Topic: Name ur one and ONLY one TOP Favorite Batsman and Bowler of ALL-TIME (Read 1694 times)

fineleg · « **on:** July 05, 2006, 09:09:31 PM »

Name ur one and ONLY one TOP Favorite Batsman and Bowler of ALL-TIME
(can be from any country, any era) - does'nt have to be based on stats or style or anything.
Just ur personal Favorite for whatever reason u may choose to have it so.

You can mention a runner-up favorite, if u like to do so.

But remember ONLY one name in the TOP favorite and one name in the RUNNER-UP (dont cheat - u gotta make a TOP choice of one person).

My all-time TOP batsman: Sachin Tendulkar
Runner-UP favorite: Sir Vivian Richards {mostly hearsay has me awed on this great master blaster}

My all-time TOP bowler: Wasim Akram
Runner-UP favorite: Michael Holding {mostly hearsay has me awed on this fantastic bowler - BTW, his run-up is still the smoothest i have seen}

yorker · « **Reply #1 on:** July 05, 2006, 09:14:48 PM »

Batsman
Best - Vivian Richards
Runner up - Ricky Ponting

Bowlers
Best - Wasim Akram
Runner up - Curtly Ambrose

pieterSAN · « **Reply #2 on:** July 05, 2006, 10:54:38 PM »

If I restrict myself to the people I have seen - it is easy. SRT and Glenn Mcgrath.

sgusa · « **Reply #3 on:** July 06, 2006, 12:04:15 AM »

SRT, Azhar (just for that one over of Zulu at Eden gardens !!)

Waqar, Mcgrath

kban1 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 06, 2006, 12:54:11 AM »

SMG / Viv

Marshall

Aloo Kashmiri Ul Haq · « **Reply #5 on:** July 06, 2006, 12:58:05 AM »

all rounder - imran khan
batsman - sachin tendulkar
bowler - dont know

fineleg · « **Reply #6 on:** July 06, 2006, 12:59:05 AM »

Quote from: kban1 on July 06, 2006, 12:54:11 AM

SMG / Viv

Marshall

Kban,
Any reason u single out Marshall amongst the other WI pacers?
Can someone tell me among all these greats, how they were different? Was one more bouncy, one more a swing bowler, someone else more of a raw pace etc?
I am trying to understand between:
1. Marshall
2. Roberts
3. Holding
4. Garner
5. Colin Croft
6. Pat Patterson (perhaps not so famous)
Any others I'm missing?

kban1 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 06, 2006, 01:19:05 AM »

fineleg:

Marshall is the only bowler who put the fear of god in you even when you were in the spectator's seat or back home watching on TV. And I say this in a comparative sense --comparing with Garner, Roberts, Holding, Patterson & Ambrose -- that should give you an inkling.

You just knew each and every one of his six deliveries was capable of knocking the batsman over.

He was fast (90+ anyday, I suspect if they had clocked every ball like they do now, he would have exceeded 100 many a times), had a wierd action which was intimidating in itself, and to top it off his deliveries skidded off the pitch. He had amazing control, could seam and swing the ball at that pace, and had a very good bouncer to boot.

And his best delivery was a wicked ball which would rear up from short of length onto the batsman's chest / neck while swinging away towards slip -- I have lost count of the number of natsmen who were forced to play a shot and ended up gloving it to the keeper / slips. By definition, it was an unplayable delivery and you had to play it because of where it started.

Whats more is that he is about the only speedstar I have seen who was effective on a dead wicket.

A quick persual of his figures should tell you how good he was.

tests W Best Avg 5W/I 10W/M Runs per Over Strike rate

81 376 7/22 20.94 22 4 2.68 46.22

dextrous · « **Reply #8 on:** July 06, 2006, 01:25:11 AM »

Andy Flower, for his sheer grit, playing for a poor team troubled by politics. Besides, I met him and he was quite cool.

Kapil Dev, without whom, I wouldn't have become interested in cricket

(Also, met him at the same time, incidentally, though he was being harassed by a dumb drunk idiot so didn't get a chance to chat)

toney · « **Reply #9 on:** July 06, 2006, 01:33:35 AM »

Batsman: SRT
Runner up: Dravid (I thought Ponting till recently but RD is a better player of spin)

Bowler: Akram and Warnie (cant decide who is better, sorry)

Poochandi · « **Reply #10 on:** July 06, 2006, 01:40:28 AM »

Best batsmanu: Mattai Ravi Sasthiram
Bestu Bowlerlu: Venkatesa Prasadham

prfsr · « **Reply #11 on:** July 06, 2006, 02:05:28 AM »

Like kban, I would say Marshall -- in my case that was because I saw much more of him than Garner or Croft. With my limited knowledge and fading memory, let me try to distinguish the WI pacers. First Garner. His distinguishing feature was not speed but bounce. He was VERY tall and banged the ball in. Also cut it both ways. He was not superfast but I do not have numbers.

Roberts and Holding were classical fast bowlers. Both had very good actions. Roberts had a traditional high delivery stride action. I do not think I followed cricket when he was really fast. Holding was all silk and effortless running in and because of that he had many many variations in pace. His runup was hard to describe....very languid and seemed more like a jog than a sprint. Both Holding and Roberts had the whole arsenal. Pace, bounce, swing, cut, all the goodies.

Marshall was very atypical -- a short, stout, skiddy bowler who sprinted in *fast* from a diagonal runup and seemed like he was going to charge the umpire! He too was a complete quick but (as I said) looked very different from the others.

Incidentally Marshall was a very raw rookie when he toured India in 1978-79.
He was very thin and I remember that he had a routine that he followed. At the end of his run up he would pull up his pants, kiss his cross and charge in. Rookie bowler on flat pitches -- the batsmen made merry on him.

Check this scorecard
http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1970S/1978-79/WI_IN_IND/WI_IND_T3_29DEC1978-03JAN1979.html
I watched this match live. SMG who had scored a century in I1 was on 182 near the end of day 4 and DBV was 150 odd. Pataudi (then not connected with the team in any way) sent a note from the press box saying that SMG should declare before the end of the day so that the bowlers could have a go. SMG declared immediately on 182 not out!

WI finally drew the test by ridiculously wasting time. There were no 90 over per day clause then.

-P

fineleg · « **Reply #12 on:** July 06, 2006, 02:14:47 AM »

Thanks kban and Prfsr - I've seen some Marshall and he fits the description correctly - just wanted a comparison in general.
Attaching below stats for folks to study ( I created this as jpg so we can use it here).

Libran · « **Reply #13 on:** July 06, 2006, 02:51:08 AM »

Quote from: Poochandi on July 06, 2006, 01:40:28 AM

Best batsmanu: Mattai Ravi Sasthiram
Bestu Bowlerlu: Venkatesa Prasadham

Hilarious

MockTurtle · « **Reply #14 on:** July 06, 2006, 02:54:21 AM »

Quote from: ravi1010 on July 06, 2006, 02:51:08 AM

Quote from: Poochandi on July 06, 2006, 01:40:28 AM
Best batsmanu: Mattai Ravi Sasthiram
Bestu Bowlerlu: Venkatesa Prasadham

Hilarious

what does "mattai" mean? same as "mottai"?

Libran · « **Reply #15 on:** July 06, 2006, 03:06:19 AM »

Quote from: MockTurtle on July 06, 2006, 02:54:21 AM

Quote from: ravi1010 on July 06, 2006, 02:51:08 AM
Quote from: Poochandi on July 06, 2006, 01:40:28 AM
Best batsmanu: Mattai Ravi Sasthiram
Bestu Bowlerlu: Venkatesa Prasadham

Hilarious

what does "mattai" mean? same as "mottai"?

Mattai is a piece of flat wood

mottai is a tonsured head

The mottai with a mattai is torture !!

And mattai on a mottai is murder

squarecut · « **Reply #16 on:** July 06, 2006, 03:16:51 AM »

Batsmen:
1)King Viv
2)SRT,Azza

Bowlers:
Akram
Marshall

Blwe_torch · « **Reply #17 on:** July 06, 2006, 06:50:44 AM »

Batsman....Lawrence Rowe ....SG

*...may I add...SRT, Vishy...Srikkanth.

Bowlers......Colin Croft/ Kapil Dev/ Andy Roberts/ Richard Hadlee/Alan Donald.

k-slice · « **Reply #18 on:** July 06, 2006, 09:30:11 AM »

Batsman-SRT
bowler-Wasim akram

keep-it-cool · « **Reply #19 on:** July 06, 2006, 09:42:14 AM »

Batsman - 1) SRT; 2) Viv Richards
Bowler - 1) W Akram; 2) Marshall

chetan · « **Reply #20 on:** July 06, 2006, 11:08:44 AM »

Dravid and Muralitharan

achutank · « **Reply #21 on:** July 06, 2006, 11:47:54 AM »

Favourite:
SRT, Kapil Dev

Best i Have seen:
Viv, Marshall (if anybody wants to know how bad can vengence get one should see the Kill Bill carnage in Kanpur'83. In one evening Marshall made sure the world knew who were the World Champs and who were the pretenders). i wish we could tapes of that. there were only two answers to them fasties in that series - SMG's bat and the Colonel's body.

vijay · « **Reply #22 on:** July 06, 2006, 11:56:55 AM »

Sunil Gavaskar
Imran Khan

OldPal · « **Reply #23 on:** July 06, 2006, 12:15:27 PM »

SRT
WAkram

hastalavistababy · « **Reply #24 on:** July 06, 2006, 03:34:20 PM »

batsman: ODI(SRT, SG) test(SRT RD).
bowler: Richard Hadlee,Muralitharan.

squarecut · « **Reply #25 on:** July 06, 2006, 03:52:30 PM »

Quote from: achutank on July 06, 2006, 11:47:54 AM

Favourite:
SRT, Kapil Dev

Best i Have seen:
Viv, Marshall (if anybody wants to know how bad can vengence get one should see the Kill Bill carnage in Kanpur'83. In one evening Marshall made sure the world knew who were the World Champs and who were the pretenders). i wish we could tapes of that. there were only two answers to them fasties in that series - SMG's bat and the Colonel's body.

I have seen SMG's bat flying off his hand and Marshall took a catch of his own bowling SMG went for duck. He was a terror in that series on dead pitches.

squarecut · « **Reply #26 on:** July 06, 2006, 03:53:45 PM »

Quote from: keep-it-cool on July 06, 2006, 09:42:14 AM

Batsman - 1) SRT; 2) Viv Richards
Bowler - 1) W Akram; 2) Marshall

We both like same ones

flute202020 · « **Reply #27 on:** July 06, 2006, 04:20:45 PM »

I like to confine myself to present lot because I haven't seen the bygone era batsman and my judgement will only be as good as the ones recounting it for me. Having said that, here are my Favs

Tests: RD : I like him because of his sheer tenacity and his persistence in maximizing his potential & talent. I know there are other batsman who are more gifted and more talented SRT, Lara or Ponting for example, but I like RD for his application and his performance when the chips are down and his contribution in his team's all major victories. Actually, I think RD is better than SRT atleast in tests.

ODIs: SRT, for his brilliance and his consistency over a long period and also considering the pressure he absorbed while attaining his success, of course based on talent & skill, he was the best in the world during his prime playing days.

toney · « **Reply #28 on:** July 07, 2006, 03:56:44 AM »

No one likes Warnie?

fineleg · « **Reply #29 on:** July 07, 2006, 03:59:19 AM »

Quote from: toney on July 07, 2006, 03:56:44 AM

No one likes Warnie?

I guess sofar whoever has posted has not felt him fav enuf to post as top 1 or 2.

dhruvdeepak · « **Reply #30 on:** July 07, 2006, 04:00:29 AM »

SRT and Warne

runners up:

Mark Waugh and Wasim Akram

pieterSAN · « **Reply #31 on:** July 07, 2006, 04:18:02 AM »

Quote from: jiet on July 05, 2006, 10:54:38 PM

If I restrict myself to the people I have seen - it is easy. SRT and Glenn Mcgrath.

Modification -

SRT and Mcgrath are the best in the business I have seen. But in terms of entertainment, Mark Waugh and Shane Warne.

I hope Kevin Pietersen will become my favorite all time batsman by the time he finishes his career.

dhruvdeepak · « **Reply #32 on:** July 07, 2006, 04:57:20 AM »

psht. quit cheering for the motherland. the WC is over

fineleg · « **Reply #33 on:** July 07, 2006, 07:09:22 AM »

Quote from: dhruvdeepak on July 07, 2006, 04:57:20 AM

psht. quit cheering for the motherland. the WC is over

I was confused abt this until I just now happend to see the beckham thread...Now, I understand what dd is talking abt here!

dhruvdeepak · « **Reply #34 on:** July 07, 2006, 08:15:18 AM »

Quote from: fineleg on July 07, 2006, 07:09:22 AM

Quote from: dhruvdeepak on July 07, 2006, 04:57:20 AM
psht. quit cheering for the motherland. the WC is over

I was confused abt this until I just now happend to see the beckham thread...Now, I understand what dd is talking abt here!

progress on the tl front.... sorta

sudzz · « **Reply #35 on:** July 07, 2006, 10:49:27 AM »

Bowlers
Fav #1 Malcolm Denzil Marshall
Fav #2 Craig McDermott

Batsmen
Fav # 1 Sir Vivian Richards
Fav # 2 Zaheer Abbas

thirdman · « **Reply #36 on:** July 07, 2006, 12:03:58 PM »

All time
Batting : Mark Waugh
Fast Bolwing: Allan Donald
Spin Bowling : Warne

Current
Batting : KP
Fast Bolwing: Shane Bond
Spin Bowling: Kaneria

Cover Point · « **Reply #37 on:** July 07, 2006, 02:42:30 PM »

What part of One and only one did 90% of people on this thread not understand? The TL school should be brimming this session!

Batsman: Gavaskar (Yes Kban ..he is my fav too)
Bowler: Kumble (close call with Kapil Dev)

kingcool1432 · « **Reply #38 on:** July 07, 2006, 02:59:59 PM »

Quote from: Cover Point on July 07, 2006, 02:42:30 PM

What part of One and only one did 90% of people on this thread not understand? The TL school should be brimming this session!

Batsman: Gavaskar (Yes Kban ..he is my fav too)
Bowler: Kumble (close call with Kapil Dev)

This is just a wild guess, but think its this part :

Quote from: fineleg on July 05, 2006, 09:09:31 PM

You can mention a runner-up favorite, if u like to do so.

But remember ONLY one name in the TOP favorite and one name in the RUNNER-UP (dont cheat - u gotta make a TOP choice of one person).

poondu · « **Reply #39 on:** July 07, 2006, 06:44:30 PM »

Quote from: ravi1010 on July 06, 2006, 03:06:19 AM

Quote from: MockTurtle on July 06, 2006, 02:54:21 AM
Quote from: ravi1010 on July 06, 2006, 02:51:08 AM
Quote from: Poochandi on July 06, 2006, 01:40:28 AM
Best batsmanu: Mattai Ravi Sasthiram
Bestu Bowlerlu: Venkatesa Prasadham

Hilarious

what does "mattai" mean? same as "mottai"?

Mattai is a piece of flat wood

mottai is a tonsured head

The mottai with a mattai is torture !!

And mattai on a mottai is murder

Good one Ravi. Applause

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AuthorTopic: Name ur one and ONLY one TOP Favorite Batsman and Bowler of ALL-TIME (Read 1694 times)

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