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[colonel]

I just saw the ICC list of all time great batsmen:

(1) Don Bradman

(2) Len Hutton

(3) Jack Hobbs

(4) Peter May

(5) Ricky Ponting

(6) Gary Sobers

(7) Viv Richards

( Clyde Walcott

(9) MNatthew Hayden

(10) Mohd. Yusuf

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006%5C12%5C05%5Cstory_5-12-2006_pg2_4

No Sunny? No Sachin? No Lara? Ridiculous! Your comments?

[sgusa]

Matt Hayden ? Surely they jest!

[colonel]

my feelings exactly. who the f--- comes up with these lists?

[CLR James]

Clyde Walcott would probably have a heart attack to see his name mentioned above George Headley. And Peter May? From which direction is he better than Sunny/Lara/Sachin?

[toney]

I heard somewhere that this is based on points accumulated through some kind of ranking system. Cricinfo reported (a single line somewhere) that Yousuf made it to the ICC top ranked (all time ) players' list. So, this isnt as big a deal as people (Pak people) make it out to be.

[kban1]

No SMG, No Lara, No SRT

Ponting above Richards & Sobers

Peter May ??

Hayden & Mohd Yousuf  but No sign of Border, Greg Chapell, Steve Waugh, Miandad, Inzi, Dravid ??

What  a joke !!!

[ruchir]

Clyde Walcott would probably have a heart attack to see his name mentioned above George Headley. And Peter May? From which direction is he better than Sunny/Lara/Sachin?

From the direction ICC is looking at him. Which is usually slanted as they look through their ass, where their head is burried most of the times....

[justforkix]

Reading the article, it seems like the rating and ranking will keep changing. So, another 2-3 100s by Punter in the Ashes will probably make him topple Don 

[dextrous]

Hayden, Yousouf, May...did a Pakistani, Australian, and English relative of the three serve on the committee?

[dhruvdeepak]

its not a committee, its based on some funky points system

[CLR James]

True. I just have to place the Don on top, Sobers somewhere in the middle and develop any criteria whatsoever to justify whoever fills up the other 8 places.

BTW, Mohd. Yusuf averages 33 in Australia, 34 in India, 18.33 in SA, 21.25 in SL. Of course that is offset by 69.75 in West Indies (what West Indies?), 65.08 versus England (as far as rankings are concerned, this is key), 69 plus in NZ (Not against Bond though; Daryl Tuffey, of 66 wickets in 22 tests, is the best he faced), 276 in Bangladesh, and 58.14 in Zim.

[Cernunnos]

I think this is the formerly known as PWC rankings. This list shows the highest peak ratings, not a mean career rating.

I have a good deal of respect for the PWC ratings. Unfortunately even this ranking system gets screwed in this age of flat tracks/weak attacks. I think any ranking system will fail when we compare across eras. However this is a good rating to compare players within an era.

[feverpitch]

No Dada?

This rating system sucks big time!

 

[poondu]

Latest ICC Ratings

Pietersen surges up ICC rankings 
 
Pietersen averaged 79 after the first three Tests of the Ashes series
Kevin Pietersen has become the highest-rated England batsman for 41 years after moving up to third in the International Cricket Council ratings.
Pietersen made his Test debut in the 2005 Ashes and has scored a century and three fifties in the current series.

He has moved above Michael Vaughan's best grade in 2003 and is now the seventh highest English batsman, with 896 points, one below Wally Hammond.

Australia captain Ricky Ponting remain top of the latest world list.

Pakistan run machine Mohammad Yousuf is in second place, with Sri Lankan Kumar Sangakkara moving up to fifth following his 268-run haul from four innings in the series in New Zealand.

Young England batsmen Ian Bell and Alastair Cook, plus Australian Michael Clarke, move into the top-20.

In the bowling rankings, Muttiah Muralitharan stays out in front, and is only two points short of his best ever rating of 915, achieved in 2002.

Australian Stuart Clark is included in the top-20 for the first time, while evergreen spinner Anil Kumble moves up three places to fifth.



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All-time England Test batting rankings:

1 Len Hutton 945, March 1954
2 Jack Hobbs 942, August 1912
3 Peter May 941, August 1956
4 Denis Compton 917, July 1948
5 Ken Barrington 914, July 1965
6 Wally Hammond 897, March 1933
7 Kevin Pietersen 896, December 2006
8 Herbert Sutcliffe 888, December 1932
9 Michael Vaughan 876, January 2003
10 Colin Cowdrey 874, June 1958

Leading Test batting rankings:

1 R Ponting (Aus) 940 (best 942, 2006)
2 M Yousuf (Pkn) 933 (best 933, 2006)
3 K Pietersen (Eng) 896 (best 896, 2006)
4 R Dravid (Ind) 865 (best 892, 2005)
5 K Sangakkara (SL) 857 (best 857, 2006)
6 M Hussey (Aus) 835 (best 835, 2006)
7 B Lara (WI) 801 (best 911, 2004)
8 J Kallis (SA) 792 (best 896, 2005)
9 Younis Khan (Pkn) 786 (best 856, 2006)
10 M Hayden (Aus) 771 (best 935, 2002)

Leading Test bowling rankings:

1 M Muralitharan (SL) 913 (best 915, 2002)
2 M Ntini (SA) 824 (best 847, 2006)
3 G McGrath (Aus) 820 (best 914, 2001)
4 S Warne (Aus) 782 (best 905, 1994)
5 A Kumble (Ind) 753 (best 859, 1994)
6 M Hoggard (Eng) 746 (best 795, 2006)
7 S Bond (NZ) 722 (best 778, 2006)
8 A Flintoff (Eng) 712 (best 810, 2005)
9 S Akhtar (Pkn) 700 (best 855, 2003)
10 S Pollock (SA) 697 (best 909, 1999)

 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/england/6196735.stm

[proloy]

I have no faith in a list of all time great batsmen which does not have Afridi in it.