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Get out Of ICC. Create separate body. Still play with AUS+ENG+NZ.

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[hastalavistababy]

ICC run by Goras: Wasim Akram

Former Pakistan captain Wasim Akram alleged that the International Cricket Council (ICC) was dominated by former white cricketers.
He said, "I am against ICC. The reason is it's run by all the goras (whites). Passion is here (in India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka), money is here and talent is here. All the cricketers who get retired after playing two matches... were working for the ICC. From Pakistan, Sri Lanka, nobody gets there (to ICC). That is why I am always keen on helping cricketers from India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh, who seek tips to improve their skills."
Akram was here to attend a function organised by Switzerland-based Roche and the Roche Diagnostics Division to promote its product 'Accu-Check' and spread awareness about Diabetes.

[RicePlateReddy]

There seems to be widespread support for Hair in Australia for this episode - Steve Waugh among others just made a statement supporting him. I don't think Australia will come anywhere close to the sub continent politically.


Waugh's statements:
(http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,20208184-12428,00.html)


TEST legend Steve Waugh has supported umpire Darrell Hair's decision to abandon a Test match following a Pakistani player rebellion in England.

Waugh said although Hair could be "stubborn and a bit hard-nosed" no team could expect to get away with not turning up on the ground as Pakistan did in protest over a ball tampering charge laid by Hair in the fourth Test at The Oval.
"I definitely agree with that (Pakistan losing the Test on forfeit). If they don't go back on the field when they are supposed to the Test is over," Waugh said.

"That's quite simple. (India's) Sunil Gavaskar tried that one on the umpires in Australia (in 1981). No-one is bigger than the game.

"The laws are there for a reason. You can't determine when you go back on the field. It's embarrassing for the umpires to be waiting and having no-one turn up."

The former Australian captain said it would be interesting to see whether a camera had unearthed proof of the ball tampering but said Hair would not have made such a serious charge without some evidence.

"He is not going to say it for no reason. The umpires don't need the grief. Cricket does not need the grief. What's the benefit in Darrell whipping it up if nothing was happening? I'm sure he doesn't need the threats which could come his way."

"He would know the storm it would create. He has been through Murali so he knows the ramifications of doing it so he would not have done it lightly.

"If there's proof and they have done it then Pakistan have to face the consequences. It is quite clear you cannot tamper with the ball.

"No-one needs this to happen. You would like to think - as was the case with the Muralitharan thing - it could have been averted rather than make a massive scene of it, but if the guy is tampering with the ball I fully agree with the penalty," Waugh said.

[suraj]

There seems to be widespread support for Hair in Australia for this episode - Steve Waugh among others just made a statement supporting him. I don't think Australia will come anywhere close to the sub continent politically.


Waugh's statements:
(http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,20208184-12428,00.html)


TEST legend Steve Waugh has supported umpire Darrell Hair's decision to abandon a Test match following a Pakistani player rebellion in England.

Waugh said although Hair could be "stubborn and a bit hard-nosed" no team could expect to get away with not turning up on the ground as Pakistan did in protest over a ball tampering charge laid by Hair in the fourth Test at The Oval.
"I definitely agree with that (Pakistan losing the Test on forfeit). If they don't go back on the field when they are supposed to the Test is over," Waugh said.

"That's quite simple. (India's) Sunil Gavaskar tried that one on the umpires in Australia (in 1981). No-one is bigger than the game.

"The laws are there for a reason. You can't determine when you go back on the field. It's embarrassing for the umpires to be waiting and having no-one turn up."

The former Australian captain said it would be interesting to see whether a camera had unearthed proof of the ball tampering but said Hair would not have made such a serious charge without some evidence.

"He is not going to say it for no reason. The umpires don't need the grief. Cricket does not need the grief. What's the benefit in Darrell whipping it up if nothing was happening? I'm sure he doesn't need the threats which could come his way."

"He would know the storm it would create. He has been through Murali so he knows the ramifications of doing it so he would not have done it lightly.

"If there's proof and they have done it then Pakistan have to face the consequences. It is quite clear you cannot tamper with the ball.

"No-one needs this to happen. You would like to think - as was the case with the Muralitharan thing - it could have been averted rather than make a massive scene of it, but if the guy is tampering with the ball I fully agree with the penalty," Waugh said.

How beeping judgemental- Waugh already has assumed without any evidence that Pak tampered the ball. beeping Aussies- bastards

[dextrous]

Aussies always stick together, no matter what. Drugs, racism, match-fixing, whatever. THey will defend each other.

[keep-it-cool]

Actually, Waugh is not saying anything.

I mean .. "if there has been tampering and if there is evidence then the penalty was right" ... for god's sake, why did i not think of that??

but this is a valid question: "why would hair whip it up if nothing was happening?"

[Libran]

Actually, Waugh is not saying anything.

I mean .. "if there has been tampering and if there is evidence then the penalty was right" ... for god's sake, why did i not think of that??

but this is a valid question: "why would hair whip it up if nothing was happening?"

True...everyone takes a judgement call

When Hair thought that the ball was being tampered...his judgement call was that it was a cricket ball and not Inzi's
When Dean Jones called Amla a terrorist, his judgement call was that it was a cricketer he was calling a terrorist and not Osama
When GC put his middle finger out, he took a judgement call that it was his finger and not Kiran More's and Indians anyways deserve it

So God is in his place and all is well with the cricketing world.

Let's hope WC '07 is on schedule...lest we have to live with the unwanted agony of an extended stay for GC and his croonies in Bangalore,India

[MockTurtle]

Actually, Waugh is not saying anything.

I mean .. "if there has been tampering and if there is evidence then the penalty was right" ... for god's sake, why did i not think of that??

but this is a valid question: "why would hair whip it up if nothing was happening?"

True...everyone takes a judgement call

When Hair thought that the ball was being tampered...his judgement call was that it was a cricket ball and not Inzi's
When Dean Jones called Amla a terrorist, his judgement call was that it was a cricketer he was calling a terrorist and not Osama
When GC put his middle finger out, he took a judgement call that it was his finger and not Kiran More's and Indians anyways deserve it

So God is in his place and all is well with the cricketing world.

Let's hope WC '07 is on schedule...lest we have to live with the unwanted agony of an extended stay for GC and his croonies in Bangalore,India
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[keep-it-cool]

Actually, Waugh is not saying anything.

I mean .. "if there has been tampering and if there is evidence then the penalty was right" ... for god's sake, why did i not think of that??

but this is a valid question: "why would hair whip it up if nothing was happening?"

True...everyone takes a judgement call

When Hair thought that the ball was being tampered...his judgement call was that it was a cricket ball and not Inzi's
When Dean Jones called Amla a terrorist, his judgement call was that it was a cricketer he was calling a terrorist and not Osama
When GC put his middle finger out, he took a judgement call that it was his finger and not Kiran More's and Indians anyways deserve it

So God is in his place and all is well with the cricketing world.

Let's hope WC '07 is on schedule...lest we have to live with the unwanted agony of an extended stay for GC and his croonies in Bangalore,India

Dont know where Jones, Amla and GC come into it ... but the judgment made is the issue. If there was evidence, fair enough ... but we dont need Waugh to tell us that. It is obvious. I think he is just sitting on the fence on this one.

[Libran]

Actually, Waugh is not saying anything.

I mean .. "if there has been tampering and if there is evidence then the penalty was right" ... for god's sake, why did i not think of that??

but this is a valid question: "why would hair whip it up if nothing was happening?"

True...everyone takes a judgement call

When Hair thought that the ball was being tampered...his judgement call was that it was a cricket ball and not Inzi's
When Dean Jones called Amla a terrorist, his judgement call was that it was a cricketer he was calling a terrorist and not Osama
When GC put his middle finger out, he took a judgement call that it was his finger and not Kiran More's and Indians anyways deserve it

So God is in his place and all is well with the cricketing world.

Let's hope WC '07 is on schedule...lest we have to live with the unwanted agony of an extended stay for GC and his croonies in Bangalore,India

Dont know where Jones, Amla and GC come into it ... but the judgment made is the issue. If there was evidence, fair enough ... but we dont need Waugh to tell us that. It is obvious. I think he is just sitting on the fence on this one.

You are only reading his quotes..But, these are obviously an outcome of the questions that were posed to him. So, where do you see a problem in his response. He is speaking "matter of factly". Why would that be sitting on the fence. And if one were to view the entire episode dispassionately, Inzaman had no business to stay back in the dressing room and for good or bad, umpires are the final judges on the playing field.

It is a different matter that we have nincompoops as umpires, match referees, coaches and Selection committee chairmen. It is more by default than by design

[inoc]

going back to the original post i dont think there is any value in separating from the ICC and creating a parallel body. what can and should be done is to threaten the ICC with the financial clout that the subcontinent has to fall into line with some of the concerns that the subcontinent teams have.
i think more can be done by the ACC.
ICC are saying at the moment that they cannot subscribe to pakistans request that DH not be allowed to officiate in the matches they play but it is unlikely that DH will ever officiate in a match involving pakistan. after the MM incident he did not officiate in any of the matches involving SL for more tha six years. a repeat problem is surely going to make matters more difficult for DH.

[sudzz]

Actually, Waugh is not saying anything.

I mean .. "if there has been tampering and if there is evidence then the penalty was right" ... for god's sake, why did i not think of that??

but this is a valid question: "why would hair whip it up if nothing was happening?"

True...everyone takes a judgement call

When Hair thought that the ball was being tampered...his judgement call was that it was a cricket ball and not Inzi's
When Dean Jones called Amla a terrorist, his judgement call was that it was a cricketer he was calling a terrorist and not Osama
When GC put his middle finger out, he took a judgement call that it was his finger and not Kiran More's and Indians anyways deserve it

So God is in his place and all is well with the cricketing world.

Let's hope WC '07 is on schedule...lest we have to live with the unwanted agony of an extended stay for GC and his croonies in Bangalore,India

Dont know where Jones, Amla and GC come into it ... but the judgment made is the issue. If there was evidence, fair enough ... but we dont need Waugh to tell us that. It is obvious. I think he is just sitting on the fence on this one.

You are only reading his quotes..But, these are obviously an outcome of the questions that were posed to him. So, where do you see a problem in his response. He is speaking "matter of factly". Why would that be sitting on the fence. And if one were to view the entire episode dispassionately, Inzaman had no business to stay back in the dressing room and for good or bad, umpires are the final judges on the playing field.

It is a different matter that we have nincompoops as umpires, match referees, coaches and Selection committee chairmen. It is more by default than by design

Ravi, well said...Inzi had no business staying away from the field-look where it got him and his team (forfeited match and bans for Inzi)

The other issue you've touched upon is also valid there are bunch of jokers running the ICC Mani downwards to Dave Richardson all are a bunch of dolts who like ostriches would bury their face in the sand and pretend that the world is dark.

If they had the balls then to ban MM and Akhtar then today this sorry state of affairs would'nt have passed, They tried to tell us that some tests done in some lab in Oz confirmed something that to the naked eye was not visible anyway.

Similarly when the ball tampering issue first came up it was upto the players to acknowledge that it does happen and some even justified it. If they had been equally harsh with Atherton for carrying mud in his pockets (presumably it is allowed in county cricket or so he said), or when they did find scuffed up balls during the late 80's,90's etc they should have taken steps to amend the rules.

In other sports they are very particular about these aspects right down to the correct apparel etc. No one in soccer for example can wear extra long spikes or in field hockey have non standard sticks etc.

Whereas what has ICC been busy with..specifying which cola you would drink when inside a stadium and how many advertising spots on a players body can be used etc.

Look at the speed with which FIFA dispensed justice while admitting errors of omissions in the Zindane Incident or similar such issues when they crop up.

Match fixing scandal in Italian soccer met with a similar end, the biggest team relegated, biggest players penalised etc.

Look at cricket there is still no conclusive evidence and when asked ICC says its up to the boards of the individual countries.

Remember a few years back there used to be major issues with clubs releasing players for national duty during say the Olympics or other such games. FIFA acted decisvely and mandated that Olympics and other such tournaments will be for the under 19/21 ages

Now look at the ICC FTP it is a mess and they moving at the speed of molasses to address the issue.

To think of Cricket is played by less than 100 countries where FIFA runs the game across almost all nations of the world admittedly they are also corrrupt organisation but yet they are a very very good management outfitl

[keep-it-cool]

Actually, Waugh is not saying anything.

I mean .. "if there has been tampering and if there is evidence then the penalty was right" ... for god's sake, why did i not think of that??

but this is a valid question: "why would hair whip it up if nothing was happening?"

True...everyone takes a judgement call

When Hair thought that the ball was being tampered...his judgement call was that it was a cricket ball and not Inzi's
When Dean Jones called Amla a terrorist, his judgement call was that it was a cricketer he was calling a terrorist and not Osama
When GC put his middle finger out, he took a judgement call that it was his finger and not Kiran More's and Indians anyways deserve it

So God is in his place and all is well with the cricketing world.

Let's hope WC '07 is on schedule...lest we have to live with the unwanted agony of an extended stay for GC and his croonies in Bangalore,India

Dont know where Jones, Amla and GC come into it ... but the judgment made is the issue. If there was evidence, fair enough ... but we dont need Waugh to tell us that. It is obvious. I think he is just sitting on the fence on this one.

You are only reading his quotes..But, these are obviously an outcome of the questions that were posed to him. So, where do you see a problem in his response. He is speaking "matter of factly".

That is exactly what I said .. I have no problem with his response and my post was in response to comments made earlier about losing respect for Waugh and Aussies sticking together. I cannot figure out where you saw a problem.

And Waugh is sitting on ther fence - coz what he says is that if an offence was committed and if there is evidence of the same, the punishment is valid. Now, where is the stand in that? Will anyone say that despite evidence, you should not award the runs?

Of course the interesting part of his entire interview is where he says "Hair would not have whipped it up for no reason". That is worth a thought

But, I still do not agree with the way the entire thing was conducted .. especially the refusal to come out and let the match continue. If it now comes to light that there was no evidence either (this we'll probably know only on Friday) then I see no way Hair can continue as an Elite Umpire

[achutank]

i think SG knew what he was doing when he was giving it to this aussie. and the aussies don't take it well when you give back their medicine. we all know what happened in 2001 and 2003 when we gave them atitude. after which ICC hounded our team and our captain. there was a host of fines penalties and  suspencions. even today when this issue has happened, we unfortunately find sachin tendulkar's picture in the gallery of ball-temparing feinds. when the evidence was clear and that srt did nothing more than remove stuck mud on the ball. but the goras in icc led by the machinations of the aussies mad sure that our captain was put under enough pressure all through 2003-04 through legal wrangles. that itself must have taken quite a toll on his stress levels.

[jaat69]

But then we have a whole lot of Aussie-fans all over India and abroad, who never tire of singing praises for these Aussies.
Why ...we have a whole lot of them in this DG itself!

[achutank]

The Chappal Bhajan Mandali

[jaat69]

The Chappal Bhajan Mandali

Or the Bhajan Lal Chappal Mandali!