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So what do people think of a player who averages around 32 with a SR of around 90? Would they be able to get into the Indian team ahead of say a batsman who averages closer to 40 with a 70 SR? Assume there is a direct competition between the two.

[justforkix]

Sure. On current form, SG > VS

[kingcool1432]

Sure. On current form, SG > VS

What makes you think he's not talking about RD ?

[cricinfo]

i think all sensible people know that picking up a player in any team sports can not be as objective as that...in that case we didnt need to have a selection commitee...a smart computer program will suffice

[justforkix]

Sure. On current form, SG > VS

What makes you think he's not talking about RD ?

because the poster is CP

[Cover Point]

Actually it was a bait.

I was surprised to see some stats this morning. The batsman in question is Jayasuriya. He averages around 32 and a SR of around 90.

I was reminded of this great debate about six months ago, a time when VS was still batting his usual self in ODI's and all the gangulians were after his head saying an average of 32 at whatever SR is unacceptable (his was close to 100). It was also said that VS was never a good ODI player etc etc etc

Now how many would have a problem taking a Jayasuriya in the team.. even if he continues to give you an average of 32? (and there is absolutely no reason to think that jaya would give u more than 32 average .. he has done it for 350+ matches)

So if the choice was between a SG and Jaya (for argument sake) who would u pick?

[justforkix]

CP:

Big difference between Jayasurya and Sehwag/Ganguly - Jayasurya is a better bowler and better fielder.

So, not an apples to apples comparison.

To answer your question, i'll pick both SG and SJ and drop someone else

[Cover Point]

I was thinking as a batsman only but if we extend that... why do u think Jayasuriya is a better fielder than VS? Sehwag infact seems to be one of the better catchers we have and has been bowling really well in the ODI's.

And thats not the choice. If you had to pick one of them. No cop outs

[kingcool1432]

I was surprised to see some stats this morning. The batsman in question is Jayasuriya. He averages around 32 and a SR of around 90.

Well , if I remember right Jayasurya started his career batting at number 7 or 8.

In his last 250 matches he averages closer to 38.

[fineleg]

I was surprised to see some stats this morning. The batsman in question is Jayasuriya. He averages around 32 and a SR of around 90.

Well , if I remember right Jayasurya started his career batting at number 7 or 8.

In his last 250 matches he averages closer to 38.

Kingcool - thanks for posting this.
Thats more in line with my gut feel. My gut feel was Surya is a far far stronger ODI player than many of those we have.

[justforkix]

why do u think Jayasuriya is a better fielder than VS? Sehwag infact seems to be one of the better catchers we have and has been bowling really well in the ODI's.

WHOA !!! Haen't you seen Jayasurya field for SL ?!? He's 10X better than Motu VS on the field. And bowling too, there's no comparison. Sanath has bowled 2000+ overs and has taken 250+ wkts. Sanath is an all-rounder. VS is a batter who can bowl.

And thats not the choice. If you had to pick one of them. No cop outs

Plz tell in what situation I need to pick only one of these 2 10K+ run scorers when both are in good form. Then I will answer the question. In the current team I will gladly drop YS/VS/KKD/IP/RU to include SJ.

[justforkix]

My gut feel was Surya is a far far stronger ODI player than many of those we have.

Better than Sachin - 

[Cover Point]

I was surprised to see some stats this morning. The batsman in question is Jayasuriya. He averages around 32 and a SR of around 90.

Well , if I remember right Jayasurya started his career batting at number 7 or 8.

In his last 250 matches he averages closer to 38.

Good point. Did not realize that.

As i said i was surprised to see his average that low...

[ramshorns]

Jayasuriya is one player I take in any ODI team.  In fact Jayasuriya, Viv Richards, Mike Bevan, Adam Gilchrist and Aravinda De Silva would be my first five before I tap into Sachin, Ponting, Inzy, Lara pool for ODI's.

[fineleg]

Jayasuriya is one player I take in any ODI team.  In fact Jayasuriya, Viv Richards, Mike Bevan, Adam Gilchrist and Aravinda De Silva would be my first five before I tap into Sachin, Ponting, Inzy, Lara pool for ODI's.

Thats a super 5 list rams. These guys definitely deliver(ed) under pressure.

[ramshorns]

Jayasuriya is one player I take in any ODI team.  In fact Jayasuriya, Viv Richards, Mike Bevan, Adam Gilchrist and Aravinda De Silva would be my first five before I tap into Sachin, Ponting, Inzy, Lara pool for ODI's.

Thats a super 5 list rams. These guys definitely deliver(ed) under pressure.

Yes FL it is a super list.

Just a thought on Viv Richards and to put things in perspective.  Greenidge/Haynes/Dean Jones/Allan Border/Javed etc all have strikes rates in the 60 or low 70 range.  Our own maverick bat Krish Srikanth the dynamo those days had low 70 SR.  So during the times when 60 and 70's SR were the norm the incomparable 'King' Richards had a cool 90+ SR with a super average of 47. 

So Sir Viv's strike rate at the time is akin to today some freak having a SR of 125 when the likes of Jayasuriya and Gilchrist are in 90's.  Mind you all this done while looking majestic when he pulled over squareleg or midwicket or hit a hapless pacer for an effortless six over extracover.  This done without an helmet on.

Add to that the greatness in some of those knocks the best being the 138* in WC final against Eng pulling WI's from 90 odd for 4 in 1979 final where they Won.  Also there were whispers at the time in 1975 finals Viv won it with his fielding accounting for the Chappell brothers Run outs and one other player's.  At the time Viv was a mere 23.  I mean this guy is the best ever.

[dextrous]

By the way, Sanath was a bowler when he started out, who could bat a bit, and then he transformed himself. His bowling is under-estimated, but he's def. a real bowler, not someoen who can do a bit of spin.

[Vick]

Actually it was a bait.

I was surprised to see some stats this morning. The batsman in question is Jayasuriya. He averages around 32 and a SR of around 90.

I was reminded of this great debate about six months ago, a time when VS was still batting his usual self in ODI's and all the gangulians were after his head saying an average of 32 at whatever SR is unacceptable (his was close to 100). It was also said that VS was never a good ODI player etc etc etc

Now how many would have a problem taking a Jayasuriya in the team.. even if he continues to give you an average of 32? (and there is absolutely no reason to think that jaya would give u more than 32 average .. he has done it for 350+ matches)

So if the choice was between a SG and Jaya (for argument sake) who would u pick?

Depends on their form. SJ in current form will be picked even before SRT(he avg >45 in last year). SJ was dropped from the team when he was in bad form couple of years back. And that extended long bad form brought his avg down.

No one would be questioning VS if he keeps giving us 32-35 avg at around 100 strike rate. That with his bowling should be enough. He is not SG or SRT both of whom look at settling before they go for shots and which is the reason they have lower strike rates.

[Cover Point]

Actually it was a bait.

I was surprised to see some stats this morning. The batsman in question is Jayasuriya. He averages around 32 and a SR of around 90.

I was reminded of this great debate about six months ago, a time when VS was still batting his usual self in ODI's and all the gangulians were after his head saying an average of 32 at whatever SR is unacceptable (his was close to 100). It was also said that VS was never a good ODI player etc etc etc

Now how many would have a problem taking a Jayasuriya in the team.. even if he continues to give you an average of 32? (and there is absolutely no reason to think that jaya would give u more than 32 average .. he has done it for 350+ matches)

So if the choice was between a SG and Jaya (for argument sake) who would u pick?

Depends on their form. SJ in current form will be picked even before SRT(he avg >45 in last year). SJ was dropped from the team when he was in bad form couple of years back. And that extended long bad form brought his avg down.

No one would be questioning VS if he keeps giving us 32-35 avg at around 100 strike rate. That with his bowling should be enough. He is not SG or SRT both of whom look at settling before they go for shots and which is the reason they have lower strike rates.

But thats what my issue here is. I have absolutely no problem in VS being dropped NOW when he ...how should I put it subtly ... SUCKS! Heck he should be dropped for ever just for his poor attitude (u must have read my comments in the sehwag thread).

What I do have a problem with is when a few months ago when SG was out of the team, people were targetting VS and saying his 32 average at ANY SR is not worth.

I think Dexy was one of those who was boldly saying that 32 average at ANY SR is not good enough. There were others too but I cant remember who all and am too lazy to go search.

[justforkix]

What I do have a problem with is when a few months ago when SG was out of the team, people were targetting VS and saying his 32 average at ANY SR is not worth.

I think Dexy was one of those who was boldly saying that 32 average at ANY SR is not good enough. There were others too but I cant remember who all and am too lazy to go search.

Yes. it is not good enough for an opening batsman who only bowls part-time - avg 4 overs per ODI and is just an average fielder.

[dextrous]

What I do have a problem with is when a few months ago when SG was out of the team, people were targetting VS and saying his 32 average at ANY SR is not worth.

I think Dexy was one of those who was boldly saying that 32 average at ANY SR is not good enough. There were others too but I cant remember who all and am too lazy to go search.

Yes. it is not good enough for an opening batsman who only bowls part-time - avg 4 overs per ODI and is just an average fielder.

I agree with jfk...but what I have also suggested in the past is that, if Sehwag works on his bowling, he can be a viable #7 option for India, as an all-rounder, esp. if Pathan fades away.