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[TheChowmeinWarrior]

interesting..for all australia's hype as the number 1 team in the world in ODI cricket..they have now given up the 3 highest amount of runs scored to win a match batting second?

438-9 (49.5 overs)   South Africa v Australia     Johannesburg         2005/06     
337-5 (48.4 overs)   New Zealand v Australia      Auckland             2006/07     
332-8 (49 overs)     New Zealand v Australia      Christchurch         2005/06     

so who knows..maybe this is the way to beat them...let them get 300+ runs and then chase with ease!..hehe

[caught and bowled]

interesting..for all australia's hype as the number 1 team in the world in ODI cricket..they have now given up the 3 highest amount of runs scored to win a match batting second?

438-9 (49.5 overs)   South Africa v Australia     Johannesburg         2005/06     
337-5 (48.4 overs)   New Zealand v Australia      Auckland             2006/07     
332-8 (49 overs)     New Zealand v Australia      Christchurch         2005/06     

so who knows..maybe this is the way to beat them...let them get 300+ runs and then chase with ease!..hehe

We Indians knew this much before and tried to make it work in the WC2003 finals. However, only the first part went according to plan when we allowed them to score 353 (or was it 359??...its too painful to try and remember!). During the 2nd part our maharathis forgot the plot..

[TheChowmeinWarrior]

ah..that was coz of GC dont you see?!

[caught and bowled]

ah..that was coz of GC dont you see?!

Indeed, indeed. Chappell, the omnipresent evil. The resident devil of this DG

[Libran]

Seeing that match, GC decided "India knows the plot...the need the pracess"...

Now we don't chase 230+ also (Rajkot) 

[caught and bowled]

Seeing that match, GC decided "India knows the plot...the need the pracess"...

Now we don't chase 230+ also (Rajkot) 

 :nono:The same process was also responsible earlier for a world record 17 chases

[TheChowmeinWarrior]

heh..yeah..well..whos fault was it we lost the match? didnt dravid say? If SG hadnt gotten out when he did..they would have won..ergo..the 3-0 clean sweep became 2-1 cos of SG...

 

[Libran]

Seeing that match, GC decided "India knows the plot...the need the pracess"...

Now we don't chase 230+ also (Rajkot) 

 :nono:The same process was also responsible earlier for a world record 17 chases

Before the "pracess could"  have its true effect .... And during that time, primary motive was to try out potential candidates for The Chappelway 

[Cover Point]

very interesting stat. A post about the scored of Aus vs NZ results in chappel bashing.

[TheChowmeinWarrior]

heh..relax CP..no chappell bashing from me at least...always have been and always will be behind him and his methods....dont care what happens at the worldcup or not..if he'd been left to do his job..we'd have one hell of a team right now WHICH WOULD STAND THE TEST OF TIME...for a brief while we did..then when we hit a bump in the road..everyone got on his back to get things back to the status quo...so here we are now..anyway..lets just  the team on and worry about the mess that'll come later when dravid, tendulkar, kumble, ganguly all leave...i mean..thats..what...only...1247 ODIs, 446 Tests, 36235 ODI Runs, 27326 Test Runs, 579 ODI Wickets and 612 Test Wickets...i mean..thats replaceable right? like..overnight right?! we'll just bring in a bunch of under-19 year olds and voila..we'll have a a bunch of new tendulkars,dravids,gangulys and kumbles right there?..process?schmoozes...this is not the indian way..we take things as they come dont we? oh well..

[atticus]

Some more interesting stats
The second column is number of times a team has won chasing 300 vs the number of times they chased 300. The third column shows the number of times a team has lost after setting a target of 300 vs the number of times they set the target. The 4th and 5th columns shows the same info as 2nd and 3rd in % respectively.

Aus  2/11  3/41   18% 7%
Eng  1/10  3/14   10% 21%
Ind   6/26  2/28   23% 7% (once they won by D/L)
NZ    3/20  0/13  15% 0% (once they won by D/L)
Pak   3/22   3/33  13% 9%
SA   2/7    4/26   28% 15% (once they lost by D/L)
SL   4/30  2/24  13% 8%
WI   1/10  4/19  10% 21% (once they lost by D/L)

- As you can see, SA is the best in terms of chasing 300's. They not only have allowed only 7 scores of 300+, they also have won 28% of those 7.
- Aus are outstanding in setting a 300+ target. They have done it 41 times. They have lost only 3 (and ironically, the 3 highest chases so far).
- India are pretty good in both scenarios. They also have lost only 7% after setting 300+ scores. They are also second highest in terms of winning % chasing 300 and the highest (6) in absolute numbers.
- Predictably WI and Eng are the worst in terms of losing after scoring 300 (21% each). But the surprising thing is bothe teams have let their opponents score 300+ batting 1st only 10 times each.
- NZ has never lost after scoring 300.

Your views ...

[kban1]

Applause atticus for this research.

Wow, it is very interesting to see where India stands in the picture -- I knew we had chased 300 a few times, but when expressed as a % and compared to other nations, it does show a diff picture -- as in, we have not really been as bad as perception suggests.

Perhaps the two big losses to the Aussies (chasing 359 both times) is responsible for the perception.

[justforkix]

Perhaps the two big losses to the Aussies (chasing 359 both times) is responsible for the perception.

Trying to reduce the misery eh It was thrice - WC Final, TVS Cup Final, VB Series Final 

[atticus]

Applause atticus for this research.

Wow, it is very interesting to see where India stands in the picture -- I knew we had chased 300 a few times, but when expressed as a % and compared to other nations, it does show a diff picture -- as in, we have not really been as bad as perception suggests.

Perhaps the two big losses to the Aussies (chasing 359 both times) is responsible for the perception.

Thanks for the applause kban. To me the surprise is SA. Only 7 times have they let another team score 300 in 1st innings. This is absolutely brilliant.  The sub continent teams have all scored or given up 300+ more than 20 times. I think this is a function of batting in the subcontinent or maybe because they play a lot more ODI's.

[justforkix]

Thanks for the applause kban. To me the surprise is SA. Only 7 times have they let another team score 300 in 1st innings. This is absolutely brilliant.  The sub continent teams have all scored or given up 300+ more than 20 times. I think this is a function of batting in the subcontinent or maybe because they play a lot more ODI's.

It'll be nice to see total #ODIs from when the team gave up its 1st 300. Asian teams have more definitely because they play more. ALso, reason why WI and Eng have only 10 even though both have been poor ODI teams.

SAF giving up only 300+ 7 times may be largely due to Pollcok. That bugger gies up only 30 runs in 10 overs. So, the opposition has to score 270 of 40 overs

[atticus]

Thanks for the applause kban. To me the surprise is SA. Only 7 times have they let another team score 300 in 1st innings. This is absolutely brilliant.  The sub continent teams have all scored or given up 300+ more than 20 times. I think this is a function of batting in the subcontinent or maybe because they play a lot more ODI's.

It'll be nice to see total #ODIs from when the team gave up its 1st 300. Asian teams have more definitely because they play more. ALso, reason why WI and Eng have only 10 even though both have been poor ODI teams.

SAF giving up only 300+ 7 times may be largely due to Pollcok. That bugger gies up only 30 runs in 10 overs. So, the opposition has to score 270 of 40 overs

Looking at the number of ODI's played after 2000 (assuming there were very few 300 scores before), you are right - Eng and WI (along with NZ) have played a lot less ODI's compared to the sub-continent teams and Aus. SA have also played similar number to India, Aus, etc. So that explains their low numbers. That's why I gave special mention to SA for giving away only 7 scores of 300+ (bowling first). My explanation is - fielding. of course Pollock also helps