this. Is this not restricting trade/ putting pressure on livelihoods/ etc. And clearly, they have taken away someone like Shane Bond from test cricket ... that has to count as a loss for cricket.

I am surprised this has not been challenged in International courts (Indian courts suck)

[hastalavistababy]

India bars players from English counties


India's cricket chiefs on Friday barred two national stars from signing up with English counties because those sides included players aligned with a rebel Twenty20 league.

Veteran batsman Venkatsai Laxman and young leg-spinner Piyush Chawla were not allowed to play in English domestic cricket in a move seen as another attmept to crush the unauthorised Indian Cricket League (ICL).

Laxman was due to play for Nottinghamshire after India's upcoming Test series in Sri Lanka, while Chawla was called up by Hampshire to replace retired Australian great Shane Warne.

"Our boys will not play alongside ICL players," Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) spokesman Rajiv Shukla said.

"It is the board's policy not to have any dealings with the ICL or its players."

The BCCI, which holds its own Twenty20 league, does not recognise the ICL, bankrolled by India's largest listed media company, Zee Telefilms, and headed by former World Cup-winning captain Kapil Dev.

At least 15 of the 18 English counties field ICL players from across the world fearing restraint of trade action.

The ICL players with Nottinghamshire, where Laxman was due to play, are New Zealand all-rounders Andre Adams and Chris Cairns and England's discarded wicket-keeper Chris Read.

Hampshire also has three ICL cricketers in South Africa-born wicket-keeper Nic Pothas, former South African paceman Nantie Hayward and former Australian all-rounder Ian Harvey.

[gouravk]

the bcci is on its path to self destruction. it wont be long before this kind of policy backfires spectacularly and in the face.

[arjunah]

out with pawar i say.....in any case what will happen is cong goes down soon...pawar and his bcci cronies will not be able to do much with sonia backing anymore...the public should demand BCCI is run by paid professionals and not politicians...but why I am I dreaming??

[cricinfo]

out with pawar i say.....in any case what will happen is cong goes down soon...pawar and his bcci cronies will not be able to do much with sonia backing anymore...the public should demand BCCI is run by paid professionals and not politicians...but why I am I dreaming??

All this while I was supporting UPA on the nuke deal, never thought of this Pawar-BCCI-Sonia angle...., now i want UPA to get defeated on nuke deal....after all health of cricket comes much before the India's energy security 

[vijay]

out with pawar i say.....in any case what will happen is cong goes down soon...pawar and his bcci cronies will not be able to do much with sonia backing anymore...the public should demand BCCI is run by paid professionals and not politicians...but why I am I dreaming??

All this while I was supporting UPA on the nuke deal, never thought of this Pawar-BCCI-Sonia angle...., now i want UPA to get defeated on nuke deal....after all health of cricket comes much before the India's energy security 

Pawar, the principled guy that he is.. will simply defect to the other side.

[feverpitch]

after all health of cricket comes much before the India's energy security 

Does the health of India's energy security have to depend on uranium tech and sales from the US? Couldn't plutonium tech, in which India has abundant supplies and could possibly be a world leader, be the alternative to uranium which will run out in another 80-100 years or so anyway? Esp considering that even by 2050, by all predictions, only 10-15 % of Indias energy supply will be from nookelear, even with the deal!

Wouldn't Iranian gas a rock bottom rates be a better alternative?

[Cover Point]

after all health of cricket comes much before the India's energy security 

Does the health of India's energy security have to depend on uranium tech and sales from the US? Couldn't plutonium tech, in which India has abundant supplies and could possibly be a world leader, be the alternative to uranium which will run out in another 80-100 years or so anyway? Esp considering that even by 2050, by all predictions, only 10-15 % of Indias energy supply will be from nookelear, even with the deal!

Wouldn't Iranian gas a rock bottom rates be a better alternative?

but would the commies tell us why the deal is bad for Indians (other than it would make us close to US ... whats wrong with that ?). The reasons given by the commies and the Muslim vote bank parties is amazing. Living in India they think that Indian muslims care more about Iran than their own self. Can the commies explain that?

[vijay]

after all health of cricket comes much before the India's energy security 

Does the health of India's energy security have to depend on uranium tech and sales from the US? Couldn't plutonium tech, in which India has abundant supplies and could possibly be a world leader, be the alternative to uranium which will run out in another 80-100 years or so anyway? Esp considering that even by 2050, by all predictions, only 10-15 % of Indias energy supply will be from nookelear, even with the deal!

Wouldn't Iranian gas a rock bottom rates be a better alternative?

Theoretically, India could pursue both deals. It doesn't have to be an either/or question.  If the gas line is going thru Pak, a slight change in the political climate could make that source of supply dicey. So, the gas line option is not perfect either.

[prfsr]

but would the commies tell us why the deal is bad for Indians (other than it would make us close to US ... whats wrong with that ?).

Let us say kban is India and CP is the US. CP and kban wine and dine together frequently, and CP admires kban's bust.

If kban becomes too close to CP, then it would be very hard for him to protest/admonish (spank?) when CP whips out his online persona and starts his usual "wizardry".

How is that for an answer?

[WicketView]

the bcci is on its path to self destruction. it wont be long before this kind of policy backfires spectacularly and in the face.

I don't know when that self destruction (ie. the destruction of some of these fools would come), but they are destroying Indian cricket in so many ways.

[gouravk]

i think it is around the corner. preventing laxman chawla etal from participating in county cricket could be the last straw. fortunately the EPL has come about just at the right time. one would assume that the EP L will pose a serious challenge to the IPL. One could then hope for a situation where the ECB gets into a position from which it can fight the BCCI - they can easily say look you are not letting your players play in our championship, we will do likewise. now that the EPL is off and running guys like pietersen will not be so easily lured to the IPL just becoz of the money factor. He will get that in the EPL too.

what about other international stars ? particularly from australia and south africa ? if they are fie finding a viable alternative in the EPL there is no reason why they will stay loyal to the IPL.

[cricinfo]

i think it is around the corner. preventing laxman chawla etal from participating in county cricket could be the last straw. fortunately the EPL has come about just at the right time. one would assume that the EP L will pose a serious challenge to the IPL. One could then hope for a situation where the ECB gets into a position from which it can fight the BCCI - they can easily say look you are not letting your players play in our championship, we will do likewise. now that the EPL is off and running guys like pietersen will not be so easily lured to the IPL just becoz of the money factor. He will get that in the EPL too.

what about other international stars ? particularly from australia and south africa ? if they are fie finding a viable alternative in the EPL there is no reason why they will stay loyal to the IPL.

eventually it comes down to "Show Me The Money" . And I have not seen anything to suggest that anyone else can compete with IPL in terms of money, worst case scenario Modi will play his joker - remove salary cap.....all hell will break loose.
There might be some opposition from the likes of KKR on this...but Modi will not bother  because for every SRK there is a Anil Ambani waiting in the wings.

[feverpitch]

but would the commies tell us why the deal is bad for Indians (other than it would make us close to US ... whats wrong with that ?).

ask the commies

[Cover Point]

but would the commies tell us why the deal is bad for Indians (other than it would make us close to US ... whats wrong with that ?).

Let us say kban is India and CP is the US. CP and kban wine and dine together frequently, and CP admires kban's bust.

If kban becomes too close to CP, then it would be very hard for him to protest/admonish (spank?) when CP whips out his online persona and starts his usual "wizardry".

How is that for an answer?

Very good answer! But
1) Either Kban is principled

Or

2) he is selfish. If he is principled then

1) If he is principled then his close proximity to CP doesnt prevent him from admonishing CP even for being the nicest Netizen there ever was. If you see his postings he comes down hard on CP

2) If Kban is selfish then who the heck cares whether he can admonish CP or not. Let him take the riches from being close to CP and screw the protesting (or banning)

Still speaking in terms of India and US ofcourse in the above metaphor

[Cover Point]

but would the commies tell us why the deal is bad for Indians (other than it would make us close to US ... whats wrong with that ?).

ask the commies

I did ...

and the answer was?

[prfsr]

but would the commies tell us why the deal is bad for Indians (other than it would make us close to US ... whats wrong with that ?).

Let us say kban is India and CP is the US. CP and kban wine and dine together frequently, and CP admires kban's bust.

If kban becomes too close to CP, then it would be very hard for him to protest/admonish (spank?) when CP whips out his online persona and starts his usual "wizardry".

How is that for an answer?

Very good answer! But
1) Either Kban is principled

Or

2) he is selfish. If he is principled then

1) If he is principled then his close proximity to CP doesnt prevent him from admonishing CP even for being the nicest Netizen there ever was. If you see his postings he comes down hard on CP

2) If Kban is selfish then who the heck cares whether he can admonish CP or not. Let him take the riches from being close to CP and screw the protesting (or banning)

Still speaking in terms of India and US ofcourse in the above metaphor

But Sir, all principles go out the door when you become bedfellows! That is the question here really - can the less powerful partner hold on to her principles when she is in bed with a powerful guy?

PS: Sorry the CP-kban analogy breaks down here --
(a) there is no she here
(b) I donot think kban is less powerful.

[Cover Point]

but would the commies tell us why the deal is bad for Indians (other than it would make us close to US ... whats wrong with that ?).

Let us say kban is India and CP is the US. CP and kban wine and dine together frequently, and CP admires kban's bust.

If kban becomes too close to CP, then it would be very hard for him to protest/admonish (spank?) when CP whips out his online persona and starts his usual "wizardry".

How is that for an answer?

Very good answer! But
1) Either Kban is principled

Or

2) he is selfish. If he is principled then

1) If he is principled then his close proximity to CP doesnt prevent him from admonishing CP even for being the nicest Netizen there ever was. If you see his postings he comes down hard on CP

2) If Kban is selfish then who the heck cares whether he can admonish CP or not. Let him take the riches from being close to CP and screw the protesting (or banning)

Still speaking in terms of India and US ofcourse in the above metaphor

But Sir, all principles go out the door when you become bedfellows! That is the question here really - can the less powerful partner hold on to her principles when she is in bed with a powerful guy?

PS: Sorry the CP-kban analogy breaks down here --
(a) there is no she here
(b) I donot think kban is less powerful.

So are we sticking to principles or are we looking at overall what is good for India (selfish interests). If it is principles why only during the nook issue. Why did we not refuse to do business with the US IT companies and stick to the old socialist closed economy? Why were the reforms done (that have brought in significant wealth into the country)?

[prfsr]

but would the commies tell us why the deal is bad for Indians (other than it would make us close to US ... whats wrong with that ?).

Let us say kban is India and CP is the US. CP and kban wine and dine together frequently, and CP admires kban's bust.

If kban becomes too close to CP, then it would be very hard for him to protest/admonish (spank?) when CP whips out his online persona and starts his usual "wizardry".

How is that for an answer?

Very good answer! But
1) Either Kban is principled

Or

2) he is selfish. If he is principled then

1) If he is principled then his close proximity to CP doesnt prevent him from admonishing CP even for being the nicest Netizen there ever was. If you see his postings he comes down hard on CP

2) If Kban is selfish then who the heck cares whether he can admonish CP or not. Let him take the riches from being close to CP and screw the protesting (or banning)

Still speaking in terms of India and US ofcourse in the above metaphor

But Sir, all principles go out the door when you become bedfellows! That is the question here really - can the less powerful partner hold on to her principles when she is in bed with a powerful guy?

PS: Sorry the CP-kban analogy breaks down here --
(a) there is no she here
(b) I donot think kban is less powerful.

So are we sticking to principles or are we looking at overall what is good for India (selfish interests). If it is principles why only during the nook issue. Why did we not refuse to do business with the US IT companies and stick to the old socialist closed economy? Why were the reforms done (that have brought in significant wealth into the country)?

I am not necessarily airing my views here - just presenting the other side.

There are serious differences. IT companies not the same as US govt. Reservation was needed for the first x years. Just like one does not play poker with pros in Vegas after learning the basics. Only when you are ready to play with the big boys, you invite them to play with you. Similarly the reasons used to oppose the deal may be invalid 25 years down the line.

Look we are all gazing into a crystal ball here. Predictions and apprehensions will vary. Some will surely be wrong. Nevertheless I am not sure it is an open-and-shut case. I am not informed enough, but my view is that people in India extrapolate the current influx too optimistically the same way I believed in 1996 that the tech boom would last 20 years at least and B2B companies would make oodles of money. I think the lack of basic standards of living would bite India big time. My friends there do not think so. Many of my friends are very wealthy and believe trickle down economics works.

PS: there are no principles involved -- there never are. It is about saving the butt of deshmata.

[poondu]

So how come legend is allowed to play in County cricket ? Since Durham are in the finals is he going to play in the champions league ?


Twenty20 Cup - 2nd semi final
Durham v Middlesex   2008 season


Played at The Rose Bowl, Southampton, on 26 July 2008 (20-over match)

Result Middlesex won by 8 wickets (with 26 balls remaining)
 


         
 Durham innings (20 overs maximum) R M B 4s 6s SR
 MJ Di Venuto c Kartik b Murtagh 0 2 3 0 0 0.00
 P Mustard c Godleman b Murtagh 15 16 8 2 1 187.50
 PD Collingwood c Godleman b Udal 35 35 31 6 0 112.90
 S Chanderpaul c Joyce b Murtagh 48 52 47 5 0 102.12
 WR Smith b Henderson 21 25 20 2 0 105.00
 SM Pollock b Henderson 15 5 9 1 1 166.66
 LE Plunkett not out 2 2 2 0 0 100.00
     Extras (w 2) 2     
       
     Total (6 wickets; 20 overs) 138 (6.90 runs per over)


Did not bat DM Benkenstein, GR Breese, PJ Wiseman, SJ Harmison 


Fall of wickets1-0 (Di Venuto), 2-34 (Mustard), 3-68 (Collingwood), 4-117 (Smith), 5-123 (Chanderpaul), 6-138 (Pollock)


       
  Bowling O M R W Econ 
  TJ Murtagh 4 0 29 3 7.25 
  DP Nannes 3 0 37 0 12.33 (2w)
  T Henderson 4 0 31 2 7.75 
  SD Udal 4 0 18 1 4.50 
  M Kartik 4 0 18 0 4.50 
  DJ Malan 1 0 5 0 5.00 


         
 Middlesex innings (target: 139 runs from 20 overs) R M B 4s 6s SR
 BA Godleman lbw b Breese 20 36 21 2 0 95.23
 EC Joyce st Mustard b Wiseman 41 38 37 5 0 110.81
 OA Shah not out 13 25 15 2 0 86.66
 T Henderson not out 59 22 21 2 7 280.95
     Extras (lb 4, w 4) 8     
       
     Total (2 wickets; 15.4 overs) 141 (9.00 runs per over)


Did not bat DJ Malan, EJG Morgan, BJM Scott, SD Udal, TJ Murtagh, M Kartik, DP Nannes 


Fall of wickets1-65 (Godleman), 2-65 (Joyce)


       
  Bowling O M R W Econ 
  LE Plunkett 4 0 29 0 7.25 (2w)
  SM Pollock 3 0 16 0 5.33 
  SJ Harmison 3.4 0 47 0 12.81 
  GR Breese 2 0 14 1 7.00 
  PJ Wiseman 3 0 31 1 10.33 (1w)


 

[justforkix]

Middlesex is one of 2-3 counties that do not contract any ICL players.....

[feverpitch]

but would the commies tell us why the deal is bad for Indians (other than it would make us close to US ... whats wrong with that ?).

ask the commies

I did ...

and the answer was?

We know you are daft... no need to beat your own drum!

[Cover Point]

but would the commies tell us why the deal is bad for Indians (other than it would make us close to US ... whats wrong with that ?).

ask the commies

I did ...

and the answer was?

We know you are daft... no need to beat your own drum!

'We' ? Do the commies talk in plurals only?

By the way are the commies allowed to eat ice cream?

[feverpitch]

but would the commies tell us why the deal is bad for Indians (other than it would make us close to US ... whats wrong with that ?).

ask the commies

I did ...

and the answer was?

We know you are daft... no need to beat your own drum!

'We' ?

As in, the DG members, your Daftness!

Do the commies talk in plurals only?

Ask the commies, again.

By the way are the commies allowed to eat ice cream?

ditto.

[Cover Point]

but would the commies tell us why the deal is bad for Indians (other than it would make us close to US ... whats wrong with that ?).

ask the commies

I did ...

and the answer was?

We know you are daft... no need to beat your own drum!

'We' ?

As in, the DG members, your Daftness!

Why are you calling all the DGians commies? Thats uncalled for. Some of them are quite sane I can tell you!

Do the commies talk in plurals only?

Ask the commies, again.

I did (we can keep at it all day)

By the way are the commies allowed to eat ice cream?

ditto.

ditto!