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[dhruvdeepak]

floodlights provide little supplement to natural light. in this match the batsmen have gone off 2 days in a row prior to today at the same time, even with lights on.

[justforkix]

Smith has no idea about the rules. Once u accept bad light, u cannot come back on unless natural light is better than when light was offered. So,this is end of DAY3 

This match can have only 2 results - Draw (90%) or Indian Win because of a SAF collapse tomorrow morning (10%).

[ruchir]

Asad Rauf is a real Dumb-Ass. He was looking at the light meter while SS was running in to bowl. SS had to stop and go back. Isn't he supposed to do that between the overs, or between the deliveries?

[justforkix]

HAHA - Play started again and Umps called off play for Bad Light. Smith is WHINING 

[ruchir]

I feel it should be Smith's decision, not umpire's to stop play. Unless, it is dangerous for batsmen. I don't think it is dangerous for anyone!!! Rauf is ridiculous!!! 

[achutank]

if you ask a boxer he will never allow a TKO, but you need to

[justforkix]

I feel it should be Smith's decision, not umpire's to stop play. Unless, it is dangerous for batsmen. I don't think it is dangerous for anyone!!! Rauf is ridiculous!!! 

No. he is NOT.

Quoting from cricinfo:

Law 3.9c Either captain may appeal against conditions to the umpires before the next call of time. The umpires shall uphold the appeal only if, in their opinion, the factors taken into account when making the previous decision are the same or the conditions have further deteriorated.

[ruchir]

http://www.lords.org/laws-and-spirit/laws-of-cricket/laws/law-3-the-umpires,29,AR.html

Law 3 (The umpires)

9. Suspension of play for adverse conditions of ground, weather or light
(b)If at any time the umpires together agree that the condition of the ground, weather or light is not suitable for play, they shall inform the captains and, unless
   (i) in unsuitable ground or weather conditions both captains agree to continue, or to commence, or to restart play,
or
   (ii) in unsuitable light the batting side wishes to continue, or to commence, or to restart play,
they shall suspend play, or not allow play to commence or to restart.
<<so it is pretty clear that although umpires have authority to stop play, if both captains or at least batting side wants, the play can continue. clearly Smith wanted to bat on but Rauf did not allow that>>

(c) (i) After agreeing to play in unsuitable ground or weather conditions, either captain may appeal against the conditions to the umpires before the next call of Time. The umpires shall uphold the appeal only if, in their opinion, the factors taken into account when making their previous decision are the same or the conditions have further deteriorated.
(ii) After deciding to play in unsuitable light, the captain of the batting side may appeal against the light to the umpires before the next call of Time. The umpires shall uphold the appeal only if, in their opinion, the factors taken into account when making their previous decision are the same or the condition of the light has further deteriorated.
<<so while playing in low-light, either captain or at least batting side can stop play thru umpires. clearly GS and RD did not ask umpires to stop the play. at least I did not see RD asking umpires to stop. GS wanted to continue.>>

(d) If at any time the umpires together agree that the conditions of ground, weather or light are so bad that there is obvious and foreseeable risk to the safety of any player or umpire, so that it would be unreasonable or dangerous for play to take place, then notwithstanding the provisions of (b)(i) and (b)(ii) above, they shall immediately suspend play, or not allow play to commence or to restart. The decision as to whether conditions are so bad as to warrant such action is one for the umpires alone to make.
The fact that the grass and the ball are wet and slippery does not warrant the ground conditions being regarded as unreasonable or dangerous. If the umpires consider the ground is so wet or slippery as to deprive the bowler of a reasonable foothold, the fielders of the power of free movement, or the batsmen of the ability to play their strokes or to run between the wickets, then these conditions shall be regarded as so bad that it would be unreasonable for play to take place.
<<looks like Rauf used this clause to stop the play. however, IMO, the conditions were not dangerous to any one, least of all the umpires.>>

(e) When there is a suspension of play it is the responsibility of the umpires to monitor the conditions. They shall make inspections as often as appropriate, unaccompanied by any of the players or officials. Immediately the umpires together agree that conditions are suitable for play they shall call upon the players to resume the game.

(f) If play is in progress up to the start of an agreed interval then it will resume after the interval unless the umpires together agree that conditions are or have become unsuitable or dangerous. If they do so agree, then they shall implement the procedure in (b) or (d) above, as appropriate, whether or not there had been any decision by the captains to continue, or any appeal against the conditions by either captain, prior to the commencement of the interval.

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I think both umpires, specially Rauf, made a hasty and incorrect decision to stop the play. Most probably, they used the dangerous conditions clause ('cause others did not fit), and I don't think the conditions were dangerous for anyone, more so because now all the lights were working perfectly fine.

[ruchir]

Umpires confirm on TV that they made a unilateral decision that liight was unfit for play. They are pointing at sightscreen and ball visibility.

[poondu]

45.6     Ntini to Ganguly, OUT, Bouncer does the trick. Now Ganguly falls. India slip into a deep crisis. Banged in short, at the body, Ganguly was too late to react, just fended it off in an ungainly manner, as if he didn't see the ball, and it popped up at backward point for a simple catch
   SC Ganguly c Gibbs b Ntini 0 (2b 0x4 0x6) SR: 0.00

Ha ha ha.. those biased CI commentators!!!

The following is a snippet of the report from Hindustantimes.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/htcricket/8145_1882189,00160140.htm

Ganguly was too late to react to the bouncer and just fended it off in an ungainly manner, as if he didn't see the ball, and it popped up, off the shoulder of the bat, at backward point for a simple catch to Gibbs.

[poondu]

Mr. Panicker's take on the Ganguly dismissal.

"
The batsman hopped away, took his eyes off the ball, and fended at it in reflexive defense; the ball caught the handle of the bat and looped up to point for Gibbs to complete an easy take (0/2; 125/5). For the longest time imaginable, Ganguly stood there, blinking and giving every sign of a batsman who hadn't seen the ball."

http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2006/dec/28indsalead01.htm

[ruchir]

POONDU --

I think CI, Cbuzz, HT, Rediff; all described SG's dismissal in about the same terms. Wouldn't you agree?

[poondu]

POONDU --

I think CI, Cbuzz, HT, Rediff; all described SG's dismissal in about the same terms. Wouldn't you agree?

Ruchir, Didn't watch y'day. Have to see the highlights today. 

HT mentions that he was too late to react whereas PP mentions that he did not see the ball. So I don't know at this point.

[Jai]

POONDU --

I think CI, Cbuzz, HT, Rediff; all described SG's dismissal in about the same terms. Wouldn't you agree?

Ruchir, Didn't watch y'day. Have to see the highlights today. 

HT mentions that he was too late to react whereas PP mentions that he did not see the ball. So I don't know at this point.

I saw the dismissal. I agree with what PP has said regarding SG giving the impression that he hadn't seen the ball. The light was definitely low and after a few balls later, the umpires took the light meter out although the play continued. Not defending SG here, but he surely has problems with his eyesights and he wears contact lenses. Not sure whether he indeed couldn't see the ball, but even then his bat shouldn't have been hanging in the air like the way it was.

[Zacked]

The action replays during lunchtime clearly showed that SG was under the impression that the ball is going to hit him... but didnt knew where it would hit... Unfortunately for SG it hit the bat...

[toney]

This match can have only 2 results - Draw (90%) or Indian Win because of a SAF collapse tomorrow morning (10%).

?
Indians are notorious for losing matches from any situation. So I will wait before making a decision. I am hoping for the rains on D5 (as predicted before the match). Otherwise, I think thee is enough time for us to lose.

[justforkix]

This match can have only 2 results - Draw (90%) or Indian Win because of a SAF collapse tomorrow morning (10%).

?
Indians are notorious for losing matches from any situation. So I will wait before making a decision. I am hoping for the rains on D5 (as predicted before the match). Otherwise, I think thee is enough time for us to lose.

Definitely. But even with our best efforts ( ), losing will be quite tough. Because we will have to bat only 60-65 overs on D5.

Why? Bad light will allow only ~130 overs, but a max of 196 is possible. If Smith bats for 55 overs and scores 200 tomorrow, that leaves a target of 353 in 141 overs. Itz unlikely that Smith will give us such a target given the series scoreline. He's likely to give us at least a target of 400+, which means say 403 in 131 overs. By that time bad light would have set in, So, we will have to bat 65 overs on D5 to save this test. I'm confident that our middle 4 can bat out at least 50 of these 65 overs . And the tail and openers can bat the rest of the 15 overs.

[fineleg]

hahahaah smith accepts the light. i cant believe it. a most finelegish move. average of 65-70 overs per day (without rain that is), means max of 140-150 overs left in this match. SA are 148 ahead - they will want at least 200 more IMO (having been scarred by setting a 300ish target vs Aussies  w/ declaration) which means they will bat 60 overs at least. assuming there is no rain we just need to bat out 80 overs max. we can definitely put up a better performance with the bat, i mean 4 batsmen got ducks and still we batted 80 overs in the 1st.

Could I request you and kix to come back and re-confirm the above (draw most likely etc) -
A. end of fourth day
B. lunch of fifth day

I have a feeling that you will be saying things like: "#$##$%% how could they!?? It was a given that all they had to do was play nice and easy! #@$$$ can't believe we goofed it up from here".

Anyways - we will re-visit.
Same for kix.

[toney]

This match can have only 2 results - Draw (90%) or Indian Win because of a SAF collapse tomorrow morning (10%).

?
Indians are notorious for losing matches from any situation. So I will wait before making a decision. I am hoping for the rains on D5 (as predicted before the match). Otherwise, I think thee is enough time for us to lose.

Definitely. But even with our best efforts ( ), losing will be quite tough. Because we will have to bat only 60-65 overs on D5.

Why? Bad light will allow only ~130 overs, but a max of 196 is possible. If Smith bats for 55 overs and scores 200 tomorrow, that leaves a target of 353 in 141 overs. Itz unlikely that Smith will give us such a target given the series scoreline. He's likely to give us at least a target of 400+, which means say 403 in 131 overs. By that time bad light would have set in, So, we will have to bat 65 overs on D5 to save this test. I'm confident that our middle 4 can bat out at least 50 of these 65 overs . And the tail and openers can bat the rest of the 15 overs.

jfk.
good analysis. I don't see any problems for us after reading your post.

Max overs: 180
Overs to make up (upto and including D3): 37
So, theoretically: 217 overs are still left in the game.

Normally, don't umpires ask for an early start to make up time? That might actually work well for us, as bowlers may get more help.

Even if we don't have an early start tomorrow: SAfricans could face up to 60-65 overs tomorrow, assuming they don't come off for bad light. I agree that they won't declare at that point but if things go well, they should have scored 200-210 which means the target is 360+. Durban has been notorious for pitches that remain placid even on day 5 after a difficult Day1. So, with Sydney in mind, Smith might want to bat a few more overs and take India out of the game.
But if weather reports are accurate, crucial time could be lost on D5. So, Smith may still take the gamble.

Looking at it pessimistically, it won't be to India's advt to have a start stop game, particularly in damp conditions.

The easier possibility for India to lose is if SA fold tomorrow with a lead of about 300. It wont be up to Smith to decide when to declare. India will either have to bat out a lot of overs on D4 and D5 or go for a victory. Frankly, I don't see both happening.

[justforkix]

Could I request you and kix to come back and re-confirm the above (draw most likely etc) -
A. end of fourth day
B. lunch of fifth day

I have a feeling that you will be saying things like: "#$##$%% how could they!?? It was a given that all they had to do was play nice and easy! #@$$$ can't believe we goofed it up from here".

Anyways - we will re-visit.
Same for kix.

BAH !!!! you even predicted Lankans will draw when they were ste a target of 600+ in 200 overs  . Is there even any logic in your predictions. You always predict against an Indian win, whatever be the situation or scenario without any logical reasoning.

[justforkix]

Max overs: 180
Overs to make up (upto and including D3): 37
So, theoretically: 217 overs are still left in the game.

Normally, don't umpires ask for an early start to make up time? That might actually work well for us, as bowlers may get more help.

Can make up only max of half hour each day. So 98 overs max on D4 and D5, i.e., total of 196 overs left in T2. Yes, there will be 1/2 hour early start of D4 and D5. 73, 60 and 61 overs have been bowled on D1, D2, D3. Unless it becomes bright and sunny on D4 and D5, a max of only 65 overs will be bowled.

Rest of your post. Good analysis. I agree.

[poondu]

With the way VRV is bowling, SA should take a big lead in less number of overs.

[toney]

With the way VRV is bowling, SA should take a big lead in less number of overs.

Thanks for the info about the 1/2 hr extra.

[fineleg]

Kix,
You may hold the past against me...but this match is certainly 75% in favor of SA at this point in time.
Let us watch how things unfold.

[fineleg]

Is the match starting 30 mins early today?

[Shukla]

Is the match starting 30 mins early today?

yup.

[achutank]

Kix,
You may hold the past against me...but this match is certainly 75% in favor of SA at this point in time.
Let us watch how things unfold.

yes suppose they get even 75 overs today and they score at 2.5 -2.8 an over they still get to 160+220 = 380. they declare. and then it maybe bangalore redux

[justforkix]

Kix,
You may hold the past against me...but this match is certainly 75% in favor of SA at this point in time.
Let us watch how things unfold.

Obviously match is in favor of SAF since they are 152/0 right now. that doesen't mean SA has 75% chance of winning. Considering the weather conditions, 70% is DRAW. 20% SAF Win. 10% Indian Win.

[Shukla]

since the tv umpire ian howell is on the field, who is the tv umpire now?

[achutank]

saroj khan, malaika arora and kunla kohli 

[Shukla]

saroj khan, malaika arora and kunla kohli 

[Shukla]

come on come on, lets gather boys...keep it tight
Last 10 ovs 52/0 RR 5.20

[fineleg]

come on come on, lets gather boys...keep it tight
Last 10 ovs 52/0 RR 5.20

Shukla-ji,
Get onto chat:
http://www.cricketvoice.com/cricketforum2/index.php?action=chat

[justforkix]

Has Sehwag been escorted to the airport and made sure that he's boaded the flight to India 

[dhruvdeepak]

poor tour for sehwag but he will still play in the next Test. i know why but i will not explain

[ruchir]

RD OUT !!!

[ruchir]

While we are concentrating on VS having a bad series, RD himself is having a horrible time.

49 runs in 4 innings, with 32 as highest score.

[justforkix]

RD OUT !!!

WHAT A RIDICULOUS DECISION by Rauf !!!!!!!!!! HUGE DAYLIGHT between bat and ball. Bat hit Pad.

[ruchir]

YEah... bat hit the pad... SA playing with 12 players.. 

[justforkix]

Bad Light Stops Play. End of Day 4. We have to play 60-65 overs on Day 5 to be 1-0 going to CapeTown.