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VVS Laxman - interview (Exclusive on ci)
« on: May 25, 2006, 10:33:23 PM »
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VVS Laxnan interview

'I will never forget the Barbados Test' - Laxman

Sidarth Monga

May 25, 2006


 
Laxman: 'I was never insecure when Chappell said they would be sticking with five bowlers' © Getty Images
 
 


A West Indies tour is special. Nobody knows it better than VVS Laxman.

Last time, Laxman did not go there under the most ideal of circumstances. He was playing for India A, while the senior team was focused on the World Cup in South Africa.

And when he last toured West Indies with the senior side in 2001-02, he was still fighting off an image of a batsman capable of special deeds but one equally adept at underperforming. He had played a series-changing innings against Australia, and then almost out of habit, had an indifferent series against a much weaker Zimbabwe.

Six fifties and one century later, he was as permanent a member of the Test side as Sachin Tendulkar. Now, just before his fourth visit to the Caribbean, he finds himself fighting for a place again. An injury to Tendulkar has made sure he will fit into the five-batsman formula adopted by the Indian team.

Ahead of one of the most important tours of his career, Laxman spoke to Cricinfo about painful experiences such as losing the Barbados Test in 1996-97, having to play under the pressure of proving himself throughout his career, being dropped for the World Cup, and more recently against England; and what he has been up to of late.


What have your experiences in the West Indies been like?
I have always enjoyed playing there. In 1997, I went as an opener. That was an awesome experience. As a child, you grow up listening to stories about the West Indies, the people, and the passion. When you actually experience it, you know how great it is to play there. Cricketers are actually respected there. Normal people, irrespective of what's happening in their lives, enjoy watching good cricket. It's always been one of the best places to tour.

What was the `A' tour experience like?
The `A' tour was a great experience. I was a little disappointed that I was not playing the World Cup, though. But, playing domestic cricket in West Indies was great. I think they have got good, talented players. It was disappointing to see the lack of infrastructure; the grounds were not too good. Still, the standard of players was decent. I hadn't expected them to be that good. Having just seven domestic teams adds up to the intensity they play the game with.


Have you been following the one-day games India have played so far?
Not really, because I have been training and have to get up early for practice. I have been watching the recordings, though. I had always felt that West Indies had a good bunch of cricketers. All they needed was guidance. They always play well at home. Probably because they know they can't lose in front of their passionate crowds. I believe they have good matchwinners. The way [Ramnaresh] Sarwan played was amazing. But, it would have been great to see India win the second one-dayer. Yuvraj got so close but could not finish it.


 
Laxman: 'I scored a controlled century against Sri Lanka at Ahmedabad because the wicket wasn't suited for stroke play. The situation demanded a mature innings' © AFP
 
 

You talked about training. What routine are you following?
I am quite happy with the preparation I've had. I have had a mixture of drills: for batting and fitness. At the same time, I am relaxing also. There's a lot of matches, so I want high fitness levels. I am following Greg King's schedule, and also this sprint coach called Ramesh is helping me. He usually works with the Indian athletics team. He looked after the Indian hockey team that went to the Sydney Olympics in 2000.

What images do you remember from the 1996-97 tour of West Indies?
The first image is opening for India for the first time. I faced (Curtly) Ambrose, (Courtney) Walsh, Ian (Bishop), and (Franklyn) Rose, who was also bowling really well. I will always remember and treasure having played against these greats for the first time, and that too opening. I wouldn't say it was something I didn't like or feared. Ambrose and Walsh were not only great West Indian bowlers but all time greats. That series helped me mature. It was my second international series, but I had got injured in South Africa. So, this was my first full tour.


Which innings do you remember most from that tour?
The 60 that I got in Jamaica in the first Test was great. But the match I will never forget is the Barbados Test. We came so close but were not able to finish it off. I was the top-scorer with 19 runs. Another 20-30 runs and we would have won. I remember the wicket was up and down. So the guy who was settled should have carried on. I was really disappointed because I was playing really well and had gauged the wicket. In another hour's time the entire team had collapsed, and that hurt.


India haven't won in West Indies since 1971; how much does history play on your mind?
History plays a great role. Last time, in 2002, we came very close. Even in Australia, we were that close but couldn't win. In Pakistan also, we won a series after a long time. That's why I rate my innings in Trinidad highly. That knock had helped us win a Test match in West Indies for the first time after 1976. You feel satisfied when you are a part of something that has never been done before.

Against England, you were not a part of the playing XI. Then, Greg Chappell had said India will be going in with five batsmen only. Sachin Tendulkar not being fit in time for this tour made your selection easier. Were you relieved?
First of all I'd want Sachin to be on the tour. More than being cricketers, we are friends. He is like an elder brother to all of us. For more than personal reasons, I would want him because he is a huge influence on the team. He not only has experience, but the way he shares his experience with his team-mates is very special. Selection doesn't matter to me. Initially, for the first four-five years, it used to affect my mindset. Throughout my Test career, I have always been in up and down situations - where every innings, every series has been important to me. But since 2000, my mindset has changed. Because I have been batting in the middle order and also performing consistently. I now only think about things that I can control. I have to go out and get runs. Selection is not in my control.

 Selection doesn't matter to me. Initially, for the first four-five years, it used to affect my mindset. But since 2000, my mindset has changed. Because I have been batting in the middle order and performing consistently. I now only think about things that I can control. 

 


Ever felt insecure with the changing game plan?
I was never insecure when Chappell said they would be sticking with five bowlers. But, I was disappointed to miss out on playing at Mohali and Mumbai. After 2005 in Zimbabwe, I have been doing consistently. It definitely hurt being left out.

Do you need to tell yourself every night that you are still the match-winner you were?
There is no need to convince myself. I believe I can play a huge role in the team's success. I believe I have a lot of years left. I don't think too much about the past or the future. I believe I am a matchwinner. I don't doubt myself. I have done well in the past; there is no doubt that I can do well in the future. The biggest motivation is playing for the country. I am getting one more opportunity to play in the West Indies. My conscience says I have given my 100%. It's not easy when you are under that kind of pressure and scrutiny all the time. But with experience, I have become more mature. You want to enjoy the game; I think I will stop doing that if I start thinking about it too much. Past experiences have toughened me up; these things don't matter to me now. Mind you, it's easier said than done. But that's all I can do.


What did you do the night you were dropped?
It was disappointing. Because I had got a good ball first up at Nagpur - a reverse-swinging inswinger. I was looking forward to doing well at Mohali. It took some time for me to realise and for it to sink in that I wasn't going to play. I hadn't missed many Tests since 2000. But, you have to take it in your stride.

How much does reading help?
I spend half an hour to one hour everyday. This book (he has just been gifted The Greatest - Top 50 innings by Australian batsmen; 1877- 2004 by a well-wisher.) I will cherish reading on the long flight to the West Indies. Top 50 innings by Australian batsmen must be really inspiring. Reading about Kim Hughes making a century on a difficult track might just inspire me to play a similar kind of innings if I get a bad wicket.


 
'I have learnt a lot from Steve [Waugh]. Batting with the tail was something new to me, but he always trusted the tail. He would never refuse the singles' © Getty Images
 
 

Who were the Australian batsmen that influenced you?
Greg Chappell. As a child, I had his picture in my wardrobe. I loved his style, stance and elegance. Then, obviously, Steve Waugh. I have played against him and seen him when I wasn't playing against him. He is one of the gutsiest performers. He has played matchwinning knocks whenever his team required them. I have learnt a lot from Steve. Batting with the tail was something new to me, but he always trusted the tail. He would never refuse the singles.


You have an impressive record in West Indies. Anything special about the pitches?
The West Indian wickets are slow. Normally, I like much quicker wickets. Except for Jamaica and Barbados, they are slow. They might not suit my style but you have to adapt. Then again, their attack is based on fast bowling. Fast bowling gives me the drive or josh.

Last time around, we didn't see a normal Laxman. You played scratchy...
(He stops you at scratchy) I wouldn't use the word scratchy. They were not aggressive innings, though. I played with the tail and also in situations where the team required me to build up a long stand. If I usually take 80 balls to score a 50, I took 120 then.

You are an instinctive player. Do you think, of late, you have stopped backing your instinct that much?
Not really, it's just that with experience, you become more mature. It also depends on the kind of wicket you are playing on, and the type of situation. I wouldn't say I have stopped backing my instincts. You have to adapt. I scored a controlled century against Sri Lanka at Ahmedabad because the wicket wasn't suited for stroke play. The situation demanded a mature innings.

As we discussed, you were not a part of the XI when India last played. You will be working to find a place for you. Where do you rate this series in terms of importance to your career?
Every tour is important. You dream of playing for your country. I am getting to go to the West Indies for the third time. Not many people get such chances. I will try and do the best.

Sidharth Monga is staff writer of Cricinfo Magazine

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Re: VVS Laxman - interview (Exclusive on ci)
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2006, 10:46:34 PM »
OK. Sorry Ramji but we have to call VVS evil now. He carrid Chappals picture in his wardrobe. Tsk Tsk Tsk. How evil.
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Re: VVS Laxman - interview (Exclusive on ci)
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2006, 11:07:54 PM »
Who were the Australian batsmen that influenced you?

VVS: Greg Chappell::) As a child, I had his picture in my wardrobe. ::) I...

Thats his #1 childhood hero he mentions right off the bat :)

jokes apart...
well to be fair, GC was one of the best during VVS childhood. so many children had gc as their fav or one of the favs during that time possibly.

He also mentions Kim  Hughes and Steve Waugh - Aus must have been his dream cricketers when he grew up.  No wonder VVS turned out to be Aussie nemesis when he batted against them. Extra motivation against those top cricketers.
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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2006, 11:29:45 PM »
Who were the Australian batsmen that influenced you?

VVS: Greg Chappell::) As a child, I had his picture in my wardrobe. ::) I...

Thats his #1 childhood hero he mentions right off the bat :)

jokes apart...
well to be fair, GC was one of the best during VVS childhood. so many children had gc as their fav or one of the favs during that time possibly.

He also mentions Kim  Hughes and Steve Waugh - Aus must have been his dream cricketers when he grew up.  No wonder VVS turned out to be Aussie nemesis when he batted against them. Extra motivation against those top cricketers.


Sorry, but I find this answer highly disingenuous. GC, great player though he may have been, played only 3 tests against India and 5 ODIs, all when VVS was 6 years old. It's impossible that he was awestruck by his footwork, besides those games were never shown live on DD. Usually for kids growing up in that generation, players who toured India successfully became very popular. Richards inspired SRT, Gower inspired Ganguly. GC never ever toured India.
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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2006, 11:34:39 PM »
Who were the Australian batsmen that influenced you?

VVS: Greg Chappell::) As a child, I had his picture in my wardrobe. ::) I...

Thats his #1 childhood hero he mentions right off the bat :)

jokes apart...
well to be fair, GC was one of the best during VVS childhood. so many children had gc as their fav or one of the favs during that time possibly.

He also mentions Kim  Hughes and Steve Waugh - Aus must have been his dream cricketers when he grew up.  No wonder VVS turned out to be Aussie nemesis when he batted against them. Extra motivation against those top cricketers.


Sorry, but I find this answer highly disingenuous. GC, great player though he may have been, played only 3 tests against India and 5 ODIs, all when VVS was 6 years old. It's impossible that he was awestruck by his footwork, besides those games were never shown live on DD. Usually for kids growing up in that generation, players who toured India successfully became very popular. Richards inspired SRT, Gower inspired Ganguly. GC never ever toured India.



Well, he has got the trick of the trade , praise GC to stay in the team....
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« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2006, 11:59:55 PM »
Its R I D I C U L O U S.

So far maybe u guys had good things to say abt VVS - now he says GC was a hero during his childhood and immediately u attack him - whats with this attacking ANYONE , just abt ANYONE who says anything remotely good abt GC!?

BTW - Does not mean that only players u watch "live" are the hero when u grow up. Whatever u read abt and sometimes elders in ur house talk abt, even those players can be heroes to u when u grow up.


U guys basically have now called VVS a "chappalicker" ( u ofcourse would not dare utter the word directly when talking abt one of the all time greats like VVS)
This is very INSULTING to a great player, but I think the hardworking, sincere VVS is used to hearing such trash abt him. I take this opportunity to salute the great player and person that VVS is.
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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2006, 12:50:42 AM »
Nice interview, thanks fineleg. VVS always has spoken with dignity -- what they call "a class act" (what a cliche).

From what I remember, VVS could not have seen much live coverage of GC. However, people are often kind of loose on the time they are thinking of. So if VVS is thinking of the time he was 18 or so, that would be the early 90's at which time one could certainly (with some effort) obtain videos or even 16 mm film of GC et al. In the 80's I am not sure that you could get this access.

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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2006, 01:19:05 AM »
Who were the Australian batsmen that influenced you?

VVS: Greg Chappell::) As a child, I had his picture in my wardrobe. ::) I...

Thats his #1 childhood hero he mentions right off the bat :)

jokes apart...
well to be fair, GC was one of the best during VVS childhood. so many children had gc as their fav or one of the favs during that time possibly.

He also mentions Kim  Hughes and Steve Waugh - Aus must have been his dream cricketers when he grew up.  No wonder VVS turned out to be Aussie nemesis when he batted against them. Extra motivation against those top cricketers.


Sorry, but I find this answer highly disingenuous. GC, great player though he may have been, played only 3 tests against India and 5 ODIs, all when VVS was 6 years old. It's impossible that he was awestruck by his footwork, besides those games were never shown live on DD. Usually for kids growing up in that generation, players who toured India successfully became very popular. Richards inspired SRT, Gower inspired Ganguly. GC never ever toured India.

Cerennuous:If you read that answer carefully all VVS said there was he had a picture of GC.  Never said that he watched any tape or anything like that.  GC, Azhar, Zaheer Abbas, VVS are all similar batsman.  Languid, graceful and timing.   Plus as a kid growing up you go by stories told by your friends or get influenced by what you read in newspapers and sports magazines, during 70's through mid 80's when the TV coverage was minimal.  Also no one really saw Viv Richards too in India till 1984 on TV.  After that he played only 5-6 tests versus India.  So do we say the same things about SRT.  We can't.
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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2006, 01:20:29 AM »
Its R I D I C U L O U S.

So far maybe u guys had good things to say abt VVS - now he says GC was a hero during his childhood and immediately u attack him - whats with this attacking ANYONE , just abt ANYONE who says anything remotely good abt GC!?

Look boss, let me clarify - I am just suspicious that he hasn't thought through the answer properly and just said the first name that came to his mind. With GC's constant presence and his impact on the players as the coach, it's not hard to see why GC would be the first name to strike VVS's mind. I'm not attacking VVS per se. I gave my reasons for this view.

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BTW - Does not mean that only players u watch "live" are the hero when u grow up. Whatever u read abt and sometimes elders in ur house talk abt, even those players can be heroes to u when u grow up.

Yes, in that case at best you can marvel at his exploits. But unless you see someone's batting yourself, you will not praise his elegance and footwork, which is what VVS did.

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U guys basically have now called VVS a "chappalicker" ( u ofcourse would not dare utter the word directly when talking abt one of the all time greats like VVS)
This is very INSULTING to a great player, but I think the hardworking, sincere VVS is used to hearing such trash abt him. I take this opportunity to salute the great player and person that VVS is.

Why should I have a problem if VVS only praised GC's batting? I have myself praised GC's batting exploits many times on this board. There is little doubt that GC is an all-time great batsman. Calling him a childhood idol is a bit different though.

Besides, I've never heard VVS mention GC before. In the early days he used to idolize only one person, Azhar.

And what is it with the "you guys"? It's my view and I don't see others sharing it.
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« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2006, 01:25:50 AM »
Who were the Australian batsmen that influenced you?
Greg Chappell. As a child, I had his picture in my wardrobe. I loved his style, stance and elegance. Then, obviously, Steve Waugh. I have played against him and seen him when I wasn't playing against him. He is one of the gutsiest performers. He has played matchwinning knocks whenever his team required them. I have learnt a lot from Steve. Batting with the tail was something new to me, but he always trusted the tail. He would never refuse the singles.

Actually they asked who his favorite Aussie batsman is.  Hence he said that.  Not that he went out of the way to say it.  VVS always said he was infuenced by SMG and Azhar for technique and style respectively.  Here the context of the question was different.  Please make that distinction.
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« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2006, 01:31:55 AM »
Did you know that SMG's all time favorite was Rohan Kanhai and Jaisimha, the players he hardly watched and the way he wrote about  them in his book 'IDOLS'  makes you feel as if he really watched them.  So sometimes it is not all about watching.  Somtimes you are as awestuck by reading the expoits as well.  Nothing unusual there.
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« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2006, 01:37:40 AM »
Did you know that SMG's all time favorite was Rohan Kanhai and Jaisimha, the players he hardly watched and the way he wrote about  them in his book 'IDOLS'  makes you feel as if he really watched them.  So sometimes it is not all about watching.  Somtimes you are as awestuck by reading the expoits as well.  Nothing unusual there.

Who said Gavaskar didn't see Jaisimha live? Gavaskar describes seeing the Indian team led by Pataudi practice at the Brabourne Stadium live, and Jaismha struck him as the most stylish, both in looks and in batting. I think he saw Kanhai live too, as a schoolboy.

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« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2006, 01:47:58 AM »
Well, you know who can allow VVS to play that one WC his heart desires so much...

Hell, I will talk about doing his puja if I were him.
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« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2006, 02:04:19 AM »
This is very INSULTING to a great player, but I think the hardworking, sincere VVS is used to hearing such trash abt him. I take this opportunity to salute the great player and person that VVS is.

he may be a great player, but he is not a great person yet, at least not in Grumpy's books  ;D :D ;D :D
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« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2006, 02:12:40 AM »
Did you know that SMG's all time favorite was Rohan Kanhai and Jaisimha, the players he hardly watched and the way he wrote about  them in his book 'IDOLS'  makes you feel as if he really watched them.  So sometimes it is not all about watching.  Somtimes you are as awestuck by reading the expoits as well.  Nothing unusual there.

Who said Gavaskar didn't see Jaisimha live? Gavaskar describes seeing the Indian team led by Pataudi practice at the Brabourne Stadium live, and Jaismha struck him as the most stylish, both in looks and in batting. I think he saw Kanhai live too, as a schoolboy.


So you think Gavaskar saw Kanhai.  Also watching couple of practice sessions of Jai and forming an opinion is also OK.   Great.  So based on what Gavaskar may or may not have seen in his childhood it is OK for him to put it in his book and write about those memories. 

On the same token when someone asked VVS a question about Aus. batsman he said what he remember from his childhood days to present.  GC thru Waugh.  There is nothing there to suggest that he went overboard with it.  Unless you want to make something out of nothing.

I already posted the exact question and his response to it in one of my earlier post.  It is there for all to see.  I will leave it there.
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« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2006, 02:16:44 AM »
Well, you know who can allow VVS to play that one WC his heart desires so much...

Hell, I will talk about doing his puja if I were him.
I won't let this denegrate into one of those meaningless threads. 

One thought though before I let it go.  Going by your analogy SG should turn into an atheist.  Since no GOD can rescue him.
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« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2006, 02:21:00 AM »
Well, you know who can allow VVS to play that one WC his heart desires so much...

Hell, I will talk about doing his puja if I were him.
I won't let this denegrate into one of those meaningless threads. 

One thought though before I let it go.  Going by your analogy SG should turn into an atheist.  Since no GOD can rescue him.

Oh, you're dead wrong, Rams. God could stop GC if he wished to.  :D
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« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2006, 02:23:22 AM »
ramshorns:

SMG was born in 1949

Kanhai visited India in 1958/59 when SMG was 9 and again in 1966/67 when SMG was 17. Kanhai played 2 tests in Mumbai  - he also happened to have the highest score (256) on Indian soil prior to VVS 281.

kanhai also played In SMG's debut series in 1970/71

Jaisimha played 5 tests in Mumbai between 1960 (when SMG was 11) till 1970. he also played in SMG's debut series in WI in 1970/71

Not getting into the larger topic here, but why is it difficult to believe SMG saw Kanhai and Jaisimha play ?
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« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2006, 02:30:16 AM »
ramshorns:

SMG was born in 1949

Kanhai visited India in 1958/59 when SMG was 9 and again in 1966/67 when SMG was 17. Kanhai played 2 tests in Mumbai  - he also happened to have the highest score (256) on Indian soil prior to VVS 281.

kanhai also played In SMG's debut series in 1970/71

Jaisimha played 5 tests in Mumbai between 1960 (when SMG was 11) till 1970. he also played in SMG's debut series in WI in 1970/71

Not getting into the larger topic here, but why is it difficult to believe SMG saw Kanhai and Jaisimha play ?
Kban1: Then why is it difficult to believe VVS?????VVS never said he watched GC.  Did he????For the record I never accused SMG of anything or said I did not believe him.  Did I?????My point here is there will be occasions where you read and get overwhelmed and become a fan of.  Speaking for myself I never saw Vishy play live matches.  But know very well how great he was based on radio and reading in papers or magazines.  Until later when I saw his exploits in AUS.1981, he turned out exactly like I visualised when I was 7 or 8.  I hope you got the meat of my POV.
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« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2006, 02:34:15 AM »
ramshorns:

You missed my point, I have no issue with VVS saying he admired GC.

I just pointed out that it is not inconceivable that SMG saw both Kanhai and Jaisimha.
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« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2006, 02:40:11 AM »
ramshorns:

You missed my point, I have no issue with VVS saying he admired GC.

I just pointed out that it is not inconceivable that SMG saw both Kanhai and Jaisimha.
Kban1:I know you did not about VVS.  But I just threw out couple of names from his IDOLS.  You are right about Jai.  There were players in that list of 50 players SMG probably has never seen, but read or heard about and drew inspiration.  I was merely using it as an analogy.   Sorry, perhaps I made myself clear now.
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« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2006, 02:50:54 AM »
Did you know that SMG's all time favorite was Rohan Kanhai and Jaisimha, the players he hardly watched and the way he wrote about  them in his book 'IDOLS'  makes you feel as if he really watched them.  So sometimes it is not all about watching.  Somtimes you are as awestuck by reading the expoits as well.  Nothing unusual there.

Who said Gavaskar didn't see Jaisimha live? Gavaskar describes seeing the Indian team led by Pataudi practice at the Brabourne Stadium live, and Jaismha struck him as the most stylish, both in looks and in batting. I think he saw Kanhai live too, as a schoolboy.


So you think Gavaskar saw Kanhai. 

I'm pretty damn sure I read it in Idols. Kanhai had toured India for a one-off FC match, and Gavaskar was awestruck by his sweep shot. In any case, Gavaskar played with Kanhai in the Aus vs. ROW match.

About Jaisimha, what I wrote it's easily verifiable on the net. Gavaskar in his second or third FC match played against Jaisimha in the Moin-ud-Dowlah Cup. (Actually even Laxman was influenced by Jaisimha in his early days when he was his mentor.)

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Also watching couple of practice sessions of Jai and forming an opinion is also OK.   Great.  So based on what Gavaskar may or may not have seen in his childhood it is OK for him to put it in his book and write about those memories. 

See the above.
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« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2006, 02:57:46 AM »
Did you know that SMG's all time favorite was Rohan Kanhai and Jaisimha, the players he hardly watched and the way he wrote about  them in his book 'IDOLS'  makes you feel as if he really watched them.  So sometimes it is not all about watching.  Somtimes you are as awestuck by reading the expoits as well.  Nothing unusual there.

Who said Gavaskar didn't see Jaisimha live? Gavaskar describes seeing the Indian team led by Pataudi practice at the Brabourne Stadium live, and Jaismha struck him as the most stylish, both in looks and in batting. I think he saw Kanhai live too, as a schoolboy.


So you think Gavaskar saw Kanhai. 

I'm pretty damn sure I read it in Idols. Kanhai had toured India for a one-off FC match, and Gavaskar was awestruck by his sweep shot. In any case, Gavaskar played with Kanhai in the Aus vs. ROW match.

About Jaisimha, what I wrote it's easily verifiable on the net. Gavaskar in his second or third FC match played against Jaisimha in the Moin-ud-Dowlah Cup. (Actually even Laxman was influenced by Jaisimha in his early days when he was his mentor.)

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Also watching couple of practice sessions of Jai and forming an opinion is also OK.   Great.  So based on what Gavaskar may or may not have seen in his childhood it is OK for him to put it in his book and write about those memories. 

See the above.
First off this thread is about VVS and his take on GC.  I never accused SMG of anything. It was just used as an analogy.  I already said that in my previous post to Kban1. 

I clearly pointed out the basic flaw in your interpretation of VVS answer.  One of my posts outlined it in BOLD.
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« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2006, 03:01:03 AM »
ramshorns:

SMG was born in 1949

Kanhai visited India in 1958/59 when SMG was 9 and again in 1966/67 when SMG was 17. Kanhai played 2 tests in Mumbai  - he also happened to have the highest score (256) on Indian soil prior to VVS 281.

kanhai also played In SMG's debut series in 1970/71

Jaisimha played 5 tests in Mumbai between 1960 (when SMG was 11) till 1970. he also played in SMG's debut series in WI in 1970/71

Not getting into the larger topic here, but why is it difficult to believe SMG saw Kanhai and Jaisimha play ?
Kban1: Then why is it difficult to believe VVS?????VVS never said he watched GC. 

VVS clearly says "I loved his style, stance and elegance", implying he saw his batting as a child. That's the way I read it.

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Did he????For the record I never accused SMG of anything or said I did not believe him.  Did I?????My point here is there will be occasions where you read and get overwhelmed and become a fan of.  Speaking for myself I never saw Vishy play live matches.  But know very well how great he was based on radio and reading in papers or magazines.  Until later when I saw his exploits in AUS.1981, he turned out exactly like I visualised when I was 7 or 8.  I hope you got the meat of my POV.

There is a big difference here. You were constantly following Vishy's exploits. VVS was surely not following GC's exploits as avidly, because there was no scope to.

Anyway, I won't belabor the point any more.


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« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2006, 03:12:33 AM »

VVS clearly says "I loved his style, stance and elegance", implying he saw his batting as a child. That's the way I read it.




It was a one liner on GC, quickly digressed to Waugh whom he spoke about in length.  If you want to interpret it the way you want to it is your choice. 

Here is the rest of the answer from VVS's mouth one more time.....

Who were the Australian batsmen that influenced you?
Greg Chappell. As a child, I had his picture in my wardrobe. I loved his style, stance and elegance. Then, obviously, Steve Waugh. I have played against him and seen him when I wasn't playing against him. He is one of the gutsiest performers. He has played matchwinning knocks whenever his team required them. I have learnt a lot from Steve. Batting with the tail was something new to me, but he always trusted the tail. He would never refuse the singles.
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« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2006, 05:48:25 AM »

geez, VVS too forced to do idol (idle?) worship now?  :(
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« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2006, 05:54:08 AM »
One smite each to everyone (you know who you are) who linked that statement of VVS to an attempt to get into the team. Pls remember this view does not demean GC at all, it demeans one of India's best. Anyways, to each his own interpretation.
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« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2006, 05:58:06 AM »
One smite each to everyone (you know who you are) who linked that statement of VVS to an attempt to get into the team. Pls remember this view does not demean GC at all, it demeans one of India's best. Anyways, to each his own interpretation.

Hmm?
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« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2006, 06:00:39 AM »
Ha Ha .. I think the favour is being returned ...
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« Reply #29 on: May 26, 2006, 06:03:19 AM »
One smite each to everyone (you know who you are) who linked that statement of VVS to an attempt to get into the team. Pls remember this view does not demean GC at all, it demeans one of India's best. Anyways, to each his own interpretation.

naah, it is more an indication of how times are a changing....worship or perish is the order of the day. but the rap on the knuckles from you takes me back to my school days where we were 'punished' for saying "bad things" :-)



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« Reply #30 on: May 26, 2006, 06:26:25 AM »
One smite each to everyone (you know who you are) who linked that statement of VVS to an attempt to get into the team. Pls remember this view does not demean GC at all, it demeans one of India's best. Anyways, to each his own interpretation.

naah, it is more an indication of how times are a changing....worship or perish is the order of the day.

or one could call it hatred directed to the wrong person .. has been the order for several days now .. on both sides of this "great divide"

but the rap on the knuckles from you takes me back to my school days where we were 'punished' for saying "bad things" :-)

well cant help if it reminds you of punishment ... a public statement of strong disagreement would be what it brings to my mind
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« Reply #31 on: May 26, 2006, 06:30:35 AM »
One smite each to everyone (you know who you are) who linked that statement of VVS to an attempt to get into the team. Pls remember this view does not demean GC at all, it demeans one of India's best. Anyways, to each his own interpretation.

naah, it is more an indication of how times are a changing....worship or perish is the order of the day.

or one could call it hatred directed to the wrong person .. has been the order for several days now .. on both sides of this "great divide"

but the rap on the knuckles from you takes me back to my school days where we were 'punished' for saying "bad things" :-)

well cant help if it reminds you of punishment ... a public statement of strong disagreement would be what it brings to my mind


Well, why is suggesting that poor Laxman now has to worship GC (figuratively) in order to get into the side in any way a reflection of his abilities as opposed to the GC system?

After all, as many have pointed out, VVS never saw GC play and given those days -- so unless he liked the name Greg Chappell and the face of Chappell, I do not see how he became fascinated with Chappell, as great as he was.
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« Reply #32 on: May 26, 2006, 06:46:16 AM »
One smite each to everyone (you know who you are) who linked that statement of VVS to an attempt to get into the team. Pls remember this view does not demean GC at all, it demeans one of India's best. Anyways, to each his own interpretation.

naah, it is more an indication of how times are a changing....worship or perish is the order of the day.

or one could call it hatred directed to the wrong person .. has been the order for several days now .. on both sides of this "great divide"

but the rap on the knuckles from you takes me back to my school days where we were 'punished' for saying "bad things" :-)

well cant help if it reminds you of punishment ... a public statement of strong disagreement would be what it brings to my mind


Well, why is suggesting that poor Laxman now has to worship GC (figuratively) in order to get into the side in any way a reflection of his abilities as opposed to the GC system?

The suggestion was not that he needs to .. the suggestion was that he is doing it ... which in my view is unfair to the man who is training hard every day, getting a sprint coach to train him etc ..

After all, as many have pointed out, VVS never saw GC play and given those days -- so unless he liked the name Greg Chappell and the face of Chappell, I do not see how he became fascinated with Chappell, as great as he was.

Sometimes I wonder why all of us are fascinated by Don Bradman
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« Reply #33 on: May 26, 2006, 06:51:43 AM »
One smite each to everyone (you know who you are) who linked that statement of VVS to an attempt to get into the team. Pls remember this view does not demean GC at all, it demeans one of India's best. Anyways, to each his own interpretation.

naah, it is more an indication of how times are a changing....worship or perish is the order of the day.

or one could call it hatred directed to the wrong person .. has been the order for several days now .. on both sides of this "great divide"

but the rap on the knuckles from you takes me back to my school days where we were 'punished' for saying "bad things" :-)

well cant help if it reminds you of punishment ... a public statement of strong disagreement would be what it brings to my mind


Well, why is suggesting that poor Laxman now has to worship GC (figuratively) in order to get into the side in any way a reflection of his abilities as opposed to the GC system?

The suggestion was not that he needs to .. the suggestion was that he is doing it ... which in my view is unfair to the man who is training hard every day, getting a sprint coach to train him etc ..

After all, as many have pointed out, VVS never saw GC play and given those days -- so unless he liked the name Greg Chappell and the face of Chappell, I do not see how he became fascinated with Chappell, as great as he was.

Sometimes I wonder why all of us are fascinated by Don Bradman

Well, he's doing it because he needs to.

And Bradman...well, you see, he was a statistical anomaly!
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« Reply #34 on: May 26, 2006, 07:16:58 AM »
One smite each to everyone (you know who you are) who linked that statement of VVS to an attempt to get into the team. Pls remember this view does not demean GC at all, it demeans one of India's best. Anyways, to each his own interpretation.

naah, it is more an indication of how times are a changing....worship or perish is the order of the day.

or one could call it hatred directed to the wrong person .. has been the order for several days now .. on both sides of this "great divide"

but the rap on the knuckles from you takes me back to my school days where we were 'punished' for saying "bad things" :-)

well cant help if it reminds you of punishment ... a public statement of strong disagreement would be what it brings to my mind


Well, why is suggesting that poor Laxman now has to worship GC (figuratively) in order to get into the side in any way a reflection of his abilities as opposed to the GC system?

The suggestion was not that he needs to .. the suggestion was that he is doing it ... which in my view is unfair to the man who is training hard every day, getting a sprint coach to train him etc ..

After all, as many have pointed out, VVS never saw GC play and given those days -- so unless he liked the name Greg Chappell and the face of Chappell, I do not see how he became fascinated with Chappell, as great as he was.

Sometimes I wonder why all of us are fascinated by Don Bradman

Well, he's doing it because he needs to.

And Bradman...well, you see, he was a statistical anomaly!

he may need it (i do not believe so, but there can be a point of disagreement), but he is not doing it ... what he is doing is training hard to get back.

VVS may not have seen GC live when he was a kid ... but hearing and reading also do form ways of getting influenced ...
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« Reply #35 on: May 26, 2006, 09:12:28 AM »
So GC is Laxman's childhood idol! A very well-guarded secret till now! But then one lives and learns.
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« Reply #36 on: May 26, 2006, 12:01:29 PM »
If it is a**-kissing, that is very sorry indeed.  A player of the class of VVS should not stoop to this level in order to play for India, nor should he be made to grovel.
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hahah anyone who says terrible things like "GC was a great batsman" just MUST be an ass-kisser.
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One smite each to everyone (you know who you are) who linked that statement of VVS to an attempt to get into the team. Pls remember this view does not demean GC at all, it demeans one of India's best. Anyways, to each his own interpretation.

naah, it is more an indication of how times are a changing....worship or perish is the order of the day.

or one could call it hatred directed to the wrong person .. has been the order for several days now .. on both sides of this "great divide"

but the rap on the knuckles from you takes me back to my school days where we were 'punished' for saying "bad things" :-)

well cant help if it reminds you of punishment ... a public statement of strong disagreement would be what it brings to my mind


Well, why is suggesting that poor Laxman now has to worship GC (figuratively) in order to get into the side in any way a reflection of his abilities as opposed to the GC system?

After all, as many have pointed out, VVS never saw GC play and given those days -- so unless he liked the name Greg Chappell and the face of Chappell, I do not see how he became fascinated with Chappell, as great as he was.
From this point on whoever makes an issue or trying to make a mountain out of the oneliner VVS said about GC, I am going to re-post the following from my earlier post.

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It was a one liner on GC, quickly digressed to Waugh whom he spoke about in length.  If you want to interpret it the way you want to it is your choice. 

Here is the question and answer from VVS's mouth one more time.....

Who were the Australian batsmen that influenced you?
Greg Chappell. As a child, I had his picture in my wardrobe. I loved his style, stance and elegance. Then, obviously, Steve Waugh. I have played against him and seen him when I wasn't playing against him. He is one of the gutsiest performers. He has played matchwinning knocks whenever his team required them. I have learnt a lot from Steve. Batting with the tail was something new to me, but he always trusted the tail. He would never refuse the singles.
 

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