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[fineleg]

Raina at #3 - BIG MISTAKE, I think.
Not having RU as regular opener - mistake.
Not bowling AA during opening spell - mistake.


Feel free to add to this list and/or elaborate other points.
Brickbats are rightfully needed today.

Its a SHAME that the team has let indians down.

[dextrous]

And let this one not be lost on anyone -- playing with five bowlers, when Irfan Pathan is not a damn all-rounder. Been saying this for months now.

[prfsr]

I think RU is largely untested and raw. RD must know that. That said, I think RD should not have opened.

AA for opening spell -- frankly I was hoping he would bring AA later and SS early. So I cannot blame him for this, even though it did not seem like a good decision.

I think the basic problem with 5 bats is that there is little room for error. With VS being a 'lottery' and Raina not shining much yet we started off being in trouble. And RD has not been convincing as opener after the century.

But these are all small issues. The biggest issue is that we have a by and large very young team, and they have played most matches in the subcontinent. It takes a while for players to hit the right consistency levels. So rookies are going to have off days.

Interestingly, in the NBA, they have a phenomenon called the rookie wall. The idea is that become coming to the pro league players play maybe 30-40 games a year. So the more talented rookies start well -- they are fresh, enthusiastic and raring to go. Halfway through the season, they have played around 40 games in 2 months! Their bodies cannot take it, they are not used to the travelling, the day-in-day-out focus on the game and of course the money. So they hit a metaphoric wall --  most rookies see little time the second half of the season. While this is not relevant for a veteran like Powar, guys like Raina and Chawla and RU might well be going through that phase.

-P

[LosingNow]

I think RU is largely untested and raw. RD must know that. That said, I think RD should not have opened.

AA for opening spell -- frankly I was hoping he would bring AA later and SS early. So I cannot blame him for this, even though it did not seem like a good decision.

I think the basic problem with 5 bats is that there is little room for error. With VS being a 'lottery' and Raina not shining much yet we started off being in trouble. And RD has not been convincing as opener after the century.

But these are all small issues. The biggest issue is that we have a by and large very young team, and they have played most matches in the subcontinent. It takes a while for players to hit the right consistency levels. So rookies are going to have off days.

Interestingly, in the NBA, they have a phenomenon called the rookie wall. The idea is that become coming to the pro league players play maybe 30-40 games a year. So the more talented rookies start well -- they are fresh, enthusiastic and raring to go. Halfway through the season, they have played around 40 games in 2 months! Their bodies cannot take it, they are not used to the travelling, the day-in-day-out focus on the game and of course the money. So they hit a metaphoric wall --  most rookies see little time the second half of the season. While this is not relevant for a veteran like Powar, guys like Raina and Chawla and RU might well be going through that phase.

-P

Good post. Applause

[fineleg]

Prfsr,
Good analogy. However I hope RU is not in the syndrome - he has hardly played any match.

[dextrous]

Interestingly, in the NBA, they have a phenomenon called the rookie wall. The idea is that become coming to the pro league players play maybe 30-40 games a year. So the more talented rookies start well -- they are fresh, enthusiastic and raring to go. Halfway through the season, they have played around 40 games in 2 months! Their bodies cannot take it, they are not used to the travelling, the day-in-day-out focus on the game and of course the money. So they hit a metaphoric wall --  most rookies see little time the second half of the season. While this is not relevant for a veteran like Powar, guys like Raina and Chawla and RU might well be going through that phase.

-P

If that is really the case, some of these kiddos should be playing on A tours and learning about how to play year round, rather than being brought in too early to the international stage. THis is not an academy, after all. Players should be brought in gradually, esp. given that there's no lack of experience in the country.

[fineleg]

Prem's update after end of match:
http://sightscreen.rediffiland.com//scripts/xanadu_diary_view.php?postId=1148677473

Now for the brickbats – the team has had a good long run; during this time, you’ve had one section of fans waiting for a stumble, for defeat (a strange way, it has always seemed to me, to follow a sport) just so as to be able to say ‘I told you so!’.

Didn’t happen against Sri Lanka, then the number two team in the world; not against Pakistan; not against South Africa; not against England – but finally the moment is here to bring out the knives.

Presumably, too, the fans following the fortunes of the team, as opposed to personalities, will have reason for heartburn. The team had just gotten everyone used to consistently good performances – and then, in this series, produced a consistently bad run.

=======================================================================

I really hope
"you’ve had one section of fans waiting for a stumble, for defeat (a strange way, it has always seemed to me, to follow a sport) just so as to be able to say ‘I told you so!’. " don't exist in reality - it may but i hope less of them the better -

All of us have heartburn. Let us all try to analyze together hopefully.

[natty]

Captaincy was not a major issue in this ODI.

Basically we got outplayed.  Happens sometimes.  With a little luck the series might have been 2-2.   

I'd be surprised if WI do not finish this series 4-1.  All their bowlers are performing to a plan, it seems and the batting is adequate.

[dextrous]

Prem's update after end of match:
http://sightscreen.rediffiland.com//scripts/xanadu_diary_view.php?postId=1148677473

Now for the brickbats – the team has had a good long run; during this time, you’ve had one section of fans waiting for a stumble, for defeat (a strange way, it has always seemed to me, to follow a sport) just so as to be able to say ‘I told you so!’.

Didn’t happen against Sri Lanka, then the number two team in the world; not against Pakistan; not against South Africa; not against England – but finally the moment is here to bring out the knives.

Presumably, too, the fans following the fortunes of the team, as opposed to personalities, will have reason for heartburn. The team had just gotten everyone used to consistently good performances – and then, in this series, produced a consistently bad run.

=======================================================================

I really hope
"you’ve had one section of fans waiting for a stumble, for defeat (a strange way, it has always seemed to me, to follow a sport) just so as to be able to say ‘I told you so!’. " don't exist in reality - it may but i hope less of them the better -

All of us have heartburn.

Aww, Prem is already defending his administration. How sweet. Strange, Prem, strange indeed that you would now talk about people "taking out the knives". Please, spare us the hypocrisy.

[fineleg]

I don't think this is 'defending the administration' - I dont see how this is that.

As for hypocrisy, unfortunately 'Truth is stranger than fiction'.
Prem may be quite right in predicting the existing of such a ' section of fans waiting for a stumble, for defeat '...I just hope it is a very small section.

U may not like Prem - but one thing is he is very clear and open - no hidden thingy - he feels it, he says it. That is something we can appreciate, no?

[prfsr]

RU is really a project:
consider his FC average

class  mat  inns  no  runs  hs  ave  bf  sr  100  50  4s  6s  ct  st
ODIs   2   2   0   98   86   49.00   120   81.66   0   1   13   1   1   0
First-class   20   32   0   1037   162   32.40   1777   58.35   1   6         24   0
List A   29   29   1   1140   160   40.71   1274   89.48   3   7         10   0

Contrast with Raina (a year younger)

class  mat  inns  no  runs  hs  ave  bf  sr  100  50  4s  6s  ct  st
ODIs   24   17   4   472   81*   36.30   618   76.37   0   3   43   3   9   0
First-class   23   40   3   1827   127   49.37   3392   53.86   2   14         28   0
List A   43   35   6   1274   129   43.93   1468   86.78   1   9         14   0


and Powar

 Batting and fielding averages
class  mat  inns  no  runs  hs  ave  bf  sr  100  50  4s  6s  ct  st
ODIs   13   8   3   107   54   21.40   159   67.29   0   1   10   1   0   0
First-class   69   87   12   2494   131   33.25         4   14         34   0
List A   65   45   11   632   80*   18.58         0   2         15   0

Presumably he was taken because they thought he was a special talent. That does not mean he is necessarily ready to play abroad. They should certainly play him the last match.

-P

[dextrous]

I don't think this is 'defending the administration' - I dont see how this is that.

As for hypocrisy, unfortunately 'Truth is stranger than fiction'.
Prem may be quite right in predicting the existing of such a ' section of fans waiting for a stumble, for defeat '...I just hope it is a very small section.

U may not like Prem - but one thing is he is very clear and open - no hidden thingy - he feels it, he says it. That is something we can appreciate, no?

Um, may I remind all the Prem pujaris, he himself was quite gleeful (and hopeful) of Indian losses during the Ganguly/Dalmiya rule. As flute pointed out in the other thread, he was tacitly even supportive of the green wicket prepared in nagpur by pawar and co. So, not sure what this new crap about "Some section" is unless he's talking about himself too. Of course, in his own mind, he was doing a great thing then and now his rhetoric to shield GC and the selectors from criticism by playing the patriotic card when it suits him...shouldn't go unnoticed even by prem pujaris.

[fineleg]

I don't think this is 'defending the administration' - I dont see how this is that.

As for hypocrisy, unfortunately 'Truth is stranger than fiction'.
Prem may be quite right in predicting the existing of such a ' section of fans waiting for a stumble, for defeat '...I just hope it is a very small section.

U may not like Prem - but one thing is he is very clear and open - no hidden thingy - he feels it, he says it. That is something we can appreciate, no?

Um, may I remind all the Prem pujaris, he himself was quite gleeful (and hopeful) of Indian losses during the Ganguly/Dalmiya rule. As flute pointed out in the other thread, he was tacitly even supportive of the green wicket prepared in nagpur by pawar and co. So, not sure what this new crap about "Some section" is unless he's talking about himself too. Of course, in his own mind, he was doing a great thing then and now his rhetoric to shield GC and the selectors from criticism by playing the patriotic card when it suits him...shouldn't go unnoticed even by prem pujaris.

So, what are u LPS pujari? I mean if one likes a journalist ABC, u dont have to label them ABC pujaris!

PP was "gleeful" of Indian losses and "hopeful" - that is a baseless accusation!

[dextrous]

I don't think this is 'defending the administration' - I dont see how this is that.

As for hypocrisy, unfortunately 'Truth is stranger than fiction'.
Prem may be quite right in predicting the existing of such a ' section of fans waiting for a stumble, for defeat '...I just hope it is a very small section.

U may not like Prem - but one thing is he is very clear and open - no hidden thingy - he feels it, he says it. That is something we can appreciate, no?

Um, may I remind all the Prem pujaris, he himself was quite gleeful (and hopeful) of Indian losses during the Ganguly/Dalmiya rule. As flute pointed out in the other thread, he was tacitly even supportive of the green wicket prepared in nagpur by pawar and co. So, not sure what this new crap about "Some section" is unless he's talking about himself too. Of course, in his own mind, he was doing a great thing then and now his rhetoric to shield GC and the selectors from criticism by playing the patriotic card when it suits him...shouldn't go unnoticed even by prem pujaris.

So, what are u LPS pujari? I mean if one likes a journalist ABC, u dont have to label them ABC pujaris!

PP was "gleeful" of Indian losses and "hopeful" - that is a baseless accusation!

Actually, fineleg, I do not even read the Telegraph. Perhaps you're confusing me with Kban. And please--you see, there's a difference between a journalist and a blogger. Journalists know cricketers and have real sources, something a blogger can only dream of.

Anyway, Prem Pujari rhymes and is catchy.

[bouncer]

I don't think this is 'defending the administration' - I dont see how this is that.

As for hypocrisy, unfortunately 'Truth is stranger than fiction'.
Prem may be quite right in predicting the existing of such a ' section of fans waiting for a stumble, for defeat '...I just hope it is a very small section.

U may not like Prem - but one thing is he is very clear and open - no hidden thingy - he feels it, he says it. That is something we can appreciate, no?

I have been reading columns for a long time. Not sure about this no hidden agenda.  I feel he always shoed one when SG was the captain.You of course may know him better through other channels.

[fineleg]

I don't think this is 'defending the administration' - I dont see how this is that.

As for hypocrisy, unfortunately 'Truth is stranger than fiction'.
Prem may be quite right in predicting the existing of such a ' section of fans waiting for a stumble, for defeat '...I just hope it is a very small section.

U may not like Prem - but one thing is he is very clear and open - no hidden thingy - he feels it, he says it. That is something we can appreciate, no?

Um, may I remind all the Prem pujaris, he himself was quite gleeful (and hopeful) of Indian losses during the Ganguly/Dalmiya rule. As flute pointed out in the other thread, he was tacitly even supportive of the green wicket prepared in nagpur by pawar and co. So, not sure what this new crap about "Some section" is unless he's talking about himself too. Of course, in his own mind, he was doing a great thing then and now his rhetoric to shield GC and the selectors from criticism by playing the patriotic card when it suits him...shouldn't go unnoticed even by prem pujaris.

So, what are u LPS pujari? I mean if one likes a journalist ABC, u dont have to label them ABC pujaris!

PP was "gleeful" of Indian losses and "hopeful" - that is a baseless accusation!

Actually, fineleg, I do not even read the Telegraph. Perhaps you're confusing me with Kban. And please--you see, there's a difference between a journalist and a blogger. Journalists know cricketers and have real sources, something a blogger can only dream of.

Anyway, Prem Pujari rhymes and is catchy.

I did not confuse, I was just using an example like say if u read XYZ journalist and happen to like that journalist, u dont have to be labeled - but its ok, I can leave it at this, and move on with the main discussion of this topic - RD's mistakes - what corrections RD/GC need to do etc.

[fineleg]

One more RD mistake (this was pointed out by Prem):
With nothing left to lose, Dravid gave Suresh Raina a bowl – and from the turn and bounce he got, you couldn’t help wondering why he never gets to bowl in earnest, at least for the odd two, three overs? Surely the point of building an ODI team is to bring together a lot of players who can contribute in more ways than one – the point of having them, then not using them, defeats me.



My addition:
If at all we take Venu in 11, I think Venu also needs to bowl - why waste him totally?

[prfsr]

One more RD mistake (this was pointed out by Prem):
With nothing left to lose, Dravid gave Suresh Raina a bowl – and from the turn and bounce he got, you couldn’t help wondering why he never gets to bowl in earnest, at least for the odd two, three overs? Surely the point of building an ODI team is to bring together a lot of players who can contribute in more ways than one – the point of having them, then not using them, defeats me.



My addition:
If at all we take Venu in 11, I think Venu also needs to bowl - why waste him totally?

I think this is a problem with 5 bowlers -- if you utilize a 6th/7th bowler you are taking overs away from a regular and if you do not, you are not utilizing any other options.

Is there any other ODI side (non-minnow) that plays with 5 bowlers?
Anybody think of one? I do not follow other teams enough to know.
-P

[inoc]

no, none of the other teams have five out and out bowlers, but that means you are considering IP a bowler not an all rounder! fair enough if that is the case then yes we are the only team to have five bowlers. some may disagree though.

[fineleg]

no, none of the other teams have five out and out bowlers, but that means you are considering IP a bowler not an all rounder! fair enough if that is the case then yes we are the only team to have five bowlers. some may disagree though.

IP is a  bowler who can bat a bit - not an all-rounder (at the Intl level).
 Let us consider him this way - please.

[pieterSAN]

Why is Pathan not an all-rounder? Because he has had a bad run in the West Indies? 

[fineleg]

Why is Pathan not an all-rounder? Because he has had a bad run in the West Indies? 

Jiet,
Becos he is yet to prove himself in a reasonably consistent manner especially in AWAY series (as i mentioned when I say AWAY series - i specifically mean non-subcontinental series and non-minnows) - IP is a failure as a batsman in WI. Let us see in South Africa if by that time he develops more technique and experience in batting.

[inoc]

fineleg


"IP is a  bowler who can bat a bit - not an all-rounder (at the Intl level).
 Let us consider him this way - please."

I agree with you and commenting on this and the MSD thread I will put forward my reasoning. The problem with the Indian team is not RDs captaincy (although he did make a few mistakes) nor MSD batting today.

Two major changes have been incorporated in the Indian side of late.

1.   MSD donning the gloves has taken up the position of a batsman of RDs calibre. He is producing, no doubt, but he is no RD not at the moment and we have to accept that. Actually it was a stroke of luck to unearth him otherwise we would have to be satisfied by a much lesser batsman/wk.
2.   we have decided that five front line batsmen are enough.

These two decisions have weakened our batting strength, which may have been adequate in the subcontinent but reeks of complacency abroad, particularly with our record away from home.

If we look at the choice statistically we will see that, the fifth bowler has a 5 rpo average and if we average out our combination fifth bowler it will be an average of between 6 and 7. therefore at worst they (combination fifth bowler) will be giving away 20 runs more than our fifth frontline bowler. If we choose a batsman instead he will surely be averaging more than twenty to qualify as a international batsman. We win the numbers game.

Secondly, if we are using only five bowlers then we are not utilising the allround abilities of our batsmen (raina was a clear indication on that front today). We have VS, YS, SR, and SRT when he is back and it is foolish not to use there abilities.

Thirdly, India has traditionally done well (1983, 2003 WC, B&H 1985 and any other you care to recall) with four bowlers and a splattering of all rounders, to take this measure on their first mission outside the subcontinent was either overconfidence or foolhardy to say the least. (first mission following the resurgence).

Finally, to address why MSD batted ‘slowly’ today was because the Indian team had no faith in their latter batsmen to produce in those circumstances. You can very well say he batted slowly but how many of you would have castigated him if he got out to a rash shot in the 35th over?
Moreover he may have been batting to instructions which we are not privy to. Remember other than the two batting then we had IP,RP,AA,HS and SS left in the hut. How many runs would you have expected of them in the last 15 overs!!

The problem is not with RD and his captaincy but the strategy for this series and personally i feel complacency had a big part to play.

[prfsr]

inoc, good points, applause given.

I think there is a little more to be said for 5 bowlers. You see, on most days,
at most 4 of the 5 actually perform, so we need to have 5 to increase
the probability of getting 3-4 good ones. What you say about Dhoni is true. I agree that batting order and team selection were more to blame rather than on-field decisions. Some bowling changes may have been made but it is unlikely that it would change the outcomes.
-P

[kban1]

inoc:

Actually it was a stroke of luck to unearth him otherwise we would have to be satisfied by a much lesser batsman/wk.

Not really.

Its true that MSD should have been selected earlier and cracks in the system prevented him from being selected earlier.

But the person who actually recommended him happened to be our former captain - Ganguly. Saw him on TV -- batting in a domestic match, called up a reporter and asked him to watch the game while commenting "I have to get this guy in my team".

I read this in an article that the said journalist wrote (the article was posted in the DG too) --but darn if I remember his name or the link to the article.

[dextrous]

inoc:

Actually it was a stroke of luck to unearth him otherwise we would have to be satisfied by a much lesser batsman/wk.

Not really.

Its true that MSD should have been selected earlier and cracks in the system prevented him from being selected earlier.

But the person who actually recommended him happened to be our former captain - Ganguly. Saw him on TV -- batting in a domestic match, called up a reporter and asked him to watch the game while commenting "I have to get this guy in my team".

I read this in an article that the said journalist wrote (the article was posted in the DG too) --but darn if I remember his name or the link to the article.

It was posted in cricinfo...it was written recently...Rahul something

[MockTurtle]

Prem's update after end of match:
http://sightscreen.rediffiland.com//scripts/xanadu_diary_view.php?postId=1148677473

Now for the brickbats – the team has had a good long run; during this time, you’ve had one section of fans waiting for a stumble, for defeat (a strange way, it has always seemed to me, to follow a sport) just so as to be able to say ‘I told you so!’.

Didn’t happen against Sri Lanka, then the number two team in the world; not against Pakistan; not against South Africa; not against England – but finally the moment is here to bring out the knives.

Presumably, too, the fans following the fortunes of the team, as opposed to personalities, will have reason for heartburn. The team had just gotten everyone used to consistently good performances – and then, in this series, produced a consistently bad run.

=======================================================================

I really hope
"you’ve had one section of fans waiting for a stumble, for defeat (a strange way, it has always seemed to me, to follow a sport) just so as to be able to say ‘I told you so!’. " don't exist in reality - it may but i hope less of them the better -

All of us have heartburn. Let us all try to analyze together hopefully.

Prem, The Patriot, making a passionate plea? Wonder where he was when Nagpur pitch was doctored to facilitate an Indian loss? Why weren't such emotional rants published? Oh, I forget, he was busy fabricating rumours about Ganguly's supposedly fake injury.

[cricinfo]

I think Prem is having ADS (Attention Deficiency Syndrome)---he is just craving for some attention  .....and these days i guess most of us are not very enthu about his blogs or whatever he dishes out...please bear with him

[arjun]

RD did not make any mistakes. It is just that to him and his coach, winning matters little, what matters is the processes involved. We had seen a lot of those processes happening over these last 4 matches, so to that extent this series can be termed as successful from the Indian POV. His predecessor- the poor sod- knew nothing of the importance of processes, so he went and led his team to ODI series victory the last time India toured WI. Serves him right that he is in banishment these days.

[fineleg]

Prem, The Patriot, making a passionate plea? Wonder where he was when Nagpur pitch was doctored to facilitate an Indian loss? Why weren't such emotional rants published? Oh, I forget, he was busy fabricating rumours about Ganguly's supposedly fake injury.

Mock,
Did PP have something personal with SG? I dont think so. He was a cricket fan like any of us + a journalist/blogger. He pointed out faults with SG and he becomes a devil? 

[kban1]

He pointed out faults with SG

You mean he alleged that SG had faults such as skipping out of nagpur

[fineleg]

He pointed out faults with SG

You mean he alleged that SG had faults such as skipping out of nagpur

Nagpur was one thing, kban.
There are other shortcomings that Prem has discussed before - lets not go all over this again, but suffice it to say PP has felt SG's time to go had come becos of X, Y, Z reasons and then he softened becos he was getting too many brick bats. During the time he stated his 'dislike' if u will for SG's stay in ind squad, I think some of u formed ur 'dislike' for PP.

Summary, ok?

[kban1]

No summary is not quite right there.

I do not dislike prem, neither do I like him --I am neutral. I feel he writes quite well, which is why I followed his writings and joined the blog. But, I also feel that he has made a few errors when it comes to SG, and these need to be pointed out.

Thats not to say SG does not have faults --like any other human being he has faults too. But some of the faults Prem has touched on are not correct --varying degrees of inaccuracy.

Besides, nagpur isn't just one thing -- its the key thesis on the basis of which SG has been tarnished -- being called any and all of the following:
a deserter
unpatriotic
chicken
selfish
attitude problems

[sudzz]

I know this sounds like a case of sour grapes but I think its time we visited this issue once again.

We all know what a mess the Windies team was in till before Zimbabwe arrived and even against them the team struggled-not to win but to win in a commanding position.

We on the other hand were a juggernaut rolling and decimating everything in our path or so it seemed.We arrived and we won, the next one we surprisingly lost -why? because we were complacent and over confident. Nothing wrong with either of the traits if you are champion team.

But what happened next was disastrous, this is where a good captain and a also ran makes the difference. Instead of picking up the pieces we just let things drift.

It was evident during the third ODI that the team had not been kicked in the backside and there was no fire in the seat of anyones pants. Not even a new comer like Raina, we went about the motions, the only person that showed some spunk was Yuvraj the rest just were out for a stroll in the park.

Whose responsibility is it to get things going in the right direction, motivate the guys, get some adrenalin pumping action, I say it is the job of the captain. The coach did what he had to and it was upto the on field captain.

What does the captain do, lose his wickets in both matches cheaply, use a staid batting line up, I dont for the life of me understand why couldnt he send Kaif up the order and drop Raina to a lower spot, we all know Raina can play lofted strokes as well.

The bowling line up was another joke, I did not understand the reluctance of not using Yuvi and Sehwag more effectively.

There are a lot of things one could talk about but to me the most glaring was the lack of communication and motivation on the field of play. I feel that about 65% of the blame should lie at Dravid's door for this defeat.

[MockTurtle]

Prem, The Patriot, making a passionate plea? Wonder where he was when Nagpur pitch was doctored to facilitate an Indian loss? Why weren't such emotional rants published? Oh, I forget, he was busy fabricating rumours about Ganguly's supposedly fake injury.

Mock,
Did PP have something personal with SG? I dont think so. He was a cricket fan like any of us + a journalist/blogger. He pointed out faults with SG and he becomes a devil? 

fineleg, i was referring to PP's new patriotic fervour that obviously had gone on vacation when other more grievous unpatriotic acts were carried out and those, as a journalist, he could have questioned, condemned and exposed.

or do you think he has dedicated his life to save the world from the Prince of Darkness? and why could he not point out all the faults in an OFFICIAL rediff article instead of using his blog? after all, investigative journalism is always appreciated, esp. a scoop like this. maybe he had no proof and it was all wishful thinking? he found blog the perfect scheme to push his agenda, float rumours and at the same time, be protected from any libel. and with folks like you to lap up everything he says, why can't he!

[Shukla]

This is ridiculous. Here our team loses and Prem jumps to the defence of the team management by blaming people who wanted team to lose. If at all, the defence should be that the team tried strategies X and Y, which might have potentially worked but didnt because of A and B reasons.

The fans who want the team to lose to be able to say 'i told you so' may or may not exist. But there is no way team lost because of them.

[rajesh]

In this DG, even sane people who otherwise are gud at commenting at cricket are always at SG or GC or prem ..
Can't the DG run on its own without any hatred for others ..
Everytime india loses, somebody will say something against prem ..

IS prem the only journalist present in India who tore gangulay apart???
or Is it because this DG came from Prem's we need to take shots at him ..

Guys .. This DG is gud .. Hope it is independendent and it will still be the place even afetr SG and RD crosses 45 and prem quits his cricket jourbnalist job ..

ps: i too want SG in the team ,but that does not mean i am going to target somebody called prem ...

Hope i put my point corrcetly

[dextrous]

In this DG, even sane people who otherwise are gud at commenting at cricket are always at SG or GC or prem ..
Can't the DG run on its own without any hatred for others ..
Everytime india loses, somebody will say something against prem ..

IS prem the only journalist present in India who tore gangulay apart???
or Is it because this DG came from Prem's we need to take shots at him ..

Guys .. This DG is gud .. Hope it is independendent and it will still be the place even afetr SG and RD crosses 45 and prem quits his cricket jourbnalist job ..

ps: i too want SG in the team ,but that does not mean i am going to target somebody called prem ...

Hope i put my point corrcetly

If you scroll up, it started as a response to what fineleg quoted. That's what we do here--analyze players/cricket/journalism/journalists. If we didn't, I don't know what we'd do!

[rajesh]

dex,
  pls understand what i intend to say ...
If u really ask ursef honestly, u will understand what i mean ...
I can understand if we go for meaningful analysis of cricket ,journals and journalists ..
But what we do here with respect to few individuals alone like prem,LPsahi etc and beat the to death with pre conceived notions are too much ..
Just because this DG came out of PRem does not mean we ened to attack prem ..... (same holds gud for lpsahi also)

[dextrous]

dex,
  pls understand what i intend to say ...
If u really ask ursef honestly, u will understand what i mean ...
I can understand if we go for meaningful analysis of cricket ,journals and journalists ..
But what we do here with respect to few individuals alone like prem,LPsahi etc and beat the to death with pre conceived notions are too much ..
Just because this DG came out of PRem does not mean we ened to attack prem ..... (same holds gud for lpsahi also)

It's not about attacking an individual, it's about questioning the hypocrisy of a writer. Why should Prem be exempt from any such criticism? One cannot take the writing and call of patriotism without taking into account who is writing it, since we are all quite familiar with what Prem has written.

Further, your criticism would be fair if he were discussing, let's say, batting style of Raina when we attacked him based on his previous views. HOWEVER, this is not a strict cricket post that we can debate about on the merits of the game, but a personal plea of sorts, that cannot be completely dis-engaged from the author of the text. I hope I make my reasoning clear.