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[k-slice]

as well as asks BCCI to find a new buyer for the Pune warriors!! hahahahahahahah. i love it.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/top-stories/Sahara-withdraws-Indian-cricket-sponsorship-and-Pune-Warriors-ownership/articleshow/11751668.cms

[feverpitch]

Apparently this was, in the immediate context, because SCG was disallowed by BCCI to be replacement for the injured Yuvi.

5 years after he retired, Dada still makes the Western Union Money Transfer * in their pants

[dhruvdeepak]

nope. Pune wanted to have a $3.4 million purse in the auction as compensation for losing Yuvraj (what are they smoking?).

Also there were previous cases where BCCI actually screwed them over.

I think this is good in the larger context!

[dhruvdeepak]

these Sahara guys are truly idiots. their press release is so funny. they mention at least 4 times in the transcript that 'natural justice' has been denied to them because of 'the rule book'.

isn't that the reason that the rule book is there? so that everyone abides by it? 

how can you be claiming that you deserve exceptions every time!

I think BCCI screwed them on one of the counts, but way to make your case.
proofread. idiots.

[ramshorns]

Apparently this was, in the immediate context, because SCG was disallowed by BCCI to be replacement for the injured Yuvi.

*uly himself was a replacement.  So...

5 years after he retired, Dada still makes the Western Union Money Transfer * in their pants

You mean the beggar *uly the Pune team circus clown that was rejected by 10 teams and then went on to make calls to various franchises after KKR kicked him out for being a cancer in the dressing room.

[DKG]

Dear Rams Sweetheart

Why don't you layoff this pathological urge to respond viciously on any topic that mentions a certain surname ?

This is not you .. you the person on this board were pretty knowledgeable and balanced at least in the early years of this group .. or have the passing years taken their toll on the person too ?

I can understand when you join issue on some topic that has equally unwelcome toxic comments about the hero from the city of my domicile .. but this is quite a pain now .. to find vitriol in every post you make

Please .. perhaps we could still get the old Rams back .. the one who talked about the game of cricket ?

Looking forward

Regards
DKG

[cricinfo]

Dear Rams Sweetheart

Why don't you layoff this pathological urge to respond viciously on any topic that mentions a certain surname ?

This is not you .. you the person on this board were pretty knowledgeable and balanced at least in the early years of this group .. or have the passing years taken their toll on the person too ?

I can understand when you join issue on some topic that has equally unwelcome toxic comments about the hero from the city of my domicile .. but this is quite a pain now .. to find vitriol in every post you make

Please .. perhaps we could still get the old Rams back .. the one who talked about the game of cricket ?

Looking forward

Regards
DKG

good effort but please by sympathetic to the tough times and events that have unfolded in last 24 hours

[achutank]

Dear Rams Sweetheart

Why don't you layoff this pathological urge to respond viciously on any topic that mentions a certain surname ?

This is not you .. you the person on this board were pretty knowledgeable and balanced at least in the early years of this group .. or have the passing years taken their toll on the person too ?

I can understand when you join issue on some topic that has equally unwelcome toxic comments about the hero from the city of my domicile .. but this is quite a pain now .. to find vitriol in every post you make

Please .. perhaps we could still get the old Rams back .. the one who talked about the game of cricket ?

Looking forward

Regards
DKG

oh i prefer this rams - this is the real one, the mask is off that's all

[ramshorns]

Dear Rams Sweetheart

Why don't you layoff this pathological urge to respond viciously on any topic that mentions a certain surname ?

This is not you .. you the person on this board were pretty knowledgeable and balanced at least in the early years of this group .. or have the passing years taken their toll on the person too ?

I can understand when you join issue on some topic that has equally unwelcome toxic comments about the hero from the city of my domicile .. but this is quite a pain now .. to find vitriol in every post you make

Please .. perhaps we could still get the old Rams back .. the one who talked about the game of cricket ?

Looking forward

Regards
DKG

Hey DKG,

I understand where you are coming from but when you put things in perspective what you are calling vitriol is something I call it tit for tat.  Ofcourse being a Ganguly fan you may feel that way but I do not necessarily see it that way.

When you have a DG that caters to miserable snobbish posters that take pot shots at better players(RD, VVS etc) than Ganguly and call them lousy names, fudge stats to show them in poor light it becomes so easy for me to feast on that fodder.  Of course Ganguly is so easy a target for me knowing indepth all these players and their accomplishments.

Please .. perhaps we could still get the old Rams back .. the one who talked about the game of cricket ?

Looking forward

While I primarily come here to discuss cricket I do not see many posters here presently that want to do the same.  Their mind set is to rejoice over Indian defeats and call greats like VVS or even RD names and present meaningless stats basically to prove nothing.  I can kick their butt anyday of the week in such a game.  And you know mighty well how easy a task it is if one were to take pot shots at Ganguly based on cricketing facts alone when names like VVS and RD are ridiculed.

Of course if folks are reasonable I do not have to do any of that.  The choice is entirely theirs not mine.

[k-slice]

Dhruv,
the rulebook should be applied to everyone in the same way. that has not happened. i dont know why but i get the feeling that Sahara is running low on finance and just needed an excuse to back out. no evidence.

[flashpan]

Well, I am not an expert on all these affairs. Can somebody explain the following:
1) What id the reason for the sudden pull-out from Sahara?
2) What are its implications to Indian cricket in future?
3) What happens to all those players in the team right now?

[RicePlateReddy]

Well, I am not an expert on all these affairs. Can somebody explain the following:

Neither am I, but I followed some news so I will try.

1) What id the reason for the sudden pull-out from Sahara?

They are upset that "natural justice" hasn't been served to them. BCCI threw the "strict rule book" at them and per their claims, did not make exceptions like they seem to have for other teams. So, they mention, it became an emotional decision for them to quit the IPL. They extended their sentiments to also yank team India sponsorship.

2) What are its implications to Indian cricket in future?

The only implication (and wish) that comes to mind is someone with a horrible brand name sponsors the team and splashes their logos all over their clothing. Someone with a monkey as a logo would be a good candidate. Or a digestive pill will also work.

3) What happens to all those players in the team right now?

Their existing contracts will be honored. The team is on sale and will perhaps go at a relatively non-inflated rate, given the travails of Indian cricket in the recent past.

Sahara should have done this a long time ago - they shouldn't have even entered the fray after the ICL vendetta unleashed by the BCCI. They've paid for the emotional weakness of its Chairman Subrata Roy.

[k-slice]

Well, I am not an expert on all these affairs. Can somebody explain the following:

Neither am I, but I followed some news so I will try.

1) What id the reason for the sudden pull-out from Sahara?

They are upset that "natural justice" hasn't been served to them. BCCI threw the "strict rule book" at them and per their claims, did not make exceptions like they seem to have for other teams. So, they mention, it became an emotional decision for them to quit the IPL. They extended their sentiments to also yank team India sponsorship.

2) What are its implications to Indian cricket in future?

The only implication (and wish) that comes to mind is someone with a horrible brand name sponsors the team and splashes their logos all over their clothing. Someone with a monkey as a logo would be a good candidate. Or a digestive pill will also work.

3) What happens to all those players in the team right now?

Their existing contracts will be honored. The team is on sale and will perhaps go at a relatively non-inflated rate, given the travails of Indian cricket in the recent past.

Sahara should have done this a long time ago - they shouldn't have even entered the fray after the ICL vendetta unleashed by the BCCI. They've paid for the emotional weakness of its Chairman Subrata Roy.

i suggest we look for these guys to sponsor our team:( see attached
their new logo: we got the batsmen to stay at the pitch longer and the bowlers to run faster! cork it!

[dextrous]

it seems like other franchises like mumbai and bangalore were getting what they wanted but pune actually had good reason to be pissed that they can't even swap out yuvraj. to me it seems fair. no?

[dextrous]

Sahara to dissociate with BCCI/IPL and reinvest in setting up of 20 sports promotion centres, with an international standard sports academy Rs 10 crore support every year for underprivileged sports achievers of yesteryears & present along with a host of other social development initiatives like:

300 fully equipped medical vans for remote villages , 100 plus tankers for safe drinking water , 10,000 screens with dish antenna for villages for overall extensive literacy & education.

[dextrous]

these Sahara guys are truly idiots. their press release is so funny. they mention at least 4 times in the transcript that 'natural justice' has been denied to them because of 'the rule book'.

isn't that the reason that the rule book is there? so that everyone abides by it? 

how can you be claiming that you deserve exceptions every time!

I think BCCI screwed them on one of the counts, but way to make your case.
proofread. idiots.

Last year, Sahara entered the IPL on the basis of information in the media and everywhere else that 94 matches will be played among 10 teams. The bid price was accordingly calculated, but only 74 matches were played. We are still pursuing continuously with the BCCI to refund the extra bid money proportionately. It has been denied on the basis of strict rules.

Dhruv, if this is true, then BCCI is committing a breach of contract.

[dextrous]

We think this peculiar situation of Shri Yuvraj Singh is silent in the rule book because it probably talks only about players who are temporarily injured.

Incidentally, once during the Champion's League tournament, one of the Indian IPL teams had a lot of injured players so they were rightly, out of natural justice, allowed to break the rules and take one extra foreign player. We appreciated this natural justice.

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Exactly, I don't how you can't support Sahara here. Rules seem to exist only for the really rich and are tossed out for the uber-rich!

[flashpan]

it seems like other franchises like mumbai and bangalore were getting what they wanted but pune actually had good reason to be pissed that they can't even swap out yuvraj. to me it seems fair. no?

I do not think Bangalore had any advantage. Let us consider this. Gayle was available for all the 10 teams last season. Due to some reason nobody(include RCB) bought him. As luck would have it, RCB had an injury issue and it co-incided with WICB kicking out Gayle. Luckily for RCB, the base price of Gayle was less then the price at which they had bought Nannes. A bigger slice of luck was Gayle firing after being in (mind u, he was there in the first 3 seasons as well but did not play as well as he played last time around). This led to a lot of heart burn amongst many franchises. RCB did not go against any law, the rule about having 1st right of refusal was invoked and he was retained. ( The actual amount might be more but this will lead to several other players as well ie SRT, Dhoni, Raina, Albie, Bhajji). The plain jealousy is coming out now. If Gayle was a super flop last season, I repeat Sahara or anybody else would never have bothered if RCB had retained or left out Gayle

[dextrous]

it seems like other franchises like mumbai and bangalore were getting what they wanted but pune actually had good reason to be pissed that they can't even swap out yuvraj. to me it seems fair. no?

I do not think Bangalore had any advantage. Let us consider this. Gayle was available for all the 10 teams last season. Due to some reason nobody(include RCB) bought him. As luck would have it, RCB had an injury issue and it co-incided with WICB kicking out Gayle. Luckily for RCB, the base price of Gayle was less then the price at which they had bought Nannes. A bigger slice of luck was Gayle firing after being in (mind u, he was there in the first 3 seasons as well but did not play as well as he played last time around). This led to a lot of heart burn amongst many franchises. RCB did not go against any law, the rule about having 1st right of refusal was invoked and he was retained. ( The actual amount might be more but this will lead to several other players as well ie SRT, Dhoni, Raina, Albie, Bhajji). The plain jealousy is coming out now. If Gayle was a super flop last season, I repeat Sahara or anybody else would never have bothered if RCB had retained or left out Gayle

Read the other thread I started. RCB claims it retained Gayle for 500k. That's a joke. Gayle would not willingly give up 500k.

[flashpan]

We think this peculiar situation of Shri Yuvraj Singh is silent in the rule book because it probably talks only about players who are temporarily injured.

Incidentally, once during the Champion's League tournament, one of the Indian IPL teams had a lot of injured players so they were rightly, out of natural justice, allowed to break the rules and take one extra foreign player. We appreciated this natural justice.

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Exactly, I don't how you can't support Sahara here. Rules seem to exist only for the really rich and are tossed out for the uber-rich!

Could not Sahara done this before, I mean buying a quality player in the transfer window. Why did they need $3.4m. Except Jadeja, everyone else went under the amount that they had. My understanding is that they wanted 2-3 big players as they realised that their selections were pretty poor last time. That would have been unfair for the others

[flashpan]

it seems like other franchises like mumbai and bangalore were getting what they wanted but pune actually had good reason to be pissed that they can't even swap out yuvraj. to me it seems fair. no?

I do not think Bangalore had any advantage. Let us consider this. Gayle was available for all the 10 teams last season. Due to some reason nobody(include RCB) bought him. As luck would have it, RCB had an injury issue and it co-incided with WICB kicking out Gayle. Luckily for RCB, the base price of Gayle was less then the price at which they had bought Nannes. A bigger slice of luck was Gayle firing after being in (mind u, he was there in the first 3 seasons as well but did not play as well as he played last time around). This led to a lot of heart burn amongst many franchises. RCB did not go against any law, the rule about having 1st right of refusal was invoked and he was retained. ( The actual amount might be more but this will lead to several other players as well ie SRT, Dhoni, Raina, Albie, Bhajji). The plain jealousy is coming out now. If Gayle was a super flop last season, I repeat Sahara or anybody else would never have bothered if RCB had retained or left out Gayle

Read the other thread I started. RCB claims it retained Gayle for 500k. That's a joke. Gayle would not willingly give up 500k.

Is it not disclosed that Gayle has been signed as the brand ambassador of the UB group? Legally, this is what he he earns just like Pune has brought Ganguly for 400, Chennai for Dhoni at 1.8, Raina at 1.2, Albie at 500 etc etc

[dhruvdeepak]

it doesnt matter. joke is on RCB for buying Ranganath for $1mm

[dextrous]

it seems like other franchises like mumbai and bangalore were getting what they wanted but pune actually had good reason to be pissed that they can't even swap out yuvraj. to me it seems fair. no?

I do not think Bangalore had any advantage. Let us consider this. Gayle was available for all the 10 teams last season. Due to some reason nobody(include RCB) bought him. As luck would have it, RCB had an injury issue and it co-incided with WICB kicking out Gayle. Luckily for RCB, the base price of Gayle was less then the price at which they had bought Nannes. A bigger slice of luck was Gayle firing after being in (mind u, he was there in the first 3 seasons as well but did not play as well as he played last time around). This led to a lot of heart burn amongst many franchises. RCB did not go against any law, the rule about having 1st right of refusal was invoked and he was retained. ( The actual amount might be more but this will lead to several other players as well ie SRT, Dhoni, Raina, Albie, Bhajji). The plain jealousy is coming out now. If Gayle was a super flop last season, I repeat Sahara or anybody else would never have bothered if RCB had retained or left out Gayle

Read the other thread I started. RCB claims it retained Gayle for 500k. That's a joke. Gayle would not willingly give up 500k.

Is it not disclosed that Gayle has been signed as the brand ambassador of the UB group? Legally, this is what he he earns just like Pune has brought Ganguly for 400, Chennai for Dhoni at 1.8, Raina at 1.2, Albie at 500 etc etc

What are you talking about?

[flashpan]

it seems like other franchises like mumbai and bangalore were getting what they wanted but pune actually had good reason to be pissed that they can't even swap out yuvraj. to me it seems fair. no?

I do not think Bangalore had any advantage. Let us consider this. Gayle was available for all the 10 teams last season. Due to some reason nobody(include RCB) bought him. As luck would have it, RCB had an injury issue and it co-incided with WICB kicking out Gayle. Luckily for RCB, the base price of Gayle was less then the price at which they had bought Nannes. A bigger slice of luck was Gayle firing after being in (mind u, he was there in the first 3 seasons as well but did not play as well as he played last time around). This led to a lot of heart burn amongst many franchises. RCB did not go against any law, the rule about having 1st right of refusal was invoked and he was retained. ( The actual amount might be more but this will lead to several other players as well ie SRT, Dhoni, Raina, Albie, Bhajji). The plain jealousy is coming out now. If Gayle was a super flop last season, I repeat Sahara or anybody else would never have bothered if RCB had retained or left out Gayle

Read the other thread I started. RCB claims it retained Gayle for 500k. That's a joke. Gayle would not willingly give up 500k.

Is it not disclosed that Gayle has been signed as the brand ambassador of the UB group? Legally, this is what he he earns just like Pune has brought Ganguly for 400, Chennai for Dhoni at 1.8, Raina at 1.2, Albie at 500 etc etc

What are you talking about?

I am talking abt facts. Do u seriously believe Dhoni gets less then Jadeja, Malinga would have been happy with the retention amt offered( He was the third in the list) and accd to BCCI retention it was 800,000. The other 9 franchises would have taken his bidding to atleast double the amount if he was in auctions. What is good for the goose is good for the *er. Regarding Vinay, it was clear that Bangalore went into the auctions only with him in mind. They made only a token attempt at Jadeja, got Murali at dirt cheap price and had all the money to bid for Vinay. It was his damn luck that we had to fight 4 other bidders and it went to the million mark.

[k-slice]

it seems like other franchises like mumbai and bangalore were getting what they wanted but pune actually had good reason to be pissed that they can't even swap out yuvraj. to me it seems fair. no?

I do not think Bangalore had any advantage. Let us consider this. Gayle was available for all the 10 teams last season. Due to some reason nobody(include RCB) bought him. As luck would have it, RCB had an injury issue and it co-incided with WICB kicking out Gayle. Luckily for RCB, the base price of Gayle was less then the price at which they had bought Nannes. A bigger slice of luck was Gayle firing after being in (mind u, he was there in the first 3 seasons as well but did not play as well as he played last time around). This led to a lot of heart burn amongst many franchises. RCB did not go against any law, the rule about having 1st right of refusal was invoked and he was retained. ( The actual amount might be more but this will lead to several other players as well ie SRT, Dhoni, Raina, Albie, Bhajji). The plain jealousy is coming out now. If Gayle was a super flop last season, I repeat Sahara or anybody else would never have bothered if RCB had retained or left out Gayle

Read the other thread I started. RCB claims it retained Gayle for 500k. That's a joke. Gayle would not willingly give up 500k.

Is it not disclosed that Gayle has been signed as the brand ambassador of the UB group? Legally, this is what he he earns just like Pune has brought Ganguly for 400, Chennai for Dhoni at 1.8, Raina at 1.2, Albie at 500 etc etc

What are you talking about?

what he is talking about is the fact that the "rich" teams have been buying players at an equivalent or lesser price than the ceiling price and then offering them side deals. Gayle will get mad money to be brand ambassador of Whyte and Mackay to compensate him for the loss he made by accepting a 550k offer. that is ridiculous. someone suggested an NFL style pick system. that would be nice. i cannot imagine KKR or RR  competing with the likes of Ambani, India cements or even the deccan chronicle if this continues. imagine, Mumbai could buy SRT for 100k and then make him brand ambassador for reliance XYZ and pay him 3 million for that. what a crock of crap.

[flashpan]

Well, RR did retain 2 biggies. Warne and Watson. Watto was in the peak of his prowess. It is no longer a question of richness. The cheapest franchise was RR and it cost a hell lot, some 10-15 crores spent extra to retain/buy players wont mean much. It was the mistake of BCCI to accept the retention policy of MI/CSK which has led to all these mess. Did u have something of this kind in the first 3 editions. Infact  in the first 3 editions, the so called rich teams were sulking that they got short changed with the icon policy.

[cricinfo]

Well, RR did retain 2 biggies. Warne and Watson. Watto was in the peak of his prowess. It is no longer a question of richness. The cheapest franchise was RR and it cost a hell lot, some 10-15 crores spent extra to retain/buy players wont mean much. It was the mistake of BCCI to accept the retention policy of MI/CSK which has led to all these mess. Did u have something of this kind in the first 3 editions. Infact  in the first 3 editions, the so called rich teams were sulking that they got short changed with the icon policy.

the western cronies and Srini bastard make sure CSK and MI have the best of everything. I am happy Sahara has shown middle finger. I wish some other franchisee owner had the balls to unite and make an united revolt against these idiots

[Cover Point]

It clearly is an unfair tournament. I am amazed that ipl still has supporters. It seems more like the wwf at this time since results are skewed in savor of teams like Mumbai and chennai.

The fact that Mumbai was allowed to carry 5 foreign players which is clearly against the rules. The fact that they allow players to make side deals makes a mockery of the salary cap rules.

This is crap and I for one would root for this ipl season to fail.

[12th_Man]

Open to negotiations- Roy

http://www.espncricinfo.com/indian-premier-league-2012/content/current/story/552128.html

We are open to negotiations - Sahara chief
Nagraj Gollapudi

February 4, 2012

 Subroto Roy, the head of Sahara India Parivar, has said that he is not "rigid" but open to negotiations with the BCCI. Sahara withdrew as sponsor of the Indian cricket team and also its ownership of the IPL franchise Pune Warriors. Roy said he is open to negotiations because his primary concern is the welfare of the players of the Pune Warriors.

"We are not rigid," Roy said, in response to whether Sahara would be willing to re-consider its decision to pull out of sponsorship of the Indian team and withdraw from the ownership of the Pune franchise. Roy insisted the Pune franchise should participate in the IPL this season regardless of the decision taken by Sahara today. "I am really worried for one thing: that my players should get to play. Money I'll take care of, I am not worried about money." Roy however was not clear as to whether that was referring to the team playing under new ownership. He did, however, say he had asked the BCCI to scout for a potential corporate who would be interested in running the franchise.

Asked if Sahara would be back if the players are not transferred and the team is not sold to someone else, Roy said: "It does not depend on me alone. It also depends on the BCCI. We are there to support them. We are there to adjust many things."

Roy said though the decision was an emotional one, he and his senior managers were in constant touch with the BCCI top brass. In fact, Roy himself had called up N Srinivasan, the BCCI president. "I had never spoken to him previously. It was the first time I had called him. I told him as a head of a company and you being the head of the BCCI, it is my responsibility to let you know of our decision," Roy said.

Srinivasan said he was not the head when certain decisions taken were not in favour of Sahara. "I told him in plain words. These were the difficulties right from the beginning. I know you were not the president from the beginning, but today you are. If you do not listen to us, then it is difficult to walk ahead," Roy said.

In their initial response earlier today, the BCCI vice-president Rajiv Shukla had said Sahara's decision was "unfortunate" but would react properly once they get an official communique from Sahara.

[12th_Man]

Dear Rams Sweetheart
........

Paging RJ...

[cricinfo]

It clearly is an unfair tournament. I am amazed that ipl still has supporters. It seems more like the wwf at this time since results are skewed in savor of teams like Mumbai and chennai.

The fact that Mumbai was allowed to carry 5 foreign players which is clearly against the rules. The fact that they allow players to make side deals makes a mockery of the salary cap rules.

This is crap and I for one would root for this ipl season to fail.

How will IPL fail if sponsors keep on pouring money ?

[Cover Point]

It clearly is an unfair tournament. I am amazed that ipl still has supporters. It seems more like the wwf at this time since results are skewed in savor of teams like Mumbai and chennai.

The fact that Mumbai was allowed to carry 5 foreign players which is clearly against the rules. The fact that they allow players to make side deals makes a mockery of the salary cap rules.

This is crap and I for one would root for this ipl season to fail.

How will IPL fail if sponsors keep on pouring money ?

Last year the ratings were down. Next you wll hear some real fixing stories. It's already bordering on that with off field stuff like this. I won't be surprised to see some stories about the games being fixed and some players being caught.

[cricinfo]

It clearly is an unfair tournament. I am amazed that ipl still has supporters. It seems more like the wwf at this time since results are skewed in savor of teams like Mumbai and chennai.

The fact that Mumbai was allowed to carry 5 foreign players which is clearly against the rules. The fact that they allow players to make side deals makes a mockery of the salary cap rules.

This is crap and I for one would root for this ipl season to fail.

How will IPL fail if sponsors keep on pouring money ?

Last year the ratings were down. Next you wll hear some real fixing stories. It's already bordering on that with off field stuff like this. I won't be surprised to see some stories about the games being fixed and some players being caught.

I am itching to hear about fixing...some young dumbass will fall for it and screw up his career

but more than anything else i want franchisee owners or stakeholders to open the BCCI can of worms and there should be mob lynching of some of these guys

[12th_Man]

I dont want IPL to fail. It has given cricketers option to make money. Four hrs entertainment to people. Economic boom in cities.
I agree with CP- There are flaws and the goalposts are shifted for certain teams with influential powers.
Issues should be addressed at that level.
Otherwise it is like blaming IPL for test failure.   

[Cover Point]

I dont want IPL to fail. It has given cricketers option to make money. Four hrs entertainment to people. Economic boom in cities.
I agree with CP- There are flaws and the goalposts are shifted for certain teams with influential powers.
Issues should be addressed at that level.
Otherwise it is like blaming IPL for test failure.

Who is going to fix this? They are all involved with their own vested interests. When the head of bcci also owns one of the franchises it is like my bat my ball my ground so my friends can bat twice.

[dextrous]

I dont want IPL to fail. It has given cricketers option to make money. Four hrs entertainment to people. Economic boom in cities.
I agree with CP- There are flaws and the goalposts are shifted for certain teams with influential powers.
Issues should be addressed at that level.
Otherwise it is like blaming IPL for test failure.

Who is going to fix this? They are all involved with their own vested interests. When the head of bcci also owns one of the franchises it is like my bat my ball my ground so my friends can bat twice.

i find myself in agreement with cp (gasp). you can't have team owners also running bcci. but favors to ambani really left a bad taste in the mouth. it seems rules are evoked to screw some teams. rajasthan was also treater poorly last year. and with pune playing with no new players, it is going to be a farce

[dextrous]

it seems like other franchises like mumbai and bangalore were getting what they wanted but pune actually had good reason to be pissed that they can't even swap out yuvraj. to me it seems fair. no?

I do not think Bangalore had any advantage. Let us consider this. Gayle was available for all the 10 teams last season. Due to some reason nobody(include RCB) bought him. As luck would have it, RCB had an injury issue and it co-incided with WICB kicking out Gayle. Luckily for RCB, the base price of Gayle was less then the price at which they had bought Nannes. A bigger slice of luck was Gayle firing after being in (mind u, he was there in the first 3 seasons as well but did not play as well as he played last time around). This led to a lot of heart burn amongst many franchises. RCB did not go against any law, the rule about having 1st right of refusal was invoked and he was retained. ( The actual amount might be more but this will lead to several other players as well ie SRT, Dhoni, Raina, Albie, Bhajji). The plain jealousy is coming out now. If Gayle was a super flop last season, I repeat Sahara or anybody else would never have bothered if RCB had retained or left out Gayle

Read the other thread I started. RCB claims it retained Gayle for 500k. That's a joke. Gayle would not willingly give up 500k.

Is it not disclosed that Gayle has been signed as the brand ambassador of the UB group? Legally, this is what he he earns just like Pune has brought Ganguly for 400, Chennai for Dhoni at 1.8, Raina at 1.2, Albie at 500 etc etc

What are you talking about?

what he is talking about is the fact that the "rich" teams have been buying players at an equivalent or lesser price than the ceiling price and then offering them side deals. Gayle will get mad money to be brand ambassador of Whyte and Mackay to compensate him for the loss he made by accepting a 550k offer. that is ridiculous. someone suggested an NFL style pick system. that would be nice. i cannot imagine KKR or RR  competing with the likes of Ambani, India cements or even the deccan chronicle if this continues. imagine, Mumbai could buy SRT for 100k and then make him brand ambassador for reliance XYZ and pay him 3 million for that. what a crock of crap.

agree...at least some of the other franchises like mumbai pay a million out of the salary cap to sachin...here gayle is being paid pennies to avoid the salary cap....complete crap. just get rid of the salary cap altogether if this is how it is going to be done. then some time like oakland (moneyball) will shock the world.

[ramshorns]

It clearly is an unfair tournament. I am amazed that ipl still has supporters. It seems more like the wwf at this time since results are skewed in savor of teams like Mumbai and chennai.

The fact that Mumbai was allowed to carry 5 foreign players which is clearly against the rules. The fact that they allow players to make side deals makes a mockery of the salary cap rules.

This is crap and I for one would root for this ipl season to fail.

It is always unfair CP when you are dealing with BCCI. It is lesser of the 2 evils.  Dalalmiya was worst, now these guys are only slightly better but that is not saying much. 

We are lucky to have greats like VVS, RD give us Eden 2001, Adelaide 2003, Durban 2011 moments despite all this.  Or the WC delivered by MSD, SRT, VS, GG 10 months back after a gap of 28 years.

[cricinfo]

It clearly is an unfair tournament. I am amazed that ipl still has supporters. It seems more like the wwf at this time since results are skewed in savor of teams like Mumbai and chennai.

The fact that Mumbai was allowed to carry 5 foreign players which is clearly against the rules. The fact that they allow players to make side deals makes a mockery of the salary cap rules.

This is crap and I for one would root for this ipl season to fail.

It is always unfair CP when you are dealing with BCCI. It is lesser of the 2 evils.  Dalalmiya was worst, now these guys are only slightly better but that is not saying much. 

We are lucky to have greats like VVS, RD give us Eden 2001, Adelaide 2003, Durban 2011 moments despite all this. Or the WC delivered by MSD, SRT, VS, GG 10 months back after a gap of 28 years.

Correction1 - "now these guys are only slightly better  because of VVS had a halo effect on Pawar , in fact he was regularly shagging off to VVS portrait , the shiny teeth always turned Pawar on"

Correction2 - "Or the VVS inpired WC delivered by MSD, SRT, VS, GG 10 months back after a gap of 28 years. It took Laxman's entire youth to give India a cherished WC"

[dextrous]

It clearly is an unfair tournament. I am amazed that ipl still has supporters. It seems more like the wwf at this time since results are skewed in savor of teams like Mumbai and chennai.

The fact that Mumbai was allowed to carry 5 foreign players which is clearly against the rules. The fact that they allow players to make side deals makes a mockery of the salary cap rules.

This is crap and I for one would root for this ipl season to fail.

It is always unfair CP when you are dealing with BCCI. It is lesser of the 2 evils.  Dalalmiya was worst, now these guys are only slightly better but that is not saying much. 

We are lucky to have greats like VVS, RD give us Eden 2001, Adelaide 2003, Durban 2011 moments despite all this. Or the WC delivered by MSD, SRT, VS, GG 10 months back after a gap of 28 years.

Correction1 - "now these guys are only slightly better  because of VVS had a halo effect on Pawar , in fact he was regularly shagging off to VVS portrait , the shiny teeth always turned Pawar on"

Correction2 - "Or the VVS inpired WC delivered by MSD, SRT, VS, GG 10 months back after a gap of 28 years. It took Laxman's entire youth to give India a cherished WC"

I think Shivlal Yadav was also on the sidelines inspiring.