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« Reply #40 on: July 31, 2006, 03:19:54 PM »
Suraj and LN's new mission is to market this out of the world movie.

Guys seriously go and see it- it is really a great great effort

if this exaggeration is due to acting, i am sorry but i dont understand good acting, no seriously i dont i guess i have some kind of disorder or something
i am waiting for lage raho munnabhai

Acting is just a part of it. For me it was:

1. authenticity of Bhardwaj's effort by not succumbing to the usual temptations of Hindi movies and sticking to the narration

2. the subtle symbolisms: Saif's "green" wardrobe, Ajay singing to Kareena the same song in death as in sleep without being able to wake her up, Konkana chiding Ajay/Kareena looks mismatch jokingly and in fact bringing out one of the reasons for his jealousy and Ajay's joke "Once a man got married to a woman- end of the joke" with others failing to see his pain behind it

3. exceelent use of music and songs interwined with dialogues ot narrate the story

4. Some fine comedy without drifting form the plot- lots of them but just a sample:

Naseer: For our 25th wedding celebration, I took my wife to Timbuktu
Extra: So wht wil u do for the 50th celebration, bhaiiji??
Naseer: We'll bring her back from Tibuktu on the 50th

You may like only "Happy Birthday" movies but at some stage DY u will fall in luv with this one- maybe  afew yrs later
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« Reply #41 on: July 31, 2006, 03:30:48 PM »
Suraj and LN's new mission is to market this out of the world movie.

Guys seriously go and see it- it is really a great great effort

if this exaggeration is due to acting, i am sorry but i dont understand good acting, no seriously i dont i guess i have some kind of disorder or something
i am waiting for lage raho munnabhai

Acting is just a part of it. For me it was:

1. authenticity of Bhardwaj's effort by not succumbing to the usual temptations of Hindi movies and sticking to the narration

2. the subtle symbolisms: Saif's "green" wardrobe, Ajay singing to Kareena the same song in death as in sleep without being able to wake her up, Konkana chiding Ajay/Kareena looks mismatch jokingly and in fact bringing out one of the reasons for his jealousy and Ajay's joke "Once a man got married to a woman- end of the joke" with others failing to see his pain behind it

3. exceelent use of music and songs interwined with dialogues ot narrate the story

4. Some fine comedy without drifting form the plot- lots of them but just a sample:

Naseer: For our 25th wedding celebration, I took my wife to Timbuktu
Extra: So wht wil u do for the 50th celebration, bhaiiji??
Naseer: We'll bring her back from Tibuktu on the 50th

You may like only "Happy Birthday" movies but at some stage DY u will fall in luv with this one- maybe  afew yrs later

happy birthday  ??? i do like parallel cinema and movies with social themes, but some movies are just pathetic, for example being cyrus and water
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« Reply #42 on: July 31, 2006, 05:14:30 PM »
LN,

Did u catch this in the movie??

I missed it and was curious why Saif's was the only name that didn't play on the original

Why then isn't your Iago called Langda Tyagi? Where's the I?

(Grins) Iago, at one point in the film, is actually called Ishwar Tyagi. His name is Ishwar but, because he's lame, everyone calls him Langda. At one point, not everyone will notice, but some will catch Vivek calling him that -- 'kya Ishwar bhaiyya…' Konkona's arm also has her husband's name tattooed on it -- Ishwar Tyagi. It's not something that will visually register to most, but his name is definitely Ishwar.
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« Reply #43 on: July 31, 2006, 05:58:22 PM »
LN,

Did u catch this in the movie??

I missed it and was curious why Saif's was the only name that didn't play on the original

Why then isn't your Iago called Langda Tyagi? Where's the I?

(Grins) Iago, at one point in the film, is actually called Ishwar Tyagi. His name is Ishwar but, because he's lame, everyone calls him Langda. At one point, not everyone will notice, but some will catch Vivek calling him that -- 'kya Ishwar bhaiyya…' Konkona's arm also has her husband's name tattooed on it -- Ishwar Tyagi. It's not something that will visually register to most, but his name is definitely Ishwar.

I knew his name was Ishwar..but did not catch the tattoo.

I cant wait for the DVD to come out and for me to sit down and re-analyze this movie.

I still cant get SAIF's performance and Konkona out of my head  ;)

I agree based on what I saw ..Vishal appears to be a genius.

I really think Hindi filmmaking is going through a renaissance of sorts ..Rakeysh Omprakash Mehra, Vishal Bharadwaj are good and Farhan Akhtar, to some extent Karan Johar, even the veteran Amol Palekar have shown signs of occassional brilliance. While I praise this new talent, I must say I hope we can see through the "lack of depth" in pretenders like Sanjay Leela Bhansali and Ram Gopal Varma.
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« Reply #44 on: July 31, 2006, 06:05:47 PM »
Suraj and LN's new mission is to market this out of the world movie.

Guys seriously go and see it- it is really a great great effort

Happiness shared doubles. [Sadness shared halves]
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« Reply #45 on: July 31, 2006, 06:15:21 PM »
LN,

Did u catch this in the movie??

I missed it and was curious why Saif's was the only name that didn't play on the original

Why then isn't your Iago called Langda Tyagi? Where's the I?

(Grins) Iago, at one point in the film, is actually called Ishwar Tyagi. His name is Ishwar but, because he's lame, everyone calls him Langda. At one point, not everyone will notice, but some will catch Vivek calling him that -- 'kya Ishwar bhaiyya…' Konkona's arm also has her husband's name tattooed on it -- Ishwar Tyagi. It's not something that will visually register to most, but his name is definitely Ishwar.

I knew his name was Ishwar..but did not catch the tattoo.

I cant wait for the DVD to come out and for me to sit down and re-analyze this movie.

I still cant get SAIF's performance and Konkona out of my head  ;)

I agree based on what I saw ..Vishal appears to be a genius.

I really think Hindi filmmaking is going through a renaissance of sorts ..Rakeysh Omprakash Mehra, Vishal Bharadwaj are good and Farhan Akhtar, to some extent Karan Johar, even the veteran Amol Palekar have shown signs of occassional brilliance. While I praise this new talent, I must say I hope we can see through the "lack of depth" in pretenders like Sanjay Leela Bhansali and Ram Gopal Varma.

Yeah the symbolisms are just too good- very intelligent movie. This is why "genius" reference. umm not so sure abt Karan Johar- his skill is in being able to present and make the audience feel satisfied with 3hrs of color and flair not the genius type.

I do hope Vishal comes up with Hamlet and Romeo & Juliet's version next and also at some point works with that intelligent actor named Aamir Khan
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« Reply #46 on: July 31, 2006, 06:22:19 PM »
umm not so sure abt Karan Johar- his skill is in being able to present and make the audience feel satisfied with 3hrs of color and flair not the genius type.
Credit where credit is due. He invented the KKHH genre in Bollywood ..and you are right, he has not shown range beyond that genre. Let's see - it seems his new one is supposedly more deep and explores marital infidelity and related relationships (my issue is, why does he always pick that overactor - SRK ;-))

I do hope Vishal comes up with Hamlet and Romeo & Juliet's version next and also at some point works with that intelligent actor named Aamir Khan
Oh, I cant wait for his next..just like I cant wait for Rakeysh's next.

It seems at the personal screening..Aamir and SRK gave him a standing ovation. I think Aamir will definitely hook up with him.
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« Reply #47 on: August 01, 2006, 08:56:18 AM »
Box office: Nobody is watching Omkara!!! This is what Rediff has to say about Omkara? Either rediff is incorrect or Indian's in general dont know what good movies are
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« Reply #48 on: August 01, 2006, 09:30:23 AM »
Box office: Nobody is watching Omkara!!! This is what Rediff has to say about Omkara? Either rediff is incorrect or Indian's in general dont know what good movies are
Yeah read that. In a way, it makes sense - it is not family friendly. Though, I am surprised it did not do well in the multiplexes. Wonder how it did overseas.

Oh well. Sad but reality has to be accepted. Maybe the (niche) audience is too small for this kind of movie. I hope it is not the end of the beginning of quality cinema.
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« Reply #49 on: August 01, 2006, 09:44:28 AM »
by all accounts this seems to be a watershed movie for the industry. I have had 7 or 8 people tell me this, each in their own way:

"F*** that was brilliant!"
"This is not bollywood??"
"World class movie - seeing the capabilities of bollywood in this movie you feel cheated out of the money you paid for previous movies"
"Masterful acting - actual acting - by the best talent in the industry"

etc

I will watch it soon
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« Reply #50 on: August 01, 2006, 09:59:02 AM »
by all accounts this seems to be a watershed movie for the industry. I have had 7 or 8 people tell me this, each in their own way:

"F*** that was brilliant!"
"This is not bollywood??"
"World class movie - seeing the capabilities of bollywood in this movie you feel cheated out of the money you paid for previous movies"
"Masterful acting - actual acting - by the best talent in the industry"

etc

I will watch it soon

Hope you like it
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« Reply #51 on: August 01, 2006, 10:16:30 AM »
From TOI..
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Families stay away from Omkara

MUMBAI: The buzz surrounding Vishal Bharadwaj’s film Omkara helped the movie get a decent opening at the box office all over the country, but trade pundits have said that the film, which opened on Friday, will not be able to sustain itself for long. The constant swearing in the dialogue is deterring people from going to the film along with their families.

A Mumbai exhibitor said the film has a heavily rustic setting and families might not tolerate the language. “The hype generated by the producers made people buy tickets the first three days, but from Monday onwards multiplexes will see fewer people coming to watch the film,’’ he added.

Niranjan Prakash, of Fun Republic , agreed that there was a drop in collections after the first three days. “The female audience is definitely missing because the language is quite offensive . But it should settle down to being an average success at the box office in Mumbai,’’ he added.

Mumbai housewife Vijayanti Mehra left the theatre during the interval . “It was certainly not my cup of tea. The language used is really embarrassing for us,’’ she said.

Because the story is set in a village near Meerut, UP, and the language used is Gujjar, a Hariyanvi dialect, the film was expected to be a blockbuster in the north. But Omkara has disappointed family audiences there too.

Well-known distributor Rishikesh Sinha said the film is not doing well in Bihar. “The foul language used has kept families away. Bihar distributor Prakash Jha said the film has silhouettes and small towns do not have the projectors to show it with clarity, but I think it is a mere excuse. The film will not do more than Rs 15 lakh to Rs 20 lakh worth of business in that circuit ,’’ Sinha added.

There’s bad news even from the Central Province and Berar circuits, which include Rajasthan and Madhya Pradesh. Pramod Mahnaut, of Kalyan Pictures, said that due to the foul language the film would be unable to sustain itself at the box office.

Dilip Tandon, who distributed the film in the Nizam circuit, which includes the Hyderabad region, said, “The film has received a lukewarm response. We will lose at least 50% of investment in this film.’
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« Reply #52 on: August 01, 2006, 10:40:55 AM »
Read the reviews, saw the movie yesterday

Commnedable effort, could not quite put it in the good category.

Ensemble cast -- Saif gives the performance of a lifetime, Konkana and bipasha act very well. Even Kareena fills the role of the innocent wife well.

Beautifully shot, very realistic. Good music, beautiful lyrics by Gulzar.

That is the good.

The part where I felt the movie fell short - Othello is a tragedy. The director had 3 hours to build this story to a crescendo so that the climax and the tragedy therein captures the ethos of pain that the original drama is meant to portray.

Somehow, I felt the movie never quite built up or was able to get the audience to empathize with the central love story --the crucial element which is required to capture the pathos, the tragedy of their untimely and senseless demise.

And therein lies to me, the biggest failure of the movie --the inability to get the audience more involved in the romance or feel for O & D.

Another small gripe is the use of the heavily dialected Hindi -- while I understood enough to make basic sense of the movie, people who I visited (which actually included native Hindi speakers, which I am not) were griping about the predominant use of the dialect.

Was ok with the swearing -- added  realism to the movie.

overall, commedable effort, not transcendental
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« Reply #53 on: August 01, 2006, 11:52:11 AM »

Somehow, I felt the movie never quite built up or was able to get the audience to empathize with the central love story --the crucial element which is required to capture the pathos, the tragedy of their untimely and senseless demise.

And therein lies to me, the biggest failure of the movie --the inability to get the audience more involved in the romance or feel for O & D.

commedable effort, not transcendental
good points..

but let me ask this .. Is this PRIMARILY a) a love story or b) a story of a strong man whose strengths (and weaknesses) are exploited through intrigue by his enemy leading to tragic results for him. I think it is the latter and the love story (one of his weaknesses)was given sufficient play for it to support the main theme.

Maybe, for the target audience it is catering to, the "love story" aspect of the movie should have been played up more - but I am not sure how Vishal could have pulled that off...well, that is his next challenge, I suppose, given that he has to make commercially viable good cinema. [A song-n-dance routine between O&D, filmed in Switzerland, perhaps ;D]
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« Reply #54 on: August 01, 2006, 06:49:45 PM »
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but let me ask this .. Is this PRIMARILY a) a love story or b) a story of a strong man whose strengths (and weaknesses) are exploited through intrigue by his enemy leading to tragic results for him. I think it is the latter and the love story (one of his weaknesses)was given sufficient play for it to support the main theme.

Maybe, for the target audience it is catering to, the "love story" aspect of the movie should have been played up more - but I am not sure how Vishal could have pulled that off...well, that is his next challenge, I suppose, given that he has to make commercially viable good cinema. [A song-n-dance routine between O&D, filmed in Switzerland, perhaps ]


Actually I am glad that there was no song and dance routine.

And I agree that part of the story is about a strong man who is exploited angle. But a large part of the appeal of the character lies from the reader's / audience identifying with his plight and fate, and his love life is an integral part of that.

Without the identification with the person, the climax falls flat because the tragedy never really plays out. This is the point I was trying to get at -sorry if I made a hash of explaining my POV earlier.
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« Reply #55 on: August 01, 2006, 09:22:45 PM »
LN this one is for you

Though Aamir Khan and director Vishal Bhardwaj could not work together in 'Mr. & Mrs Singh' due to "creative differences" (as per Vishal) , the choosy actor was very much interested in 'Omkara' .

According to the 'Omkara' director, "Aamir wanted to play the role of 'Langda Tyagi', which Saif Ali Khan has played. But you know how it is – there's a lot between wanting to play a role and actually playing it. Aamir was busy with his other projects."

However there is no animosity between Vishal and Aamir as is being speculated. Aamir recently attended the special screening of Omkara where he was seen chatting up with Bharadwaj.

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« Reply #56 on: August 02, 2006, 02:45:41 PM »
And now over to my favorite Desi movie critic. (I have told this before and I am telling again - this guy is good)

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Raja Sen | August 02, 2006 | 17:43 IST

Omkara blew my mind.

I can't remember the last time I said that about Hindi cinema, something I am force-fed once a week, on average. Vishal Bhardwaj's film, however, is a superlative-exhausting work of passion and tribute, skill and style. Spellbinding stuff.

Here, in no particular order, are five reasons I love Omkara.

Language: The words, the words. Soiled with heartland grime, the dialogues come at you with a superb realism disarming to most of us used to synthetic (at best; usually just trite tripe) often-familiar Hindi screenplays. Vishal, insistent on writing his dialogues himself, has drawn massively into his Uttar Pradesh upbringing and scripted a masterpiece -- the words are raw yet poetic, abusive yet literate, mundane yet metaphoric.

Transferring the Bard into bhaiyya-speak (no offense, Bhardwaj bhai) is as uphill as tasks get, but Omkara manages with a flourish, displaying deft nuances while sticking extremely close to the source material. The metaphors and idioms are magical, and there's a consistent strain of wry humour running through the lines.

And I'm immensely, even selfishly grateful they haven't bowed down to market strains by toning the dialect down into more-comprehensible Hindi. Spending considerable time explaining dialogues to a bewildered Parsi buddy, I was glad to have been exposed to enough of the flavour and tone of the words up in Delhi. While the feel is as pure as it gets, a massive part of the country will not follow most of what is said, even listening intently.

Maybe the reason the film isn't doing too well here but efficiently abroad is due to subtitled prints. Honestly, even while relishing the lines in the theatre, I couldn't help but lip-smackingly think how great it would be to savour the words on a well-subtitled DVD.

Loyalty: So sue me, I'm a purist. A fervent Bard lover, I wasn't a huge fan of Maqbool. In my opinion, the director went too far out on a limb, and his denying the ghost and the witches muddled up the final act. The film was very well-crafted, Pankaj Kapur and Tabu were superb but that's about it. Anyway, I digress.

As plays go, Othello is my favourite among the Tragedies, largely because it features Shakespeare's finest character, Iago. Bhardwaj too seemed to find little wrong with the original, for even while he transposed it into a completely different time and setting, he's hardly wavered from the script.

Othello: Was not that Cassio parted from my wife?

Iago: Cassio, my lord! No, sure, I cannot think it,
that he would steal away so guilty-like,
seeing you coming.

The translations are almost literal, even as the characters bark into mobile phones and watch showgirls dazzle policemen. The changes are but superficial, as the telltale handkerchief takes on the avatar of a precious cummerbund handed down from generations past. Not finding much individual use for Duke, Antonio and members of the council, Bhardwaj rolls them all into his wily Bhaisaab.

Conversant with the play, it's a delight to watch Vishal take the familiar moments and play them his way, piling on scene after scene straight from the play, but each given his own quirky twists and styling. The challenge doesn't lie in the changes, but in staying true.

It's often audacious just how neatly the script references Shakespeare, and the film's end is ruthlessly, beautifully loyal.

The players, and their choosing: While on beauty, it is impossible to not be mesmerised by Kareena Kapoor, who looks her best as she fittingly plays Desdemona. 'That whiter skin of hers than snow and smooth as monumental alabaster,' as the dark Moor described his bride, is positively luminous in Kareena's Dolly Mishra. Her character is one of the hardest to essay, as she goes through love and awe, fear and bewilderment, defiance to her father and submission to her man.

Kareena doesn't have the lines, but she has moments demanding powerful use of expression, and she delivers. Conversely, even as she proves what difference a director makes, Vivek Oberoi's Cassio is tragically cardboard, as if daring someone to make him act. This results in an unexpected (I'm assuming) effect, as we lose sympathy completely for Kesu Firangi, beginning almost to root for the cripple.

And what a marvellous cripple he is. So much has been written about Saif Ali Khan's Langda Tyagi, and so much it inevitably falls short. Suffice it to say that it is a bravura performance, and he crucially achieves the rare fine line: he overwhelms yet utterly disgusts; we are incredulous in adulation of his detailing; we will him to die.

Omkara marks Saif's emergence into the very forefront of his acting peers, and we gleefully applaud. He's so, so wonderfully loathsome, right down to the tiniest detail. And he has the finest, finest lines, each worthy of being on a t-shirt. His only competition there is his wife. Konkona Sensharma, always a great actress, is steadily piling on the brilliance. She has but a few minutes, but they are glorious and vital.

Othello is a tricky role, a leading man eclipsed by the villain. Yet the Moor is a brooding and compelling character, and Ajay Devgan does valiantly with his material. Omkara strips Othello of the racism, exchanging his black skin for surprisingly inconsequential half-Brahminism. Ajay's best bits are when restrained, and while there is a bit of a seen-that feel to his character, by the time the film is over, you realise just how unflinchingly solid he's been.

Naseeruddin Shah has no histrionics as Bhaisaab, but tons of the quiet dignity his character demands. A warm hand must also be reserved for the excellent Deepak Dobriyal, whose Rodrigo (here Rajju) turn is precious and integral to the narrative. And finally, just where did Vishal find that terrific old lady?

Sights and sounds: Omkara is a slow film, a poetically drawn out work that mercifully doesn't try to rush itself. The violence, while rampant, remains atmospheric -- it is there for effect, as a backdrop, to pretend that the film has pace. Cinematographer Tassaduq Hussain -- whose short films made as a film student in the US thrilled Vishal -- has framed the film deliciously, each shot neatly boxing in light, shadows and high drama. Samir Chanda's art direction is masterful, the sets evocative and realistic, exaggerated enough to be theatrical while detailed enough to be convincing.

Enter Bhardwaj the composer. This is a fabulous soundtrack, as Vishal's irresistible folksy tunes fit tidily into the film, enhancing and never once interrupting the lazy narrative. The theme song is used unexpectedly, during the first fight scene -- and it is this maverick, almost slapdash fashion of filmmaking that makes Vishal thrilling to watch. Even the two full-blown dance numbers work well, Beedi serving almost as an interruption to Iago's devilish thoughts, and Namak often pacily interrupted, relegated to background score. Best used is the Jag jaa song, and Vishal's weaving it into the narrative is inspiringly good.

Creativity: For all his loyalty to the Bard, this is such an original take on Shakespeare. Lines from the original manifest themselves sporadically here, and not always in dialogue. Iago is the green-eyed monster, Saif's character is unmistakably shot with green-tinted light; Omkara plays the black Moor, emphasized by his shawl the colour of midnight. It's how perfectly the filmmaker decides to incorporate these touches that make this his film.

Oh, but then there's also so much all Vishal's own. Something that stood out for me was his take on good and evil. Bhaisaab, the kind of warlord who casually orders trains to turn around, bears more than a passing resemblance to Mahatma *hi; Iago, the articulate embodiment of all evil, is here called Ishwar.

Omkara is a very special film, the kind that comes around rarely, making you instantly long for a repeat viewing and the filmmaker's next project. One hopes it won't be long. Salutations, Vishal Bhardwaj, and thanks for the film.>

PS: If this is what happens when a music director watches a Krysztof Kieslowski film, maybe we should send around box sets to Anu Malik and A R Rahman.
 
 

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« Reply #57 on: August 16, 2006, 05:28:17 AM »
..and here are some interesting links to making of this classic!

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/8ooZ0ofaEqE&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/8ooZ0ofaEqE&rel=0</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/fgPlsA6PFWk&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/fgPlsA6PFWk&rel=0</a>

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Oh, I cant wait to get hold of the DVD for this movie!
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Re: OMKARA..
« Reply #58 on: August 16, 2006, 05:42:47 AM »
Very Good movie. Liked it immensely and hope Vishal comes up with more such gems.
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Re: OMKARA..
« Reply #59 on: August 16, 2006, 01:52:45 PM »
Two more posts from blogosphere..
http://www.ipatrix.com/2006/07/30/omkara/
http://priyadarshini.wordpress.com/2006/07/30/omkara/



haven't seen the movie but came across this review while traversing the blogosphere.

http://brangan.easyjournal.com/entry.aspx?eid=3011791


Wow good reviews all around for this movie

Have to watch it

I thought you were going y'day


yeah but ended up going bowling instead- decision dictated by the fairer sex!


You allow that to happen!??


Hhe isnt married ... so is still inclined to have sex :)
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