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Match report- India vs WI tri series
« on: September 20, 2006, 03:19:34 PM »
After looking at the various posts of the deserters  ;D who did not follow the match, here is  a brief report on the match:

Indian innings:

Dwayne Smith continued where Johnson had left off when rain intervened in the last match. Rather you could say the Indian batsmen duplicated their performance again WI with each of the top order batsman in a hurry to follow the other back to the pavilion.

RD was flummoxed by Smith giving a simple catch to Baughand they must have been serving special paranthas in the pavilion because VS followed soon being  bowled by Smith. Raina edged a good outswinger to Gayle while Yuvi seems to be trying to get too cute in his batting style and edged one to the wkt keeper.
So we had lost the top 4 within the first 10 odd overs for  a measly 38. While there was something in the pitch for the bowlers- Smith is definitely not a Michael Holding that Indian batsmen made him in this match.

Dhoni played his customary aggressive knock but when a compulsive hitter like Kapil Dev calls his shot "crap" there must be something wrong with it. Already down 4 wkts with plenty of overs left Dhoni went to hoist one out of the ground and was bowled in a most embarassing fashion. Bravo just used his effective slower ball tool to outfox AA leaving India in doldrums at 78.

The one difference between the Aussies and WI bowling ended up being the wicket of SRT. While wkts fell at one end SRT just watched at the other. Fortunatley Bhajji came as an able support and provided the only partnership worth being labelled a fightback. They mised caution with aggression to take the score form 78-6 to 156 before HS snicked a Gayle delivery into the hands of the keeper.

SRT meanwhile looked in full control and India was hoping that he could carry the team to 200. But RP Singh hit one straight and the ball deflected through bowler Samuels' fingers to leave SRT stranded of the crease as he was backing up. To make matters worst SS was run out too going for an unneccesary third run after RPS was bowled by Gayle and indian innings folded at 162.

WI innings:

WI started with caution and the match looked all but over at tea break when Windies were 44-0 but then a collapse followed marked by some tight but not brilliant bowling by Indians  and indifferent if not pathetic batting display by Windies.

Chanderpaul might have an excuse that he was surprised by a short ball and Morton was caught behind from a great delivery by Munaf Patel. MP bowled really well and was supported by other bowlers as SS got Morton caught behind & AA and umpiring conspired to get Samuels LBW off an inside edge.

Dwayne Smith blasted 3 fours in a row but was also (this time legitimately) out LBW to AA soon. Gayle was consumed LBW by RP Singh looking very callous in his shot. Bravo mantained an unneccesary aggressive attitude and after being dropped by Munaf was out very next ball caught out of his crease by Dhoni off HS.

If Indians thought that victory was all theirs- Lara quickly brought back the fight and looked masterly in his batting. No doubt if he came at his regular spot India would have been in bigger trouble. hS meanwhile was creating all sorts of trouble for other batsmen and put Hinds out of his misery thorugh caught and bowled after beating hin on 4 succesive deliveries.

WI batting looked deep as Lara and Bough tried to secure a victory but it was Bhajji again who struck and finally Dravid was able to hold on to one instead of sharing a catch with Dhoni. Only Lara stood between the Indians and a victory but the Indian bowlers waited their time to get the other batsman Collymore (LBW) to snatch a victory.

Eventually it was a good bowling effort from the Indians but still more of a WI loss rather than an Indian victory. WI did not look sharp in batting except for Lara who came in too late to secure a victory as he ran out of partners. Thye will definitely be tougher and less indifferent in the next outing without the comfort of a secured finals birth behind them.


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Re: Match report- India vs WI tri series
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2006, 03:28:20 PM »
Thank you for the wonderful match summary for deserters  ;D like me.

Applause for a job well done!!  ;) ;)
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Re: Match report- India vs WI tri series
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2006, 03:30:55 PM »
Thank you for the wonderful match summary for deserters  ;D like me.

Applause for a job well done!!  ;) ;)

Thanks kban

BTW can someone rescue SGusa- he passed out during the match and is still in the chat room ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Match report- India vs WI tri series
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2006, 03:35:58 PM »
Suraj: Mega applause for a concise and effective match report. [Who says that one cannot be brief and still deliver the message? ;D ;D]. Thanks for staying up late...and cheering the boyz.
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Re: Match report- India vs WI tri series
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2006, 03:37:40 PM »
Suraj, well done.
Kban, you deserter ;D now you will have to be punished. Ruchir will bring the handcuffs and whips and do the necessary
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Re: Match report- India vs WI tri series
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2006, 03:38:10 PM »
Suraj: Mega applause for a concise and effective match report. [Who says that one cannot be brief and still deliver the message? ;D ;D]. Thanks for staying up late...and cheering the boyz.


LN thanks but might have to report you for making snide subtle remarks abt Pitamah. This is unacceptable specially since I have been collaborating with him recently to usurp a certain Dean's post ;D ;D
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Re: Match report- India vs WI tri series
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2006, 03:43:58 PM »

Thanks kban

BTW can someone rescue SGusa- he passed out during the match and is still in the chat room ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Ha ha ha ha... those Belgian high alcohol content beers. He was quite tipsy at the first bottle, I hope he didnt go the distance with his "new found" six-pack. ;D ;D
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Re: Match report- India vs WI tri series
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2006, 03:58:56 PM »
How fast was Munaf bowling in this match ? Was watching an interview of his and he was mumbling about him making a decision to sacrifice pace for accuracy  ::) I hope we dont have to scratch another fast bolwer :(
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Re: Match report- India vs WI tri series
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2006, 04:01:54 PM »
How fast was Munaf bowling in this match ? Was watching an interview of his and he was mumbling about him making a decision to sacrifice pace for accuracy  ::) I hope we dont have to scratch another fast bolwer :(

kingcool- not sure wht the radar gun said but he mainly aimed for accuracy and was not bowling very fast except for a few surprise deliveries
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Re: Match report- India vs WI tri series
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2006, 04:06:03 PM »
LN:

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Who says that one cannot be brief and still deliver the message?  ;D ;D 


One swallow does not a summer make --the devil's still in the details.

On a separate note, pange le rahe ho ? Wait till this weeks football picks and see how your picks get changed mysteriously  ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2006, 04:07:43 PM »
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Re: Match report- India vs WI tri series
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2006, 04:19:41 PM »

Thanks kban

BTW can someone rescue SGusa- he passed out during the match and is still in the chat room ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Ha ha ha ha... those Belgian high alcohol content beers. He was quite tipsy at the first bottle, I hope he didnt go the distance with his "new found" six-pack. ;D ;D

I did go the distance. I am not a cut and runner.

See, i was trying to stay awake by Hinds' masterclass 6 of 50 something put me to sleep!

PS: All hail Mock! She called the game!
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Re: Match report- India vs WI tri series
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2006, 04:21:38 PM »
LN:

On a separate note, pange le rahe ho ? Wait till this weeks football picks and see how your picks get changed mysteriously  ;D ;D ;D
BOSSSSSSS.. SAAAAR : I am not worthy of taking panga with you...specially now that you hold such power in all matters of importance in my life (this DG and the football pool).
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Re: Match report- India vs WI tri series
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2006, 04:28:04 PM »
LN Sirji:

You already have your karma points from Week 1. I shall take care of Week 2 points this evening sometime.
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Re: Match report- India vs WI tri series
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2006, 05:33:34 PM »
LN Sirji:

You already have your karma points from Week 1. I shall take care of Week 2 points this evening sometime.
Thanks.. I knew about 1st week...was wondering about the week 2.
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Re: Match report- India vs WI tri series
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2006, 05:48:19 PM »
I know we won the match ..but I hope this does not paper over some of the "self-made" problems. I personally think RD got bailed out today.

I have reached a stage where I think Rahul Dravid is slowly becoming a BAD captain from a mediocre one. My problem is his decision-making has been absolutely illogical, is not taking the team forward and if anything, adding unnecessary barriers for us to overcome.

I will not talk about his past poor/illogical decisions during England Tour of India, India Tour of Pak and WI etc.. but in this series itself:
1. Team Selection: Why on earth would one go with 5 bowlers in a must-win ODI in a venue where the spinners (the regular HS and irregular VS) have done well. Why would you replace an IP ( a batting "allrounder") with another fast bowler who cannot bat. If IP had to be replaced, would you not put DM or Powar..why SS. In the end, SS worked out well but this was bad strategy...luck more than plan won us the game
2. Batting order: Ok. Before the series, we wanted to bolster middle order. So Viru is sent there. Now RD gets out in first over. Who comes in ..Viru!! WTF is going on. Where is this juggling of Viru's batting going?
3. His taking of PPs, not engaging in dilatory tactics during the first WI game...etc. show that he just does not think. Appears to me like he has delegated his thinking to "process"

I have high expectations from RD as captain but any fair evaluation of his decision-making (not him as an individual player) would give him a failing grade, today. I just hope he improves on this, before we pay a bigger price someday for his "silly" decision-making in an important tournament.
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Re: Match report- India vs WI tri series
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2006, 05:59:54 PM »
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Re: Match report- India vs WI tri series
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2006, 06:12:13 PM »
I have reached a stage where I think Rahul Dravid is slowly becoming a BAD captain from a mediocre one. My problem is his decision-making has been absolutely illogical, is not taking the team forward and if anything, adding unnecessary barriers for us to overcome.

I took exception to the Dravid's thinking during the game. Sehwag at one-down was disaster. He had two slips but I felt that a short leg would have put so much more pressure on the WI openers.

I will not talk about his past poor/illogical decisions during England Tour of India, India Tour of Pak and WI etc.. but in this series itself:
1. Team Selection: Why on earth would one go with 5 bowlers in a must-win ODI in a venue where the spinners (the regular HS and irregular VS) have done well. Why would you replace an IP ( a batting "allrounder") with another fast bowler who cannot bat. If IP had to be replaced, would you not put DM or Powar..why SS. In the end, SS worked out well but this was bad strategy...luck more than plan won us the game

Despite all the talk, I think there are more players who are not settled into a role in the team than we think. So while we may think "experimentation" should stop, the management feels that some spots have not been claimed as their own. For instance, SRT's partner. Despite all that, I agree that Mongia deserved a chance today.

Credit for the win though....I don't think DM for SS would have a huge difference.

2. Batting order: Ok. Before the series, we wanted to bolster middle order. So Viru is sent there. Now RD gets out in first over. Who comes in ..Viru!! WTF is going on. Where is this juggling of Viru's batting going?

Zigackly. You know ferpectly well that this was my grievance during the chat.

3. His taking of PPs, not engaging in dilatory tactics during the first WI game...etc. show that he just does not think. Appears to me like he has delegated his thinking to "process"

Some of the decision-making has riled me....The PP use made no sense whatsoever.

I have high expectations from RD as captain but any fair evaluation of his decision-making (not him as an individual player) would give him a failing grade, today. I just hope he improves on this, before we pay a bigger price someday for his "silly" decision-making in an important tournament.

While I would refrain from giving him a failing grade, I would say that a C sums it up pretty well. Very, very ordinary. Excellent post, LN.
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Re: Match report- India vs WI tri series
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2006, 06:14:22 PM »
ruchir:

welcome back. Hope your move went well. New job ??

BTW, Dont know what you have in mind --hope its not the rack, have not done anything that bad I hope  :D
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« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2006, 06:16:08 PM »
LN:

Agree with a lot of the points you make here, some of which some of us have touched before.

I am just glad you said them (in one go) and not me  :D :D
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Re: Match report- India vs WI tri series
« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2006, 06:24:42 PM »
ruchir:

welcome back. Hope your move went well. New job ??

BTW, Dont know what you have in mind --hope its not the rack, have not done anything that bad I hope  :D

No, not new job. Just moved because the schools are better in the new place. Way better than the old one.

The thing that I have in mind for you is German styled submission feitish. The ones that are shown in HBO program "Real Sex". I'm sure you will like it.  ;D
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« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2006, 06:26:08 PM »
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The thing that I have in mind for you is German styled submission feitish. The ones that are shown in HBO program "Real Sex". I'm sure you will like it.   ;D

Is Coulter involved ?  ;D ;D
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« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2006, 06:27:27 PM »
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The thing that I have in mind for you is German styled submission feitish. The ones that are shown in HBO program "Real Sex". I'm sure you will like it.   ;D

Is Coulter involved ?  ;D ;D

Could be. Do you want her to be?
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« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2006, 06:29:27 PM »
Thats the only way I can agree to such a thing, lol  ;) ;)

Just kidding --there are a lot more women who are far more attractive than her.
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« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2006, 06:35:25 PM »
Thats the only way I can agree to such a thing, lol  ;) ;)

Just kidding --there are a lot more women who are far more attractive than her.

Word.
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« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2006, 06:37:29 PM »
Agree with a lot of the points you make here, some of which some of us have touched before.
Thanks. Hope now he somehow gets this message.
I am just glad you said them (in one go) and not me  :D :D
When did I become this "special".
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« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2006, 06:46:12 PM »
Agree with a lot of the points you make here, some of which some of us have touched before.
Thanks. Hope now he somehow gets this message.
I am just glad you said them (in one go) and not me  :D :D
When did I become this "special".
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In case, and this is me reading between the lines - which is always frought with danger, you think that I support RD ALWAYS and therefore, this post has more "weight"..I can tell you, I like RD (for that matter most Indian cricketers of note) as an individual, as a player but that does not mean I always like his decisions. I have praised his good (IMO) decisions and criticized his bad(IMO) decisions.  As a matter of fact, I have criticized his decisions loudly and vocally within his hearing distance, so that he could firsthand understand a fan's displeasure and anger.

No, What I said had more to do with me & public perception than with you.

Because irrespective of my liking and admiration for Rahul Dravid, anything I say on this issue is likely to be dismissed or discounted as bias since public perception (wrongly if I may add) is going to view my comments with an "SG tinted prism".

So you saying it has more weight because you are perceived as neutral or even an RD fan (you are right there), but my comment was a reflection of how public perception works rather than a comment on your cricketing acuity and viewpoints thereof.

Hope that explains. 
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Re: Match report- India vs WI tri series
« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2006, 06:54:00 PM »
ln,
In the end the results show that he successfully defended a total of 162. Also he had successfully defended 200 in Delhi against England. The results make the captain. The ends justify the means. Just as a sidenote, I dont remember SG ever defending a below 200 total.
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« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2006, 07:03:33 PM »
ln,
In the end the results show that he successfully defended a total of 162. Also he had successfully defended 200 in Delhi against England. The results make the captain. The ends justify the means. Just as a sidenote, I dont remember SG ever defending a below 200 total.

Gourav:
If you are not being sarcastic, that is an unfair criticism of SG.. perhaps he never needed to.

Anyway, I anecdotally remember through his brilliant captaincy he helped us win some close ODIs while defending totals (small or not, I dont remember). The SL Champions trophy Semifinals win against SA (I think he was at his peak in his captaincy in that tournament) and also, win against Pak when they almost came close to chasing 340+ in either Lahore or Karachi (not small total but still showed good captaincy defending it)..
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« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2006, 07:18:09 PM »
No Im not kidding. Under Ganguly we never defended a below 200 total, though he had 11 occasions to do so.
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Re: Match report- India vs WI tri series
« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2006, 07:36:22 PM »
LN Sirji:

You already have your karma points from Week 1. I shall take care of Week 2 points this evening sometime.
Thanks.. I knew about 1st week...was wondering about the week 2.

wasn't no. 2 supposed to get something too- I was no. 2 both weeks but didn't see any coming my way :( :(
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« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2006, 07:50:59 PM »
Suraj, well done.
Kban, you deserter ;D now you will have to be punished. Ruchir will bring the handcuffs and whips and do the necessary
let us not get kinky
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Re: Match report- India vs WI tri series
« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2006, 07:59:14 PM »
Suraj, well done.
Kban, you deserter ;D now you will have to be punished. Ruchir will bring the handcuffs and whips and do the necessary
let us not get kinky
Umm, no one actually invited you. Of course, you are welcme to join Ruchir and pitamah.
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Re: Match report- India vs WI tri series
« Reply #33 on: September 20, 2006, 08:14:39 PM »
and now the most important part of the game, Lara's assessment (prepare yourselves):

The defeat put an end to West Indies' five-match winning streak against India, but Lara reckoned that his side would still hold the edge if they met again in the final. "If they do make it to the final, it's going to be a different ball game," he promised. "They came here to win the match and to be kept under 200 with one strike bowler; they will have the psychological disadvantage going into the finals if we meet them."


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Re: Match report- India vs WI tri series
« Reply #34 on: September 20, 2006, 08:19:43 PM »
and now the most important part of the game, Lara's assessment (prepare yourselves):

The defeat put an end to West Indies' five-match winning streak against India, but Lara reckoned that his side would still hold the edge if they met again in the final. "If they do make it to the final, it's going to be a different ball game," he promised. "They came here to win the match and to be kept under 200 with one strike bowler; they will have the psychological disadvantage going into the finals if we meet them."


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Re: Match report- India vs WI tri series
« Reply #35 on: September 20, 2006, 08:32:07 PM »
suraj:

2nd place winner gets 2 points which you did get for the 1st week. I have not yet made the adjustments for the 2nd week, maybe this evening.
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Re: Match report- India vs WI tri series
« Reply #36 on: September 20, 2006, 09:08:08 PM »
suraj:

2nd place winner gets 2 points which you did get for the 1st week. I have not yet made the adjustments for the 2nd week, maybe this evening.

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Re: Match report- India vs WI tri series
« Reply #37 on: September 20, 2006, 11:22:23 PM »
ln,
In the end the results show that he successfully defended a total of 162. Also he had successfully defended 200 in Delhi against England. The results make the captain. The ends justify the means. Just as a sidenote, I dont remember SG ever defending a below 200 total.

If you can consider the 203 against Eng in Delhi which RD defended, then SG defended
scores of 204 twice.

RD has defended a score from 150 - 199 once out of three times.
SG has defended a score from 150 - 199 0 times out of five times.

This doesn't prove anything.

Moreover, yesterday's game has a question mark with Lara coming lower down the order just to give the others a chance.


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Re: Match report- India vs WI tri series
« Reply #38 on: September 20, 2006, 11:28:02 PM »
ln,
In the end the results show that he successfully defended a total of 162. Also he had successfully defended 200 in Delhi against England. The results make the captain. The ends justify the means. Just as a sidenote, I dont remember SG ever defending a below 200 total.

If you can consider the 203 against Eng in Delhi which RD defended, then SG defended
scores of 204 twice.

RD has defended a score from 150 - 199 once out of three times.
SG has defended a score from 150 - 199 0 times out of five times.

This doesn't prove anything.

Moreover, yesterday's game has a question mark with Lara coming lower down the order just to give the others a chance.




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Re: Match report- India vs WI tri series
« Reply #39 on: September 21, 2006, 05:16:33 AM »
ln,
In the end the results show that he successfully defended a total of 162. Also he had successfully defended 200 in Delhi against England. The results make the captain. The ends justify the means. Just as a sidenote, I dont remember SG ever defending a below 200 total.

Well, what about the dumbass use of PPs in the 1st ODI against WI, when we lost the game !!!!!!
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