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Greg Chappell's list of Great Bowlers -- So here they are
« on: August 23, 2006, 12:22:10 AM »
A foreword from Rams-H-orns. 

This list again by GC about the greatest bowlers he has seen is very interesting.  In the list personally I would like to replace Thommo with Hadlee and Underwood with Prasanna.
Again no matter who picks a list of great bowlers or a list of great batsman there will always be some outstanding player that will be left out given the rich history of the game.  Instead of looking at the motives behind  why a name is picked or why a name is missed let us just treat this as a group picked by a fan of the game who also happens to be a great batsman.   Looking forward to this thread being a fun one and see your choices as well as to who feels who should be on the list and who should not be in the list.


Here we go.


‘These guys could out-think and outlast the best’
Colombo, Aug. 22: When it comes to bowlers, Team India coach Greg Chappell, who had asked for “some time mate for my assessment,” pegs countryman Dennis Lillee as his personal best.“All of the bowlers who I have on this list have something special over and above their ability to bowl well. Each has demonstrated their ability to outthink and outlast the very best of batsmen. The strength of their personality is as much a reason for their success as their ability to put the ball in the danger area more often than their counterparts.” Chappell’s picks:

Dennis Lillee
I am biased when it comes to Dennis Lillee. Dennis was as quick as anyone in his early days but having suffered a potential career-threatening back injury, he reinvented himself as one of the cleverest pace bowlers to have played the game. Patience and perseverance became his greatest assets once he reduced his pace and relied on his guile to outthink the very best batsmen.

Andy Roberts
Andy was the nearest thing I saw to Dennis Lillee in my time. Blessed with a strong body and a good mind, Andy used his mind as much as his body to outwit the very best batsmen. Bowling at a fuller length than many of his contemporaries, Roberts swung the ball away from the right-handers and had a deceptively quick and well disguised range of bouncers with which he did most of his damage.

Malcolm Marshall
Malcolm is another who was deceptively quick but who did not rely on pace alone. Like Roberts, the fact that he pitched the ball up to allow it to swing when it was new, made his short deliveries so dangerous. Marshall was probably the most potent of a long line of fast bowlers that emanated from the Caribbean in the latter half of the 20th century.

Jeff Thomson
Jeff Thomson, along with Frank Tyson, is the fastest of quick men that I have witnessed over the past 50 years or so. For two-and-a-half seasons Thommo was the quickest and most lethal of them all. With his slinging action, Thommo was able to generate a combination of pace and bounce from a full length that I have not seen with any other bowler. For those few seasons, until he broke his bowling shoulder in an unfortunate fielding accident, Thommo terrorised batsmen like few other bowlers have managed to do. Having been his captain through much of that period I know the psychological damage his presence had on the opposing teams. “If Lillee didn’t get them Thommo must”.

Shane Warne
Warnie is the best leg spinner I have seen. His ability to spin it big is only a small part of what has made him one of the most destructive and match-winning bowlers of all time. Allied with his unerring accuracy and guile, his strength lies in his ability to land his leg spinner on a spot for over after over and hour after hour. His love of bowling against the best has been another attribute that puts him above nearly every other spin bowler that I have seen. I say nearly because the next man on the list is his equal in that department.

Muttiah Muralitharan
Murali is equal to Shane Warne in his ability to control the ball, spin it big both ways and to have the patience and the love of the contest to bowl for hours in trying conditions to win matches for his team. In terms of wickets per match, Murali has probably been more important for Sri Lanka than Warne has been for Australia during their time, but both of them are wonderful exponents of their art.

Murali has been a con man as much as he has been a conjurer in that he has confused the opposition with his doosra, while continuing to destroy them with his off spinner. His patience and his faith in his ability to take wickets have been as valuable to him as his two-pronged spin.

Derek Underwood
I give a special mention to Underwood who does not fit into the traditional mould of a spin bowler. He ran further than most spinners and bowled it faster through the air than the rest, but his subtle changes of pace and his fantastic control of length were his greatest assets. Given some moisture in the wicket or a broken, dusty surface, I would put him up against Warne and Murali as the most dangerous bowler most likely to bowl any side out cheaply.
 
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Re: Greg Chappell's list of Great Bowlers -- So here they are
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2006, 12:45:50 AM »
My only surprise is at Underwood. I don't think he belongs there. I view Kumble as a superior bowler.

He is right on with all the pace bowlers. I would add Joel Garner (for ODIs) and Imran, Holding and Hadlee as being right up there at their best. Colin Croft was also said to be fiery - I haven't seen him at all to honestly comment. Another name from the past that I have seen video clips of is Garth Le Roux, a South African who played in the Packer series - he was quite menacing.
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Re: Greg Chappell's list of Great Bowlers -- So here they are
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2006, 01:00:33 AM »
Admittedly the list is based on his personal experience but still couple of points (applying one of his criteria of "ability to outthink/outlast a batsman")..

1. Among the fast bowlers, I would think at least one among Kapil, Imran, Sarfaraz, Wasim, Waqar would come ahead of the four he has picked.
2. Among the spinners, I would think at least one of Bedi, Prasanna, Chandrasekhar, Qadir would come ahead of the three he has picked.

My thoughts.. KD (in a whisker over Imran, IMO) over Thommo, Prasanna over Underwood ..again if outthink/outlast is the criteria
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Re: Greg Chappell's list of Great Bowlers -- So here they are
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2006, 02:28:18 AM »
I am surprised by Underwood's name too
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Re: Greg Chappell's list of Great Bowlers -- So here they are
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2006, 02:30:39 AM »
I have a feeling GC is quitely chuckling to himself. He just wrote a bunch of names sure to send the masses into an argumentative tizzy :D

Ah the dark lord of mischief , GC is the modern day Loki!
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Re: Greg Chappell's list of Great Bowlers -- So here they are
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2006, 02:35:13 AM »
i for one see these as good lists ( if you omit bradman because he didnt see him play)
arguments about the inclusion/omissions will always be there
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Re: Greg Chappell's list of Great Bowlers -- So here they are
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2006, 02:45:22 AM »
Underwood was a quality bowler alright.
Those days, they played much fewer tests or ODIs.

Alan Donald is another name, which can be there.
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Re: Greg Chappell's list of Great Bowlers -- So here they are
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2006, 05:33:03 AM »
Glad to see Murali there.
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Re: Greg Chappell's list of Great Bowlers -- So here they are
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2006, 06:20:22 AM »
I consider Akram to the best fast bowler ever to have played cricket..
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Re: Greg Chappell's list of Great Bowlers -- So here they are
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2006, 06:38:33 AM »
Derek Underwood is one of the all time great spinners, admittedly he got most of his wickets on dodgy uncovered English wickets, he has been able to trouble all major batsmen of his time and has taken I think a 7fer against us that should mean something for a batting line up with SMG/Sardesai/etc/

class  mat    balls     runs      wkts         bbi     bbm     ave     econ   sr       4     5  10
Tests   86   21862   7674   297   8/51   13/71   25.83   2.10   73.60   13   17   6

Anyone who takes almost 300 test wickets at an econ rate of 2.10 cannot be very bad can he?
Against India
in England            4    780    267           8   3/72     4/121     33.37     2.05   97.5  0  0
in India              16   4215  1432         54   5/84     9/173     26.51     2.03   78.0  1  0
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Re: Greg Chappell's list of Great Bowlers -- So here they are
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2006, 07:00:56 AM »
Derek Underwood is one of the all time great spinners, admittedly he got most of his wickets on dodgy uncovered English wickets, he has been able to trouble all major batsmen of his time and has taken I think a 7fer against us that should mean something for a batting line up with SMG/Sardesai/etc/

class  mat    balls     runs      wkts         bbi     bbm     ave     econ   sr       4     5  10
Tests   86   21862   7674   297   8/51   13/71   25.83   2.10   73.60   13   17   6

Anyone who takes almost 300 test wickets at an econ rate of 2.10 cannot be very bad can he?
Against India
in England            4    780    267           8   3/72     4/121     33.37     2.05   97.5  0  0
in India              16   4215  1432         54   5/84     9/173     26.51     2.03   78.0  1  0

where is the 7fer? the bbi against us is 5/84 ..unless i am not reading your post right
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Re: Greg Chappell's list of Great Bowlers -- So here they are
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2006, 07:10:42 AM »
Derek Underwood is one of the all time great spinners, admittedly he got most of his wickets on dodgy uncovered English wickets, he has been able to trouble all major batsmen of his time and has taken I think a 7fer against us that should mean something for a batting line up with SMG/Sardesai/etc/

class  mat    balls     runs      wkts         bbi     bbm     ave     econ   sr       4     5  10
Tests   86   21862   7674   297   8/51   13/71   25.83   2.10   73.60   13   17   6

Anyone who takes almost 300 test wickets at an econ rate of 2.10 cannot be very bad can he?
Against India
in England            4    780    267           8   3/72     4/121     33.37     2.05   97.5  0  0
in India              16   4215  1432         54   5/84     9/173     26.51     2.03   78.0  1  0

where is the 7fer? the bbi against us is 5/84 ..unless i am not reading your post right

I really dont know, I had read about the 7fer in Idol by SMG -I guess I was wrong about the 7fer
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