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[prfsr]

Aajkaal (Bengali daily) reports a BCCI source saying that Sehwag was taken by Dravid at the insistence of a cola company. The writer is also a columnist for Outlook and is a reliable old hand.
I do not have time to translate today, but perhaps someone else can.

Another "interesting" detail, it also says that when Veeru was dropped from the playing XI by Vengsarkar and Chappell etc, Dravid asked Tendulkar to talk to the coach and GC reluctantly agreed.

Let the smites begin.
-P

[cricinfo]

what is secret in it ...everyone knows RPD doesnt have b*****....if he had why didnt he openly tell board about unsporting team behaviour of SG/SRT when he had the golden chance and board was ready to listen to him !!!

[Cernunnos]

Aajkaal (Bengali daily) reports a BCCI source saying that Sehwag was taken by Dravid at the insistence of a cola company. The writer is also a columnist for Outlook and is a reliable old hand.
I do not have time to translate today, but perhaps someone else can.

Another "interesting" detail, it also says that when Veeru was dropped from the playing XI by Vengsarkar and Chappell etc, Dravid asked Tendulkar to talk to the coach and GC reluctantly agreed.

Let the smites begin.
-P

Don't want to make a comment on whether this is right or wrong. However I thought the following might be of interest.
Sehwag was a long time loyal Coca-Cola guy, to the extent that he served Pepsi notices for using his likeness in an ad in 2005.
Late last year, when Sehwag was in the middle of his nightmare form, he switched to Pepsi.

Rahul Dravid endorses Pepsi.

[atticus]

So, were SRT and GC talking or not? It would be great if all the secret sources get together and get their stories aligned. One secret source says that SRT and GC did not talk at all for the last few months, another secret source says that all ideas by SRT were rejected by GC and RD and that's why he was sulking and now the 3rd secret source is saying that not only SRT talked to GC but also convinced him to play VS. Also, I thought RD was the conduit between the coach and other seniors. Now, it looks like RD talks to SRT and asks him to convince the coach. Maybe SRT was the real conduit and it was RD who was the sulking senior?

Meanwhile, the first incident (taking VS because of the same sponsor) certainly seems plausible. But, there seems to be something amiss in the scenario. BCCI says that player-agent nexus is a big problem and blame some seniors for the same. They appoint RD as captain unilaterally without any consultation with the selection commitee. But they also say that RD is that senior with the player-agent nexus. I'm sure the "reliable, old-hand" reporter asked the same question to the BCCI secret source and got a satisfactory answer and in the next report will come out with how RD blackmailed BCCI into siding with him even though BCCI wants to eradicate the Player-agent nexus issue.

[fancric]

After reading all this I sms'd Ekta Kapoor ... we are looking for an appropriate title ... any suggestions?   

[pipsqueak]

So, were SRT and GC talking or not? It would be great if all the secret sources get together and get their stories aligned. One secret source says that SRT and GC did not talk at all for the last few months, another secret source says that all ideas by SRT were rejected by GC and RD and that's why he was sulking and now the 3rd secret source is saying that not only SRT talked to GC but also convinced him to play VS. Also, I thought RD was the conduit between the coach and other seniors. Now, it looks like RD talks to SRT and asks him to convince the coach. Maybe SRT was the real conduit and it was RD who was the sulking senior?

Meanwhile, the first incident (taking VS because of the same sponsor) certainly seems plausible. But, there seems to be something amiss in the scenario. BCCI says that player-agent nexus is a big problem and blame some seniors for the same. They appoint RD as captain unilaterally without any consultation with the selection commitee. But they also say that RD is that senior with the player-agent nexus. I'm sure the "reliable, old-hand" reporter asked the same question to the BCCI secret source and got a satisfactory answer and in the next report will come out with how RD blackmailed BCCI into siding with him even though BCCI wants to eradicate the Player-agent nexus issue.

your latter conundrum can be explained easily and logically. BCCI tells RD that if he becomes their puppet, he will be given protection, made the captain and his indiscretions overlooked. but as always, there is a "leak" from one disgruntled party. since when has BCCI been one united entity? so it is ALSO a plausible scenario. of course, it may not be the real scenario but aren't we all speculating and arguing over speculations?

[atticus]

So, were SRT and GC talking or not? It would be great if all the secret sources get together and get their stories aligned. One secret source says that SRT and GC did not talk at all for the last few months, another secret source says that all ideas by SRT were rejected by GC and RD and that's why he was sulking and now the 3rd secret source is saying that not only SRT talked to GC but also convinced him to play VS. Also, I thought RD was the conduit between the coach and other seniors. Now, it looks like RD talks to SRT and asks him to convince the coach. Maybe SRT was the real conduit and it was RD who was the sulking senior?

Meanwhile, the first incident (taking VS because of the same sponsor) certainly seems plausible. But, there seems to be something amiss in the scenario. BCCI says that player-agent nexus is a big problem and blame some seniors for the same. They appoint RD as captain unilaterally without any consultation with the selection commitee. But they also say that RD is that senior with the player-agent nexus. I'm sure the "reliable, old-hand" reporter asked the same question to the BCCI secret source and got a satisfactory answer and in the next report will come out with how RD blackmailed BCCI into siding with him even though BCCI wants to eradicate the Player-agent nexus issue.

your latter conundrum can be explained easily and logically. BCCI tells RD that if he becomes their puppet, he will be given protection, made the captain and his indiscretions overlooked. but as always, there is a "leak" from one disgruntled party. since when has BCCI been one united entity? so it is ALSO a plausible scenario. of course, it may not be the real scenario but aren't we all speculating and arguing over speculations?

I did say the scenario is Plausible in the first sentence, didn't I? And speaking of logic, if BCCI needs a puppet as captain, who better than Kaif? He is not even in the team now. Captaincy will guarantee the place in the team and BCCI can take all credit for making positive change after the WC debacle. Retaining RD will not give that added positive image. So I will still go with RD blackmailing BCCI to keep his captaincy. I'm sure someone will leak the blackmailing secret. I can't wait to read it.

[prfsr]

I have said this before -- the whole sponsorship issue is a red herring, just to deflect the attention from the fact that the BCCI is cutting wages, greatly affecting the lesser players and having little to no effect on the megastars.

Of course if the sponsorship rules can be pushed through BCCI takes over some more deals and generates more money.

-P

[prfsr]

Very simple Atticus. Classical Uniion breaking in fact, (re)-employ the leader in a management position and get rid of the supporters. Getting rid of RD could plausibly result in uniting SG-SRT-RD.

-P

[atticus]

Very simple Atticus. Classical Uniion breaking in fact, (re)-employ the leader in a management position and get rid of the supporters. Getting rid of RD could plausibly result in uniting SG-SRT-RD.

-P

Good point.

[ruchir]

Aajkaal (Bengali daily) reports a BCCI source saying that Sehwag was taken by Dravid at the insistence of a cola company. The writer is also a columnist for Outlook and is a reliable old hand.
I do not have time to translate today, but perhaps someone else can.

Another "interesting" detail, it also says that when Veeru was dropped from the playing XI by Vengsarkar and Chappell etc, Dravid asked Tendulkar to talk to the coach and GC reluctantly agreed.

Let the smites begin.
-P

PRFSR --

So, NOW do you believe that my anger over seniors being influenced by sponsoring companies is justified?

And don't think for one second that seniors will remain untouched, and only juniors will bear the burn of it.

Many seniors are having their contracts ending this year or early next year. Let us see that when they are not in the team, how many contracts they get, and how much money they lose; when they get dumped from the team.


http://worldcup.indiatimes.com/BCCI_plans_to_dump_six_senior_players/articleshow/1881437.cms

Read above article. BCCI is planning to drop SRT, SG, VS, ZK, HS, AA from the Bangladehs tour. And quite rightly so.

Then read this article:

http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=160588

Many companies are suffering losses because of cricketer Ads. Who knows? Maybe the companies might break the contract in the middle, pay the breaking penalty and get over these losers.

The thing is that you can not wish the fact away that player may have certain clauses in their contracts that may be very injurious to indian cricket. From all the reports coming from all over the country, it looks like there is some truth in it. If they are true, these players need to be dropped ASAP.

[prfsr]

Aajkaal (Bengali daily) reports a BCCI source saying that Sehwag was taken by Dravid at the insistence of a cola company. The writer is also a columnist for Outlook and is a reliable old hand.
I do not have time to translate today, but perhaps someone else can.

Another "interesting" detail, it also says that when Veeru was dropped from the playing XI by Vengsarkar and Chappell etc, Dravid asked Tendulkar to talk to the coach and GC reluctantly agreed.

Let the smites begin.
-P

PRFSR --

So, NOW do you believe that my anger over seniors being influenced by sponsoring companies is justified?

And don't think for one second that seniors will remain untouched, and only juniors will bear the burn of it.

Many seniors are having their contracts ending this year or early next year. Let us see that when they are not in the team, how many contracts they get, and how much money they lose; when they get dumped from the team.


http://worldcup.indiatimes.com/BCCI_plans_to_dump_six_senior_players/articleshow/1881437.cms

Read above article. BCCI is planning to drop SRT, SG, VS, ZK, HS, AA from the Bangladehs tour. And quite rightly so.

Then read this article:

http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=160588

Many companies are suffering losses because of cricketer Ads. Who knows? Maybe the companies might break the contract in the middle, pay the breaking penalty and get over these losers.

The thing is that you can not wish the fact away that player may have certain clauses in their contracts that may be very injurious to indian cricket. From all the reports coming from all over the country, it looks like there is some truth in it. If they are true, these players need to be dropped ASAP.

Ruchir,
I honestly do not know if *any* of this is true, and I have described my reasoning -- which can be summarized as all these leaks are from one source.

The seniors really do not lose that much. Do you know how much SG's businesses are worth? His family business and his father-in-law's business bring is tens of crores of profit each year. Compare that to a Munaf Patel or a Wasim Jaffer. And if you think SRT would lose all his endorsements tomorrow, think again.

About contracts, who knows? Is there any *legal* way of forcing players to produce contracts? Why is the BCCI so scared of naming names? Do you really believe that they are concerned about people burning effigies? If you are, there is a bridge in Howrah that I would like to sell to you.

When the all-powerful body claims to have proof and does not produce it, something stinks.

-P

[prfsr]

And Ruchir, I look forward to hearing you asking for RD to be dropped with SRT.

-P

[pipsqueak]

I did say the scenario is Plausible in the first sentence, didn't I? And speaking of logic, if BCCI needs a puppet as captain, who better than Kaif? He is not even in the team now. Captaincy will guarantee the place in the team and BCCI can take all credit for making positive change after the WC debacle. Retaining RD will not give that added positive image. So I will still go with RD blackmailing BCCI to keep his captaincy. I'm sure someone will leak the blackmailing secret. I can't wait to read it.

your post seemed to indicate that you viewed the nexus a possible scenario but weren't clear why the BCCI was rewarding RD. BCCI may have no hold on kaif and so he isn't a possible candidate.

anyway, more i think about this blackmail angle, i feel that it could be a certain possibility. not by RD, but by GC and that may be why he got a "reward". with all his friends in the press, am sure, he could have easily threatened the BCCI with a few below-the-belt, under-arm deliveries. things are getting curiouser and curiouser. "but hey!" 

[Prafulla]

If RD favoured VS for Pepsi pressure, then RD must also be sacked from team. BCCI must have all the information and if so - then, they should have also be tough with RD.

[fineleg]

I did say the scenario is Plausible in the first sentence, didn't I? And speaking of logic, if BCCI needs a puppet as captain, who better than Kaif? He is not even in the team now. Captaincy will guarantee the place in the team and BCCI can take all credit for making positive change after the WC debacle. Retaining RD will not give that added positive image. So I will still go with RD blackmailing BCCI to keep his captaincy. I'm sure someone will leak the blackmailing secret. I can't wait to read it.

your post seemed to indicate that you viewed the nexus a possible scenario but weren't clear why the BCCI was rewarding RD. BCCI may have no hold on kaif and so he isn't a possible candidate.

anyway, more i think about this blackmail angle, i feel that it could be a certain possibility. not by RD, but by GC and that may be why he got a "reward". with all his friends in the press, am sure, he could have easily threatened the BCCI with a few below-the-belt, under-arm deliveries. things are getting curiouser and curiouser. "but hey!"  

Mock,
PP's been influencing you?

[ruchir]

Ruchir,
I honestly do not know if *any* of this is true, and I have described my reasoning -- which can be summarized as all these leaks are from one source.

Which single source is that?  I'm sure it's not GC. He can't have this detailed knowledge of player contracts.

The seniors really do not lose that much. Do you know how much SG's businesses are worth? His family business and his father-in-law's business bring is tens of crores of profit each year. Compare that to a Munaf Patel or a Wasim Jaffer. And if you think SRT would lose all his endorsements tomorrow, think again.

Do you think that SG is a kind of person who likes to live off his father's money? I don't. If it was true, why would he be working his ass off to be in Indian cricket team? Earlier, and now? No self-respecting man like to live off his parent's money. SG wants to earn his own money.

But that's beside the point. The point is not how much rich the seniors are. SG and SRT are not the only seniors. You have RD, VS, ZK, HS too. They are not as rich as SRT or SG. But that's not the point.

The whole point is that there is a loud voice, that says that players have certain clauses in their contracts that hurt the team's cause, that force them to play selfishly. The whole issue is about these clauses. Money comes into play only because players earn money through these injurious clauses.

Another thing is that if you limit the sponsorships of players, these clauses lose their meaning and don't remain as injurious as they are now.

Again, to me the most important issue is the clauses. Money earned via these clauses is secondary.

About contracts, who knows? Is there any *legal* way of forcing players to produce contracts? Why is the BCCI so scared of naming names? Do you really believe that they are concerned about people burning effigies? If you are, there is a bridge in Howrah that I would like to sell to you.

When the all-powerful body claims to have proof and does not produce it, something stinks.

Currently, I don't think players have an active contract with BCCI. Maybe they do. But hopefully it will be expiring soon. When they sign the new contract with BCCI, it can enforce the conflict of interest clause. It can show that the Advertising contracts players sign have a conflict of interest with their contract with BCCI. So players will have to furnish the details of what they are signing (without financial details).

It is a culture in India to be secretive about everything. Take any walk of life. Take Govt. It is completely opaque. Take sports. Even, take indivisual households. No one likes to disclose anything they are doing. BCCI also operates in India. My opinion is that any business entity, govt. etc. should be completly transparent in its working. But that doesn't happen. So BCCI may not be concerned about effigies, but don't expect to be completly transparent when dealing with scandals/issues. You can WANT that they are open, but you can expect them to be the opposite.

And yes, I would be interested in buying Howrah Bridge, if you can get it for free.

And Ruchir, I look forward to hearing you asking for RD to be dropped with SRT.

I just read it. And I completely abhor it. It is as much injurious to our cause as anything else. Yes, RD needs to be the 7th guy, to be dropped with the other 6 losers. It actually makes sense now. Why was RD supporting VS inspite of being in horrible form? Earlier I thought RD was a fool. Now I see he is quite cunning. We should also see if HS promotes Pepsi or not.

[TheWall]

prfsr/att/mock et al...
no conspiracy theories for me - BCCI simply wants RD and not the rest cos he's the only one with some fuel still in the tank 
As far as they can see, they can make do without the oldies and get rid of the useless bhajji and duck while they can. ZK has some use still, but I guess he allows BCCI to hide their strategy. seriously, the oldies are reaching such a stage where you maybe losing a good years cricket at the most from them.

[Prafulla]

If RD is also party to this agant/player nexus - then he should also be facing disciplinary action. Why any exception.
I feel that BCCI must have gathered all facts and must have definite reasons to act tough.

[keep-it-cool]

After reading all this I sms'd Ekta Kapoor ... we are looking for an appropriate title ... any suggestions?   

*kahani source ki
*kaun banega agla source
*ksource
*kksoourceeee

[CLR James]

After reading all this I sms'd Ekta Kapoor ... we are looking for an appropriate title ... any suggestions?   

*kahani source ki
*kaun banega agla source
*ksource
*kksoourceeee

In my humble opinion, the best Ekta Kapoor title would be:

Saurce-o ki Saga

[abhinav]

Any 'source' is a reliable source as long as he speaks my language. Period.

[keep-it-cool]

After reading all this I sms'd Ekta Kapoor ... we are looking for an appropriate title ... any suggestions?   

*kahani source ki
*kaun banega agla source
*ksource
*kksoourceeee

In my humble opinion, the best Ekta Kapoor title would be:

Saurce-o ki Saga

This will not even be shortlisted ... now if you make it Ksaurce-o kki Ssaga, you'll hit the jackpot

[CLR James]

Ok, 'K' eh? This sounds like a cooking show:

Kasuri ki Sourav aor Saga Sourco-o ki

And besides did she not produce Saans bhi kabhi Bahu thi? So why should all her titles begin with K? I thought that was Raakesh Roshan's area.

[feverpitch]

Ok, 'K' eh? This sounds like a cooking show:

Kasuri ki Sourav aor Saga Sourco-o ki

And besides did she not produce Saans bhi kabhi Bahu thi? So why should all her titles begin with K? I thought that was Raakesh Roshan's area.

kyonki... ... ....

saas bhi kabhi bahu thi

has before it a

kyonki ... ... ...

[keep-it-cool]

Ok, 'K' eh? This sounds like a cooking show:

Kasuri ki Sourav aor Saga Sourco-o ki

And besides did she not produce Saans bhi kabhi Bahu thi? So why should all her titles begin with K? I thought that was Raakesh Roshan's area.

Kyunki Saas bhi kabhi bahu thi ...

Rakesh Roshan started it. Ekta Kapoor followed ... so did Karan Johar ... (KKHH, K3G, KHNH, Kaal, KANK)

[CLR James]

Kasor Kshama karna..

[keep-it-cool]

Kasor Kshama karna..

Khafa Kahan hain Koi? Ke Kshama Karen?

Knowledge Ke Khatir Koi Kahan Kisiko Kuchch Kehta Hai?

[CLR James]

Kasor Kshama karna..

Khafa Kahan hain Koi? Ke Kshama Karen?

Knowledge Ke Khatir Koi Kahan Kisiko Kuchch Kehta Hai?

Knotty boy!