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Shane warne for Brett Lee In WC
« on: February 18, 2007, 03:28:06 PM »
It may sound autrocious but I think Oz will be well served by recalling warney for the world cup as a replacement for brett lee. White and hogg are flopping like anything as spinners and in WI you would need at least one decent spinner. In any case they have 5 seamers in GM,NB, ST, MJ and SW. Why do you need a 6th one? Plus he is a fine bat at No. 8. Most imp Warne is the guy that has got them out of a mess all the time and he is the perfect man to do it once more. They just need to boost his ego a little, send a couple of chicks home to take " care of his needs" and he will be in WI and may be help Oz win the WC.

P.S :- I love to watch Oz loose, for one bcoz I believe one team dominating the game so much is not good for the sport and the second reason is their arrogance and cockiness. But from a tactial stand point it would be a great move i think
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Re: Shane warne for Brett Lee In WC
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2007, 11:35:52 PM »
It may sound autrocious but I think Oz will be well served by recalling warney for the world cup as a replacement for brett lee. White and hogg are flopping like anything as spinners and in WI you would need at least one decent spinner. In any case they have 5 seamers in GM,NB, ST, MJ and SW. Why do you need a 6th one? Plus he is a fine bat at No. 8. Most imp Warne is the guy that has got them out of a mess all the time and he is the perfect man to do it once more. They just need to boost his ego a little, send a couple of chicks home to take " care of his needs" and he will be in WI and may be help Oz win the WC.

P.S :- I love to watch Oz loose, for one bcoz I believe one team dominating the game so much is not good for the sport and the second reason is their arrogance and cockiness. But from a tactial stand point it would be a great move i think

very interesting observation avinash

question is will Warne agree- I don't see why he can't play in a farewell WC
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Re: Shane warne for Brett Lee In WC
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2007, 05:27:30 AM »
Not going to happen -- Buchanan and Warne hate each other.
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Re: Shane warne for Brett Lee In WC
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2007, 05:30:03 AM »
Not going to happen -- Buchanan and Warne hate each other.

hmm
but SG is playing for India
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Re: Shane warne for Brett Lee In WC
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2007, 01:12:41 PM »
dex I guess buchanan can be dispensed with if he has that much of a problem. Look they seem to be ok in the first 15-20 overs but they have absolutely no wicket taking ability in the middle overs. Thats whats hurting them. So I think its worth the effort to recall warne. Remember he had mentioned that he won't play in the WC .........unless ponting really requested him!!!! He just needs a massage , both for his ego and ...hmmm... elsewhere. Give him that he will be back, he loves such situations, such chances to be the hero, the messiah.
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Re: Shane warne for Brett Lee In WC
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2007, 01:22:22 PM »
dex I guess buchanan can be dispensed with if he has that much of a problem. Look they seem to be ok in the first 15-20 overs but they have absolutely no wicket taking ability in the middle overs. Thats whats hurting them. So I think its worth the effort to recall warne. Remember he had mentioned that he won't play in the WC .........unless ponting really requested him!!!! He just needs a massage , both for his ego and ...hmmm... elsewhere. Give him that he will be back, he loves such situations, such chances to be the hero, the messiah.

Knowing the Aussies, they would be loathe to attempt such a move and most likely they wont even consider this as an option.
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Re: Shane warne for Brett Lee In WC
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2007, 02:21:46 PM »
It may sound autrocious but I think Oz will be well served by recalling warney for the world cup as a replacement for brett lee. White and hogg are flopping like anything as spinners and in WI you would need at least one decent spinner. In any case they have 5 seamers in GM,NB, ST, MJ and SW. Why do you need a 6th one? Plus he is a fine bat at No. 8. Most imp Warne is the guy that has got them out of a mess all the time and he is the perfect man to do it once more. They just need to boost his ego a little, send a couple of chicks home to take " care of his needs" and he will be in WI and may be help Oz win the WC.

P.S :- I love to watch Oz loose, for one bcoz I believe one team dominating the game so much is not good for the sport and the second reason is their arrogance and cockiness. But from a tactial stand point it would be a great move i think


avinash:

Mark Waugh echoes your thoughts:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/6342377.stm

World Cup winner Mark Waugh believes a third successive crown would be easier for Australia to win if Shane Warne was still in the one-day team.

Waugh, part of the team who won under his brother Steve's captaincy in 1999, said spin bowling was an area where Australia's team could be improved.

He said: "The spin department is OK without being spectacular.

"If we had Shane Warne in the team, we'd be mighty hard to beat. He'd make our side stronger for sure."

Five consecutive losses, and injuries to key players Andrew Symonds, Matthew Hayden and Brett Lee, mean the world champions are looking distinctly vulnerable.

But Australia, though they are no longer rated the no.1 side in one-day cricket - a mantle which now belongs to South Africa - are still favourites.

The pitches in the World Cup are expected to be slow, and may assist the spinners.

But Australia's only specialist slow bowler in their squad, Brad Hogg, has come under pressure in recent matches against England and New Zealand.

Warne, 37, was man-of-the-match in both the semi-final and final of the 1999 World Cup.

But he was banned from the 2003 event because of drug abuse - and then chose to focus on Test cricket, ending his one-day career.

He played his final Test in Sydney in January, where Australia completed a 5-0 whitewash over England.

Waugh is also worried about the quality of Australia's fielding.

He said: "The biggest threat is from themselves - being off the boil on the day. The fielding has been terrible this summer - I've never seen so many catches dropped."

Waugh wrote off England's chances, suggesting India and Pakistan are the only sides capable of snatching the World Cup from Australia.

Asked which sides could cause an upset, he said: "Someone like Sri Lanka, the South Africans or the Kiwis, maybe the West Indies on a really good day with their batting line-up.

"But I can't see the winner coming out of those four."

He is crossing his fingers that both paceman Lee and all-rounder Symonds will be fit, at least for the key matches later in the tournament, because he has worries about some of the other seam bowlers.

Waugh said: "We've got a lot of experience with Lee and Glenn McGrath but the rest are a bit unproven.

"[Nathan] Bracken is pretty steady, but the other three - [Mitchell] Johnson, [Stuart] Clark and [Shaun] Tait - haven't bowled a great deal at international level."

So who will lift the trophy on 28 April in Barbados?

"When it gets to the knock-out stage, anything can happen on the day but if you forced me to have a bet, I'd be backing Australia."
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Re: Shane warne for Brett Lee In WC
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2007, 02:39:10 PM »
It may sound autrocious but I think Oz will be well served by recalling warney for the world cup as a replacement for brett lee. White and hogg are flopping like anything as spinners and in WI you would need at least one decent spinner. In any case they have 5 seamers in GM,NB, ST, MJ and SW. Why do you need a 6th one? Plus he is a fine bat at No. 8. Most imp Warne is the guy that has got them out of a mess all the time and he is the perfect man to do it once more. They just need to boost his ego a little, send a couple of chicks home to take " care of his needs" and he will be in WI and may be help Oz win the WC.

P.S :- I love to watch Oz loose, for one bcoz I believe one team dominating the game so much is not good for the sport and the second reason is their arrogance and cockiness. But from a tactial stand point it would be a great move i think


avinash:

Mark Waugh echoes your thoughts:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/6342377.stm

World Cup winner Mark Waugh believes a third successive crown would be easier for Australia to win if Shane Warne was still in the one-day team.

Waugh, part of the team who won under his brother Steve's captaincy in 1999, said spin bowling was an area where Australia's team could be improved.

He said: "The spin department is OK without being spectacular.

"If we had Shane Warne in the team, we'd be mighty hard to beat. He'd make our side stronger for sure."

Five consecutive losses, and injuries to key players Andrew Symonds, Matthew Hayden and Brett Lee, mean the world champions are looking distinctly vulnerable.

But Australia, though they are no longer rated the no.1 side in one-day cricket - a mantle which now belongs to South Africa - are still favourites.

The pitches in the World Cup are expected to be slow, and may assist the spinners.

But Australia's only specialist slow bowler in their squad, Brad Hogg, has come under pressure in recent matches against England and New Zealand.

Warne, 37, was man-of-the-match in both the semi-final and final of the 1999 World Cup.

But he was banned from the 2003 event because of drug abuse - and then chose to focus on Test cricket, ending his one-day career.

He played his final Test in Sydney in January, where Australia completed a 5-0 whitewash over England.

Waugh is also worried about the quality of Australia's fielding.

He said: "The biggest threat is from themselves - being off the boil on the day. The fielding has been terrible this summer - I've never seen so many catches dropped."

Waugh wrote off England's chances, suggesting India and Pakistan are the only sides capable of snatching the World Cup from Australia.

Asked which sides could cause an upset, he said: "Someone like Sri Lanka, the South Africans or the Kiwis, maybe the West Indies on a really good day with their batting line-up.

"But I can't see the winner coming out of those four."

He is crossing his fingers that both paceman Lee and all-rounder Symonds will be fit, at least for the key matches later in the tournament, because he has worries about some of the other seam bowlers.

Waugh said: "We've got a lot of experience with Lee and Glenn McGrath but the rest are a bit unproven.

"[Nathan] Bracken is pretty steady, but the other three - [Mitchell] Johnson, [Stuart] Clark and [Shaun] Tait - haven't bowled a great deal at international level."

So who will lift the trophy on 28 April in Barbados?

"When it gets to the knock-out stage, anything can happen on the day but if you forced me to have a bet, I'd be backing Australia."


And the rumblings have started- Nice to see Aussies having issues >:D
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Re: Shane warne for Brett Lee In WC
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2007, 10:17:04 PM »
I am going to be like my Delhi/punjabi brethren on the DG and start a poll. I doubt too many believe that Aussies are any less favored to win the cup
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Re: Shane warne for Brett Lee In WC
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2007, 08:35:50 PM »
Bring back Warne

Australia desperately needs to coax the old master out of retirement for a tuneful World Cup redemption song, writes Nirmal Shekar 



From invincible world-beaters to bumbling incompetents is seldom a long, harrowing journey in the world of sport; it is quite often an unscheduled next stop on a train seemingly driven by a sadistic alcoholic on a capriciously unpredictable route.

Exactly a month ago, Australia was as big a favourite to become the first team in history to win the World Cup of cricket three times in a row as was a Swiss gentleman called Roger Federer to win a third straight Grand Slam title for the second time in his career.

Having justified the favouritism, the genial Swiss departed on a skiing holiday; the Australian cricket team, for its part, has careened downhill faster than Alberto Tomba in his heyday.

Ah, what a foony business cricket is, as Mr. Geoffrey Boycott might say.

While a laugh or two at the expense of a national team that has ruled the sport with a thunderingly aggressive brand of cricket for the best part of the last decade might not be sinful, the important question is this: what can Australia do to plug the holes and reassert its supremacy at the World Cup in the Caribbean? Sporting blogosphere, no doubt, is filled with all sorts of advice to Buchanan, Ponting and Co. A few thousand tall trees have been sacrificed too, to address the issue in print.

From the tattooed bartender with a beer-belly handing out frothy refreshments to his customers at the street-corner pub in Elizabeth street, Melbourne, to the most erudite of the game's critics, everybody has offered his own prescription for the world champion's ills.

Always a fan of Oscar Wilde, and never one to resist temptations with any kind of success, I cannot but offer my own. And it is a very, very simple solution.

Bring back Shane Warne. Coax the old master out of retirement for a tuneful World Cup redemption song.

Does this sound ludicrous? After all, Australia did win the 2003 World Cup in South Africa a few weeks after a shamed-again Warne was sent back home after testing positive for a diuretic. This apart, Warne quit one-day cricket long before he took his final bow at Sydney early in January this year.

So, what can the just-retired, 37-year-old overweight, under-prepared spinner do against hard hitting batsmen from in-form teams on the relatively small grounds of the West Indies and on pitches that might turn out to be so batsman-friendly that Sreesanth might fancy his chances of making his first ODI century? That seems an obvious question, doesn't it? Well, it certainly is, on the surface.

Imposing presence


But, then, given what the Mozart of the game's most sublime art — leg spin — has accomplished in his unmatchable career, can we ever commit the folly of over-estimating his skills? Quite apart from the baroque extravagance of his art, Warne was Warne because his mere presence invested successive Australian teams with a richness, vitality and swaggering self-confidence that Ponting's men seemed to have lacked after his departure.

Champion athletes are more than the sum of their physical skills. Even a clearly over-the-hill Warne will prove to be a greater boon to Ponting's team in the Caribbean than many others because of the sheer weight of his personality and experience.

Steve Waugh and Ponting may not have been half as successful as they have been as captains if they had not had the good sense to throw the ball to the burly leggie every single time a match needed to be turned on its head. Great leaders have an innate ability to back winners.

A winner


And Shane Warne is, essentially, a winner — as big a winner as cricket has seen in its long history. He is a cricketer who could make things happen on the field at the right moments from the team's point of view. A wicket, a catch, a run out, a quick 25-ball 40...Warney could do it all.

From outside, this might give the impression that Warne was lucky. Perhaps on the odd occasion he was. But nobody can decide matches as often as Warne has done in his career relying on Dame Fortune alone.

Several decades ago, watching a teenaged Muhammad Ali — then known as Cassius Clay — in a smelly boxing gym, an old coach of the fight game told a reporter: "You know, this kid has it.''

"Has what?'' shot back the reporter.

"Forget it. You won't understand,'' said the impatient, cocky coach, the arthritic fingers of his right arm dismissing the reporter from his presence.

X factor


In hindsight, we do understand what the kid had — it is the X factor, something that goes way beyond jabs and upper cuts and left hooks.

Shane Warne had it too — and it might be more than useful for a stuttering Australia in the West Indies a few weeks from now.

Warney, where are you?

http://www.hindu.com/2007/02/23/stories/2007022305452100.htm
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Re: Shane warne for Brett Lee In WC
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2007, 05:48:14 AM »
Aussies missedd a trick here. they are now stuck with brad hogg as there spinner and No. 8 batsmen. I would have taken Warne any day ahead of clark or hogg. what a mistake.
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