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[Total Members Voted:]

Yes from tests only

3 (6.5%)

Yes from ODIs only

3 (6.5%)

Yes from Both

21 (45.7%)

Not at all

19 (41.3%)

Total Members Voted: 42

Voting closed: March 26, 2007, 10:04:20 PM

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[LosingNow]

similar to RD/SRT retirement polls

[Zacked]

he is back to the form he was in when he was dropped....

[toney]

I think he should retire from tests only. He is still a good ODI player but I think we can nurture a couple of test players who can then go on to make the adjustment in ODIs, probably a year or two from now.

[CLR James]

Toney,

Perhaps retiring from ODIs is a better idea. SG, if anything, showed that he can bat with a steady head and pile up the scores, but without the explosive powers that he once had. The team needs transition; he can be in the test team for another couple of years and help India ease into it.

[feverpitch]

he is back to the form he was in when he was dropped....

Based on what?

[toney]

Toney,

Perhaps retiring from ODIs is a better idea. SG, if anything, showed that he can bat with a steady head and pile up the scores, but without the explosive powers that he once had. The team needs transition; he can be in the test team for another couple of years and help India ease into it.

CLR,
I see your point and thought about it too. But this is my reasoning:
I am hoping that there are at least one or two players in FC cricket (I have a few in mind) who have been taking care of their batting technique, hopeful of putting in consistent performances to grab the attention of the selectors. In many ways, I think it is more difficult for these players to show instant results in ODIs where the pressure is much more and there is a certain adjustment in terms of the better quality of internatinal bowlers. I am not saying that tests dont come with any pressure but in some ways, these new guys can take their own time and let themselves settle rather than having to sacrifice their careers for the team.
The selectors are perhaps (unfortunately) as fickle as the rest of us and a couple of low scores in ODIs often mean that the players dont get their fair share of tests too.

SG has always been a better ODI player than test player. While I agree that he seemed very calm and capable of scoring runs in the SA series, which may mean that he will do well in the tests in future, I think we have a strong base of better players (RD, SRT, VVS). But, strange as it may sound, we don't have a lot of options in ODI cricket and perhaps need SG to shepherd one or two newcomers there. SG hasn't been at his most fluent self this WC but part of it has been due to helpful bowling conditions (vs Ban and Ber) and then a high pressure match like this SL one. So, I am still prepared to give him a longer leash in ODIs where he is probably the 2nd best batsman India has ever produced.

I completely agree that it can be argued both ways. In some ways, I feel like dumping all these guys in oceans of their choice and then drowning myself in my state's speciality - toddy from coconut/palm.

[fineleg]

he is back to the form he was in when he was dropped....

Based on what?

how abt, err...becos he is playing the exact same way?

[Prafulla]

Toney,

Perhaps retiring from ODIs is a better idea. SG, if anything, showed that he can bat with a steady head and pile up the scores, but without the explosive powers that he once had. The team needs transition; he can be in the test team for another couple of years and help India ease into it.

CLR,
I see your point and thought about it too. But this is my reasoning:
I am hoping that there are at least one or two players in FC cricket (I have a few in mind) who have been taking care of their batting technique, hopeful of putting in consistent performances to grab the attention of the selectors. In many ways, I think it is more difficult for these players to show instant results in ODIs where the pressure is much more and there is a certain adjustment in terms of the better quality of internatinal bowlers. I am not saying that tests dont come with any pressure but in some ways, these new guys can take their own time and let themselves settle rather than having to sacrifice their careers for the team.
The selectors are perhaps (unfortunately) as fickle as the rest of us and a couple of low scores in ODIs often mean that the players dont get their fair share of tests too.

SG has always been a better ODI player than test player. While I agree that he seemed very calm and capable of scoring runs in the SA series, which may mean that he will do well in the tests in future, I think we have a strong base of better players (RD, SRT, VVS). But, strange as it may sound, we don't have a lot of options in ODI cricket and perhaps need SG to shepherd one or two newcomers there. SG hasn't been at his most fluent self this WC but part of it has been due to helpful bowling conditions (vs Ban and Ber) and then a high pressure match like this SL one. So, I am still prepared to give him a longer leash in ODIs where he is probably the 2nd best batsman India has ever produced.

I completely agree that it can be argued both ways. In some ways, I feel like dumping all these guys in oceans of their choice and then drowning myself in my state's speciality - toddy from coconut/palm.

If retirement of SG / RD / ST can ensure happy state of affairs for indian team - then fine. but will it really help and why should any individual player retire - just because team lost. Retirement will be saddist end. I do not feel that any of the players are bad players or have bad form. They had more than one bad day in the tournament and it happens to all of us also. Let us just improve the system and replacement for the sake of emotional anguish is not the way forward in life.

[bouncer]

Toney,

Perhaps retiring from ODIs is a better idea. SG, if anything, showed that he can bat with a steady head and pile up the scores, but without the explosive powers that he once had. The team needs transition; he can be in the test team for another couple of years and help India ease into it.

CLR,
I see your point and thought about it too. But this is my reasoning:
I am hoping that there are at least one or two players in FC cricket (I have a few in mind) who have been taking care of their batting technique, hopeful of putting in consistent performances to grab the attention of the selectors. In many ways, I think it is more difficult for these players to show instant results in ODIs where the pressure is much more and there is a certain adjustment in terms of the better quality of internatinal bowlers. I am not saying that tests dont come with any pressure but in some ways, these new guys can take their own time and let themselves settle rather than having to sacrifice their careers for the team.
The selectors are perhaps (unfortunately) as fickle as the rest of us and a couple of low scores in ODIs often mean that the players dont get their fair share of tests too.

SG has always been a better ODI player than test player. While I agree that he seemed very calm and capable of scoring runs in the SA series, which may mean that he will do well in the tests in future, I think we have a strong base of better players (RD, SRT, VVS). But, strange as it may sound, we don't have a lot of options in ODI cricket and perhaps need SG to shepherd one or two newcomers there. SG hasn't been at his most fluent self this WC but part of it has been due to helpful bowling conditions (vs Ban and Ber) and then a high pressure match like this SL one. So, I am still prepared to give him a longer leash in ODIs where he is probably the 2nd best batsman India has ever produced.

I completely agree that it can be argued both ways. In some ways, I feel like dumping all these guys in oceans of their choice and then drowning myself in my state's speciality - toddy from coconut/palm.

If retirement of SG / RD / ST can ensure happy state of affairs for indian team - then fine. but will it really help and why should any individual player retire - just because team lost. Retirement will be saddist end. I do not feel that any of the players are bad players or have bad form. They had more than one bad day in the tournament and it happens to all of us also. Let us just improve the system and replacement for the sake of emotional anguish is not the way forward in life.

Right. If they deserve a spot in the 11, they should keep playing. Otherwise, it will be India's loss...

[vijay]

Given the amount of cricket we play, shouldn't we really have the equivalent of two teams? Roughly, the senior guys play tests, and a newer bunch play ODIs. I think it would be good for everybody. The SG/RD/SRTs of the world will have recovery time between games, and their careers might be  more productive. The younger guys get more exposure to international games via the ODI grind.