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Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« on: March 23, 2007, 12:00:59 AM »
 Manner of death revealed

Woolmer died of strangulation

Cricinfo staff

March 22, 2007

The death of Bob Woolmer is now being treated as a murder case. During a press conference in Jamaica it was revealed that he did of asphyxiation by manual strangulation. Post mortem results show that Woolmer was strangled.

"We have a lot of line of inquiry but there are no suspects," said Mark Shields, Jamaica's deputy commissioner of police who is now heading the police investigation. He addressed the press conference along with Malcolm Speed and Chris Dehring, Managing Director and Chief Executive Officer of Windies World Cup 2007.


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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2007, 12:03:01 AM »
Thanks Zacked....I'll remove the thread I started.
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2007, 12:05:07 AM »
Are they going to keep all of the Pak team + support staff + dignitaries in WI until the investigations are complete ?
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2007, 12:05:46 AM »
Oh man.....where is this going?
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2007, 12:06:58 AM »
live news ( press confrence )
http://news.sky.com/skynews/livenewsevents#
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2007, 12:08:46 AM »
Very Interesting.

Woolmer was found with vomit and blood around him. He was found unconscious. He died at the hospital. He died of strangulation.

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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2007, 12:10:45 AM »
Thanks a lot Zacked.. watching it.
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2007, 12:14:38 AM »
I think to me for all practical purposes this world cup is fixed.  Any sane person would cater to that.  I do not know how all these losers can play fully knowing that a man who gave it all to a bunch of religious fanatics had his life taken for nothing.  One of their own made a sacrificial lamb for nothing and the cup continues.  Man what a shame.  As long as the players, the bookies and the sponsers and the rats in the ICC make their millions they are happy.  After all is this not what it is all about.  Business.  Not a game, anymore.
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2007, 12:19:33 AM »
I think to me for all practical purposes this world cup is fixed.  Any sane person would cater to that.  I do not know how all these losers can play fully knowing that a man who gave it all to a bunch of religious fanatics had his life taken for nothing.  One of their own made a sacrificial lamb for nothing and the cup continues.  Man what a shame.  As long as the players, the bookies and the sponsers and the rats in the ICC make their millions they are happy.  After all is this not what it is all about.  Business.  Not a game, anymore.
and we fans are thier customers who they r taking for a ride....
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2007, 12:23:11 AM »
This is really very disturbing... I wonder if ICC will make any statement? I will not be surprised if this is all traced back to an Indian Betting Cartel... :-\
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2007, 12:25:17 AM »
ICC (Speed) only made the statement that the World Cup will go on... there are some interesting matches lined up and we will help Jamaica police on thier investugation
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2007, 12:27:43 AM »
Very Interesting.

Woolmer was found with vomit and blood around him. He was found unconscious. He died at the hospital. He died of strangulation.

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He died at hospital or was he DOA. Did they confirm this in the news conference?
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2007, 12:32:59 AM »
Very Interesting.

Woolmer was found with vomit and blood around him. He was found unconscious. He died at the hospital. He died of strangulation.

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He died at hospital or was he DOA. Did they confirm this in the news conference?

This was not confirmed at the news conference today. It was reported earlier though and I have not seen any report contradicting it or a correction anywhere.
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2007, 12:36:48 AM »
Police spokesman Karl Angell said: "The pathologist's report states that Mr Woolmer's death was due to asphyxiation as a result of manual strangulation. In these circumstances, the matter of Mr Woolmer's death is now being treated by the Jamaica police as a case of murder."

Paul Condon, the former Commissioner of the London Metropolitan Police who conducted a report into match-fixing and corruption in 2001, will assist in the investigations.

"We have a lot of lines of inquiry but there are no suspects," said Mark Shields, Jamaica's deputy commissioner of police who is now heading the police investigation. He addressed the press conference along with Malcolm Speed and Chris Dehring, Managing Director and Chief Executive Officer of Windies World Cup 2007.

Speed confirmed that the World Cup will continue. Dehring said: "We have reviewed the security arrangements in place and we feel that are adequate."
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2007, 12:43:55 AM »
if woolmer or some other coach was murdered in an asian country ... dont u think they would have made a huge security issue out of it. They would have cancelled all future matches and would have declared us unsafe for foreign players.....is the safety issue being brought up in this case
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2007, 12:45:42 AM »
if woolmer or some other coach was murdered in an asian country ... dont u think they would have made a huge security issue out of it. They would have cancelled all future matches and would have declared us unsafe for foreign players.....is the safety issue being brought up in this case

I would think so.
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2007, 12:47:12 AM »
So he wasnt alive when they took him to the hospitol? I mean a thing like that would be hard to miss for the paramedics when they took him to the hospitol, dont you think?
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2007, 12:53:13 AM »
So he wasnt alive when they took him to the hospitol? I mean a thing like that would be hard to miss for the paramedics when they took him to the hospitol, dont you think?
Actually no one clearly ever said he was alive either.  The first report said he was in his room unconscious.  It was all hazy from the get go, as is the case sorrounding all mystery deaths usually resolved to cold blooded murders.  That is exactly what this is.
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2007, 12:53:23 AM »
So he wasnt alive when they took him to the hospitol? I mean a thing like that would be hard to miss for the paramedics when they took him to the hospitol, dont you think?

I am really confused...the implication is that he was manually strangled and Woolmer passed out. He was then found unconscious and taken to the hospital where he died. There is something or more than one thing missing here.
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2007, 12:54:32 AM »
So he wasnt alive when they took him to the hospitol? I mean a thing like that would be hard to miss for the paramedics when they took him to the hospitol, dont you think?
Actually no one clearly ever said he was alive either.  The first report said he was in his room unconscious.  It was all hazy from the get go, as is the case sorrounding all mystery deaths usually resolved to cold blooded murders.  That is exactly what this is.

If he was unconscious then they must have determined that he had a pulse.
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2007, 12:56:40 AM »
if woolmer or some other coach was murdered in an asian country ... dont u think they would have made a huge security issue out of it. They would have cancelled all future matches and would have declared us unsafe for foreign players.....is the safety issue being brought up in this case
EXCELLENT OBSERVATION!!!

Hypocrisy rules at the ICC...and they claim to be not racists.
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2007, 01:00:48 AM »
So he wasnt alive when they took him to the hospitol? I mean a thing like that would be hard to miss for the paramedics when they took him to the hospitol, dont you think?
Actually no one clearly ever said he was alive either.  The first report said he was in his room unconscious.  It was all hazy from the get go, as is the case sorrounding all mystery deaths usually resolved to cold blooded murders.  That is exactly what this is.

If he was unconscious then they must have determined that he had a pulse.
Nothing was ever clear.  Unless you read something that said he was alive for so and so hours.  Even if he was alive, he probably slipped into a coma as was revealed later that he never gained consiousness before declaring him dead.  So even if were having a pulse he was barely alive till his body gave up totally.
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2007, 01:05:53 AM »
So he wasnt alive when they took him to the hospitol? I mean a thing like that would be hard to miss for the paramedics when they took him to the hospitol, dont you think?
Actually no one clearly ever said he was alive either.  The first report said he was in his room unconscious.  It was all hazy from the get go, as is the case sorrounding all mystery deaths usually resolved to cold blooded murders.  That is exactly what this is.

If he was unconscious then they must have determined that he had a pulse.
Nothing was ever clear.  Unless you read something that said he was alive for so and so hours.  Even if he was alive, he probably slipped into a coma as was revealed later that he never gained consiousness before declaring him dead.  So even if were having a pulse he was barely alive till his body gave up totally.

Hmm...I guess. I don't know much about asphyxiation but it sounds fishy.
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2007, 01:07:03 AM »
if woolmer or some other coach was murdered in an asian country ... dont u think they would have made a huge security issue out of it. They would have cancelled all future matches and would have declared us unsafe for foreign players.....is the safety issue being brought up in this case
EXCELLENT OBSERVATION!!!

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I totally disagree to that.  Even if it is in a asian country the stakes for all the rats involved is so high that they will suck it up and take the money.  No way the cup would have been cancelled.
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2007, 01:08:24 AM »
Total Confusion ..
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The Gleaner has also been reliably informed that Woolmer was found unconscious in his room just after 8:00 a.m. Sunday morning and not at 10:45 a.m. as Pakistan's media manager P.J. Mir said on Sunday.

However Eldon Bremner, the hotel's general manager, has said the 8:00 a.m. suggestion is "grossly inaccurate" and added that he would not comment further as it was a police matter.
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http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20070322/lead/lead1.html
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2007, 01:08:43 AM »
if woolmer or some other coach was murdered in an asian country ... dont u think they would have made a huge security issue out of it. They would have cancelled all future matches and would have declared us unsafe for foreign players.....is the safety issue being brought up in this case
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I totally disagree to that.  Even if it is in a asian country the stakes for all the rats involved is so high that they will suck it up and take the money.  No way the cup would have been cancelled.

Probably true. But I am sure some of the teams would have made a fuss. England probably would have been the first team to bail out.
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #26 on: March 23, 2007, 01:12:00 AM »
and another report:
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Woolmer was found lying face down in the bathroom of his hotel room by a housekeeper. There was vomit, blood and bodily waste in the bathroom. The woman reportedly tried to get in the bathroom, but was blocked by Woolmer's body. The hotels medical team was called in and he was taken to the University Hospital of the West Indies (UHWI) where he was pronounced dead.

The woman has since been sent on leave by hotel management.

He died about 12:15 pm on Sunday, hours after his team crashed out of the Cricket World Cup, following a massive upset to minnows Ireland.

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http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/html/20070321T230000-0500_120721_OBS_WOOLMER_STRANGLED__.asp
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #27 on: March 23, 2007, 01:41:17 AM »
With high security for the players, someone got in, strangled him (but did not kill him on the spot - he dies in hospital several hours later), and escaped all unnoticed. Post strangulation he threw up all over the place, and he had a bowel movement. No further details about the 'unstated medical condition'. His wife does not suspect foul play.

I know the police are ruling it a homicide and the examiner is saying asphyxiation. I still maintain suicide. Details will emerge that a Paki player and he had a shouting match that evening. A few more weeks and this will become the consensus opinion, just as SA wins the World Cup.
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #28 on: March 23, 2007, 01:53:22 AM »
Police chief 'knows more'

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JAMAICAN police boss Mark Shields is known as a man of understatement in his dangerous home city, one who does not light fires for the sake of it.
He knew the instant he walked into a press conference late last night and announced there was a suspicion Bob Woolmer may have been murdered he was destroying his home city's World Cup.

He was detonating cricket's version of an atom bomb and sentencing match events to small print.

Suddenly nothing else mattered in the tournament.

Locals say for Shields to go that far he must know much more than he is telling us.

He and his men were vividly aware of the consequences of such a remark.

Jamaican officials have been on edge for years over the safety of the city during Cup time, particularly as they were hosting the home team who are staying at the same hotel at which Woolmer died.

They were aware that you can build a new stadium - which they have - recruit 1000 volunteers, relay your wicket block and lay on the best hotel service in the Caribbean.

But one act of violence in a city famed for it always had the potential to undermine everything.

And now, it appears, its happened though the list of potential suspects is not simply confined to dangerous men of the street.

Players will be interviewed as well.

There are many puzzling key questions including ... was it true that the team had a major argument soon after returning from their loss to Ireland?

Who or what was responsible for the marks on Woolmer's throat? Why was the vomit in his room splashed in usually high places on the wall? Why was there blood on the floor? Why was there no sign of a break-in in Woolmer's room if there was an intruder? Did he know the person?

All sorts of rumors have swept the Caribbean.

One website brazenly said traces of poison were found in Woolmer's room.

Former Pakistan's fast bowler Sarfraz Nawaz, the loosest of loose cannons, has claimed betting syndicates could be to blame but if they were it seemed a quick strike.

The only thing not in dispute is that the atmposphere at the Pegasus Hotel has become desperately sombre.

Even the West Indies, who should be in a euphoric state after starting the tournament with two wins, are subdued.

##Obvious it is quite sombre,## said West Indies assistant coach David Moore from Kingston last night.

##The coaching staff of our side and Pakistan's get along really well so we feel for them and would occasionally have dinner together. Bob was very popular and well liked by our coaching staff.##

Trouble never seems far away the the Pegasus.

Australia has some great memories of the celebrations there following its win in the Frank Worrell Trophy series in 1995.

But it has the feel of a fortress because players are told not to leave it and walk the dangerous streets of Kingston.

In 1995 one Australian journalist broke the rules and went for jog and nodded at two men sitting on a corner.

For no particular reason he looked back at them as he jogged past and just had time to duck his head out of the path of a block of cement aimed at his head.



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« Reply #29 on: March 23, 2007, 01:55:20 AM »
KINGSTON, Jamaica (Reuters) - Pakistan cricket coach Bob Woolmer broke a bone in his throat while vomiting, Sky Television reported on Thursday.

They reported that Woolmer, 58, suffered the injury after falling against a toilet bowl. The report was unsourced.

Woolmer died on Sunday after being discovered unconscious in his hotel bedroom less than 24 hours after Pakistan had suffered a shock World Cup exit at the hands of debutants Ireland.

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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #30 on: March 23, 2007, 02:16:13 AM »
I think to me for all practical purposes this world cup is fixed.  Any sane person would cater to that.


Really? So India's loss to Bangladesh was all pre determined? Considering Ganguly played the most balls and was very slow in his innings against Bangladesh, he should be the prime culprit, right?

I think if at all, in the absolutely worst case scenario, some Pakistani players could have been up to no good, given their coach died a day after a very unexpected loss. But I don't believe this is likely either. Every large tournament has some surprises in store - from FIFA World Cups to cricket world cups. India's win in 1983 was far far more unexpected than this Bangladesh victory that many of us were leery of for good reason. Do you remember Roger Milla and Cameroon in 1990? Pakistan were playing horribly and such a loss though unexpected is no real shock (just as India's loss too cannot be an intellectual shock).

I'd rather we all shout 'fixed' if India wins the World Cup  ;D
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #31 on: March 23, 2007, 02:34:25 AM »
I think to me for all practical purposes this world cup is fixed.  Any sane person would cater to that.


Really? So India's loss to Bangladesh was all pre determined? Considering Ganguly played the most balls and was very slow in his innings against Bangladesh, he should be the prime culprit, right?

I think if at all, in the absolutely worst case scenario, some Pakistani players could have been up to no good, given their coach died a day after a very unexpected loss. But I don't believe this is likely either. Every large tournament has some surprises in store - from FIFA World Cups to cricket world cups. India's win in 1983 was far far more unexpected than this Bangladesh victory that many of us were leery of for good reason. Do you remember Roger Milla and Cameroon in 1990? Pakistan were playing horribly and such a loss though unexpected is no real shock (just as India's loss too cannot be an intellectual shock).

I'd rather we all shout 'fixed' if India wins the World Cup  ;D
What is your point??????So for you Woolmer's life is not enough to believe it.  If this is true a cold blooded murder then could it be something else here that someone is settling a personal score from a previous grudge nothing to do with cricket.  That would be hard for me to believe.  I think at some level these matches are for sure fixed IMO.  A Pak. coach killed after a defeat to a minnow and finished off immeditately there after.  What else could it be, if not match fixing or some kind of an illegal activity to do with Cricket????? Hard for me to get convinced at this point given all the bad history Pak. cricket has and always being in thick of Match fixing controversy.
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #32 on: March 23, 2007, 02:40:21 AM »
I think to me for all practical purposes this world cup is fixed.  Any sane person would cater to that.


Really? So India's loss to Bangladesh was all pre determined? Considering Ganguly played the most balls and was very slow in his innings against Bangladesh, he should be the prime culprit, right?

I think if at all, in the absolutely worst case scenario, some Pakistani players could have been up to no good, given their coach died a day after a very unexpected loss. But I don't believe this is likely either. Every large tournament has some surprises in store - from FIFA World Cups to cricket world cups. India's win in 1983 was far far more unexpected than this Bangladesh victory that many of us were leery of for good reason. Do you remember Roger Milla and Cameroon in 1990? Pakistan were playing horribly and such a loss though unexpected is no real shock (just as India's loss too cannot be an intellectual shock).

I'd rather we all shout 'fixed' if India wins the World Cup  ;D
What is your point??????So for you Woolmer's life is not enough to believe it.  If this is true a cold blooded murder then could it be something else here that someone is settling a personal score from a previous grudge nothing to do with cricket.  That would be hard for me to believe.  I think at some level these matches are for sure fixed IMO.  A Pak. coach killed after a defeat to a minnow and finished off immeditately there after.  What else could it be, if not match fixing or some kind of an illegal activity to do with Cricket????? Hard for me to get convinced at this point given all the bad history Pak. cricket has and always being in thick of Match fixing controversy.

My point? I thought it is readily apparent. You are jumping to conclusions. Of course we all have opinions Rams, but to say "any sane person would cater to this WC being fixed" is totally wrong. If you care, take a poll on this DG. The result may prove that this DG is full of lunatics, and there I truly will not argue with you!
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #33 on: March 23, 2007, 03:03:50 AM »
I think to me for all practical purposes this world cup is fixed.  Any sane person would cater to that.


Really? So India's loss to Bangladesh was all pre determined? Considering Ganguly played the most balls and was very slow in his innings against Bangladesh, he should be the prime culprit, right?

I think if at all, in the absolutely worst case scenario, some Pakistani players could have been up to no good, given their coach died a day after a very unexpected loss. But I don't believe this is likely either. Every large tournament has some surprises in store - from FIFA World Cups to cricket world cups. India's win in 1983 was far far more unexpected than this Bangladesh victory that many of us were leery of for good reason. Do you remember Roger Milla and Cameroon in 1990? Pakistan were playing horribly and such a loss though unexpected is no real shock (just as India's loss too cannot be an intellectual shock).

I'd rather we all shout 'fixed' if India wins the World Cup  ;D
What is your point??????So for you Woolmer's life is not enough to believe it.  If this is true a cold blooded murder then could it be something else here that someone is settling a personal score from a previous grudge nothing to do with cricket.  That would be hard for me to believe.  I think at some level these matches are for sure fixed IMO.  A Pak. coach killed after a defeat to a minnow and finished off immeditately there after.  What else could it be, if not match fixing or some kind of an illegal activity to do with Cricket????? Hard for me to get convinced at this point given all the bad history Pak. cricket has and always being in thick of Match fixing controversy.

My point? I thought it is readily apparent. You are jumping to conclusions. Of course we all have opinions Rams, but to say "any sane person would cater to this WC being fixed" is totally wrong. If you care, take a poll on this DG. The result may prove that this DG is full of lunatics, and there I truly will not argue with you!
Actually there is nothing for me to jump to conclusions.  The proof is in the pudding.  Even today there are a lot of people shouting from roof tops that this game is far from being clean.  Ofcourse no one pays attention to them.

I think you are making too much of one statement. 

It does not matter what the DG poll says.  Any hard core fan want's to live in denial.  That includes me as well to a point.  That does not make wrong a right.

The fact of the matter is here is a game which is very popular in the part of the world where for most part things are not regulated.  It has been the hub of illegal activities in the name of match fixing ever since the mid nineties where with ever growing globalisation a lot of money has to be made via sponsorships and what not.  In a way the game has outgrown the system that control's it.

Now the disturbing trend is the tentacles of this beast has spread in such a vicious manner that people's lifes are taken in the name of the game which it hardly is.  A game.  Woolmer death proves it.  If someone wants to believe that this world cup is fixed then there are within their rights to do so without sounding ridiculous.
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #34 on: March 23, 2007, 03:35:08 AM »
Tempting however much it is to think it is related to match fixing, at this point it would be jumping to conclusions.
There are several other possibilities. What if it was a crime committed in the heat of the moment, say in the midst of an argument, by someone who knew the coach very well (after all there were no signs of a struggle or breaking and entering).

The point is we don't know yet. The evidence for what I speculate is as much as there is for the match-fixing hypothesis.
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #35 on: March 23, 2007, 03:59:45 AM »
Actually there is nothing for me to jump to conclusions.  The proof is in the pudding.  Even today there are a lot of people shouting from roof tops that this game is far from being clean.  Ofcourse no one pays attention to them.


Of course you are entitled to your opinion. I am just debating how you are proceeding from A to D without B and C being established.

Yesterday you mentioned that when you visited India, for a stretch of 5 overs, some guy on the phone where you were watching the game accurately predicted a sluggish score rate and you concluded that therefore everything was fixed. Then in the same para you said he lost a lot of money which indicates that like any other prediction activity you win some and lose some. Yet you took only the correct assessments to build your case for clear evidence of match fixing.

Rams, you may recollect that about 6 months ago, I read an investigative report of the CBI on match fixing and Azhar and quit this DG in disgust for a few months. I wonder if you have read that report (http://www.yehhaicricket.com/CBI/cbi_report/match_fixing_report.html). Going through it word by word drives me nuts even now. While I lambast the BCCI for shoving this under the carpet and not ensuring that anything positive came out as a result, I cannot believe that this World Cup has been tarnished by match fixing. This is not an emotional decision at all. I can fully tolerate India losing in this WC and feel there is even some justice in it given the lack of real new talent and the bankrupt strategy. Even in the event that Woolmer was killed by some bookies, can someone directly tie it to Pakistan's matches being fixed in this WC? And even if they really were fixed, heck Pakistan is out of the loop, so the crud is gone.

The Sri Lankan team is in roaring form, NZ are batting very well, Australia are threatening to resume their steamrolling way, SA is playing great. India are still an overhyped average team at the moment. Concluding this WC is fixed is trivializing the fantastic spunk and talent displayed by these better teams.

Finally you mention that people are shouting from the rooftops that the game is far from clean but no one listens. I would love an enumeration of just who in the know how currently claim that. Sarfraz Nawaz, but he is a certified cheat with a reputation for overstatement that is worse than Bedi's. Who are the others?

There was a rumor yesterday that Woolmer's tell-all book to be released got him killed. Now his wife says she has the manuscript and will release it and there is nothing sinister in there.

Anyways, we seem to have completely divergent opinions on this -- please don't take anything I said personally. If I was over the top in some words I used, my apologies.
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #36 on: March 23, 2007, 04:08:53 AM »
I am fairly sure that no foreign coach (including GC after tomorrow) would take up coaching in the goofy, over-the-top environment associated with Pakistan and India teams. All it takes is one loony (among the billion people) to go nuts at the wrong time - I guarantee you that Cuttack incident is continuously replaying in GC's head - and your life is gone.

A risk not worth taking.

Thanks in advance Mr. Chappell for trying, irrespective of the hiccups and results. Time to move on for your health and safety.
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #37 on: March 23, 2007, 04:20:08 AM »
Woolmer's widow not ruling out murder

Results of second post-mortem due later today

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Thursday March 22, 2007
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Pakistan team manager Talat Ali and captain Inzamam-ul-Haq during a gathering at the team hotel in Kingston, Jamaica, to pay tribute to late coach Bob Woolmer
Pakistan team manager Talat Ali and Inzamam-ul-Haq during a gathering at the team hotel in Kingston to pay tribute to Woolmer.
 

The widow of Pakistan cricket coach Bob Woolmer has not ruled out the possibility that he was murdered. Police revealed on Tuesday that they were treating the former England batsman's death as "suspicious" but stopped short of saying that he had been murdered.

Woolmer, 58, was found unconscious by staff at the Pegasus Hotel in Kingston on Sunday morning, the day after Pakistan's shock defeat to Ireland, and taken to hospital where he later died. Detectives on the island were waiting today for a pathologist's report on the death amid claims that he was murdered by "match-fixing mafia". Police have not commented on reports of marks on his neck or traces of poison in the room. Last night Pakistan beat Zimbabwe by 93 runs, dedicating their victory to Woolmer.

The former Pakistan fast bowler Sarfraz Nawaz claimed yesterday that Woolmer had been murdered to stop him blowing the whistle on match-fixing. "Woolmer's death has some connection with the match-fixing mafia," he said. "I've been saying this for the last four days that Woolmer's death is not natural, but it's a murder."

Asked about the claims that her husband was murdered, Gill Woolmer said: "I suppose there is always the possibility: I mean some of the cricketing fraternity are extremely volatile and passionate about the game and what happens in the game, and also a lot of it in Asia, so I suppose there is always the possibility that it could be that. It fills me with horror. I just can't believe that people could behave like that or that anyone would want to harm someone who has done such a great service to international cricket." When asked about the police's use of the word 'suspicious', she replied: "I don't really know. It does suggest that there might be foul play, but they obviously don't want to jump to conclusions and want to make sure that they're able to make the right decision after they have completed the tests.

"The latest that we heard last night was that the police are obviously going on with their investigation and they had a second pathologist coming in to give their second opinion and they are hoping that the results will be available today."

She said Woolmer had been very down after the Irish defeat but categorically ruled out suicide. "He was very depressed and he sent me an email to that effect but then he always got depressed and down when the boys didn't do as he expected and hoped they could and he knew what sort of state they were in. He knew they could perform and just got very down about it but that was normal ... he was a very competitive person. But there is no way that suicide was involved: he would never, ever."


Hmmmm. I seem to think I know more than Woolmer's wife.
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #38 on: March 23, 2007, 04:40:16 AM »
I am fairly sure that no foreign coach (including GC after tomorrow) would take up coaching in the goofy, over-the-top environment associated with Pakistan and India teams. All it takes is one loony (among the billion people) to go nuts at the wrong time - I guarantee you that Cuttack incident is continuously replaying in GC's head - and your life is gone.

A risk not worth taking.

Thanks in advance Mr. Chappell for trying, irrespective of the hiccups and results. Time to move on for your health and safety.

I would rather that India is not spoken on the same lines as Pakistan...Not denying that some of our erstwhile players have been linked to match-fixing, but we as a nation know where to draw a line....

Please do refrain by linking up India to this...the matches should go on...as and when the culprits are found, we will hopefully know the truth...till then I would go by the premise that the fixed matches are over and done with and from now on...it is clean cricket that will be played
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Re: Breaking News - Woolmer died of strangulation (Confirmed)
« Reply #39 on: March 23, 2007, 04:46:42 AM »
Few TV reports indicating arrest of a suspect, whose phone book has tel nos of many Sri lankan and Indian team members. and Police is reported to have hinted that, in past 5 days, the said suspect - has been in touch with Pakistani, Indian and Sri lankan players. It is on the verge of exposure of a big scam !!!
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