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[hastalavistababy]

I have not been seeing THANKYOUCHAPPEL being logged in for some times. Did he change his user id.

[caught and bowled]

Thats not true.....I saw him logged on today for quite some time. However I like your "innocent" question. This indeed is the height of innocence!!!!

[kban1]

I deleted the response because I did not think it was appropriate to refer to someone as a pimp.

Having said that, I am going to delete the responses using the same usage.

[bala]

Kban -

This is utterly ridiculous.
It is okay to have "pimp" in your username and call harsha a pimp, but not have a question with "pimp" in it?

Man..big brother is watching.
Perhaps you should delete this post because it has the word pimp in it

[dextrous]

Kban -

This is utterly ridiculous.
It is okay to have "pimp" in your username and call harsha a pimp, but not have a question with "pimp" in it?

Man..big brother is watching.
Perhaps you should delete this post because it has the word pimp in it

Eh, only Harsha isn't part of the forum. Also, your claim of big brothers are utterly ridiculous given that everyone has got protection from that sort of name-calling on the forum...

[bala]

Eh..Is Ganguly a part of this forum? Can I call him a pimp?

I saw cover point's post - there was no name calling there

[bouncer]

Talking about Harsha, where is he these days?

I guess his much-vaunted new India is not doing that well!  When you are pimping for someone as a journalist, you end up putting foot in your mouth!

[inoc]

Talking about Harsha, where is he these days?

I guess his much-vaunted new India is not doing that well!  When you are pimping for someone as a journalist, you end up putting foot in your mouth!

hes writing for espn-star. somebody posted a link here. i will try and find it for you.

try this.

[kban1]

sorry bala:

CP and I have had a discussion before about this. It is my opinion that calling a person a pimp is probably not the best way to address another DGian --this leads to fights and ill feeling.

The person's nickname of "gcspimpharsha" is perfectly ok to use to address the person, not selecting a portion of that name such that it sounds derogatory.

By that token achutank's name could be shortened to mean something bad (as a matter of fact it has been done) as can yours, not to mention several others' names. And for the record, CP has received similar protection when his name has been made fun of.

So the standards here are pretty uniform.

It is unfortunate that you feel big brother is watching, but this is my judgment as a moderator.  Also, I am not going to discuss this anymore on an open thread -- this is not a public trial of anyone, and it certainly will not be allowed to turn into one, unlike threads past.

[k-slice]

great proactive action on the part of the mods. applause coming(i know it doesnt matter to you dex but it might balance out the one smite a day i have been giving you and kban). as for actions and name calling, can someone also increase the coverage of actions to coaches being called dickheads etc?

[Cover Point]

I did not call GCSPIMPHARSHA a pimp.

my statement was different!

anyway too busy to get into it at this time.

[toney]

The userID of the person in question is GCSPIMPHARSHA. Just like I would use somebody else's username to address him (such as Hi kban) or even abbreviated forms such as jfk or lnow, how wuld we address this particular guy? The username he chose is too long. But it is anyhow the user's own opinion that he is "GC's pimp Harsha". If that is the case, why can't others call him pimp for short? I address him as gch, i think. But pimp sounds a lot easier and it seems from the user's choice that he doesn't mind.

kban,
Your reasoning that other names (such as achutank) can be shortened to make it abusive doesnt make sense here. Achutank did not intend that his name stand for what you meant (I am guessing that you mean the chut part?) or that his name be shortened thus. In this case, the username has only one meaning, GC's Pimp Harsha. And usernames are supposed to indicate who/what a person is. Why cant GC's Pimp Harsha himself come and say what he feels about it? Why should you be doing the defense part? I know you are the moderator but I dont think GC's Pimp Harsha has ever shown his disagreement, at least in public. In fact, in spite of his views on Indian cricket which are very different from mine, I have never seen him react (again in public, dont know if he sang to the mods) in a disagreeable manner even when repeatedly taunted.

As for me personally, ever since that private warning from you, kban, I reluctantly abbreviated his name rather than call him pimp. I dont buy your reasoning one bit because I dont understand why a person's own choice for a name cannot be used.

[kban1]

toney:

if one has to shorten, one can use GCPH or GCP or whatever. I am not defending anyone here (GCPH for example), nor am I castigating anyone here (CP for example).

You might disagree with me here wrt the versions of a person's name that can be used to call him and you are entitled to that POV. While not disagreeing with the basic premise (interpretations of  a persons name to create different nicknames), I am disagreeing with you about whether or not some nicks might be considered offensive.

I am saying that in my judgment as a mod, references like these are best avoided. GCPH may not have objected so far but what is there to prevent him from objecting the next time --once he determines that his threshold for absorbption is past, this could well escalate into name calling as it did in the case of achutank (yes someone did twist the name in exactly the way you deduced).

My job as moderator is to sometimes make sure that such fights do not erupt -- instead of bolting the stable door after the horse has escaped, I need to ensure that the situation does not escalate.

I hope this makes sense --there is nothing personal against or in favor of anyone here (same goes for what you and I talked about in the past, although I would not phrase that as a warning).

[toney]

kban,
I know how you reasoned this out. And no, I am not suggesting that you are being partial to any one guy. I will let this go. In any case, I have my own short form for him.

I completely agree with this:

I am saying that in my judgment as a mod, references like these are best avoided.

But I do think it applies to gch as well who will do well to choose a different username for himself.

[Cover Point]

Kban, we have talked about this before and in person. If Pimp is a bad word and referring to someone as pimp is bad then he should not have that in his name

his name is GC's PIMP HARSHA. Achutank is NOT referring to A Tank as a C&^% or whateverwhatever. Thats the difference.

its his name NOT His view that harsha is GC's pimp. If he uses Pimp in its original meaning in the name, then i dont want anyone deleting my posts that dont even address him directly!

What did I say that got deleted? something about "How innocent are pimps?"

Infact, we are in our proper rights to refer to this handle as PIMP as a short form of his name.

People can refer to me as Cover or Point as these are two sep parts of my handle. PIMP is a distinct part of his name USED in that manner! Its not random letters that just happen to form that name.

this isnt a public trial or anything. Neither do u need to defend ur actions. But hereupon I will make it a point to definitely refer to him as 'Pimp". Nothing wrong in that as far as I understand.

[dave_dj]

Kban, we have talked about this before and in person. If Pimp is a bad word and referring to someone as pimp is bad then he should not have that in his name

his name is GC's PIMP HARSHA. Achutank is NOT referring to A Tank as a C&^% or whateverwhatever. Thats the difference.

its his name NOT His view that harsha is GC's pimp. If he uses Pimp in its original meaning in the name, then i dont want anyone deleting my posts that dont even address him directly!

What did I say that got deleted? something about "How innocent are pimps?"

Infact, we are in our proper rights to refer to this handle as PIMP as a short form of his name.

People can refer to me as Cover or Point as these are two sep parts of my handle. PIMP is a distinct part of his name USED in that manner! Its not random letters that just happen to form that name.

this isnt a public trial or anything. Neither do u need to defend ur actions. But hereupon I will make it a point to definitely refer to him as 'Pimp". Nothing wrong in that as far as I understand.

dusra thread tereko thanks diya na - abhi ye bachpana bandh kar.

[caught and bowled]

Bilkul barabar. Khopdi thanda rakh bhidu, kayku khali phukat upar nicche karrela hai

[kban1]

CP:

But hereupon I will make it a point to definitely refer to him as 'Pimp". Nothing wrong in that as far as I understand.

Please do so with the complete understanding that I shall edit out / delete every such post.

[Cover Point]

CP:

But hereupon I will make it a point to definitely refer to him as 'Pimp". Nothing wrong in that as far as I understand.

Please do so with the complete understanding that I shall edit out / delete every such post.

And that would be very very unfair. Nuff said on that!

[ruchir]

KBAN -- Congrats for reaching 500 applauses....

Here is Ann giving you a Kiss....

[kban1]

Ruchir:

Thanks.

On a different note, where do you get pics of Coulter from anyways ? Seems like you have quite a collection

[kban1]

CP:

let me try to see if this makes sense to you -- one more shot at it.

People use monikers  --from bands to groups to singers to artists to people on a forum -- sometimes to convey a statement. Sometimes that moniker is a political statement, sometimes it is one that resembles a wish, sometimes it is predicated on a hero, and sometimes it is an expression of protest / disgust / delight.

For example, gcspimpharsha is an expression of disgust (according to the owner of the moniker) for harshas role in the Zim  episode. Just as another example, Thankyouchappel is an expression of delight at the coach's role in ousting Ganguly from the team.

To extrapolate from that moniker to refer to someone with a word that is derogatory is not the best way to go about it. After all your moniker is Cover Point, an expression which resembles a fielding positiion and is in many ways apt for a cricket DG.

But for someone to break up your moniker and use the hindi translation of the same (Cover = Dhakkan) offends you because it seems derogatory to you. On such occasions, you protested and we listened and then forbade the other person from repeating the same insult.

In this case, the moniker "gcspimpharsha" means something --it is a direct indictment of harsha. To choose the pimp out of that phrase and to use it to refer to a person (this is not an isolated instance) might be considered offensive by the person concerned as well as others.

Semantics of your exact words aside, your usage leaves very little room for doubt about who you are referring to, and in my opinion (and I would say in the opinion of some others too), that is a harsh indictment of a person's character just because (and in spite of me guessing here, I would venture that this is a pretty much on the money) you happen to disagree with the opinion that this person's moniker represents.

You do not know this guy and your reference to him as a pimp is improper, IMO. Quite similar to someone else's reference to you as dhakkan or KDP being improper.

The monikers reference to harsha is not a personal attack on you, so it does not justify a personal attack on the member's person / character.

Having known you personally, I also know that most of your comments are in jest. You are mature enough on most occasions to laugh off incidents and take things quite lighly. So it is entirely possible that you think this is
1) a good way to have some fun
2) That you are doing nothing wrong since you are exercising free speech.

Point1:
Might I suggest that you consider the alternative  --that is that the subject of your humor might not be as willing to accept it as such. After all, jaat's defense was that he said whatever he did as humor too.

Yes it is true that GCPH has not objected so far, but what is the guarantee that repeated such comments will not exhaust his patience ?

And if that happens --then what ?

What if GCPH retaliates in kind ? Will not some people (doesnt have to be you, could be a third person who is sick and tired of fighting) ask me to take action against GCPH then ?

Or what if GCPH asks me to take action against you ? And what if we do ? You would not like that -- we would be rehashing the same arguments then but with greater issues at stake because the problem would have been escalated. Pretty soon we would have another trial in public with another thread vying for first place with the clique thread ?

In all this spare a thought for me or dex or the other mods. Just like you, we come here to have some fun and indulge in our passion - cricket. Do you really think we enjoy getting involved in gights, reprimanding, warning or banning people ? 

This, I believe is also the appropriate segue way to Point 2:
Which is that every right comes with some responsibilities. The right to free speech should not be exercisd without responsibilities.

Please understand that your humor or expression as expressed here has every possibility of leading to a fight, unpleasant feelings, turning off third parties as well as making the mods' tasks very hard. Just as you come here for fun, so do we -- it is not too much to ask to exercise some reasonable restraint.

I hope you see this from a mature perspective rather than the rather fixed one which led you to say that you would definitely refer to him as a pimp. The former allows for coexistence, the latter forces the mods hand into editing posts (again not a pleasant duty) aside from dousing potential fires which have no business in being lit in the first place.

[Jai]

After going through this thread, all I can say is that 'It's hard out there for a pimp.'

[Cover Point]

CP:

let me try to see if this makes sense to you -- one more shot at it.

People use monikers  --from bands to groups to singers to artists to people on a forum -- sometimes to convey a statement. Sometimes that moniker is a political statement, sometimes it is one that resembles a wish, sometimes it is predicated on a hero, and sometimes it is an expression of protest / disgust / delight.

For example, gcspimpharsha is an expression of disgust (according to the owner of the moniker) for harshas role in the Zim  episode. Just as another example, Thankyouchappel is an expression of delight at the coach's role in ousting Ganguly from the team.

To extrapolate from that moniker to refer to someone with a word that is derogatory is not the best way to go about it. After all your moniker is Cover Point, an expression which resembles a fielding positiion and is in many ways apt for a cricket DG.

But for someone to break up your moniker and use the hindi translation of the same (Cover = Dhakkan) offends you because it seems derogatory to you. On such occasions, you protested and we listened and then forbade the other person from repeating the same insult.

In this case, the moniker "gcspimpharsha" means something --it is a direct indictment of harsha. To choose the pimp out of that phrase and to use it to refer to a person (this is not an isolated instance) might be considered offensive by the person concerned as well as others.

Semantics of your exact words aside, your usage leaves very little room for doubt about who you are referring to, and in my opinion (and I would say in the opinion of some others too), that is a harsh indictment of a person's character just because (and in spite of me guessing here, I would venture that this is a pretty much on the money) you happen to disagree with the opinion that this person's moniker represents.

You do not know this guy and your reference to him as a pimp is improper, IMO. Quite similar to someone else's reference to you as dhakkan or KDP being improper.

The monikers reference to harsha is not a personal attack on you, so it does not justify a personal attack on the member's person / character.

Having known you personally, I also know that most of your comments are in jest. You are mature enough on most occasions to laugh off incidents and take things quite lighly. So it is entirely possible that you think this is
1) a good way to have some fun
2) That you are doing nothing wrong since you are exercising free speech.

Point1:
Might I suggest that you consider the alternative  --that is that the subject of your humor might not be as willing to accept it as such. After all, jaat's defense was that he said whatever he did as humor too.

Yes it is true that GCPH has not objected so far, but what is the guarantee that repeated such comments will not exhaust his patience ?

And if that happens --then what ?

What if GCPH retaliates in kind ? Will not some people (doesnt have to be you, could be a third person who is sick and tired of fighting) ask me to take action against GCPH then ?

Or what if GCPH asks me to take action against you ? And what if we do ? You would not like that -- we would be rehashing the same arguments then but with greater issues at stake because the problem would have been escalated. Pretty soon we would have another trial in public with another thread vying for first place with the clique thread ?

In all this spare a thought for me or dex or the other mods. Just like you, we come here to have some fun and indulge in our passion - cricket. Do you really think we enjoy getting involved in gights, reprimanding, warning or banning people ? 

This, I believe is also the appropriate segue way to Point 2:
Which is that every right comes with some responsibilities. The right to free speech should not be exercisd without responsibilities.

Please understand that your humor or expression as expressed here has every possibility of leading to a fight, unpleasant feelings, turning off third parties as well as making the mods' tasks very hard. Just as you come here for fun, so do we -- it is not too much to ask to exercise some reasonable restraint.

I hope you see this from a mature perspective rather than the rather fixed one which led you to say that you would definitely refer to him as a pimp. The former allows for coexistence, the latter forces the mods hand into editing posts (again not a pleasant duty) aside from dousing potential fires which have no business in being lit in the first place.

Itni choti baat ke liye itna lamba response. Kya re? Anyway I think its basically wrong to allow GCPH to continue to use pimp in its original and intended form when we have a problem with the referral of pimp. But we will let it go and we will close this matter.

Yes u are right. this guy annoys me with his slanted view of everything, but in fairness he does have a right to his convoluted views.

No. Not worth getting into fights (even though Dexy did call me Dhakkan and maine use kuch bhi nahin bola )

[ruchir]

Ruchir:

Thanks.

On a different note, where do you get pics of Coulter from anyways ? Seems like you have quite a collection

You are the Pitamah. Anything for you. 

[ThankYouChappel]

I am here BTW.Reading everything and posting nothing because I have too much to say and too little time to type. But I will and with all the statistics and such..

[dave_dj]

I am here BTW.Reading everything and posting nothing because I have too much to say and too little time to type. But I will and with all the statistics and such..

Good to see you.  How is Sunnyvale?

[k-slice]

pimpin aint easy.. but someones gotta do it!

[LosingNow]

After going through this thread, all I can say is that 'It's hard out there for a pimp.'

Eggjacktly.. that song kept coming to mind as i read the thread

[dhruvdeepak]

i find ppl calling me "DD" offensive to women and will not tolerate it anymore 

[Cover Point]

i find ppl calling me "DD" offensive to women and will not tolerate it anymore 

Did not know u were a woman. Are u one of GCPH's employees? Are u hot?