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[123of]

i am happy wi odi series was difficult.

and that we lost by 4/1 margin.

i knew the series would be difficult and i wanted it to be as difficult for the team, captain and the support staff as possible.

and it was as hard as it could get from all front.

players getting injured, cramping.

bowlers not finding the line.

batsman not consistent.

fielding at all time low.

running between the bad.

wicket keeping bad.

shot selection bad.

But I am glad the captain didn’t worry about the defeats and gave all his team mates different experience at different position and situation  in batting and bowling . even at the expense of looking like a fool. He kept the faith and worked towards the future. We fans would be crying over the series but Rahul Dravid knows there is a bigger picture and for that the team needs to go through new feelings. I am happy to be part of the learning curve by watching the matches as I was happy when we were winning series after series. It was very important we have a series like this and that It happen in the wi odi series makes it even better.

And I trust Dravid to learn from the experience and make sure the team put it to good work.

So far it has been fascinating to be part of Dravid journey as the captain of Indian team .

Is has been as interesting as his career before he became captain.

For a cricketer considered to be boring by many, his career has been nothing sort of a very engrossing emotional book, where each new chapter brought an unpredictable and surprising turn. His earnest and devotion to cricket and his team is a value which will take our team to new learning path which will bring progressive growth now that he is the captain and finally given the right to shape Indian team. We have already seen the benefit but ofcorse we are greedy and want result pronto.

We forget he has been captain only from oct 26. 2005 to may 2006. in long term that’s not even a second . Dravid the player has shown what you can achieve as a sportsman even though we were so impatient with him, forever nitpicking his game , we don’t have patience with the cricketer Dravid even now , but thankfully for us he did, and we fans reaped the rewards. We should be patient with the captain and the team now, but for fans it is easier said then done but we are lucky for Rahul Dravid is patient and he will keep working on the process of learning and  we the fans for all our emotional see saw will be the ultimate beneficiary.

I would be worried if Dravid started gesticulating in impatient. till then fans and media posturing and gesticulating in outpouring of emotion after every win and loss is just part of fun  .

but please don’t tell me Mr. Clive Lloyd that Laxman, Sachin, Ganguly and Kumble would have won us the wi odi series . we have lost enough series with them . they have all the experience they can handle in losing , their broken bone  wouldn’t have learnt  anything new by losing .

our young team and captain have given many memorable wins, give them the right to lose few matches, for all of you know bad and painful experience teach you sometime more than good and happy ones.

[Libran]

And we are all happy for you....Happy that you have so many excuses for a defeat

[arjun]

i am happy wi odi series was difficult.

and that we lost by 4/1 margin.



But I am glad the captain didn’t worry about the defeats and gave all his team mates different experience at different position and situation  in batting and bowling . even at the expense of looking like a fool.

 His earnest and devotion to cricket and his team is a value which will take our team to new learning path which will bring progressive growth now that he is the captain and finally given the right to shape Indian team. We have already seen the benefit but ofcorse we are greedy and want result pronto.

We forget he has been captain only from oct 26. 2005 to may 2006. in long term that’s not even a second .

I would be worried if Dravid started gesticulating in impatient. till then fans and media posturing and gesticulating in outpouring of emotion after every win and loss is just part of fun  .

This is just to write that I immensely enjoyed the above quotes. Please give us more.

[flute202020]

but please don’t tell me Mr. Clive Lloyd that Laxman, Sachin, Ganguly and Kumble would have won us the wi odi series . we have lost enough series with them . they have all the experience they can handle in losing , their broken bone  wouldn’t have learnt  anything new by losing .

our young team and captain have given many memorable wins, give them the right to lose few matches, for all of you know bad and painful experience teach you sometime more than good and happy ones.

very well said. While I can understand the eagerness to make 'experience' the main issue, I think it is only one of the reasons and we also have to remember we had enough humiliating defeats when all these experienced players were part of the team. applause

[bouncer]

u must be the eternal happy soul. how can losing 1-4 to an 8th ranked team bring about such joy?

[dave_dj]

Bouncer - to achieve that state of eternal happiness, you need to graduate from the chappelway school.  What's in a loss? Get the bigger picture - experiments are on in the laboratory of Indian cricket - don't you read what Shastri says.  We as a nation are learning about chappelway - once we learn that there will be no poverty, hunger and all that bad stuff - we will experience eternal happiness - we will be no 1 nation in the world.

[justforkix]

very well said. While I can understand the eagerness to make 'experience' the main issue, I think it is only one of the reasons and we also have to remember we had enough humiliating defeats when all these experienced players were part of the team. applause

poor captaincy and coching interms of on-field decisions and off-field strategy were the main causes for defeat. But having Rao and RU and not VVS/SG/Badani didn't give too many choices w.r.t. playing XI. Just because we lost so many games with these experienced guys, we go to the other extreme now !!!!!!!!!

[dave_dj]

That's a very simplistic logic - because we lost with experienced people so experience people must be bad and inexperienced people will do it for us.  Anyways, I think we all (other than people with hidden agenda) understand that we need a blend of experience and youth.

[vijay]

We forget he has been captain only from oct 26. 2005 to may 2006. in long term that’s not even a second . Dravid the player has shown what you can achieve as a sportsman even though we were so impatient with him, forever nitpicking his game , we don’t have patience with the cricketer Dravid even now , but thankfully for us he did, and we fans reaped the rewards. We should be patient with the captain and the team now, but for fans it is easier said then done but we are lucky for Rahul Dravid is patient and he will keep working on the process of learning and  we the fans for all our emotional see saw will be the ultimate beneficiary.

I would be worried if Dravid started gesticulating in impatient. till then fans and media posturing and gesticulating in outpouring of emotion after every win and loss is just part of fun  .

but please don’t tell me Mr. Clive Lloyd that Laxman, Sachin, Ganguly and Kumble would have won us the wi odi series . we have lost enough series with them . they have all the experience they can handle in losing , their broken bone  wouldn’t have learnt  anything new by losing .

our young team and captain have given many memorable wins, give them the right to lose few matches, for all of you know bad and painful experience teach you sometime more than good and happy ones.

Hey, if captaining from Oct. 2005 through May of 2006 is not even a second. Then even if Dravid is captain for ten years, you would be saying "wait.. he only became captain a few seconds ago." So I suggest that we make Dravid "captain for life".

Laxman, Sachin et. al. could have helped you win this ODI series. For one, these are proactive players who would not have been easily contained by guys like Gayle and Samuels. I am all for trying new guys and not panicking. But don't think that veterans  have no role to play. The idea of bringing new guys into the mix, is in part- to instill a sense of competition and not to let veterans rest on their laurels. Well, if you discard the veterans that easily, then you are allowing the new guys to become lazy without having achieved anything. Tendulkar went for 10 plus years before confronting a lean patch. Ganguly had a very good run until the last couple of years. So these are producers, who know a thing or two about winning- including taking India to a WC final. Guys like that have earned the right to compete for spots with this current bunch.

But, what the heck lets just give this current bunch a life time appointment. Don't want to interfere with the "teaching experience". After all, what is ten years? Not even ten seconds...   

 

[arjun]

Dear 123of, I am curious. Are you GC in disguise? Because you both share a deeply metaphysical bent of mind, and a panache for quotable quotes.

[kban1]

well said vijay, good points --applause

[flute202020]

We forget he has been captain only from oct 26. 2005 to may 2006. in long term that’s not even a second . Dravid the player has shown what you can achieve as a sportsman even though we were so impatient with him, forever nitpicking his game , we don’t have patience with the cricketer Dravid even now , but thankfully for us he did, and we fans reaped the rewards. We should be patient with the captain and the team now, but for fans it is easier said then done but we are lucky for Rahul Dravid is patient and he will keep working on the process of learning and  we the fans for all our emotional see saw will be the ultimate beneficiary.

I would be worried if Dravid started gesticulating in impatient. till then fans and media posturing and gesticulating in outpouring of emotion after every win and loss is just part of fun  .

but please don’t tell me Mr. Clive Lloyd that Laxman, Sachin, Ganguly and Kumble would have won us the wi odi series . we have lost enough series with them . they have all the experience they can handle in losing , their broken bone  wouldn’t have learnt  anything new by losing .

our young team and captain have given many memorable wins, give them the right to lose few matches, for all of you know bad and painful experience teach you sometime more than good and happy ones.

Hey, if captaining from Oct. 2005 through May of 2006 is not even a second. Then even if Dravid is captain for ten years, you would be saying "wait.. he only became captain a few seconds ago." So I suggest that we make Dravid "captain for life".

Laxman, Sachin et. al. could have helped you win this ODI series. For one, these are proactive players who would not have been easily contained by guys like Gayle and Samuels. I am all for trying new guys and not panicking. But don't think that veterans  have no role to play. The idea of bringing new guys into the mix, is in part- to instill a sense of competition and not to let veterans rest on their laurels. Well, if you discard the veterans that easily, then you are allowing the new guys to become lazy without having achieved anything. Tendulkar went for 10 plus years before confronting a lean patch. Ganguly had a very good run until the last couple of years. So these are producers, who know a thing or two about winning- including taking India to a WC final. Guys like that have earned the right to compete for spots with this current bunch.

But, what the heck lets just give this current bunch a life time appointment. Don't want to interfere with the "teaching experience". After all, what is ten years? Not even ten seconds...   

 

yes, experience can come in handy and we need to look at our options. But, lets look at the the two veterans you mentioned SRT & VVS. SRT is injured and cannot play. VVS was never a regular in ODIs and we cannot blame the team management for not selecting them on this tour. WC finals you mentioned never had any contribution from VVS(its a different matter that we should have selected him in WC03). As for results surely being different, lets not forget , this same experienced bunch, including VVS, repeatedly loses in SL. They went in 2004 for Asia cup, lost, went back in 2005 and lost again, with all the experience of low, slow pitches over the years. Lets also remember that in SL we mostly lose because of our batting failure. If I remember correctly, these veterans, knowing the conditions, go into a shell and bat too slowly and lose. Remember Asia cup final, SRT's batting, remember SG's slow 50 in 2005?

Having VVS or SRT doesn't automatically mean series victory.

[squarecut]

We forget he has been captain only from oct 26. 2005 to may 2006. in long term that’s not even a second . Dravid the player has shown what you can achieve as a sportsman even though we were so impatient with him, forever nitpicking his game , we don’t have patience with the cricketer Dravid even now , but thankfully for us he did, and we fans reaped the rewards. We should be patient with the captain and the team now, but for fans it is easier said then done but we are lucky for Rahul Dravid is patient and he will keep working on the process of learning and  we the fans for all our emotional see saw will be the ultimate beneficiary.

I would be worried if Dravid started gesticulating in impatient. till then fans and media posturing and gesticulating in outpouring of emotion after every win and loss is just part of fun  .

but please don’t tell me Mr. Clive Lloyd that Laxman, Sachin, Ganguly and Kumble would have won us the wi odi series . we have lost enough series with them . they have all the experience they can handle in losing , their broken bone  wouldn’t have learnt  anything new by losing .

our young team and captain have given many memorable wins, give them the right to lose few matches, for all of you know bad and painful experience teach you sometime more than good and happy ones.

Hey, if captaining from Oct. 2005 through May of 2006 is not even a second. Then even if Dravid is captain for ten years, you would be saying "wait.. he only became captain a few seconds ago." So I suggest that we make Dravid "captain for life".

Laxman, Sachin et. al. could have helped you win this ODI series. For one, these are proactive players who would not have been easily contained by guys like Gayle and Samuels. I am all for trying new guys and not panicking. But don't think that veterans  have no role to play. The idea of bringing new guys into the mix, is in part- to instill a sense of competition and not to let veterans rest on their laurels. Well, if you discard the veterans that easily, then you are allowing the new guys to become lazy without having achieved anything. Tendulkar went for 10 plus years before confronting a lean patch. Ganguly had a very good run until the last couple of years. So these are producers, who know a thing or two about winning- including taking India to a WC final. Guys like that have earned the right to compete for spots with this current bunch.

But, what the heck lets just give this current bunch a life time appointment. Don't want to interfere with the "teaching experience". After all, what is ten years? Not even ten seconds...   

 

yes, experience can come in handy and we need to look at our options. But, lets look at the the two veterans you mentioned SRT & VVS. SRT is injured and cannot play. VVS was never a regular in ODIs and we cannot blame the team management for not selecting them on this tour. WC finals you mentioned never had any contribution from VVS(its a different matter that we should have selected him in WC03). As for results surely being different, lets not forget , this same experienced bunch, including VVS, repeatedly loses in SL. They went in 2004 for Asia cup, lost, went back in 2005 and lost again, with all the experience of low, slow pitches over the years. Lets also remember that in SL we mostly lose because of our batting failure. If I remember correctly, these veterans, knowing the conditions, go into a shell and bat too slowly and lose. Remember Asia cup final, SRT's batting, remember SG's slow 50 in 2005?

Having VVS or SRT doesn't automatically mean series victory.

Very valid points. I was about to make the same comments regarding VVSL/SG. May be their expereince might have helped buts its subjective based on not so good past results.

[justforkix]

yes, experience can come in handy and we need to look at our options. But, lets look at the the two veterans you mentioned SRT & VVS. SRT is injured and cannot play. VVS was never a regular in ODIs and we cannot blame the team management for not selecting them on this tour. WC finals you mentioned never had any contribution from VVS(its a different matter that we should have selected him in WC03).

FYI : VVS has played in 20 of 24 ODI series from early 2001 to late 2005. Maybe he didn't play every game in ever saeries, but he was certainly part of the squad. if you consider not being in the XI consistently means not a regular, then itz OK. Just wanted to clear this up, since this seems to be a misconception among a lot of folks here.

PS : flute : this is neither for or against your post. Just an info.