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[keep-it-cool]

Boy, I seem to have missed this one completely .... both the incidents as well as this thread

But are we going back to school here? with monitors and moderators required for everything .. you dont like a person? .. ignore him/her ... want to leave the DG? go ahead

what's with making a public show of everything?

K-I-C,
That is the best approach - IGNORE! idiotic posts.

But some cannot ignore. For example, if CP or TYC posts abt SG, then some cannot ignore.
If Jaat needles CP, then CP does not ignore.

If someone posts in support of Pak, why dont we ignore? Instead another tells him "Go to Pak!". Not that who is right, but we can just ignore such posts? no?

IGNORING is the best approach, but not always that happens here. I suggested no need for any moderation, but alas Unmoderated is not accepted either.

First, I entirely take dex's point on the unmoderated thread .. it is a headache that one can do without

Second, those who choose to not ignore have to sort out their problems ... fine, dont ignore. Report. Then get on with it.

[fineleg]

guys,
on both sides
lets be frank here. the problem comes in from the fact that both CP and Jaat attack each other with equal fervor. you cannot say that one is more guilty than the other. the bottom line is that if people here think that the mods have been partial, they are inaccurate in my opinion. this is a discussion group for chist's sake, not a ego massage parlour. if CP feels wronged he should discuss it with the mods. if jaat feels he has been treated unfairly he too can discuss this. i dont see why we have to form groups here apart from the obvious former captains support/hater groups. what started as that has now become 2 separate groups that seem to bicker and support their own mebers irrespective of whether they are right or wrong. as for the unmoderated thread goes, why dont you just take each others instant messenger id's and cuss each other out there? lets see how many people will be willling to give up their anonimity and do that. why sully the atmosphere of the Dg for our personal grouses?
come on guys(and ladies). lets just get on with it. if people want to leave, oh well thas their personal choice. it is unfair to campaign and get people to leave. if you are so into campaigning try and get peopl here instead.
just a request that you can take or leave.

KIC,
Thats the point.

If someone feels unfairly treated, then they have to be able to talk to Mods. For which Mods need to be polite and reasonable to address concerns.

Yes, we are campaigning for all people incl anti, pro whoever to STAY and be PEACEFUL! Just ignore the guys u dont like, and sooner or later we will get the IGNORE_BUTTON in DG!

[k-slice]

i dont think we need an ignore button.
we should have that built into our own systems. if we dont, and get provoked by barking dogs, then thats our own perogative.

[fineleg]

i dont think we need an ignore button.
we should have that built into our own systems. if we dont, and get provoked by barking dogs, then thats our own perogative.

I agree, tunter. Just for the lazy folks in DG, that button will be like a TV remote in lazy America!

[keep-it-cool]

KIC,
Thats the point.

If someone feels unfairly treated, then they have to be able to talk to Mods. For which Mods need to be polite and reasonable to address concerns.

This, I cannot comment on .. since, I've not reported anyone yet and do not know what the response is. But if the mods do not repond to your complaint, so what? Are you more interested in getting some visible action against someone or discussing cricket / other topics of interest

As I said earlier, unless one is on the DG 24/7, there are enough things to read and respond to out here without having to get into major fights ... who chooses what is their priority ... i dont see that changing even if we add ten moderators

[k-slice]

i odnt know how many of you know what cabin fever is. it is usually associated with the *ty feeliong people get from being in cold weather and unable to do normal things. we seem to suffer from cricket deprivation here and therefore need to find *ty stuff to campaign/b***h about.

[k-slice]

fineleg
tunter is on vacation
this is k-slice.

[k-slice]

fineleg,
this thread is pointless in that case. as in reality, here too it should be each man for himself. why do we need a thread to beg people to stay? if i have it right then people will stay if they want to and quit if they dont. would i like people to leave? umm NO. but do i think its fair to start a thread to defend CP and attack jaat covertly? also NO.

[MockTurtle]

fineleg, why are these people planning to leave the DG? could you elaborate on that? i plan to leave the DG every third day (and return the fifth day) and so i am rather curious. if make such appeals in public, it is but fair that we hear the full story, at least the reason for leaving, if not the names.

Mock,
Just saw ur post. I think jiet (pieterSAN) has it nailed down.
Many members feel that while one member is repeatedly attempting to start a fight or take potshots at DG members, he is allowed to do so... then when escalation happens (which is bound to when needling and potshots are started), then multiple people have to be "warned" etc

People are unhappy that one member is able to take things down to a low. And is being allowed to some extent.
Various people have PM'd mods abt this concern.

For example, if member X says SG sucks! He does not deserve to get into the team.

Why should member Y get personally taunting with X? That should be stopped or if it is not stopped, then let it go to the full gutter level, which it will eventually go...Some members have learnt to ignore taunting. Others respond back with full might.

Give me a break, fineleg! both CP and Jaat are EQUALLY guilty of taunting each other/others and got banned for it. Why this wave of sympathy for one side? They are both adults and should be able to deal with their wars. It is not necessary that everyone should get along with everyone else and honestly, I haven't seen any bias from the moderators.

[k-slice]

mock
good post.
as i said let them get each others IM ids and fight it out there. why does either of them need their little peons to fight for them??

[pieterSAN]

fineleg, why are these people planning to leave the DG? could you elaborate on that? i plan to leave the DG every third day (and return the fifth day) and so i am rather curious. if make such appeals in public, it is but fair that we hear the full story, at least the reason for leaving, if not the names.

Mock,
Just saw ur post. I think jiet (pieterSAN) has it nailed down.
Many members feel that while one member is repeatedly attempting to start a fight or take potshots at DG members, he is allowed to do so... then when escalation happens (which is bound to when needling and potshots are started), then multiple people have to be "warned" etc

People are unhappy that one member is able to take things down to a low. And is being allowed to some extent.
Various people have PM'd mods abt this concern.

For example, if member X says SG sucks! He does not deserve to get into the team.

Why should member Y get personally taunting with X? That should be stopped or if it is not stopped, then let it go to the full gutter level, which it will eventually go...Some members have learnt to ignore taunting. Others respond back with full might.

Give me a break, fineleg! both CP and Jaat are EQUALLY guilty of taunting each other/others and got banned for it. Why this wave of sympathy for one side? They are both adults and should be able to deal with their wars. It is not necessary that everyone should get along with everyone else and honestly, I haven't seen any bias from the moderators.

I don't think this would be an issue unless more than one person was directly taunted by same member.

[keep-it-cool]

fineleg, why are these people planning to leave the DG? could you elaborate on that? i plan to leave the DG every third day (and return the fifth day) and so i am rather curious. if make such appeals in public, it is but fair that we hear the full story, at least the reason for leaving, if not the names.

Mock,
Just saw ur post. I think jiet (pieterSAN) has it nailed down.
Many members feel that while one member is repeatedly attempting to start a fight or take potshots at DG members, he is allowed to do so... then when escalation happens (which is bound to when needling and potshots are started), then multiple people have to be "warned" etc

People are unhappy that one member is able to take things down to a low. And is being allowed to some extent.
Various people have PM'd mods abt this concern.

For example, if member X says SG sucks! He does not deserve to get into the team.

Why should member Y get personally taunting with X? That should be stopped or if it is not stopped, then let it go to the full gutter level, which it will eventually go...Some members have learnt to ignore taunting. Others respond back with full might.

Give me a break, fineleg! both CP and Jaat are EQUALLY guilty of taunting each other/others and got banned for it. Why this wave of sympathy for one side? They are both adults and should be able to deal with their wars. It is not necessary that everyone should get along with everyone else and honestly, I haven't seen any bias from the moderators.

I don't think this would be an issue unless more than one person was directly taunted by same member.

Agree. I've sometimes wondered what makes this "same member" post all that he posts. But, the point is, how does it matter?

[k-slice]

why are we acting like little gossiping soroirty sluts? jiet, take names. name times and threads when you have been personally attacked rather than making blanket statements. you know the process. if people feel persoanally attacked they should report it instead of coming back later and claiming the high ground for being a martyr and not reporting it.

[MockTurtle]

fineleg, why are these people planning to leave the DG? could you elaborate on that? i plan to leave the DG every third day (and return the fifth day) and so i am rather curious. if make such appeals in public, it is but fair that we hear the full story, at least the reason for leaving, if not the names.

Mock,
Just saw ur post. I think jiet (pieterSAN) has it nailed down.
Many members feel that while one member is repeatedly attempting to start a fight or take potshots at DG members, he is allowed to do so... then when escalation happens (which is bound to when needling and potshots are started), then multiple people have to be "warned" etc

People are unhappy that one member is able to take things down to a low. And is being allowed to some extent.
Various people have PM'd mods abt this concern.

For example, if member X says SG sucks! He does not deserve to get into the team.

Why should member Y get personally taunting with X? That should be stopped or if it is not stopped, then let it go to the full gutter level, which it will eventually go...Some members have learnt to ignore taunting. Others respond back with full might.

Give me a break, fineleg! both CP and Jaat are EQUALLY guilty of taunting each other/others and got banned for it. Why this wave of sympathy for one side? They are both adults and should be able to deal with their wars. It is not necessary that everyone should get along with everyone else and honestly, I haven't seen any bias from the moderators.

I don't think this would be an issue unless more than one person was directly taunted by same member.

let them wear an anti-taunt cloak. cmon, a bunch of people let themselves be affected by ONE jaat and want to quit? sorry, no sympathy from me. 

[pieterSAN]

why are we acting like little gossiping soroirty sluts? jiet, take names. name times and threads when you have been personally attacked rather than making blanket statements. you know the process. if people feel persoanally attacked they should report it instead of coming back later and claiming the high ground for being a martyr and not reporting it.

  You know what, I am suddenly aware of the silliness of this. I honestly don't give a beep as long as I can come back here tomorrow and laugh at something clever that likes of Ruchir or Suraj came up with.

I personally don't give two beeps about someone taunting and could not remember the last time it happened ...I tend to let it slide. It means nothing to me.

[sgusa]

why are we acting like little gossiping soroirty sluts? jiet, take names. name times and threads when you have been personally attacked rather than making blanket statements. you know the process. if people feel persoanally attacked they should report it instead of coming back later and claiming the high ground for being a martyr and not reporting it.

  You know what, I am suddenly aware of the silliness of this. I honestly don't give a beep as long as I can come back here tomorrow and laugh at something clever that likes of Ruchir or Suraj came up with.

I personally don't give two beeps about someone taunting and could not remember the last time it happened ...I tend to let it slide. It means nothing to me.

You have insulted me by not including me in the lost of people who can post something clever. I am starting a PM campaign against you!

[keep-it-cool]

why are we acting like little gossiping soroirty sluts? jiet, take names. name times and threads when you have been personally attacked rather than making blanket statements. you know the process. if people feel persoanally attacked they should report it instead of coming back later and claiming the high ground for being a martyr and not reporting it.

  You know what, I am suddenly aware of the silliness of this. I honestly don't give a beep as long as I can come back here tomorrow and laugh at something clever that likes of Ruchir or Suraj came up with.

I personally don't give two beeps about someone taunting and could not remember the last time it happened ...I tend to let it slide. It means nothing to me.

Way to go .. post some more lyrics

or on second thoughts, you could brush up on your maths

[Blwe_torch]

Wow!........this thread is veering towards great sense!
Thanks everyone!
I haven't noticed anything untowards or unbalanced.....after the incidence of the banning of Jaat and CP.
I can see Jaat is back..after the mandatory 3 days......but not so, CP.
Hope he is enjoying a nice break and shall be back soon.

[fineleg]

fineleg, why are these people planning to leave the DG? could you elaborate on that? i plan to leave the DG every third day (and return the fifth day) and so i am rather curious. if make such appeals in public, it is but fair that we hear the full story, at least the reason for leaving, if not the names.

Mock,
Just saw ur post. I think jiet (pieterSAN) has it nailed down.
Many members feel that while one member is repeatedly attempting to start a fight or take potshots at DG members, he is allowed to do so... then when escalation happens (which is bound to when needling and potshots are started), then multiple people have to be "warned" etc

People are unhappy that one member is able to take things down to a low. And is being allowed to some extent.
Various people have PM'd mods abt this concern.

For example, if member X says SG sucks! He does not deserve to get into the team.

Why should member Y get personally taunting with X? That should be stopped or if it is not stopped, then let it go to the full gutter level, which it will eventually go...Some members have learnt to ignore taunting. Others respond back with full might.

Give me a break, fineleg! both CP and Jaat are EQUALLY guilty of taunting each other/others and got banned for it. Why this wave of sympathy for one side? They are both adults and should be able to deal with their wars. It is not necessary that everyone should get along with everyone else and honestly, I haven't seen any bias from the moderators.

Mock,
We are unable to look at the banned thread. But of late, look at many threads and see for urself, who starts the taunting?

[dextrous]

Why don't you all start with the whole story--let's talk about how many members-that-cannot-be-named are involved--how long was "black Wednesday" planned for? Who planned it? How did thing go awry? And why are lobbies fighting for people?

And once you're done sharing all that, we can move into the public trial phase of how much a certain someone has got away with and who started what threads that led up to the banning of two members. Perhaps, you can also look among the members-that-cannot-be-named and find some offenses in the last week itself that were far worse than what this certain someone who is harassing 20/30/40/50-members-that-cannot-be-named...

Let me know when you have the story settled. And what exactly do you want from us? Do you want jaat banned permanently? Do you want us so never again is the gang-of-20/30/40/50 ever touched or you will walk out on us?

Let me know these things. You need to negotiate properly. I get it, it's a strong group, but I need to know the demands.

[k-slice]

so fineleg why dont you come out openly and say that the reason you put this thread up is do do the dirty work for CP?? you feel he has been wronged i assume. why not let him do his own work?

[MockTurtle]

Mock,
We are unable to look at the banned thread. But of late, look at many threads and see for urself, who starts the taunting?

well, why don't you post the evidence? it does not really matter who "starts" it if the other person responds in kind. why not show some maturity or humour and brush it off? anyway, i feel i am back in grade 3 where i hear "she pinched first, no, she did" stuff.

btw, what is your real issue? you started lamenting about people leaving and appealing to them but now it seems you also have a slanted view of the whole affair? i am confused.

 

[k-slice]

dex
hahahahaha
the gestapo have caught wind of a rebellion . unfortunately, lik emost rebels this group seems unorganized. while one wants freedom, the other wants a mercedes. i for one want everybody to chip in and buy me the lates playboy and ship it to india. if not i will quit.

[fineleg]

Mock, K-slice:
I wrote in the first post itself, this is for ppl who are leaving, asking them to stay.
But, then all sortsa honesty and "riddle" issues were raised!?

In anycase, if all u ppl who are watching on the DG feel that it is "Equal" taunting, or who starts first, does Not matter, so be it. "...EITHER LEAVE IT UNMODERATED - in which case anything goes, or dont allow "personal taunting".

Its a suggestion, take it or leave it.

[k-slice]

finelg
i am openly questioning the idea behind this thread. the intentions seemes all right till you let your personal bias be known. considering both Jaat and Cp were banned and therefore allowed to cool off why is this thread relevant?

[k-slice]

how do you ntend people taunting? define taunting. as per my understanding if i call you an idiot or insult your opinion it is a taunt. if you ignore me then i look like an idiot. but in this case voicing ones opinion amounts as a taunt. are you really letting jaat get under your skin so much?

[fineleg]

finelg
i am openly questioning the idea behind this thread. the intentions seemes all right till you let your personal bias be known. considering both Jaat and Cp were banned and therefore allowed to cool off why is this thread relevant?

I feel the person taunting first is wrong and shud be prevented before escalating.
No bias towards an individual, but in this case jaat started the taunting.

Thats not the point of this thread, in the middle of these posts, someone asked a question, and I responded.
The intention of this thread is for PPL TO IGNORE those they dont like, rather than fight and quit. Period.

[fineleg]

how do you ntend people taunting? define taunting. as per my understanding if i call you an idiot or insult your opinion it is a taunt. if you ignore me then i look like an idiot. but in this case voicing ones opinion amounts as a taunt. are you really letting jaat get under your skin so much?

Jaat has not really abused me, since I usually never respond to him in "hot threads".
But, I see that if anyone says anything abt SG, then immediately he sets up a scene for a personal battle.
I dont take that bait, and I usually dont respond to him abt SG or such.

I have had decent comments with him, will still continue to do so, in non-SG threads. But, when SG issue arises, I dont get involved with him, becos no need to fight abt SG.

[MockTurtle]

Mock, K-slice:
I wrote in the first post itself, this is for ppl who are leaving, asking them to stay.
But, then all sortsa honesty and "riddle" issues were raised!?

In anycase, if all u ppl who are watching on the DG feel that it is "Equal" taunting, or who starts first, does Not matter, so be it. "...EITHER LEAVE IT UNMODERATED - in which case anything goes, or dont allow "personal taunting".

Its a suggestion, take it or leave it.

i don't recall all the threads nor do i get to read all of it coz sometimes, the real fun stuff gets moved to "mod sections" before i wake up in the morn. but i do recall a thread started by CP on the # of runs scored by jaat. is that PERSONAL TAUNTING according to you? i agree that Jaat has also chipped in with his brand of taunting when it was uncalled for. anyway, why am i fighting abt CP with you? (this isn't the first time you've come to his defence) where is CP? i think he has enough fire and humour in him to fight his own battles.

i am out of this discussion now. serious math awaits in the Etc. section.
 

[k-slice]

so then why are you worried about CP reacting to him?? why cant you instead ask CP NOT to react to his war cry?

[fineleg]

so then why are you worried about CP reacting to him?? why cant you instead ask CP NOT to react to his war cry?

Ofcourse, I did that before I even started this thread. And, this thread also - purpose is for PPL to ignore those they dont like.

[sgusa]

finelg
i am openly questioning the idea behind this thread. the intentions seemes all right till you let your personal bias be known. considering both Jaat and Cp were banned and therefore allowed to cool off why is this thread relevant?

The question is why was CP banned when he was clearly provoked. Granted he reacted when he should have ignored, but giving the same punishment to both is not justice. It might be the legal thing ( from the point of the laws of the DG) but not justice.

Jaat kept taunting him ( and others). Cp after a while responded. He shouldnt have, but i guess every one has a threshold. The mods (dex in particular since he was the one who seems to have acted on this issue) ignored the phrases Jaat used Until CP responded in kind. Then they docked both of them. Correct thing to do, BUT if they had put jaat in his place to begin with CP wouldnt have had a chance to respond and allow himself to be punished by the mods.

It is a question of mods not doing preventive maintenance. Jaat opened the gutter, it should have been closed before a member fell in and muddied up things more.

That, in a nutshell, is the complaint we have with the mods in general and Dex in particular since his waiting till CP got involved before pontificating made it look like he was protecting/condoning Jaat.

You know i am happy talking Food or cricket ( or advanced topology) and k-slice, you know i dont give a rat's ass who says what about me ( i rem you mentioning my sense of humor when you were hazing me over something a while back). But not everybody is like that, and the mods have a duty to clean up rougue elements that create a situation where people with low thresholds are compelled to react to the gutter-speak.

[k-slice]

fineleg
people will stray if they want and quit if they dont. that is a fact. if CP doesnt want to come back because he thinks that he has been treated unfairly, how does that become your problem or mine? and lets not be naive here. CP sends the bullets as fast as does Jaat. they are both guilty and both got punished. i dont see it being the mods fault that at times both play martyr and dont report the other. what is this? if they both just ignored each others taunts this wouldnt be an issue at all.

[Blwe_torch]

how do you ntend people taunting? define taunting. as per my understanding if i call you an idiot or insult your opinion it is a taunt. if you ignore me then i look like an idiot. but in this case voicing ones opinion amounts as a taunt. are you really letting jaat get under your skin so much?

k-slice...dude...I agree with you 100%.
I can see the pattern.
I have no complains against anyone.
I have taken a whole lot of snide remarks from the likes of CP, on my stride.
No issues!

[fineleg]

It is a question of mods not doing preventive maintenance. Jaat opened the gutter, it should have been closed before a member fell in and muddied up things more.

That, in a nutshell, is the complaint we have with the mods in general and Dex in particular since his waiting till CP got involved before pontificating made it look like he was protecting/condoning Jaat.

Yes, the above is very well put.

[sgusa]

Ofcourse, taunting and pulling the legs etc are part and parcel of our experiance here.

But usually it is rather clear that the post was in jest, or in sincere rebuttal and not for the sake of provoking someone.

If a post appears to be for the sake of taunting someone, a warning from the mods, openly posted on the same thread would really help. Then that member can clarify if the post was merely a misunderstoof well meaning fun remark or if he/she had a drink too much and gave into base emotions.

[k-slice]

sgusa
gutter speak is not fair coming from anyone.
my issue is with the notion that i sneong thrown here that CP is never guilty. Jaat tends to taunt him, i agree. if dex was online and dint do anything till cp got involved, that is not cool. but the bottim line is that both of them need to chill out instead of rallying up support for themselves. in this case i dont see jaat doing it. do i think both shoul dhave been banned? YEs. if a woman breaks into your house, and you rape her instead of calling the coppers on her you are equally at fault.

ps flaming heart is still a GAY drink!!

[Blwe_torch]

It is a question of mods not doing preventive maintenance. Jaat opened the gutter, it should have been closed before a member fell in and muddied up things more.

That, in a nutshell, is the complaint we have with the mods in general and Dex in particular since his waiting till CP got involved before pontificating made it look like he was protecting/condoning Jaat.

Yes, the above is very well put.

This is your angle.
I would rather stay neutral.
This is an equal-oppurtunity DG after-all!

[MockTurtle]

It is a question of mods not doing preventive maintenance. Jaat opened the gutter, it should have been closed before a member fell in and muddied up things more.

That, in a nutshell, is the complaint we have with the mods in general and Dex in particular since his waiting till CP got involved before pontificating made it look like he was protecting/condoning Jaat.

Yes, the above is very well put.

one more from me!

....and what about the following thread? this wasn't TAUNTING? cmon, don't let your biases cloud you. both CP and JAAT have their own guilty doings and just because some of you have also had altercations with Jaat, you decide to all come forward for CP's defence now? I have nothing against CP or Jaat but I find this ganging up rather in poor taste. Let people fight their own battles.


http://www.cricketvoice.com/cricketforum2/index.php?topic=4728.msg60692#msg60692

[k-slice]

blwe
equal oppurtunity has nothing to do with opinions. you need to study your american history a little more my friend