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[ramshorns]

To suggest that this loss was not embarrassing enough is obviously wrong. To counter this embarrassment with the 8/11 win/unbeaten series is also misleading, because we had an unusual number of home series during the last few years, combined with our good performance in SAF, NZ.

Well it all depends on how one looks at it.  The losses were lopsided without a doubt and players should take the blame for it embarrassed or not and I expect VVS and RD and SRT to make some serious decisions after these debacles.   Nothing more nothing less.

But why is 8/11 mis-leading.  You play what is handed to you and they did incredibly well to not lose in 11 straight series.  They drew series in SA and SL and won series in WI and NZ.  So that is very good and we also beat Aussies twice and England once and SL once in the same span at home and the reason why the team rose to No.1.  To me it is not mis-leading and the results are a fact that was earned through great team work under Kirsten and MSD. 

The nature of the defeats in England and Australia should not take the sheen away on what the same set of players and group achieved in 3 prior years.

Besides we also saw how the same Aussies(losing Ashes at home) and England (look at how pathetic they got bundled for 72 chasing 100 or so versus the average Pakis and lost the series already) lose series after series in India.  I think we should come out of this mind-set that some how winning at home is any less significant and sound apologetic.

India under RD won a Test series in England in 2007, when was the last time an English team won a Test series in India.  Let us see how England does in SL in March and in India in November.  Going by how they are struggling against the inexperienced Paki. spinners and the way they lost the ODI series 0-5 in India prior to that I gaurantee a loss in India and SL.

[Blwe_torch]

what decisions?
VVS and RD should be kicked out straightaway.........and while at it, kick out Srikkanth too.....and also the coach DF.
Sunil Gavasker too was suggesting that the coaches should be more accountable......and the zonal selction system must go.
India has never been so bad...not in it's entire history of cricket.
This shameless bunch of so-called 'professional' cricketers/ coaches and selectors have shown us this day.
If they have even an iota of shame left, they must retire themselves, without thinking of their personal perks and profits.

[ganavk]

Any decision to force these guys to retire involuntarily without taking decision on SRT is farce and that's what exactly is goign to happen sadly. 
Let them retire whenever they want..selectors don't have to select them.

[ganavk]

Yes. It was time for the gentleman who overstayed.

Before the start of the series Indians were overconfident and even advising Australians what to do. RD pitching for RP. 

RD should also take some blame for the Management failure because the current coach DF was his recommendation.
During the course of the tour when he himself needed the technical help found out the worth of his choice and realized that the perception can be very deceptive. One may say it was JK who suggested DF but who said JK has best interest of Indian cricket at heart?

lol..gentleman who overstayed ? are you talking about the same person who just had his best year in test cricket.
Again ...our bad batting is just masking the worse bowling. Just bowling all over the place and then expect batsmen to save your is not going to get you anywhere!

GK...You want your favorite cricketers to leave when they are high or Low?

I want them to leave when they want to , selectors don't have to select them if they think they are not up to it. Looks like we have worse problem with Sehwag going after captaincy and forming a player's clique. Greg tried to break the player power and sadly it was wrong timing!

[WicketView]

what decisions?
VVS and RD should be kicked out straightaway.........and while at it, kick out Srikkanth too.....and also the coach DF.
Sunil Gavasker too was suggesting that the coaches should be more accountable......and the zonal selction system must go.
India has never been so bad...not in it's entire history of cricket.
This shameless bunch of so-called 'professional' cricketers/ coaches and selectors have shown us this day.
If they have even an iota of shame left, they must retire themselves, without thinking of their personal perks and profits.

This just shows your anger and nothing else. If they were getting "kicked out" (I assume that this is an aggressive way of saying get dropped by the selectors), how can that happen "now"? There must be a squad selection for  a test series for that to happen.

[ramshorns]

what decisions?
VVS and RD should be kicked out straightaway.........and while at it, kick out Srikkanth too.....and also the coach DF.
Sunil Gavasker too was suggesting that the coaches should be more accountable......and the zonal selction system must go.
India has never been so bad...not in it's entire history of cricket.
This shameless bunch of so-called 'professional' cricketers/ coaches and selectors have shown us this day.
If they have even an iota of shame left, they must retire themselves, without thinking of their personal perks and profits.

This just shows your anger and nothing else. If they were getting "kicked out" (I assume that this is an aggressive way of saying get dropped by the selectors), how can that happen "now"? There must be a squad selection for  a test series for that to happen.

Well Blwe like most of his comrades on this DG usually gets his inputs from some of his colleagues at work without access to facts that also happen to be causal fans. In other words they may not even completely know what the said players have accomplished or what the context of retirement means in this instance when there are not tests for almost 7 months.

[WicketView]

To suggest that this loss was not embarrassing enough is obviously wrong. To counter this embarrassment with the 8/11 win/unbeaten series is also misleading, because we had an unusual number of home series during the last few years, combined with our good performance in SAF, NZ.

Well it all depends on how one looks at it.  The losses were lopsided without a doubt and players should take the blame for it embarrassed or not and I expect VVS and RD and SRT to make some serious decisions after these debacles.   Nothing more nothing less.

Agree

But why is 8/11 mis-leading.  You play what is handed to you and they did incredibly well to not lose in 11 straight series.  They drew series in SA and SL and won series in WI and NZ.  So that is very good and we also beat Aussies twice and England once and SL once in the same span at home and the reason why the team rose to No.1.  To me it is not mis-leading and the results are a fact that was earned through great team work under Kirsten and MSD. 

Let us say you were playing cards and got a great hand, also played moderately well and won. But won mostly because of the great hand. Would I expect you to win often?

I do think that during this span we played well. SAF, NZ (which despite not having the most fearsome of cricketers has been a thorn in our side for a while). We also beat WI and Eng, but neither of those teams were particularly strong. I don't apologize  for the No.1 position: we played by the rules and got it. But there is danger in attaching too much significance to it, and allowing it to color our perspective. That is what I am saying.

The nature of the defeats in England and Australia should not take the sheen away on what the same set of players and group achieved in 3 prior years.

Besides we also saw how the same Aussies(losing Ashes at home) and England (look at how pathetic they got bundled for 72 chasing 100 or so versus the average Pakis and lost the series already) lose series after series in India.  I think we should come out of this mind-set that some how winning at home is any less significant and sound apologetic.

India under RD won a Test series in England in 2007, when was the last time an English team won a Test series in India.  Let us see how England does in SL in March and in India in November.  Going by how they are struggling against the inexperienced Paki. spinners and the way they lost the ODI series 0-5 in India prior to that I gaurantee a loss in India and SL.

Do you find Australia of the 90s and early 2000s to be a great team or the Indian team led by Azhar? All teams will have the going harder when they are away from home. But it is important to win away to be considered good.

[dave_dj]

Shewag says - 'We also won 2-0 in India'.  So there you go - they are not embarrassed as long as they can collect the check and expand their business.

[Blwe_torch]

what decisions?
VVS and RD should be kicked out straightaway.........and while at it, kick out Srikkanth too.....and also the coach DF.
Sunil Gavasker too was suggesting that the coaches should be more accountable......and the zonal selction system must go.
India has never been so bad...not in it's entire history of cricket.
This shameless bunch of so-called 'professional' cricketers/ coaches and selectors have shown us this day.
If they have even an iota of shame left, they must retire themselves, without thinking of their personal perks and profits.

This just shows your anger and nothing else. If they were getting "kicked out" (I assume that this is an aggressive way of saying get dropped by the selectors), how can that happen "now"? There must be a squad selection for  a test series for that to happen.

Well Blwe like most of his comrades on this DG usually gets his inputs from some of his colleagues at work without access to facts that also happen to be causal fans. In other words they may not even completely know what the said players have accomplished or what the context of retirement means in this instance when there are not tests for almost 7 months.

So you mean, players can stay on, thanks to their past performances?
Wow...you weren't this reasonable when it was SG who was being pushed out............double-standards anyone?

[ruchir]

Shewag says - 'We also won 2-0 in India'.  So there you go - they are not embarrassed as long as they can collect the check and expand their business.

  Can't understand how you inferred the bold part from the statement you quoted. I thought VS was referring to the sub-par AUS batting in IND, not him or others collecting checks and expanding business.

[dextrous]

what decisions?
VVS and RD should be kicked out straightaway.........and while at it, kick out Srikkanth too.....and also the coach DF.
Sunil Gavasker too was suggesting that the coaches should be more accountable......and the zonal selction system must go.
India has never been so bad...not in it's entire history of cricket.
This shameless bunch of so-called 'professional' cricketers/ coaches and selectors have shown us this day.
If they have even an iota of shame left, they must retire themselves, without thinking of their personal perks and profits.

This just shows your anger and nothing else. If they were getting "kicked out" (I assume that this is an aggressive way of saying get dropped by the selectors), how can that happen "now"? There must be a squad selection for  a test series for that to happen.

Well Blwe like most of his comrades on this DG usually gets his inputs from some of his colleagues at work without access to facts that also happen to be causal fans. In other words they may not even completely know what the said players have accomplished or what the context of retirement means in this instance when there are not tests for almost 7 months.

So you mean, players can stay on, thanks to their past performances?
Wow...you weren't this reasonable when it was SG who was being pushed out............double-standards anyone?

44 average deserves more than 42 average, I think.

[Cover Point]

what decisions?
VVS and RD should be kicked out straightaway.........and while at it, kick out Srikkanth too.....and also the coach DF.
Sunil Gavasker too was suggesting that the coaches should be more accountable......and the zonal selction system must go.
India has never been so bad...not in it's entire history of cricket.
This shameless bunch of so-called 'professional' cricketers/ coaches and selectors have shown us this day.
If they have even an iota of shame left, they must retire themselves, without thinking of their personal perks and profits.

This just shows your anger and nothing else. If they were getting "kicked out" (I assume that this is an aggressive way of saying get dropped by the selectors), how can that happen "now"? There must be a squad selection for  a test series for that to happen.

Well Blwe like most of his comrades on this DG usually gets his inputs from some of his colleagues at work without access to facts that also happen to be causal fans. In other words they may not even completely know what the said players have accomplished or what the context of retirement means in this instance when there are not tests for almost 7 months.

So you mean, players can stay on, thanks to their past performances?
Wow...you weren't this reasonable when it was SG who was being pushed out............double-standards anyone?

No double standard. That idiot ganguly had o past success to lean on. He was a mediocre player to start with.

[Cernunnos]

what decisions?
VVS and RD should be kicked out straightaway.........and while at it, kick out Srikkanth too.....and also the coach DF.
Sunil Gavasker too was suggesting that the coaches should be more accountable......and the zonal selction system must go.
India has never been so bad...not in it's entire history of cricket.
This shameless bunch of so-called 'professional' cricketers/ coaches and selectors have shown us this day.
If they have even an iota of shame left, they must retire themselves, without thinking of their personal perks and profits.

This just shows your anger and nothing else. If they were getting "kicked out" (I assume that this is an aggressive way of saying get dropped by the selectors), how can that happen "now"? There must be a squad selection for  a test series for that to happen.

Well Blwe like most of his comrades on this DG usually gets his inputs from some of his colleagues at work without access to facts that also happen to be causal fans. In other words they may not even completely know what the said players have accomplished or what the context of retirement means in this instance when there are not tests for almost 7 months.

So you mean, players can stay on, thanks to their past performances?
Wow...you weren't this reasonable when it was SG who was being pushed out............double-standards anyone?

44 average deserves more than 42 average, I think.

Yes, 44 average in (Eng+SA+Aus) deserves more than a 40 average in (E+SA+A)

[Blwe_torch]

what decisions?
VVS and RD should be kicked out straightaway.........and while at it, kick out Srikkanth too.....and also the coach DF.
Sunil Gavasker too was suggesting that the coaches should be more accountable......and the zonal selction system must go.
India has never been so bad...not in it's entire history of cricket.
This shameless bunch of so-called 'professional' cricketers/ coaches and selectors have shown us this day.
If they have even an iota of shame left, they must retire themselves, without thinking of their personal perks and profits.

This just shows your anger and nothing else. If they were getting "kicked out" (I assume that this is an aggressive way of saying get dropped by the selectors), how can that happen "now"? There must be a squad selection for  a test series for that to happen.

Well Blwe like most of his comrades on this DG usually gets his inputs from some of his colleagues at work without access to facts that also happen to be causal fans. In other words they may not even completely know what the said players have accomplished or what the context of retirement means in this instance when there are not tests for almost 7 months.

So you mean, players can stay on, thanks to their past performances?
Wow...you weren't this reasonable when it was SG who was being pushed out............double-standards anyone?

No double standard. That idiot ganguly had o past success to lean on. He was a mediocre player to start with.

You can shout abt that from your gutter-bottoms...but ppl may not listen.

[ramshorns]

what decisions?
VVS and RD should be kicked out straightaway.........and while at it, kick out Srikkanth too.....and also the coach DF.
Sunil Gavasker too was suggesting that the coaches should be more accountable......and the zonal selction system must go.
India has never been so bad...not in it's entire history of cricket.
This shameless bunch of so-called 'professional' cricketers/ coaches and selectors have shown us this day.
If they have even an iota of shame left, they must retire themselves, without thinking of their personal perks and profits.

This just shows your anger and nothing else. If they were getting "kicked out" (I assume that this is an aggressive way of saying get dropped by the selectors), how can that happen "now"? There must be a squad selection for  a test series for that to happen.

Well Blwe like most of his comrades on this DG usually gets his inputs from some of his colleagues at work without access to facts that also happen to be causal fans. In other words they may not even completely know what the said players have accomplished or what the context of retirement means in this instance when there are not tests for almost 7 months.

So you mean, players can stay on, thanks to their past performances?
Wow...you weren't this reasonable when it was SG who was being pushed out............double-standards anyone?

Pushed out? After scoring 96 total runs at an average of 16 Ganguly was given 4 free Tests to bid good bye by Srikanth(who just replaced Vengsarkar after his term got over) a rope no other player should get after Vengsarkar decided to go in a different direction after that series defeat in SL and dropped him.  This is the same Vengsarkar that treated Ganguly very well during the GC era and game him that second chance despite being a failure on the domestic curcuit in 2005-2006.  Do some fact checking before trying to cry and play the victim.

[ruchir]

what decisions?
VVS and RD should be kicked out straightaway.........and while at it, kick out Srikkanth too.....and also the coach DF.
Sunil Gavasker too was suggesting that the coaches should be more accountable......and the zonal selction system must go.
India has never been so bad...not in it's entire history of cricket.
This shameless bunch of so-called 'professional' cricketers/ coaches and selectors have shown us this day.
If they have even an iota of shame left, they must retire themselves, without thinking of their personal perks and profits.

This just shows your anger and nothing else. If they were getting "kicked out" (I assume that this is an aggressive way of saying get dropped by the selectors), how can that happen "now"? There must be a squad selection for  a test series for that to happen.

Well Blwe like most of his comrades on this DG usually gets his inputs from some of his colleagues at work without access to facts that also happen to be causal fans. In other words they may not even completely know what the said players have accomplished or what the context of retirement means in this instance when there are not tests for almost 7 months.

So you mean, players can stay on, thanks to their past performances?
Wow...you weren't this reasonable when it was SG who was being pushed out............double-standards anyone?

No double standard. That idiot ganguly had o past success to lean on. He was a mediocre player to start with.

You can shout abt that from your gutter-bottoms...but ppl may not listen.

You listened to him and reacted. Makes me wonder about your location. 

[Blwe_torch]

what decisions?
VVS and RD should be kicked out straightaway.........and while at it, kick out Srikkanth too.....and also the coach DF.
Sunil Gavasker too was suggesting that the coaches should be more accountable......and the zonal selction system must go.
India has never been so bad...not in it's entire history of cricket.
This shameless bunch of so-called 'professional' cricketers/ coaches and selectors have shown us this day.
If they have even an iota of shame left, they must retire themselves, without thinking of their personal perks and profits.

This just shows your anger and nothing else. If they were getting "kicked out" (I assume that this is an aggressive way of saying get dropped by the selectors), how can that happen "now"? There must be a squad selection for  a test series for that to happen.

Well Blwe like most of his comrades on this DG usually gets his inputs from some of his colleagues at work without access to facts that also happen to be causal fans. In other words they may not even completely know what the said players have accomplished or what the context of retirement means in this instance when there are not tests for almost 7 months.

So you mean, players can stay on, thanks to their past performances?
Wow...you weren't this reasonable when it was SG who was being pushed out............double-standards anyone?

Pushed out? After scoring 96 total runs at an average of 16 Ganguly was given 4 free Tests to bid good bye by Srikanth(who just replaced Vengsarkar after his term got over) a rope no other player should get after Vengsarkar decided to go in a different direction after that series defeat in SL and dropped him.  This is the same Vengsarkar that treated Ganguly very well during the GC era and game him that second chance despite being a failure on the domestic curcuit in 2005-2006.  Do some fact checking before trying to cry and play the victim.

OK...that was just one series....I am not even cross-checking the numbers( I'wd rather ask my colleagues, as they are good in searching and compiling stats)...but how can RD's 2-3 years' draught be justified in the same veins?!
Even after the worst ever results in the history of Indian cricket, these senior guys don't think it necessary to take responsibility and retire..then they are opening themselves to harsh criticism. The standards must be fair for all....not just for Srikkanth's or ramshorn's favorites.

[Blwe_torch]

what decisions?
VVS and RD should be kicked out straightaway.........and while at it, kick out Srikkanth too.....and also the coach DF.
Sunil Gavasker too was suggesting that the coaches should be more accountable......and the zonal selction system must go.
India has never been so bad...not in it's entire history of cricket.
This shameless bunch of so-called 'professional' cricketers/ coaches and selectors have shown us this day.
If they have even an iota of shame left, they must retire themselves, without thinking of their personal perks and profits.

This just shows your anger and nothing else. If they were getting "kicked out" (I assume that this is an aggressive way of saying get dropped by the selectors), how can that happen "now"? There must be a squad selection for  a test series for that to happen.

Well Blwe like most of his comrades on this DG usually gets his inputs from some of his colleagues at work without access to facts that also happen to be causal fans. In other words they may not even completely know what the said players have accomplished or what the context of retirement means in this instance when there are not tests for almost 7 months.

So you mean, players can stay on, thanks to their past performances?
Wow...you weren't this reasonable when it was SG who was being pushed out............double-standards anyone?

No double standard. That idiot ganguly had o past success to lean on. He was a mediocre player to start with.

You can shout abt that from your gutter-bottoms...but ppl may not listen.

You listened to him and reacted. Makes me wonder about your location. 

I half-guessed, you would be there too......one has to dirty his knuckles to trap the gutter rodents..

[ruchir]

what decisions?
VVS and RD should be kicked out straightaway.........and while at it, kick out Srikkanth too.....and also the coach DF.
Sunil Gavasker too was suggesting that the coaches should be more accountable......and the zonal selction system must go.
India has never been so bad...not in it's entire history of cricket.
This shameless bunch of so-called 'professional' cricketers/ coaches and selectors have shown us this day.
If they have even an iota of shame left, they must retire themselves, without thinking of their personal perks and profits.

This just shows your anger and nothing else. If they were getting "kicked out" (I assume that this is an aggressive way of saying get dropped by the selectors), how can that happen "now"? There must be a squad selection for  a test series for that to happen.

Well Blwe like most of his comrades on this DG usually gets his inputs from some of his colleagues at work without access to facts that also happen to be causal fans. In other words they may not even completely know what the said players have accomplished or what the context of retirement means in this instance when there are not tests for almost 7 months.

So you mean, players can stay on, thanks to their past performances?
Wow...you weren't this reasonable when it was SG who was being pushed out............double-standards anyone?

No double standard. That idiot ganguly had o past success to lean on. He was a mediocre player to start with.

You can shout abt that from your gutter-bottoms...but ppl may not listen.

You listened to him and reacted. Makes me wonder about your location. 

I half-guessed, you would be there too......one has to dirty his knuckles to trap the gutter rodents..

Ok, so you agree you are there. You don't have to apologize for it though, no one is criticizing you for it.

[feverpitch]

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Specials/Cricket/India-vs-Australia-2011/Chunk-HT-UI-IndiaVSAustralia2011-TopStories/Dhoni-says-open-to-being-replaced-as-captain-Reports/SP-Article10-804494.aspx

Dhoni says open to being replaced as captain: Reports

Agencies
New Delhi, January 31, 2012

Team India skipper Mahendra Singh Dhoni on Tuesday said that he is open to being replaced as captain after the disasatrous performance in Test cricket overseas, according to reports.

"I am open to being replaced as the captain. Captaincy does not belong to any one person," Dhoni said. "I am trying to perform well," he further added.

India Test cricket team have lost eight consecutive matches overseas, including a four-match England series in 2011. Experts and former cricketers have openly criticised Dhoni and his men for not performing well in the long format of the game.