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[fineleg]

This is not to criticize heavily on Day-1. But...
This is to make sure that we note a few poor deczns by the rookie umpire...

Now, lets see if they are consistent when India bats...Any small stride by WI batsmen and LBW's were refused. And when pad and bat were very close, they were not given even if PAD hit first.

To track the consistency, use this thread to update any poor or good deczns by umpires in T3.

[fineleg]

Anil Kumble was extremely frustrated today with the deczns and for some rightfully so.

MP was a bit unlucky.

As I said, watch for consistency from UMPs.

[fineleg]

Sehwag 2 successive LBW appeal against Sarwan...first one was fairly plumb, Not given.

Again even a small stride (the smallest stride) and not being given.

We need to see if India take a small stride forward, when a Gayle or Samuels or Bravo or whoever bowls, whether this UMP will "then" raise the finger. That will pathetic if they do so.

[kwatra]

Add Sarwan to Sehwag's first ball. Was hitting middle and leg.

[fineleg]

From sightscreen
By  Prem Panicker  03:00 | 23/Jun/2006 |

Full article: http://sightscreen.rediffiland.com/scripts/xanadu_diary_view.php?postId=1151011858

Extracting the 6 or 7 umpiring related comments here for discussion:

1.
"Ramnaresh Sarwan, coming back in at three, began with a flicked four off his pads off the first ball he faced, but off the last ball of the same over, was lucky when he pushed forward to a good length delivery outside off, and found the ball cut back in to take his pads."

2.
"Sreesanth, who like Munaf got the ball to do things off the deck in this session, was unlucky when in the 43rd over, he beat Ganga with a delivery seaming away late to find the feather edge, only for the appeal to be turned down (Ganga at that point 48/122; Windies 155/1)."

3.
"At the other end, Kumble had a couple of very good LBW shouts turned down against Sarwan, who as in the previous game continued to play the leg spinner with bat well behind pad."

4.
"The thing about pressure, though, is it takes a tremendous amount of concentration to keep it up – and Kumble, frustrated by LBW appeals and even a bat-pad catch being turned down by umpire Brian Jerling of South Africa, lost the plot in the 53rd over and dragged the ball down short on two occasions, allowing Sarwan room to cut him first behind, then through, point; the batsman then shimmied down to cart the leggie through midwicket in the next over."

5.
"While on this phase, I suspect Kumble did himself no favors by occasionally appealing for rubbish, or very marginal calls – a debutant umpire deluged with a stream of shouts, at least some dodgy, is apt to get bull-headed about it and turn them down for spite."

6.
"At the other end, Virender Sehwag (whose face splitting smile alone is indicator of how much he is enjoying bowling, these days) took the ball in the 60th over and in his very first over, had a very good shout against Ganga go the way of the batsman (196/1 at that point; 60/176 Ganga). Unlike his off-spinning partner, Sehwag focused on bowling very full, and between the wickets, giving the batsman almost no room to maneuver."

[fineleg]

Use the # above to discuss, and any further incidents tag it as #7...etc for easy discussion.
As we go through match if possible I will add to these.

[kwatra]

My prophecy is that when India bats, all the close-long-stride LBW appeals would be asked of Rudi Koertzen. He will uphold them. We will seeth with anger but nevertheless won't be able to complain about inconsistency!! Hope I am proven wrong..

[fineleg]

My prophecy is that when India bats, all the close-long-stride LBW appeals would be asked of Rudi Koertzen. He will uphold them. We will seeth with anger but nevertheless won't be able to complain about inconsistency!! Hope I am proven wrong..

Thats a problem yes

[dextrous]

Well, unlike match refree decisions, which are clearly biased toward Asian countries, I do not think umpiring decisions are. At the end it all evens out. Depending on which county's fan site you visit, you will always be presented with two dozen examples of the great wrong done to the team. Fact is, when it's favorable, we are less likely to even notice.

[kwatra]

Well, unlike match refree decisions, which are clearly biased toward Asian countries, I do not think umpiring decisions are. At the end it all evens out. Depending on which county's fan site you visit, you will always be presented with two dozen examples of the great wrong done to the team. Fact is, when it's favorable, we are less likely to even notice.

It DOES NOT always even out. If we are not likely to notice a wrong decision in our team's favor, that does not make it right. Two wrongs don't make a right! The outcome of the game should depend on the actual proceedings, not on the quirks of the umpires. I am really hoping the appeals process, when it comes, is a success, and is eventually employed in test cricket as well..

[dextrous]

Well, unlike match refree decisions, which are clearly biased toward Asian countries, I do not think umpiring decisions are. At the end it all evens out. Depending on which county's fan site you visit, you will always be presented with two dozen examples of the great wrong done to the team. Fact is, when it's favorable, we are less likely to even notice.

It DOES NOT always even out. If we are not likely to notice a wrong decision in our team's favor, that does not make it right. Two wrongs don't make a right! The outcome of the game should depend on the actual proceedings, not on the quirks of the umpires. I am really hoping the appeals process, when it comes, is a success, and is eventually employed in test cricket as well..

Welcome to cricket!

[kwatra]

Well, unlike match refree decisions, which are clearly biased toward Asian countries, I do not think umpiring decisions are. At the end it all evens out. Depending on which county's fan site you visit, you will always be presented with two dozen examples of the great wrong done to the team. Fact is, when it's favorable, we are less likely to even notice.

It DOES NOT always even out. If we are not likely to notice a wrong decision in our team's favor, that does not make it right. Two wrongs don't make a right! The outcome of the game should depend on the actual proceedings, not on the quirks of the umpires. I am really hoping the appeals process, when it comes, is a success, and is eventually employed in test cricket as well..

Welcome to cricket!

Are you one of those who believe in romanticizing umpires' inaccuracies?

[dextrous]

Well, unlike match refree decisions, which are clearly biased toward Asian countries, I do not think umpiring decisions are. At the end it all evens out. Depending on which county's fan site you visit, you will always be presented with two dozen examples of the great wrong done to the team. Fact is, when it's favorable, we are less likely to even notice.

It DOES NOT always even out. If we are not likely to notice a wrong decision in our team's favor, that does not make it right. Two wrongs don't make a right! The outcome of the game should depend on the actual proceedings, not on the quirks of the umpires. I am really hoping the appeals process, when it comes, is a success, and is eventually employed in test cricket as well..

Welcome to cricket!

Are you one of those who believe in romanticizing umpires' inaccuracies?

No, but the tone of your last post made it sound as if this is a new phenomenon when in truth it has been a part of the game at all levels for as long as it has existed. Clearly, the game has prospered in spite of the umpiring errors from time to time.

[justforkix]

No, but the tone of your last post made it sound as if this is a new phenomenon when in truth it has been a part of the game at all levels for as long as it has existed. Clearly, the game has prospered in spite of the umpiring errors from time to time.

Actually the standard of umpiring seems to have gone down because of a combination of better technology exposing more umpiring errors and lower quality of umpires. Can't do anything with the former Regarding the latter, ICC is not at all addressing the basic issue here. Improving quality of umpires by increasing the quantity of umpires, thereby reducing the amount of travel etc. This would help increasing their concentration and focus. How to get more umpires - just increase pay, give bonuses for correct decisions, monetary penalties for wrong decisions.

[kwatra]

No, but the tone of your last post made it sound as if this is a new phenomenon when in truth it has been a part of the game at all levels for as long as it has existed. Clearly, the game has prospered in spite of the umpiring errors from time to time.

I am not sure what part of what I wrote indicates that I think it is a new phenomenon. To clarify, I DON'T think that it is new. It has been there all along but that does not mean we have to live with it forever. It is an aspect of cricket I have never liked. And I don't agree with the argument that it all evens out.. That is all I was saying.

[fineleg]

Jer-beep-ling is AWESOME!
Did u see the HS bowling - HS had Colly lbw PLUMB *u cannot get it plumber* n *Straighter*
Jer-beep-ling says NOT OUT

(Then next ball HS bowled Colly).

WATCH THIS M#$#$#$#$#$ during Ind Inn - then all LBW will be given...watch...BEEP-ling.

[bala]

Jerlomg reminds me of playing tape-ball, 8 overs a side cricket.
The umpire counts balls, gives wides and no-balls, and gives everything else not-out.
Of course - no LBWs allowed in the game.

[fineleg]

Jerlomg reminds me of playing tape-ball, 8 overs a side cricket.
The umpire counts balls, gives wides and no-balls, and gives everything else not-out.
Of course - no LBWs allowed in the game.

But that tape ball ump did same to both sides?
Watch beep-ling - he will give lbw when WI appeal.

[fineleg]

From Prem:

For that umpire to raise his hands to this one is precisely the kind of thing that causes heartburn and, in more heated minds, trigger the sort of ‘racist’ talk that has Malcolm Speed coming up with his own version of the Gettysburg address.....You’ve got to say this for the umpire, if not consistent, he is at least fair. Having spent one entire innings giving everything to the batsmen, he is now spending the next innings giving it all to the bowlers; fair enough.

[keep-it-cool]

Look i dont care if jerling gives the entire benefit to the batsmen ... probably, even he (like many on this DG) is of the opinion that Kaif is not a batsman!!