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Re: Poll: 5 greatest ODI players (offshoot from Pietersan's thread) ever
« Reply #40 on: March 06, 2007, 03:07:35 PM »
I had the privilege of watching or following the game of One day Cricket since it inception or thereabouts.  Primarily I would say in 1975 is where it took off.   I was a mere 6 1/2 years when in the first WC a young man by name Isaac Vivian Alexander Richards 23 at the time created havoc and reaped headlines for his stellar performance.  He just scored 5 runs in the final to his captain Clive Lloyd's 102 a match winning hundred.  So what is the Buzz all about.  OH well rumor has it and was later confirmed that his brilliant fielding turned the game on its head when Aussies were on target got both Chappell brothers and Turner with his youthful exuberance in the covers.  I was too young in 1975 to comprehend all that but was told by elders to me and bullied into accepting this Richards guy is the best.  But seriously we knew at the time a phenomenon called King Richards has arrived to grace this game in the lines of Ranjit Singhji, Sir Donald Bradman, Sir Jack Hobbs and Sir Garfield Sobers.  A cricketer par excellence whose very presence in a game sends an air of anticipation and excitement like no other.   There is more to Richards than just stats which will measure up to any modern great in any form of the game.  But it all about the timing, spontaneity and deliver on the big stage with all the nonchalance and ease.  The 1979 WC final century again in a winning cause shows the man's ability to pick just the right moment to shine and showoff and tell the world who the best is.
Since those days this game of ODI cricket has seen some remarkable cricketers to date both with the bat and the ball and also the likes of Richards, Dean Jones, Derek Randall, our own Mohammed Azharuddin and the best of them all Jhonty Rhodes on the field a forgotten area so vital to success in big games.  It will be very tough to pick 5 among plethora of greats athletes.
 
Hence I have decided to make a list of batsman and bowlers in the pecking order I would pick.  Here they are.
 
Batting in order of preference
 
1) Viv Richards
2) Mike Bevan
3) Adam  Gilchrist
4) Aravinda De Silva
5) Sachin Tendulkar
6) Sanath Jayasuriya
7) Ricky Ponting
8) Brain Lara
9) Sourav Ganguly
10) Mark Waugh
11) Desmond Haynes
12) Javed Miandad
13) Inzaman UL Haq
14) Gordon Greenidge
15) Md. Azharuddin
16) Dean Jones
 
Bowlers in order of preference
 
1) Goel Garner
2) Muttiah Muralitharan
3) Wasim Akram
4) Curtly Ambrsose
5) Richard Hadlee
6) Dennis Lillee
7) Malcolm Marshall
8) Glenn McGrath
9) Shaun Pollock
10) Shane Warne
11) Allan Donald
12) Michael Holding
13) Waqar Younis
14) Chaminda Vaas
15) Daniel Vettori
 
Allrounders in order of preference
1) Kapil Dev
2) Imran Khan
3) Steve Waugh
3) Ian Botham
5) Jhonty Rhodes
 
So if you pick the top 2 for bowlers and bastman and 1 allrounder if that is the norm for top 5 ODI's here, then that is my top 5.

Applause Rams!
In the first WC.....it was Greenidge and the late Roy Fredericks, who opened for WI. And they both were equally explosive. I am sure the Australians won't forget Fredericks in a hurry. I have seen them both in action during their 1973 visit with Lloyd's team in India.
One more batsman I would like to add is Lawrence Rowe, my personal favorite and a huge success in the Packer series. He was very stylish and aggressive, just like Richards. According to fellow Jamaican Michael Holding, Rowe would have been one of the greatest batsmen in the world had he lived up to his talent and early reputation.
Hey Hey Blwe....How come the applause count is still the same...... :D :D :D

Seriously you are right.  It is tough to make a sensible list.  You are bound to miss someone or the other.  Fredricks a little earlier player than a Greenidge or a Haynes is awesome.  So is Rowe your favorite a stylist.  Kallicharan, the most graceful of left handers even better than a Sobers or a Kanhai or a Gower when it comes to grace.  There is no end to the breed of WI's batsman that played in the 60's and 70's akin to the Brazilian Soccer teams of the 50's.  All we can do is cherish those memories.
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Re: Poll: 5 greatest ODI players (offshoot from Pietersan's thread) ever
« Reply #41 on: March 07, 2007, 07:49:45 AM »
I had the privilege of watching or following the game of One day Cricket since it inception or thereabouts.  Primarily I would say in 1975 is where it took off.   I was a mere 6 1/2 years when in the first WC a young man by name Isaac Vivian Alexander Richards 23 at the time created havoc and reaped headlines for his stellar performance.  He just scored 5 runs in the final to his captain Clive Lloyd's 102 a match winning hundred.  So what is the Buzz all about.  OH well rumor has it and was later confirmed that his brilliant fielding turned the game on its head when Aussies were on target got both Chappell brothers and Turner with his youthful exuberance in the covers.  I was too young in 1975 to comprehend all that but was told by elders to me and bullied into accepting this Richards guy is the best.  But seriously we knew at the time a phenomenon called King Richards has arrived to grace this game in the lines of Ranjit Singhji, Sir Donald Bradman, Sir Jack Hobbs and Sir Garfield Sobers.  A cricketer par excellence whose very presence in a game sends an air of anticipation and excitement like no other.   There is more to Richards than just stats which will measure up to any modern great in any form of the game.  But it all about the timing, spontaneity and deliver on the big stage with all the nonchalance and ease.  The 1979 WC final century again in a winning cause shows the man's ability to pick just the right moment to shine and showoff and tell the world who the best is.
Since those days this game of ODI cricket has seen some remarkable cricketers to date both with the bat and the ball and also the likes of Richards, Dean Jones, Derek Randall, our own Mohammed Azharuddin and the best of them all Jhonty Rhodes on the field a forgotten area so vital to success in big games.  It will be very tough to pick 5 among plethora of greats athletes.
 
Hence I have decided to make a list of batsman and bowlers in the pecking order I would pick.  Here they are.
 
Batting in order of preference
 
1) Viv Richards
2) Mike Bevan
3) Adam  Gilchrist
4) Aravinda De Silva
5) Sachin Tendulkar
6) Sanath Jayasuriya
7) Ricky Ponting
8) Brain Lara
9) Sourav Ganguly
10) Mark Waugh
11) Desmond Haynes
12) Javed Miandad
13) Inzaman UL Haq
14) Gordon Greenidge
15) Md. Azharuddin
16) Dean Jones
 
Bowlers in order of preference
 
1) Goel Garner
2) Muttiah Muralitharan
3) Wasim Akram
4) Curtly Ambrsose
5) Richard Hadlee
6) Dennis Lillee
7) Malcolm Marshall
8) Glenn McGrath
9) Shaun Pollock
10) Shane Warne
11) Allan Donald
12) Michael Holding
13) Waqar Younis
14) Chaminda Vaas
15) Daniel Vettori
 
Allrounders in order of preference
1) Kapil Dev
2) Imran Khan
3) Steve Waugh
3) Ian Botham
5) Jhonty Rhodes
 
So if you pick the top 2 for bowlers and bastman and 1 allrounder if that is the norm for top 5 ODI's here, then that is my top 5.


Applause Rams!
In the first WC.....it was Greenidge and the late Roy Fredericks, who opened for WI. And they both were equally explosive. I am sure the Australians won't forget Fredericks in a hurry. I have seen them both in action during their 1973 visit with Lloyd's team in India.
One more batsman I would like to add is Lawrence Rowe, my personal favorite and a huge success in the Packer series. He was very stylish and aggressive, just like Richards. According to fellow Jamaican Michael Holding, Rowe would have been one of the greatest batsmen in the world had he lived up to his talent and early reputation.
Hey Hey Blwe....How come the applause count is still the same...... :D :D :D

Seriously you are right.  It is tough to make a sensible list.  You are bound to miss someone or the other.  Fredricks a little earlier player than a Greenidge or a Haynes is awesome.  So is Rowe your favorite a stylist.  Kallicharan, the most graceful of left handers even better than a Sobers or a Kanhai or a Gower when it comes to grace.  There is no end to the breed of WI's batsman that played in the 60's and 70's akin to the Brazilian Soccer teams of the 50's.  All we can do is cherish those memories.


Sorry Rams!.....might have forgotten to applaud after all, but I have made up for it today ( maladies of advancing years! :D ).
I have seen Kallicharan batting and Rowe too. There is no doubt that Rowe is more graceful, even though there is no doubting Kalli's stylish batting. In West Indies, Lawrence Rowe is synonimous with 'style'. But his style was different from Gower's lazy elegance. Gower's is a classy, high-art kind of batting...........but Rowe's style reminds one of the inherant power behind his batting. He was like a gentle-giant.......unlike Richards. I wish someone can do better justice in describing Rowe's batting.
Also please read.......
http://www.cricketvoice.com/cricketforum2/index.php?topic=324.0
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Re: Poll: 5 greatest ODI players (offshoot from Pietersan's thread) ever
« Reply #42 on: March 07, 2007, 02:17:43 PM »
I had the privilege of watching or following the game of One day Cricket since it inception or thereabouts.  Primarily I would say in 1975 is where it took off.   I was a mere 6 1/2 years when in the first WC a young man by name Isaac Vivian Alexander Richards 23 at the time created havoc and reaped headlines for his stellar performance.  He just scored 5 runs in the final to his captain Clive Lloyd's 102 a match winning hundred.  So what is the Buzz all about.  OH well rumor has it and was later confirmed that his brilliant fielding turned the game on its head when Aussies were on target got both Chappell brothers and Turner with his youthful exuberance in the covers.  I was too young in 1975 to comprehend all that but was told by elders to me and bullied into accepting this Richards guy is the best.  But seriously we knew at the time a phenomenon called King Richards has arrived to grace this game in the lines of Ranjit Singhji, Sir Donald Bradman, Sir Jack Hobbs and Sir Garfield Sobers.  A cricketer par excellence whose very presence in a game sends an air of anticipation and excitement like no other.   There is more to Richards than just stats which will measure up to any modern great in any form of the game.  But it all about the timing, spontaneity and deliver on the big stage with all the nonchalance and ease.  The 1979 WC final century again in a winning cause shows the man's ability to pick just the right moment to shine and showoff and tell the world who the best is.
Since those days this game of ODI cricket has seen some remarkable cricketers to date both with the bat and the ball and also the likes of Richards, Dean Jones, Derek Randall, our own Mohammed Azharuddin and the best of them all Jhonty Rhodes on the field a forgotten area so vital to success in big games.  It will be very tough to pick 5 among plethora of greats athletes.
 
Hence I have decided to make a list of batsman and bowlers in the pecking order I would pick.  Here they are.
 
Batting in order of preference
 
1) Viv Richards
2) Mike Bevan
3) Adam  Gilchrist
4) Aravinda De Silva
5) Sachin Tendulkar
6) Sanath Jayasuriya
7) Ricky Ponting
8) Brain Lara
9) Sourav Ganguly
10) Mark Waugh
11) Desmond Haynes
12) Javed Miandad
13) Inzaman UL Haq
14) Gordon Greenidge
15) Md. Azharuddin
16) Dean Jones
 
Bowlers in order of preference
 
1) Goel Garner
2) Muttiah Muralitharan
3) Wasim Akram
4) Curtly Ambrsose
5) Richard Hadlee
6) Dennis Lillee
7) Malcolm Marshall
8) Glenn McGrath
9) Shaun Pollock
10) Shane Warne
11) Allan Donald
12) Michael Holding
13) Waqar Younis
14) Chaminda Vaas
15) Daniel Vettori
 
Allrounders in order of preference
1) Kapil Dev
2) Imran Khan
3) Steve Waugh
3) Ian Botham
5) Jhonty Rhodes
 
So if you pick the top 2 for bowlers and bastman and 1 allrounder if that is the norm for top 5 ODI's here, then that is my top 5.

Applause Rams!
In the first WC.....it was Greenidge and the late Roy Fredericks, who opened for WI. And they both were equally explosive. I am sure the Australians won't forget Fredericks in a hurry. I have seen them both in action during their 1973 visit with Lloyd's team in India.
I absolutely adore Fredericks!! What a player!!
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Re: Poll: 5 greatest ODI players (offshoot from Pietersan's thread) ever
« Reply #43 on: March 07, 2007, 02:33:14 PM »
I had the privilege of watching or following the game of One day Cricket since it inception or thereabouts.  Primarily I would say in 1975 is where it took off.   I was a mere 6 1/2 years when in the first WC a young man by name Isaac Vivian Alexander Richards 23 at the time created havoc and reaped headlines for his stellar performance.  He just scored 5 runs in the final to his captain Clive Lloyd's 102 a match winning hundred.  So what is the Buzz all about.  OH well rumor has it and was later confirmed that his brilliant fielding turned the game on its head when Aussies were on target got both Chappell brothers and Turner with his youthful exuberance in the covers.  I was too young in 1975 to comprehend all that but was told by elders to me and bullied into accepting this Richards guy is the best.  But seriously we knew at the time a phenomenon called King Richards has arrived to grace this game in the lines of Ranjit Singhji, Sir Donald Bradman, Sir Jack Hobbs and Sir Garfield Sobers.  A cricketer par excellence whose very presence in a game sends an air of anticipation and excitement like no other.   There is more to Richards than just stats which will measure up to any modern great in any form of the game.  But it all about the timing, spontaneity and deliver on the big stage with all the nonchalance and ease.  The 1979 WC final century again in a winning cause shows the man's ability to pick just the right moment to shine and showoff and tell the world who the best is.
Since those days this game of ODI cricket has seen some remarkable cricketers to date both with the bat and the ball and also the likes of Richards, Dean Jones, Derek Randall, our own Mohammed Azharuddin and the best of them all Jhonty Rhodes on the field a forgotten area so vital to success in big games.  It will be very tough to pick 5 among plethora of greats athletes.
 
Hence I have decided to make a list of batsman and bowlers in the pecking order I would pick.  Here they are.
 
Batting in order of preference
 
1) Viv Richards
2) Mike Bevan
3) Adam  Gilchrist
4) Aravinda De Silva
5) Sachin Tendulkar
6) Sanath Jayasuriya
7) Ricky Ponting
8) Brain Lara
9) Sourav Ganguly
10) Mark Waugh
11) Desmond Haynes
12) Javed Miandad
13) Inzaman UL Haq
14) Gordon Greenidge
15) Md. Azharuddin
16) Dean Jones
 
Bowlers in order of preference
 
1) Goel Garner
2) Muttiah Muralitharan
3) Wasim Akram
4) Curtly Ambrsose
5) Richard Hadlee
6) Dennis Lillee
7) Malcolm Marshall
8) Glenn McGrath
9) Shaun Pollock
10) Shane Warne
11) Allan Donald
12) Michael Holding
13) Waqar Younis
14) Chaminda Vaas
15) Daniel Vettori
 
Allrounders in order of preference
1) Kapil Dev
2) Imran Khan
3) Steve Waugh
3) Ian Botham
5) Jhonty Rhodes
 
So if you pick the top 2 for bowlers and bastman and 1 allrounder if that is the norm for top 5 ODI's here, then that is my top 5.

Applause Rams!
In the first WC.....it was Greenidge and the late Roy Fredericks, who opened for WI. And they both were equally explosive. I am sure the Australians won't forget Fredericks in a hurry. I have seen them both in action during their 1973 visit with Lloyd's team in India.
I absolutely adore Fredericks!! What a player!!

I have heard a lot about Conrad Hunte and apparently he was also a great player has anyone got an idea about him>?
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Re: Poll: 5 greatest ODI players (offshoot from Pietersan's thread) ever
« Reply #44 on: March 08, 2007, 02:43:25 AM »
I had the privilege of watching or following the game of One day Cricket since it inception or thereabouts.  Primarily I would say in 1975 is where it took off.   I was a mere 6 1/2 years when in the first WC a young man by name Isaac Vivian Alexander Richards 23 at the time created havoc and reaped headlines for his stellar performance.  He just scored 5 runs in the final to his captain Clive Lloyd's 102 a match winning hundred.  So what is the Buzz all about.  OH well rumor has it and was later confirmed that his brilliant fielding turned the game on its head when Aussies were on target got both Chappell brothers and Turner with his youthful exuberance in the covers.  I was too young in 1975 to comprehend all that but was told by elders to me and bullied into accepting this Richards guy is the best.  But seriously we knew at the time a phenomenon called King Richards has arrived to grace this game in the lines of Ranjit Singhji, Sir Donald Bradman, Sir Jack Hobbs and Sir Garfield Sobers.  A cricketer par excellence whose very presence in a game sends an air of anticipation and excitement like no other.   There is more to Richards than just stats which will measure up to any modern great in any form of the game.  But it all about the timing, spontaneity and deliver on the big stage with all the nonchalance and ease.  The 1979 WC final century again in a winning cause shows the man's ability to pick just the right moment to shine and showoff and tell the world who the best is.
Since those days this game of ODI cricket has seen some remarkable cricketers to date both with the bat and the ball and also the likes of Richards, Dean Jones, Derek Randall, our own Mohammed Azharuddin and the best of them all Jhonty Rhodes on the field a forgotten area so vital to success in big games.  It will be very tough to pick 5 among plethora of greats athletes.
 
Hence I have decided to make a list of batsman and bowlers in the pecking order I would pick.  Here they are.
 
Batting in order of preference
 
1) Viv Richards
2) Mike Bevan
3) Adam  Gilchrist
4) Aravinda De Silva
5) Sachin Tendulkar
6) Sanath Jayasuriya
7) Ricky Ponting
8) Brain Lara
9) Sourav Ganguly
10) Mark Waugh
11) Desmond Haynes
12) Javed Miandad
13) Inzaman UL Haq
14) Gordon Greenidge
15) Md. Azharuddin
16) Dean Jones
 
Bowlers in order of preference
 
1) Goel Garner
2) Muttiah Muralitharan
3) Wasim Akram
4) Curtly Ambrsose
5) Richard Hadlee
6) Dennis Lillee
7) Malcolm Marshall
8) Glenn McGrath
9) Shaun Pollock
10) Shane Warne
11) Allan Donald
12) Michael Holding
13) Waqar Younis
14) Chaminda Vaas
15) Daniel Vettori
 
Allrounders in order of preference
1) Kapil Dev
2) Imran Khan
3) Steve Waugh
3) Ian Botham
5) Jhonty Rhodes
 
So if you pick the top 2 for bowlers and bastman and 1 allrounder if that is the norm for top 5 ODI's here, then that is my top 5.


Applause Rams!
In the first WC.....it was Greenidge and the late Roy Fredericks, who opened for WI. And they both were equally explosive. I am sure the Australians won't forget Fredericks in a hurry. I have seen them both in action during their 1973 visit with Lloyd's team in India.
One more batsman I would like to add is Lawrence Rowe, my personal favorite and a huge success in the Packer series. He was very stylish and aggressive, just like Richards. According to fellow Jamaican Michael Holding, Rowe would have been one of the greatest batsmen in the world had he lived up to his talent and early reputation.
Hey Hey Blwe....How come the applause count is still the same...... :D :D :D

Seriously you are right.  It is tough to make a sensible list.  You are bound to miss someone or the other.  Fredricks a little earlier player than a Greenidge or a Haynes is awesome.  So is Rowe your favorite a stylist.  Kallicharan, the most graceful of left handers even better than a Sobers or a Kanhai or a Gower when it comes to grace.  There is no end to the breed of WI's batsman that played in the 60's and 70's akin to the Brazilian Soccer teams of the 50's.  All we can do is cherish those memories.


Sorry Rams!.....might have forgotten to applaud after all, but I have made up for it today ( maladies of advancing years! :D ).
I have seen Kallicharan batting and Rowe too. There is no doubt that Rowe is more graceful, even though there is no doubting Kalli's stylish batting. In West Indies, Lawrence Rowe is synonimous with 'style'. But his style was different from Gower's lazy elegance. Gower's is a classy, high-art kind of batting...........but Rowe's style reminds one of the inherant power behind his batting. He was like a gentle-giant.......unlike Richards. I wish someone can do better justice in describing Rowe's batting.
Also please read.......
http://www.cricketvoice.com/cricketforum2/index.php?topic=324.0
Blwe:I read it the day you posted and again now, about Rowe.  It is unfortunate we have to lose such talented players to injury. Usually it is the case with bowlers in cricket.  But on and off we have batsman like a Rowe here and there miss out as well.  It is a shame his career was cut short the way it was for various reasons.  Nevertheless for the few years he did grace this game he showed what he is capable of through style and grace in his batting.  A bastman par excellence but not much to show for numbers wise.  I am glad you are a fan of his.  Not always you can justify everything through numbers.  Applause to you.
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Re: Poll: 5 greatest ODI players (offshoot from Pietersan's thread) ever
« Reply #45 on: March 08, 2007, 03:13:11 AM »
I had the privilege of watching or following the game of One day Cricket since it inception or thereabouts.  Primarily I would say in 1975 is where it took off.   I was a mere 6 1/2 years when in the first WC a young man by name Isaac Vivian Alexander Richards 23 at the time created havoc and reaped headlines for his stellar performance.  He just scored 5 runs in the final to his captain Clive Lloyd's 102 a match winning hundred.  So what is the Buzz all about.  OH well rumor has it and was later confirmed that his brilliant fielding turned the game on its head when Aussies were on target got both Chappell brothers and Turner with his youthful exuberance in the covers.  I was too young in 1975 to comprehend all that but was told by elders to me and bullied into accepting this Richards guy is the best.  But seriously we knew at the time a phenomenon called King Richards has arrived to grace this game in the lines of Ranjit Singhji, Sir Donald Bradman, Sir Jack Hobbs and Sir Garfield Sobers.  A cricketer par excellence whose very presence in a game sends an air of anticipation and excitement like no other.   There is more to Richards than just stats which will measure up to any modern great in any form of the game.  But it all about the timing, spontaneity and deliver on the big stage with all the nonchalance and ease.  The 1979 WC final century again in a winning cause shows the man's ability to pick just the right moment to shine and showoff and tell the world who the best is.
Since those days this game of ODI cricket has seen some remarkable cricketers to date both with the bat and the ball and also the likes of Richards, Dean Jones, Derek Randall, our own Mohammed Azharuddin and the best of them all Jhonty Rhodes on the field a forgotten area so vital to success in big games.  It will be very tough to pick 5 among plethora of greats athletes.
 
Hence I have decided to make a list of batsman and bowlers in the pecking order I would pick.  Here they are.
 
Batting in order of preference
 
1) Viv Richards
2) Mike Bevan
3) Adam  Gilchrist
4) Aravinda De Silva
5) Sachin Tendulkar
6) Sanath Jayasuriya
7) Ricky Ponting
8) Brain Lara
9) Sourav Ganguly
10) Mark Waugh
11) Desmond Haynes
12) Javed Miandad
13) Inzaman UL Haq
14) Gordon Greenidge
15) Md. Azharuddin
16) Dean Jones
 
Bowlers in order of preference
 
1) Goel Garner
2) Muttiah Muralitharan
3) Wasim Akram
4) Curtly Ambrsose
5) Richard Hadlee
6) Dennis Lillee
7) Malcolm Marshall
8) Glenn McGrath
9) Shaun Pollock
10) Shane Warne
11) Allan Donald
12) Michael Holding
13) Waqar Younis
14) Chaminda Vaas
15) Daniel Vettori
 
Allrounders in order of preference
1) Kapil Dev
2) Imran Khan
3) Steve Waugh
3) Ian Botham
5) Jhonty Rhodes
 
So if you pick the top 2 for bowlers and bastman and 1 allrounder if that is the norm for top 5 ODI's here, then that is my top 5.

Applause Rams!
In the first WC.....it was Greenidge and the late Roy Fredericks, who opened for WI. And they both were equally explosive. I am sure the Australians won't forget Fredericks in a hurry. I have seen them both in action during their 1973 visit with Lloyd's team in India.
I absolutely adore Fredericks!! What a player!!

I have heard a lot about Conrad Hunte and apparently he was also a great player has anyone got an idea about him>?
Sudzz:Hunte was a batsman who played in times of the greatest WI cricket generation.  I heard of him.  But he played during the time of Sobers, Kanhai and three W's and some where he got lost in the mix.  During that famous knock of Sobers 365* he scored 260 but that knock was never talked about much like Dravid's 180 odd in the 2001 famous Kolkata test which got lost in the midst of VVS's 281.  Nevertheless he was a player who will be remembered for his calypso king style batting all grace combined with power.  Like I said in another post it is a brand of cricket akin to the Brazilian soccer of the 50's and 60's and 70's that never got duplicated again.  And Hunte was one of the batsman that represented that unique style much like a Sobers or a Kanhai or a Lara today.
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Re: Poll: 5 greatest ODI players (offshoot from Pietersan's thread) ever
« Reply #46 on: January 14, 2012, 03:09:11 PM »
Bump....

those were the days! :(
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