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Smita Patil..
« on: December 14, 2006, 04:05:50 AM »
IMO, one of the most beautiful and sexiest Bollywood actress ever.... [Yes, she was my childhood crush!! I cant believe the dork - Raj Babbar - got her ;-)]
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Remembering Smita Patil

Dinesh Raheja | December 13, 2006 | 16:09 IST


Today, when a Chitrangada Singh,�a Smriti Mishra, a Seema Biswas or a Vidya Malvade, catches one's attention for her earthy sensuality and her keen sensitivity, it instantly brings forth images of their precursor, Smita Patil.

Today, when an off-beat film rides to fame on the current multiplex wave, it owes its debt to Smita Patil for being part of the quartet of actors (alongside Naseeruddin Shah, Shabana Azmi and Om Puri) who nurtured and cherished the art movement in its nascent stages in India.

Today, when any feminine character forges her own identity in Hindi cinema, it seems to reverberate with some echo from Smita's haul of strong-woman performances. And you wonder how the actress would have interpreted the role. �

Today, 20 years after she passed away due to complications from child birth on December 13, 1986, Smita Patil remains strikingly relevant.

Perhaps the word that describes Smita best is 'intense'. It is this blowtorch intensity which brands her forever into the minds of those who see her best films -- albeit even years later on DVD. There was so much that was quintessentially Smita. She had that rare blend of inner strength overlaid with outer frail femininity. One never predominated the other. Her dusky, aboriginal beauty helped her tremendously as an actress; but finally it was her ability to emotionally penetrate her characters that marked Smita as one of the best actresses Hindi cinema has ever known.

Smita before films

Born to idealistic parents, Smita grew up wanting to make a difference. Conventionality was not her long suit. While still graduating from college she took on the job as�newsreader on Mumbai television. Even then, she would pay heed to the rules but give them her own spin. Smita would wear jeans to the studio, but just before a telecast, wrap a saree over her upper body.

Smita won attention even on television. She was dusky but Indian society was emerging from its stereotypes. Commercial cinema sultan Manoj Kumar says he saw her on TV and predicted that 'this girl would be a very major actress one day.'

The first seven years of pure art cinema

Drawn to the visual arts, Smita made her debut in Shyam Benegal's childrens' film, Charandas Chor� in 1974. Fortunately for Smita, she entered films at a time when�there was a struggle brewing�against the shackles of commercial cinema. And Smita found she fitted right into the new idiom espoused by a select few.��

After Shyam Benegal had tested her with a supporting role in Nishant (1975), he cast her in the lead in Manthan where Smita seemed to merge right into her character of a rustic woman. But her tour de force came with Benegal's next film, Bhumika (1977), in which she portrayed a troubled actress. She won the National Award and the film established the arrival of a formidable talent.

Smita actively supported the art film movement. She was willing to act in unconventional regional films too and the result was some fine cinema like Jait Re Jait in Marathi and Bhavni Bhavai in Gujarati.

But while Smita had her own following among filmmakers, she felt hurt that certain art film directors did not cast her because she didn't have the reach that came with�commercial films,�something Smita had thus far stubbornly refused to do. So after remaining faithful to art cinema for seven long years, Smita went about creating a name for herself in Bollywood.

Smita's balancing act

For years, mainstream superstars like Amitabh and Vinod Khanna had been lavish in their praise for Smita. Powerful scriptwriters Salim-Javed had tried to get her to act in their films. Smita finally relented in the early 80s and�was flooded with films. Namak Halal and Shakti (both 1982) were opposite Amitabh Bachchan (she was part of the original cast of Silsila too) and these films immediately put Smita in the A-list.

But Smita was sadly indiscriminate in her choice of films�-- and the 80s was when Hindi cinema was churning out a lot of dross. Smita's�work in many of these films was erratic, but true to her nature�-- each performance was from her heart. �

The Shabana factor

Shabana and Smita were sisters under the skin who felt the same way about�a lot of things, but there was an undercurrent of sibling rivalry, heightened by the constant comparisons made between the two.

Smita's first feature�film Nishant itself pitted her against her senior Shabana. In the art film world they became direct competitors. After two films with Shabana, Benegal made two with Smita in the lead.�In this either-or situation, friction was obvious. Smita won her second National Award before Shabana; then Shabana won three in a row. So it went on. It carried into the commercial world. Both were favourites with Rajesh Khanna. But Shabana had never been cast opposite Bachchan till Smita was alive, and so people felt that Smita had stolen a march there.

In their films together, Mandi and especially Arth,�it was presumed that Shabana had won the round. In his bid to exorcise his personal demons Arth director Mahesh Bhatt told the story from the wife's point of view, but Smita's performance too came in for its share of praise. However, Shabana and Smita never worked together again.

In retrospect, pitting the two against each other�was�like finding a first among equals.

The people's person
Smita personal beliefs were reflected in the movies she chose. She played strong but all-too-human women who make tough life choices in a variety of movies like Umbartha (and its Hindi version Subah), Ardh Satya, Aaj Ki Awaaz, Akhir Kyon and especially the wonderful Mirch Masala, in which she stands up to male tyranny with a handful of well-directed�red pepper�powder.

Her marriage to the already-married Raj Babbar made many fans question her actions. Yet she�remained well-liked. I remember the time she didn't like the fact that a lady journalist was standing and sportingly shared her chair. Her friends in the industry called her Smee. From Jaya Bachchan to contemporaneous firebrands like�Amrita Singh, they cheered her awards, and she was honoured with a prestigious retrospective at the Cinematheque Francaise. �

Bollywood also admired her grit --�for taking part in a film industry morcha and walking in the sun when�she was eight months pregnant.

But all too soon, tragedy struck this actress' life. The industry was hosting a grand event called Hope 86�in December, 1986; the fateful night became a vigil for some when news filtered in that Smita was fighting for her life in a hospital.

Smita passed away that night, but her work continues to live on.
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Re: Smita Patil..
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2006, 06:06:59 AM »

Sublime and beautiful. One of the best of her ilk in the world. RIP. Thanks for posting this LN.
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Re: Smita Patil..
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2006, 06:07:35 AM »
Can u folks post some pics...
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« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2006, 06:14:48 AM »
She was the original all in one..Beauty, histrionics, oomph, sheer sizziling sexiness oozing from every pore of her body...at the same time she came across as a very genuine and committed person at least to her profession.

I can never every forget her role in Mirch Masala and Jait re Jait.
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« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2006, 06:24:02 AM »
NAH !!! She's not my Type  :)
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Re: Smita Patil..
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2006, 06:27:02 AM »
NAH !!! She's not my Type  :)

Same here, or thats what i remember...thats why i was asking folks to post some pics...

AFAIK, she wasn't my type either.
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« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2006, 06:36:41 AM »
Same here, or thats what i remember...thats why i was asking folks to post some pics...

AFAIK, she wasn't my type either.

So, why do you want pics then.... A few pics is not going to change my opinion. Anyways, beauty is in the eye of the beholder....
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Re: Smita Patil..
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2006, 06:37:35 AM »
Same here, or thats what i remember...thats why i was asking folks to post some pics...

AFAIK, she wasn't my type either.

So, why do you want pics then.... A few pics is not going to change my opinion. Anyways, beauty is in the eye of the beholder....

Just to make sure I remember correctly! Thats all. No big deal - it can be ignored. Ur prob right.
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« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2006, 01:41:24 PM »
Same here, or thats what i remember...thats why i was asking folks to post some pics...

AFAIK, she wasn't my type either.

So, why do you want pics then.... A few pics is not going to change my opinion. Anyways, beauty is in the eye of the beholder....

Just to make sure I remember correctly! Thats all. No big deal - it can be ignored. Ur prob right.
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Re: Smita Patil..
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2006, 02:52:46 PM »
Same here, or thats what i remember...thats why i was asking folks to post some pics...

AFAIK, she wasn't my type either.

So, why do you want pics then.... A few pics is not going to change my opinion. Anyways, beauty is in the eye of the beholder....

Just to make sure I remember correctly! Thats all. No big deal - it can be ignored. Ur prob right.
We should chalk this one to "generation gap" ..I assume jfk/fineleg, you guys are in the early 20s and CLR/sudzz like me are in the high 30s!
(I could not relate to some of my dad's generations beauties too)
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On the topic of beauty and sexiness - I know it is an individual thing and different traits appeal to different individuals...
As the author says there was a certain earthiness/rawness to Smita, which has its own unique appeal to people like me.
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« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2006, 03:12:40 PM »
We should chalk this one to "generation gap" ..I assume jfk/fineleg, you guys are in the early 20s and CLR/sudzz like me are in the high 30s!
(I could not relate to some of my dad's generations beauties too)

LN: Nope. I've still watched almost all the good movies from late 1950s onwards. So, there is no generation gap per say.

On the topic of beauty and sexiness - I know it is an individual thing and different traits appeal to different individuals...
As the author says there was a certain earthiness/rawness to Smita, which has its own unique appeal to people like me.

This I agree. That is what I said too in one of my above posts.
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« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2006, 04:07:43 PM »
ln ji (respect for the age),
Nothing to do with gen gap, just a problem of taste. :)
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Re: Smita Patil..
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2006, 04:12:31 PM »
i bet if smita patel was fair skinned, her pictures would be posted in the "forbidden to open in office" thread. just the indian mind set whatever, i am the youngest on the DG and i find her work, her looks, everything to do with her amazing.

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« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2006, 04:18:43 PM »
i bet if smita patel was fair skinned, her pictures would be posted in the "forbidden to open in office" thread. just the indian mind set whatever, i am the youngest on the DG and i find her work, her looks, everything to do with her amazing.



Rohan beta its not like that, and if you have seen the movie Chakra your room will be adorned with her pictures...the only reason why people have not posted her pictures is because very few good ones are available online given that she lived well before the internet era.
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Re: Smita Patil..
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2006, 04:20:35 PM »
i bet if smita patel was fair skinned, her pictures would be posted in the "forbidden to open in office" thread. just the indian mind set whatever, i am the youngest on the DG and i find her work, her looks, everything to do with her amazing.


Rohan beta,
I thought you were the only racist here (you hate blacks, to put it mildly, right?)

Naah, I dont think colour has anything to do with beauty. Most people of an older generation who still wanted fair brides for them (as well as for their sons today) consider Smita Patil in high esteem.
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Re: Smita Patil..
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2006, 04:23:00 PM »
i bet if smita patel was fair skinned, her pictures would be posted in the "forbidden to open in office" thread. just the indian mind set whatever, i am the youngest on the DG and i find her work, her looks, everything to do with her amazing.



Rohan beta its not like that, and if you have seen the movie Chakra your room will be adorned with her pictures...the only reason why people have not posted her pictures is because very few good ones are available online given that she lived well before the internet era.

her movies is all u have to see
and fineleg, aren't u a konkona "chunky" sen fan?
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« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2006, 04:23:51 PM »
i bet if smita patel was fair skinned, her pictures would be posted in the "forbidden to open in office" thread. just the indian mind set whatever, i am the youngest on the DG and i find her work, her looks, everything to do with her amazing.


Rohan beta,
I thought you were the only racist here (you hate blacks, to put it mildly, right?)

Naah, I dont think colour has anything to do with beauty. Most people of an older generation who still wanted fair brides for them (as well as for their sons today) consider Smita Patil in high esteem.

i meant african americans
most of my closest friends are africans - a kenyan and an ethiopian
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« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2006, 05:19:38 PM »
Thanks LN for posting this wonderful piece about Smita.
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« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2006, 05:36:43 PM »
ln ji (respect for the age),
Nothing to do with gen gap, just a problem of taste. :)
Ok, Toney sahib.

BTW, my dad was a big fan of Madhubala(who I think was a classic beauty), Asha Parekh(who I did not think was beautiful), Mumtaz(I can see why she would be considered sexy), Meena Kumari(yikes!) and Waheeda Rahman(who I did not like at all). I thought Zeenat was hot and Parveen Baby had that charming playfulness about her .. he did not. There ...see the gap! (I guess it is taste ..or different generations with different tastes?)
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« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2006, 06:38:03 PM »
Nothing to do with generation gap or age. Just taste and prob haven't seen her good pics...

Nothing to do with color either. I like sultry, dark ones like Bips, Nandita Das et.al.
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« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2006, 06:41:27 PM »
ln ji (respect for the age),
Nothing to do with gen gap, just a problem of taste. :)
Ok, Toney sahib.

BTW, my dad was a big fan of Madhubala(who I think was a classic beauty), Asha Parekh(who I did not think was beautiful), Mumtaz(I can see why she would be considered sexy), Meena Kumari(yikes!) and Waheeda Rahman(who I did not like at all). I thought Zeenat was hot and Parveen Baby had that charming playfulness about her .. he did not. There ...see the gap! (I guess it is taste ..or different generations with different tastes?)

Madhubala-WOW double WOW
Mumtaz-never liked her
Meena Kumari should have never been allowed to act-not on looks for sure
Waheed Rehma-Very good looking
Zeenat-Pert and hot-but sleazy over all
Parveen Babi-Classy


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« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2006, 07:14:19 PM »
ln ji (respect for the age),
Nothing to do with gen gap, just a problem of taste. :)
Ok, Toney sahib.

BTW, my dad was a big fan of Madhubala(who I think was a classic beauty), Asha Parekh(who I did not think was beautiful), Mumtaz(I can see why she would be considered sexy), Meena Kumari(yikes!) and Waheeda Rahman(who I did not like at all). I thought Zeenat was hot and Parveen Baby had that charming playfulness about her .. he did not. There ...see the gap! (I guess it is taste ..or different generations with different tastes?)

Madhubala-WOW double WOW
Mumtaz-never liked her
Meena Kumari should have never been allowed to act-not on looks for sure
Waheed Rehma-Very good looking
Zeenat-Pert and hot-but sleazy over all
Parveen Babi-Classy




Madhubala-WOW double WOW Agreed- very beautiful
Mumtaz-never liked her Agreed- only sexy for older generation, does nothing for the new one
Meena Kumari should have never been allowed to act-not on looks for sure; I think she was good looking-not sexy but not bad looking
Waheed Rehma-Very good looking; Good looking
Zeenat-Pert and hot-but sleazy over all; only focussed on certain parts of hers which were way better than any of her contemporaries
Parveen Babi-Classy; what sudzz- you can only say classy??? she was the sex bomb, wud have loved to do her right left and center any time

To add I never though Nargis was that attractive, Mala Sinha a big put-off and Bindu/Helen turn ons
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Re: Smita Patil..
« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2006, 07:20:16 PM »
ln ji (respect for the age),
Nothing to do with gen gap, just a problem of taste. :)
Ok, Toney sahib.

BTW, my dad was a big fan of Madhubala(who I think was a classic beauty), Asha Parekh(who I did not think was beautiful), Mumtaz(I can see why she would be considered sexy), Meena Kumari(yikes!) and Waheeda Rahman(who I did not like at all). I thought Zeenat was hot and Parveen Baby had that charming playfulness about her .. he did not. There ...see the gap! (I guess it is taste ..or different generations with different tastes?)

Madhubala-WOW double WOW
Mumtaz-never liked her
Meena Kumari should have never been allowed to act-not on looks for sure
Waheed Rehma-Very good looking
Zeenat-Pert and hot-but sleazy over all
Parveen Babi-Classy




Sudzz, again its a matter of taste.....see Mumu is Firoze khan's Apradh. Absolute crap movie but look at Mumu. For Zeenie baby (thats what the columnists called her), I would have just stopped at pert and hot.
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« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2006, 08:18:22 PM »
ln ji (respect for the age),
Nothing to do with gen gap, just a problem of taste. :)
Ok, Toney sahib.

BTW, my dad was a big fan of Madhubala(who I think was a classic beauty), Asha Parekh(who I did not think was beautiful), Mumtaz(I can see why she would be considered sexy), Meena Kumari(yikes!) and Waheeda Rahman(who I did not like at all). I thought Zeenat was hot and Parveen Baby had that charming playfulness about her .. he did not. There ...see the gap! (I guess it is taste ..or different generations with different tastes?)

Madhubala-WOW double WOW
Mumtaz-never liked her
Meena Kumari should have never been allowed to act-not on looks for sure
Waheed Rehma-Very good looking
Zeenat-Pert and hot-but sleazy over all
Parveen Babi-Classy




Madhubala-WOW double WOW Agreed- very beautiful
Mumtaz-never liked her Agreed- only sexy for older generation, does nothing for the new one
Meena Kumari should have never been allowed to act-not on looks for sure; I think she was good looking-not sexy but not bad looking
Waheed Rehma-Very good looking; Good looking
Zeenat-Pert and hot-but sleazy over all; only focussed on certain parts of hers which were way better than any of her contemporaries
Parveen Babi-Classy; what sudzz- you can only say classy??? she was the sex bomb, wud have loved to do her right left and center any time

To add I never though Nargis was that attractive, Mala Sinha a big put-off and Bindu/Helen turn ons
Zeenat aur sleazy..kya bol rahe hai aap sudzz sahib!!
Suraj: Nargis - very ordinary. Helen ----oooommmph!!
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« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2006, 08:27:34 PM »
ln ji (respect for the age),
Nothing to do with gen gap, just a problem of taste. :)
Ok, Toney sahib.

BTW, my dad was a big fan of Madhubala(who I think was a classic beauty), Asha Parekh(who I did not think was beautiful), Mumtaz(I can see why she would be considered sexy), Meena Kumari(yikes!) and Waheeda Rahman(who I did not like at all). I thought Zeenat was hot and Parveen Baby had that charming playfulness about her .. he did not. There ...see the gap! (I guess it is taste ..or different generations with different tastes?)

Madhubala-WOW double WOW
Mumtaz-never liked her
Meena Kumari should have never been allowed to act-not on looks for sure
Waheed Rehma-Very good looking
Zeenat-Pert and hot-but sleazy over all
Parveen Babi-Classy




Madhubala-WOW double WOW Agreed- very beautiful
Mumtaz-never liked her Agreed- only sexy for older generation, does nothing for the new one
Meena Kumari should have never been allowed to act-not on looks for sure; I think she was good looking-not sexy but not bad looking
Waheed Rehma-Very good looking; Good looking
Zeenat-Pert and hot-but sleazy over all; only focussed on certain parts of hers which were way better than any of her contemporaries
Parveen Babi-Classy; what sudzz- you can only say classy??? she was the sex bomb, wud have loved to do her right left and center any time

To add I never though Nargis was that attractive, Mala Sinha a big put-off and Bindu/Helen turn ons
Zeenat aur sleazy..kya bol rahe hai aap sudzz sahib!!
Suraj: Nargis - very ordinary. Helen ----oooommmph!!

Yaar with Zeenat some how the whole package did not seem to work for me...I know she was ultra sexy and hot and all that but somehow i always felt she was cheap...

Suraj...Mala Sinha though a put off had huge knockers..LOL
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