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[ThankYouChappel]

jaat69, I posted this on a different thread -
This is JW and GC era - except some makeshift captaincy, both regimes has SG and RD as captain primarily -
Look at the record carefully and let us know, what is the difference between great captain/coach and evil and poor/mediocre captain and coach

Just for your reference.. here is the comparison between JW's and GC's ODI tenures - against meaningful oppsitions - think about possible scores in WI and decide whether old hands or new brigade gives you anything to chose from.. derive your conclusions-
P- Played
W/L - Win loss
T/NR - Tie /No results
HS/LS Highest by us/Lowest by us
MC/LC Most/Least conceded

                          P   W   L  T  NR    %  HS  LS  MC  LC BatAv BowAv R/6b C/6b

upto- 250(Either pitches has something for bowlers or we surrendered under pressure)

v Australia             9   0   9  0   0   0% 248 125 359 235  20.6  68.0 4.63 6.11
v England              9   4   5  0   0  44% 250 165 307 168  25.3  28.5 4.95 5.06
v New Zealand      12   3   8  0   1  27% 246 108 254 146  18.0  23.3 3.71 4.19
v Pakistan              7   0   7  0   0   0% 249 127 319 300  22.5  36.2 4.64 5.63
v South Africa        5   1   3  0   1  25% 236 183 282 192  21.2  38.1 4.38 4.68
v Sri Lanka            9   4   3  0   2  57% 227 174 295 181  28.9  26.8 4.16 4.45
v West Indies         7   5   2  0   0  71% 230 123 315 169  33.1  33.1 4.76 4.86

Net win 17- loss 37(we conceded 359 twice and quite a few 300+ even when we didnt make 250..)

above 250(it is inclusive of above 300 too)
v Australia            8   4   4  0   0  50% 315 265 347 181  42.1  32.2 5.80 5.83
v England              8   5   2  0   1  71% 326 250 325 168  41.5  34.0 5.68 5.32
v New Zealand       2   2   0  0   0 100% 353 353 264 208  77.5  27.7 6.48 4.86
v Pakistan             9   6   3  0   0  67% 356 281 344 194  44.7  36.5 6.34 5.97
v South Africa        3   2   1  0   0  67% 307 261 280 154  47.0  34.2 5.64 5.14
v Sri Lanka            4   3   1  0   0  75% 304 270 282 109  37.9  27.2 5.68 5.37
v West Indies        6   2   4  0   0  33% 325 260 324 191  37.1  48.8 5.84 5.94

win 24- loss 15

above 300
v Australia            2   2   0  0   0 100% 315 303 284 255  44.1  26.9 6.19 5.78
v England              1   1   0  0   0 100% 326   - 325 325  40.7  65.0 6.58 6.50
v New Zealand       1   1   0  0   0 100% 353 353 208 208  70.6  20.8 7.06 4.42
v Pakistan             4   2   2  0   0  50% 356 317 344 298  41.7  41.6 6.79 6.71
v South Africa        1   1   0  0   0 100% 307 307 154 154  76.7  15.4 6.14 4.42
v Sri Lanka            1   1   0  0   0 100% 304 304 241 241  30.4  24.1 6.08 5.45
v West Indies        1   1   0  0   0 100% 325   - 324 324  65.0  81.0 6.81 6.48
 win 9- loss 2 (2 chases were won)

Total 41-52

GC

below 250
v Australia            3   0   2  0   1   0% 249 195 252 213  20.8  29.5 4.70 4.95
v England              5   4   1  0   0  80% 238 203 237 125  26.8  21.7 4.62 4.52
v New Zealand       1   0   1  0   0   0% 164 164 215 215  16.4  21.5 4.39 4.98
v Pakistan             2   1   1  0   0  50% 197 197 201 161  23.9  25.8 4.35 4.00
v South Africa        8   2   6  0   0  25% 249  91 274 169  21.7  40.8 4.30 4.90
v Sri Lanka            6   3   2  0   1  60% 245 205 244 122  37.0  23.6 5.04 4.41
v West Indies         7   2   5  0   0  29% 245 162 255 146  24.7  28.2 4.51 4.41
win 12- loss 18


above 250
v England              2   2   0  0   0 100% 294 294 288 245  64.7  26.6 5.87 5.39
v New Zealand       2   1   1  0   0  50% 279 276 278 278  39.6  42.7 5.72 5.66
v Pakistan             5   4   1  0   0  80% 328 269 311 218  57.6  31.8 6.07 5.66
v Sri Lanka            5   3   2  0   0  60% 350 263 298 198  44.3  34.8 6.04 5.67
v West Indies        3   2   1  0   0  67% 309 262 255 255  58.9  38.0 5.69 5.62

win 12 - loss 5(Out of 17 matches, we conceded 300 only once.. mostly flat decks.. may be because of fielding)

above 300
v Pakistan             1   0   1  0   0   0% 328 328 311   -  32.8  44.4 6.60 6.61
v Sri Lanka            2   2   0  0   0 100% 350 350 298 198  65.3  35.4 6.79 5.78
v West Indies        1   0   1  0   0   0% 309 309 141   -  61.8  70.5 6.18 7.05

win 2, loss 2(both losses D/L)

Total 24-23

[Aloo Kashmiri Ul Haq]

man jaat you cry too much

[jaat69]

TYC, you don't need elaborate stats to prove, who is what.
That GC is living an extended life is well-known to all and sundry.
Don't worry, your deity will remain till the WC ( unlike some Aussies, Indians are not really unfair)!
It is not how many matches someone has lost or won, but rather how it has been won/lost.
All we have seen is GC winning against weaker oppositions/minnows/ or third grade teams( like the English team at home soil). Those victories have established GC's favorable stats, that you are throwing up to hide the obvious lacunae.
I appreciate RD's batting but I am not too keen on his watered-down captaincy.
He seems to much like an obedient pupil of a strict tutor. He can set a good example but he cannot inspire or fire up a team! ( I am not even going into his stats). We are all watching the matches on TV, and we know whats going on.
btw...this last victory at Jo'burg will do both of them a world of good.

[fineleg]

We don't need stats - too inconvenient for SG

[jaat69]

We don't need stats - too inconvenient for SG

Not really!. Its more the other way round.
http://specials.rediff.com/cricket/2006/nov/27sld1.htm

[inoc]

We don't need stats - too inconvenient for SG

Not really!. Its more the other way round.
http://specials.rediff.com/cricket/2006/nov/27sld1.htm

ah this is the famous PP induced statistical exercise which proves PP isnt a SG hater. thanks for the link jaat.

[MockTurtle]

TYC, you don't need elaborate stats to prove, who is what.
That GC is living an extended life is well-known to all and sundry.
Don't worry, your deity will remain till the WC ( unlike some Aussies, Indians are not really unfair)!
It is not how many matches someone has lost or won, but rather how it has been won/lost.
All we have seen is GC winning against weaker oppositions/minnows/ or third grade teams( like the English team at home soil). Those victories have established GC's favorable stats, that you are throwing up to hide the obvious lacunae.
I appreciate RD's batting but I am not too keen on his watered-down captaincy.
He seems to much like an obedient pupil of a strict tutor. He can set a good example but he cannot inspire or fire up a team! ( I am not even going into his stats). We are all watching the matches on TV, and we know whats going on.
btw...this last victory at Jo'burg will do both of them a world of good.

the credit for the latst victory goes to the TEAM(the 11 players who did the job on the field, not the tag-alongs throwing hexagonal balls) and Colonel for stepping in and stopping the march of the youth brigade. GC can take credit for not interfering or failing in his efforts to interfere.

[inoc]

TYC, you don't need elaborate stats to prove, who is what.
That GC is living an extended life is well-known to all and sundry.
Don't worry, your deity will remain till the WC ( unlike some Aussies, Indians are not really unfair)!
It is not how many matches someone has lost or won, but rather how it has been won/lost.
All we have seen is GC winning against weaker oppositions/minnows/ or third grade teams( like the English team at home soil). Those victories have established GC's favorable stats, that you are throwing up to hide the obvious lacunae.
I appreciate RD's batting but I am not too keen on his watered-down captaincy.
He seems to much like an obedient pupil of a strict tutor. He can set a good example but he cannot inspire or fire up a team! ( I am not even going into his stats). We are all watching the matches on TV, and we know whats going on.
btw...this last victory at Jo'burg will do both of them a world of good.

the credit for the latst victory goes to the TEAM(the 11 players who did the job on the field, not the tag-alongs throwing hexagonal balls) and Colonel for stepping in and stopping the march of the youth brigade. GC can take credit for not interfering or failing in his efforts to interfere.

agree

[jaat69]

Hmm......how long shall be suffer RD's stale captaincy?!
What difference has GC made to team-India?
Neither is it young or physically fit...nor winning and performing.
Unfit players are being hidden in the team.
GC must resign if he has any self-respect left.

[achutank]

jaat ab rehne bhi do, RD or SG i think we need to be "patriotic" or we will all be flagged by flute  and given 20 tongue lashings

[Cover Point]

Hmm......how long shall be suffer RD's stale captaincy?!
What difference has GC made to team-India?
Neither is it young or physically fit...nor winning and performing.
Unfit players are being hidden in the team.
GC must resign if he has any self-respect left.

Seeing how responsibbly Ganguly played while saving tests 2 and 3, yes make him the captain.

And this indeed is amazing even by Jaat standards. accusing GC for team being old.

Woh kya tha joke about the kid who kills his parents and asks the court for leniency on account of being an orphan!

[jaat69]

Hmm......how long shall be suffer RD's stale captaincy?!
What difference has GC made to team-India?
Neither is it young or physically fit...nor winning and performing.
Unfit players are being hidden in the team.
GC must resign if he has any self-respect left.

Seeing how responsibbly Ganguly played while saving tests 2 and 3, yes make him the captain.

And this indeed is amazing even by Jaat standards. accusing GC for team being old.

Woh kya tha joke about the kid who kills his parents and asks the court for leniency on account of being an orphan!

You are right there.............GC behaved like the kid that you mentioned in your joke!
First he removed talented match-winners from his team terming them as 'cancers'....and then when the expected results showed ...he came out with his famous excuse that 'India doesn't have enough talent'!
The best part abt GC's childish obsession is that he keeps repeating the same mistake.........makes no effort to learn on the way( but expects others to do so!)..............the latest is his obstinacy abt not playing Harbhajan...........but now he has cannily shifted all the blame on the Captain's shoulder!

[Poochandi]

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