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Re: Toor Dal shortage in US..
« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2006, 09:36:02 AM »
Don't you guys get Masoor Dal (Red Lentils) in the US? It is as good as Toor Dal for Sambhar and it cooks much faster.Moreover it comes from many different countries and not just from India.



Sacrilage!! Such attrocities shall not be uttered. Next you will tell me that normal onions can be substituted for the small onions!!!!  ;D
Agree..my friends wife makes a killer Sambhar with those small onions. I cant fathom how normal onions (or even Mock's suggestion of shallots) can be subbed for them. Well never tried, but cannot see it.

hey, i said that shallots are BETTER than pearl onions and did not say that they make the real thing! the key to getting the real flavour in onion sambhar is to crush some onions and add to the daal while cooking it. (note: am no cook and all these tidbits are picked up from assorted friends' moms)

OK.
Me no cook either. Unfortunately, know enough about food to be a critic!

but you are a husband - how can you NOT be a cook?   ;D
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Re: Toor Dal shortage in US..
« Reply #41 on: July 14, 2006, 09:51:43 AM »
Hmm...Is chana dal the same as chick peas?

i think chana dal is from the black variety of chick peas. kala chana dish made the punjabi style is quite delicious .

And none makes it better than "Tandoor" in Blore  :)

umm..i had it made by a punjabi woman (a friend's mother) and that's the best i've tasted. usually, the restaurant food is too heavy and laden with too much spice for my taste. but shall remember to check out Tandoor when i visit B'lore next.



And try out Angeethi and Bombay Post too !!
Angeethi...yum. Isnt that on the terrace of that hotel - I am forgetting the name. They have a nice Banarasi Pan shop there too.
BTW, What do you guys think of Samarkand. ..When Kumble was batting during St Kitts test, I was yelling - Meal at Samarkand on me, if you stay another over - he waved his bat back at us between overs! He he he he

Yup !! On the terrace of Museum Inn hotel on Museum Road. Haven't been to Samarkand. Will try sometime.
Try yelling like that in an Indian stadium....you won't be able to hear yourself... :D
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Re: Toor Dal shortage in US..
« Reply #42 on: July 14, 2006, 09:53:19 AM »
Mock,
I hope they video taped ur dance! Lasting memories. :P

ha! i refused to go to the stage and dance and this idjet kept calling me. i felt like throwing a plate at his face. and then he made this grand comment on the mike, "she is shy". IDJET - no, make that "filtered IDJET" :)



hehehe....vadikattina muttal  ::)
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Re: Toor Dal shortage in US..
« Reply #43 on: July 14, 2006, 09:56:17 AM »
Hmm...Is chana dal the same as chick peas?

i think chana dal is from the black variety of chick peas. kala chana dish made the punjabi style is quite delicious .

And none makes it better than "Tandoor" in Blore  :)

umm..i had it made by a punjabi woman (a friend's mother) and that's the best i've tasted. usually, the restaurant food is too heavy and laden with too much spice for my taste. but shall remember to check out Tandoor when i visit B'lore next.



And try out Angeethi and Bombay Post too !!
Another one.. I think it is called Queen (it is low-key, I think opposite Bhima's Andhra food place, very close to the hotel that has Angeethi) and has great North Indian food...with excellent Tandoori Rotis (BTW, getting them right is an ART)

How could one forget that...Queens is the place mate....the phulkas ...we would hog a dozen for lunch...with the onions and spciy chutney to go with...the dum aloo, the palak....This is unbearable

I am going there tomorrow for lunch
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Re: Toor Dal shortage in US..
« Reply #44 on: July 14, 2006, 12:14:12 PM »
Don't you guys get Masoor Dal (Red Lentils) in the US? It is as good as Toor Dal for Sambhar and it cooks much faster.Moreover it comes from many different countries and not just from India.



no tamilian worth his/her salt with settle for masoor dal or any other daal to replace the toor daal in sambhar :)

that said, i don't care for sambhar.



just so that you know, sambhar also does not care about you  >:( >:( >:(
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Re: Toor Dal shortage in US..
« Reply #45 on: July 14, 2006, 01:04:58 PM »
My wife told me about this a few days ago...I laughed it off. Now I am told by a friend in Michigan, the prices have doubled/tripled in the last few days.

Is this real? Are others facing this issue too?

Sorry..this has nothing to do with cricket or the Mumbai blasts (the hot topic on DG)..but just curious.
Losing:She is absoultely right.  Normally a 4lb toor dal pack in NJ typically costs you $2.99.  To my surprise it was $6.99 this past weekend.    Now of all places NJ is where you get Ind. groceries for one of the lowest prices, if not the lowest.  So that is the situation.
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Re: Toor Dal shortage in US..
« Reply #46 on: July 14, 2006, 01:09:51 PM »
Don't you guys get Masoor Dal (Red Lentils) in the US? It is as good as Toor Dal for Sambhar and it cooks much faster.Moreover it comes from many different countries and not just from India.



no tamilian worth his/her salt with settle for masoor dal or any other daal to replace the toor daal in sambhar :)

that said, i don't care for sambhar.



just so that you know, sambhar also does not care about you  >:( >:( >:(

 :'(  well, i will just have to find solace in rasam, kootu and molaguttal.
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Re: Toor Dal shortage in US..
« Reply #47 on: July 14, 2006, 01:35:25 PM »
The best dosai, sambhar, chutney, thali I have ever had was in Calcutta! I have had them in Andhra Pradesh (Rajahmundry and H'bad), Tamil Nadu (Madras, P'cherry), K'taka (B'lore, Mysore) and Maharashtra (Bombay, Nagpur) and at a Tamil home.

There is a place in Calcutta that we called Kamala Vilas (I think the actual name was Komala Vilas) that used to be utterly fabulous
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Re: Toor Dal shortage in US..
« Reply #48 on: July 14, 2006, 01:54:46 PM »
Losing:She is absoultely right.  Normally a 4lb toor dal pack in NJ typically costs you $2.99.  To my surprise it was $6.99 this past weekend.    Now of all places NJ is where you get Ind. groceries for one of the lowest prices, if not the lowest.  So that is the situation.

Kban/Dex can you please change the name of this forum to "Desi auraton ka milan". Its amazing, for a male dominated forum we have too many people interested in the price of Toor Dal. Next war on this dg would be between people considering Kala chana tastier than white chana!

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Re: Toor Dal shortage in US..
« Reply #49 on: July 14, 2006, 02:38:06 PM »
Losing:She is absoultely right.  Normally a 4lb toor dal pack in NJ typically costs you $2.99.  To my surprise it was $6.99 this past weekend.    Now of all places NJ is where you get Ind. groceries for one of the lowest prices, if not the lowest.  So that is the situation.

Kban/Dex can you please change the name of this forum to "Desi auraton ka milan". Its amazing, for a male dominated forum we have too many people interested in the price of Toor Dal. Next war on this dg would be between people considering Kala chana tastier than white chana!


CP, frankly, sorry to say but that is a subtle sexist tone to your post. consider the following

1. do you mean to say only women are supposed to cook?
2. since only they cook, only they need to worry about prices?

I remember a instance when Mushraff said, "we are not wearing bangles to sit and wait while India attacks". Vajpayee's response was something to the effect, "we don't use such examples which demean our women, but coming to wearing bangles, in India those who wear bangles also can teach a lesson or two to pakistanis.".

Anyway, Dex/Kban1, please ban or warn CP for hurting Women's feelings. :)
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Re: Toor Dal shortage in US..
« Reply #50 on: July 14, 2006, 02:38:42 PM »
oh forgot to add, Kban1, please do not mince any words in condemning CP about this post  ;D
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Re: Toor Dal shortage in US..
« Reply #51 on: July 14, 2006, 02:41:26 PM »
CP my friend, when our wives complain, we listen and try to take care of the situation. If you do not, start doing so NOW!! Consider this a friendly notice wrapped in a smiley  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Toor Dal shortage in US..
« Reply #52 on: July 14, 2006, 02:47:18 PM »
My wife told me about this a few days ago...I laughed it off. Now I am told by a friend in Michigan, the prices have doubled/tripled in the last few days.

Is this real? Are others facing this issue too?

Sorry..this has nothing to do with cricket or the Mumbai blasts (the hot topic on DG)..but just curious.
Losing:She is absoultely right.  Normally a 4lb toor dal pack in NJ typically costs you $2.99.  To my surprise it was $6.99 this past weekend.    Now of all places NJ is where you get Ind. groceries for one of the lowest prices, if not the lowest.  So that is the situation.
Thanks Rams. I agree..if it goes up in NJ...it has to be much more everywhere else. Oh well, first gas prices and now this. what is Bush upto? He is not good for Indians. Dal is such a staple of us. ;D ;D
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Re: Toor Dal shortage in US..
« Reply #53 on: July 14, 2006, 03:05:17 PM »
CP, frankly, sorry to say but that is a subtle sexist tone to your post. consider the following

1. do you mean to say only women are supposed to cook?
2. since only they cook, only they need to worry about prices?

I remember a instance when Mushraff said, "we are not wearing bangles to sit and wait while India attacks". Vajpayee's response was something to the effect, "we don't use such examples which demean our women, but coming to wearing bangles, in India those who wear bangles also can teach a lesson or two to pakistanis.".

Anyway, Dex/Kban1, please ban or warn CP for hurting Women's feelings. :)

Flute, my friend...ofcourse there is a sexist tone. I never said only women are supposed to cook. Though I was pointing out the prevalant thought that women worry about price of onions more than men do!

I have impecable sources for this information (not these lallu sources like Wikpedia)

Source 1) Editor of Crimes of India in the classic Mr India. When he is explaining his cross connections he mentions house wives discussing the price of Bhaji

Source 2) Saif Ali Khan in Hum Tum: when he is deriding Rani Mukherjee for women always worrying about small stuff. "Ek Tamatar, Ek Dhaniye ka patta"

hence proved! (not sure what I was proving though)

oh forgot to add, Kban1, please do not mince any words in condemning CP about this post  ;D

In a civilized world the punishment should be suitable for the crime. Can I just be hanged instead?
CP my friend, when our wives complain, we listen and try to take care of the situation. If you do not, start doing so NOW!! Consider this a friendly notice wrapped in a smiley  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Toor Dal shortage in US..
« Reply #54 on: July 14, 2006, 03:39:19 PM »

Flute, my friend...ofcourse there is a sexist tone. I never said only women are supposed to cook. HEck who is going to do the laundry and clean that pooing kid and make sure all fridge is stocked, eh?


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Re: Toor Dal shortage in US..
« Reply #55 on: July 14, 2006, 03:51:31 PM »

Flute, my friend...ofcourse there is a sexist tone. I never said only women are supposed to cook. HEck who is going to do the laundry and clean that pooing kid and make sure all fridge is stocked, eh?



Damn you Achu. I just changed my baby's Diaper! And who runs out to pick up Chinese or Desi take out? Huh Huh ? Why I even load up the dish washer (occasionally)! I am as modern as they get!  ;D
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Re: Toor Dal shortage in US..
« Reply #56 on: July 14, 2006, 04:00:15 PM »

Flute, my friend...ofcourse there is a sexist tone. I never said only women are supposed to cook. HEck who is going to do the laundry and clean that pooing kid and make sure all fridge is stocked, eh?



Damn you Achu. I just changed my baby's Diaper! And who runs out to pick up Chinese or Desi take out? Huh Huh ? Why I even load up the dish washer (occasionally)! I am as modern as they get!  ;D

uh-oh CP hope you are not turning into what adwallahs call the detergent dad. you know the guys who wash their own stains in the commercials. yes the same guys who are sweet to their mainlaw and wear condoms because they care . the guy who finally gets divorced because their woman thinks he is boring.

 ;D ;D ;D

of course not CP is as desi as they come. no danger there.  ;D ;D ;D no number of diapers is goign to change that,


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Re: Toor Dal shortage in US..
« Reply #57 on: July 14, 2006, 04:44:08 PM »
My wife told me about this a few days ago...I laughed it off. Now I am told by a friend in Michigan, the prices have doubled/tripled in the last few days.

Is this real? Are others facing this issue too?

Sorry..this has nothing to do with cricket or the Mumbai blasts (the hot topic on DG)..but just curious.
This has started atleast 3 weeks before in Bay area
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« Reply #58 on: July 14, 2006, 04:55:40 PM »
uh-oh CP hope you are not turning into what adwallahs call the detergent dad. you know the guys who wash their own stains in the commercials. yes the same guys who are sweet to their mainlaw and wear condoms because they care . the guy who finally gets divorced because their woman thinks he is boring.

 ;D ;D ;D

of course not CP is as desi as they come. no danger there.  ;D ;D ;D no number of diapers is goign to change that,


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Hopefully. I am going to go yell at my wife and kids just to be sure. Its been 15 years in the US you know. Cant forget our roots! Additionally got to support my caste (whatever it is) , and gotra (whatever it means) and state (Delhi is a state right?) before my country. Yes that would make me a true Indian. In sports Delhi's Sehwag is more important than India winning. In real world ... voting based on my caste etc is more important than voting for national issues of security etc.

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« Reply #59 on: July 14, 2006, 06:51:34 PM »
Don't you guys get Masoor Dal (Red Lentils) in the US? It is as good as Toor Dal for Sambhar and it cooks much faster.Moreover it comes from many different countries and not just from India.



Sacrilage!! Such attrocities shall not be uttered. Next you will tell me that normal onions can be substituted for the small onions!!!!  ;D

do you use the pearl onions? i find them rather bland and the vengaya sambhar isn't quite the same. shallots make a better option. or wait a min, you go to the indian store and buy the real thing?

Desi store mah friend, desi store. I try to get ingrediants for desi stuff from desi stores as much as possible
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Re: Toor Dal shortage in US..
« Reply #60 on: July 14, 2006, 07:05:57 PM »
My wife told me about this a few days ago...I laughed it off. Now I am told by a friend in Michigan, the prices have doubled/tripled in the last few days.

Is this real? Are others facing this issue too?

Sorry..this has nothing to do with cricket or the Mumbai blasts (the hot topic on DG)..but just curious.
This has started atleast 3 weeks before in Bay area
All things start in Bay Area..and then travel elsewhere. The rest of the country is a TL (in DD's honor).  ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #61 on: July 15, 2006, 03:33:03 AM »
Guys, if anyone wants toor dal, let me know. I have been stocking up for sometime. Ramshorns, I'll sell you some in bulk for 5.49. Thats a good 1.5$ cheaper. Anybody else..??
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« Reply #62 on: July 15, 2006, 07:43:31 AM »
Guys, if anyone wants toor dal, let me know. I have been stocking up for sometime. Ramshorns, I'll sell you some in bulk for 5.49. Thats a good 1.5$ cheaper. Anybody else..??

Will u sell it to us for runs?
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« Reply #63 on: July 15, 2006, 11:00:40 AM »
Guys, if anyone wants toor dal, let me know. I have been stocking up for sometime. Ramshorns, I'll sell you some in bulk for 5.49. Thats a good 1.5$ cheaper. Anybody else..??
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« Reply #64 on: July 15, 2006, 02:53:13 PM »
Guys, if anyone wants toor dal, let me know. I have been stocking up for sometime. Ramshorns, I'll sell you some in bulk for 5.49. Thats a good 1.5$ cheaper. Anybody else..??
Being the weekend I am going food shopping today.  I will see what they have to offer and let you know.  If it is in the $4 range I am buying it there.
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Re: Toor Dal shortage in US..
« Reply #65 on: July 15, 2006, 04:04:34 PM »
Guys, if anyone wants toor dal, let me know. I have been stocking up for sometime. Ramshorns, I'll sell you some in bulk for 5.49. Thats a good 1.5$ cheaper. Anybody else..??
Being the weekend I am going food shopping today.  I will see what they have to offer and let you know.  If it is in the $4 range I am buying it there.

and maybe we can fight in person as i stay right around oak tree  ;D
my mom is forcing us to eat mung ki dal because of this toor dal shortage  >:(
but its about time that the stuff in then indian market was priced higher, the prices are ridiculously cheap compared to the prices that i know of in india. i think an oiled toor dal costed about 30 rs per kg and here a 4 pounder as you rightly pointed costed 3, too cheap...
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« Reply #66 on: July 15, 2006, 05:07:27 PM »
flute, I dont show partiality in business. Anyone is welcome to buy from me as long as I am the one making the profiit :D
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« Reply #67 on: July 15, 2006, 08:43:50 PM »
My wife told me about this a few days ago...I laughed it off. Now I am told by a friend in Michigan, the prices have doubled/tripled in the last few days.

Is this real? Are others facing this issue too?

Sorry..this has nothing to do with cricket or the Mumbai blasts (the hot topic on DG)..but just curious.
This has started atleast 3 weeks before in Bay area
All things start in Bay Area..and then travel elsewhere. The rest of the country is a TL (in DD's honor).  ;D ;D ;D

including beeping flu viruses ;D
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« Reply #68 on: July 17, 2006, 08:08:13 AM »
Losing:She is absoultely right.  Normally a 4lb toor dal pack in NJ typically costs you $2.99.  To my surprise it was $6.99 this past weekend.    Now of all places NJ is where you get Ind. groceries for one of the lowest prices, if not the lowest.  So that is the situation.

Kban/Dex can you please change the name of this forum to "Desi auraton ka milan". Its amazing, for a male dominated forum we have too many people interested in the price of Toor Dal. Next war on this dg would be between people considering Kala chana tastier than white chana!

At least Vajpayee had the courage to say that.I do not think that our current "bangle wearing" PM will have that kind of guts to say that.

On Flutes sexist remarks:
I would like to point out to Flute that most good cooks in this world are men - see any restaurant in India or abroad,they are all men.I know many men - including me - who cook very well.I also buy groceries once in a while though I am not a Toor Dal fanatic.In the coastal part of Karnataka where "Sambhar" originally comes from (Udupi),people make "Sambhar Equivalents (not substitutes)" with many different kinds of Dals including one tasty one with Horse Grams.




CP, frankly, sorry to say but that is a subtle sexist tone to your post. consider the following

1. do you mean to say only women are supposed to cook?
2. since only they cook, only they need to worry about prices?

I remember a instance when Mushraff said, "we are not wearing bangles to sit and wait while India attacks". Vajpayee's response was something to the effect, "we don't use such examples which demean our women, but coming to wearing bangles, in India those who wear bangles also can teach a lesson or two to pakistanis.".

Anyway, Dex/Kban1, please ban or warn CP for hurting Women's feelings. :)
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« Reply #69 on: July 17, 2006, 08:09:22 AM »
Vincent,
Which is ur post above - i think it got mixed in the quoted text.
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« Reply #70 on: July 17, 2006, 08:11:50 AM »
Losing:She is absoultely right.  Normally a 4lb toor dal pack in NJ typically costs you $2.99.  To my surprise it was $6.99 this past weekend.    Now of all places NJ is where you get Ind. groceries for one of the lowest prices, if not the lowest.  So that is the situation.

Kban/Dex can you please change the name of this forum to "Desi auraton ka milan". Its amazing, for a male dominated forum we have too many people interested in the price of Toor Dal. Next war on this dg would be between people considering Kala chana tastier than white chana!
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CP, frankly, sorry to say but that is a subtle sexist tone to your post. consider the following

1. do you mean to say only women are supposed to cook?
2. since only they cook, only they need to worry about prices?

I remember a instance when Mushraff said, "we are not wearing bangles to sit and wait while India attacks". Vajpayee's response was something to the effect, "we don't use such examples which demean our women, but coming to wearing bangles, in India those who wear bangles also can teach a lesson or two to pakistanis.".

Anyway, Dex/Kban1, please ban or warn CP for hurting Women's feelings. :)

At least Vajpayee had the courage to say that.I do not think that our current "bangle wearing" PM will have that kind of guts to say that.

On Flutes sexist remarks:
I would like to point out to Flute that most good cooks in this world are men - see any restaurant in India or abroad,they are all men.I know many men - including me - who cook very well.I also buy groceries once in a while though I am not a Toor Dal fanatic.In the coastal part of Karnataka where "Sambhar" originally comes from (Udupi),people make "Sambhar Equivalents (not substitutes)" with many different kinds of Dals including one tasty one with Horse Grams.




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Re: Toor Dal shortage in US..
« Reply #71 on: July 17, 2006, 08:15:45 AM »
Vincent,
Which is ur post above - i think it got mixed in the quoted text.

Sorry Fineleg. Yes,I mixed it up.

Here is my response to Flute/Ramshorns:

At least Vajpayee had the courage to say that.I do not think that our current "bangle wearing" PM will have that kind of guts to say that.

On Flutes sexist remarks:
I would like to point out to Flute that most good cooks in this world are men - see any restaurant in India or abroad,they are all men.I know many men - including me - who cook very well.I also buy groceries once in a while though I am not a Toor Dal fanatic.In the coastal part of Karnataka where "Sambhar" originally comes from (Udupi),people make "Sambhar Equivalents (not substitutes)" with many different kinds of Dals including one tasty one with Horse Grams.

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« Reply #72 on: July 17, 2006, 08:20:31 AM »
What is "horse" grams? and is the below really true? interesting...
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« Reply #73 on: July 17, 2006, 09:47:26 AM »
What is "horse" grams? and is the below really true? interesting...
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In the coastal part of Karnataka where "Sambhar" originally comes from (Udupi)

Horse Gram:

These are dark Grey/brown flat lentils which take enormous amount of time to get cooked to pulp.(1 hour in pressure cooker). The paste looks black at the end.The reason why they are called horse gram is because in the olden days people used to give the pulp (after cooking it whole night in open fire) to the bullocks and horses to give them strength.They are supposed to have extreme high level of proteins.Over the years,the people realized that they can make a tasty dish out of the left over liquid and some amount of lentil pulp and a vegetable like the Cucumber-Pumpkin (Southe Kai).

Udupi and Sambhar:

Actually a lot of todays vegetarian dishes - including Thali - come from Udupi.The Sri Krsishna Tenple at Udupi (The place of Madhva Acharya),which feeds 5000 people a day since centuries is credited for inventing the Udupi Cusine including Idlis and other things (There are also credited for inventing the first real good fast food (Thali) a century and a bit before McDonalds invented their junk).Over the number of years the Udupi cusine has travelled all over India and abroad and has mixed a lot with other cusines.Whether the Sambhar in its current version comes from Udupi or not,I do not know.But one of its original versions,such as Saaru is still quite a popular variety.In todays recipes you will find Udupi Sambhar,Mysore Sambhar,Madras Sambhar etc,with some small variations.

Having said the above,one should know that the sothern coastal Karnataka Region (Mangalore,Udupi etc) belonged to Madras Presidency for a long long time,until 1956.Hence there was a lot of mutual influence with Tamil cuisine especially in the Vegetarian space.
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Re: Toor Dal shortage in US..
« Reply #74 on: July 17, 2006, 06:59:21 PM »
Vincent,
Applause for a good explanation and a kban-esque one too.
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Re: Toor Dal shortage in US..
« Reply #75 on: July 18, 2006, 02:16:06 AM »
All this recent food discussion had me digging up information from the very informative book by K.T. Achaya, "Indian food - a historical companion".

Idli : The first mention of idli in literature seems to be "iddalige" in the Vaddaradhane, a work in Kannada in the year AD 920, where it figures as one of the eighteen items seved to a brahmachari who visits the home of a lady. There are some other references in the literature but in all of them, upto 1250 AD, three elements of modern idli-making are missing :the use of grits along with urad daal, the long fermentation of the mix and the steaming of the batter to fluffiness. There is also a suggestion by Achaya that the origin of modern idli may have been Indonesia. The Indonesians have a product very similar to the idli, called the kedli and the cooks of the Hindu kings of Indonesia, during their visits home (often to look for brides) between the eighth and twelfth century brought the innocative fermentation technique to South India.

Dosai: Tamil Sangam literature in the 6th century AD mentions the dosai but not the idli, which only appears in Kannada literature four centuries later. The Manasollasa written in the twelfth century AD in Sanskrit mentions the dhosaka, for which only pulses, and no rice were used.

Chilli: There is no mention whatsoever of the chilli in Indian literature before the sixteenth century AD. In AD 1563 the meticulous book of Garcia da Orta, the doctor-botanist does not record it, and in AD 1590, not a single recipe of the fifty or more given in the Ain-i-Akbari uses anything other than pepper to achieve pungency. The chilli must have entered India soon after the voyages of Vasco Da Gama. The great south Indian composer Purandaradasa (AD 1480-1564) sang of the chili - "I saw you green, then turning redder as you ripened, nice to look at and tasty in a dish, but too hot if an excess is used. Savior of the poor, enhancer of good food, even to think of (the deity) Panduranga Vittala is difficult"".

Vada: Termed 'vataka', the vada is fully described even in the Dharma Sutras (800-300BC) as soaked, coarsely ground and fermented pulses, fashioned into various shapes and deep-fried in ghee. Patanjali (2 BC) also has a reference. the first reference to dahi-vada appears in Apabrahmasatrayi, where it mentions vatakas of several kind dipped in milk and curd.

Coffee: The first mention in writing in the Indian context is by Edward Terry, 1618 AD, using an anglicization of an Arabic word: 'Many of the people who are strict about their religion use no wine at all. They use a liquor more healthful than pleasant which they call cohha: a black seed boiled in water, which little alters the taste of the water. Notwithstanding, it is very good to help digestion, to quicken the spirits and cleanse the blood." Sixty years later, Jean de Thevenot remarked that in Sindh the brahmins drank nothing but 'water wherein they put coffee and tea.' Coffee was brought to India by the Arab traders. Coffee plants originated in Ethiopia and went to Yemen in Saudi Arabia.


So, a full South Indian breakfast could have been had circa 1625 :-)


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Re: Toor Dal shortage in US..
« Reply #76 on: July 18, 2006, 02:45:58 AM »
one of the eighteen items seved to a brahmachari who visits the home of a lady

..and all I got was Laddoos. Dang!

Notwithstanding, it is very good to help digestion, to quicken the spirits and cleanse the blood.

There we go..I knew someone would dig something up to prove that my "15 cups a day" is actually good for me.
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Re: Toor Dal shortage in US..
« Reply #77 on: July 18, 2006, 03:07:46 AM »
one of the eighteen items seved to a brahmachari who visits the home of a lady

..and all I got was Laddoos. Dang!

Notwithstanding, it is very good to help digestion, to quicken the spirits and cleanse the blood.

There we go..I knew someone would dig something up to prove that my "15 cups a day" is actually good for me.

Go to slashdot.org. You will find articles that say coffee is good for you, and then some that say coffee is bad for you.

Read them all, then go to thinkgeek.com and order all the caffeinated goodness you can afford. PM me for my address and forward 10% of your caffeine purchases to me for refererring you to such good sites. Live long and prosper ( vulcan  hand salute optional)
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Re: Toor Dal shortage in US..
« Reply #78 on: July 23, 2006, 08:46:17 PM »
Went for grocery shopping this morning.  Toor dal price in NJ for a 8lb bag is $9.99
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Re: Toor Dal shortage in US..
« Reply #79 on: July 23, 2006, 08:52:51 PM »
So the prices have come down. I recall you saying 4lbs at $6.99. Appears like heading back to normalcy
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