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[k-slice]

Mumbai, the khadoos Bast ards, have unearthed antother batting star in Kaustubh pawar. Century in his second game!!

[ramshorns]

And by the way heard Ganguly is leading the Bengal Ranji side.  Great going for a guy who basically said he is retired from all forms of the game three years back only to comeback for his personal gains in order to prepare for the IPL where he is a huge misfit anyway and was even snubbed in the auction only to make a typical backdoor entry.

[k-slice]

And by the way heard Ganguly is leading the Bengal Ranji side.  Great going for a guy who basically said he is retired from all forms of the game three years back only to comeback for his personal gains in order to prepare for the IPL where he is a huge misfit anyway and was even snubbed in the auction only to make a typical backdoor entry.

i thnk it is a sad commentary on the state of bengal's cricket in general. you STILL cant find anyone to replace him? or are you STILL caught up in the mindset of the senior most player leads by default. I would be ashamed to lead that side if I were him considering this has been a player who IMO has been forward thinking and has always supported the growth of yeng-stars. but whatever, coming from you, the supporter if a team that has had nepotism leading to a captain with a stellar average of 27 and 12 FC wickets its funny!

[sudzz]

And by the way heard Ganguly is leading the Bengal Ranji side.  Great going for a guy who basically said he is retired from all forms of the game three years back only to comeback for his personal gains in order to prepare for the IPL where he is a huge misfit anyway and was even snubbed in the auction only to make a typical backdoor entry.

i thnk it is a sad commentary on the state of bengal's cricket in general. you STILL cant find anyone to replace him? or are you STILL caught up in the mindset of the senior most player leads by default. I would be ashamed to lead that side if I were him considering this has been a player who IMO has been forward thinking and has always supported the growth of yeng-stars. but whatever, coming from you, the supporter if a team that has had nepotism leading to a captain with a stellar average of 27 and 12 FC wickets its funny!

Are you kidding, I sure hope you are, Ganguly leading Bengal is not on...what the heck is happening at CAB....

[ramshorns]

And by the way heard Ganguly is leading the Bengal Ranji side.  Great going for a guy who basically said he is retired from all forms of the game three years back only to comeback for his personal gains in order to prepare for the IPL where he is a huge misfit anyway and was even snubbed in the auction only to make a typical backdoor entry.

i thnk it is a sad commentary on the state of bengal's cricket in general. you STILL cant find anyone to replace him? or are you STILL caught up in the mindset of the senior most player leads by default. I would be ashamed to lead that side if I were him considering this has been a player who IMO has been forward thinking and has always supported the growth of yeng-stars. but whatever, coming from you, the supporter if a team that has had nepotism leading to a captain with a stellar average of 27 and 12 FC wickets its funny!

Are you kidding, I sure hope you are, Ganguly leading Bengal is not on...what the heck is happening at CAB....

More than CAB Ganguly comes across as someone who is not honest.  Repeatedly he said he will never lead blah blah blah...Now all they needed to do is to come up with a coverup which they did to perfection saying they had no choice since Tiwary and Saha were not available.  As if Bose or someone else would have said NO. 

[k-slice]

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-11-26/ranji-trophy/30444175_1_manoj-tiwary-bengal-deep-dasgupta

[sudzz]

And by the way heard Ganguly is leading the Bengal Ranji side.  Great going for a guy who basically said he is retired from all forms of the game three years back only to comeback for his personal gains in order to prepare for the IPL where he is a huge misfit anyway and was even snubbed in the auction only to make a typical backdoor entry.

i thnk it is a sad commentary on the state of bengal's cricket in general. you STILL cant find anyone to replace him? or are you STILL caught up in the mindset of the senior most player leads by default. I would be ashamed to lead that side if I were him considering this has been a player who IMO has been forward thinking and has always supported the growth of yeng-stars. but whatever, coming from you, the supporter if a team that has had nepotism leading to a captain with a stellar average of 27 and 12 FC wickets its funny!

Are you kidding, I sure hope you are, Ganguly leading Bengal is not on...what the heck is happening at CAB....

More than CAB Ganguly comes across as someone who is not honest.  Repeatedly he said he will never lead blah blah blah...Now all they needed to do is to come up with a coverup which they did to perfection saying they had no choice since Tiwary and Saha were not available.  As if Bose or someone else would have said NO.

You are right though honestly in the interest of the sport and developing the team for long term the association needs to take these calls and not allow players to step in as and when they feel.Though here I feel that it would have been SG bailing them out rather than asking for captaincy.

[k-slice]

And by the way heard Ganguly is leading the Bengal Ranji side.  Great going for a guy who basically said he is retired from all forms of the game three years back only to comeback for his personal gains in order to prepare for the IPL where he is a huge misfit anyway and was even snubbed in the auction only to make a typical backdoor entry.

i thnk it is a sad commentary on the state of bengal's cricket in general. you STILL cant find anyone to replace him? or are you STILL caught up in the mindset of the senior most player leads by default. I would be ashamed to lead that side if I were him considering this has been a player who IMO has been forward thinking and has always supported the growth of yeng-stars. but whatever, coming from you, the supporter if a team that has had nepotism leading to a captain with a stellar average of 27 and 12 FC wickets its funny!

Are you kidding, I sure hope you are, Ganguly leading Bengal is not on...what the heck is happening at CAB....

More than CAB Ganguly comes across as someone who is not honest.  Repeatedly he said he will never lead blah blah blah...Now all they needed to do is to come up with a coverup which they did to perfection saying they had no choice since Tiwary and Saha were not available.  As if Bose or someone else would have said NO.

You are right though honestly in the interest of the sport and developing the team for long term the association needs to take these calls and not allow players to step in as and when they feel.Though here I feel that it would have been SG bailing them out rather than asking for captaincy.

whats wrong with the 10 other players in the team? i am sure at least one would have been keen to get a taste of captaincy. If Sg had been around that would have been like free coaching on the job with an expert!
I am looking forward to SG in his role as mentor for the warriors. i see SG as a coach in the future (RAMS: Insert stuff about him being lazy, his poor techinique etc here, it will save you the trouble of writing about it in another post!!

[ramshorns]

And by the way Dartbhajan waited till the day after he got dropped from the Aussie tour to pull out of the Ranji game with some mysterious injury to his shinbone.  May be someone whacked him on his shin for the jerk he is.  Goes on to show the commitment levels some of these guys have.

[Cernunnos]

I am concerned about the Hyderabad (India) school of batting, which produced the likes of ML Jaisimha (who was the great SMG's boyhood hero) down to Laxman. Today they are languishing in the plate division and dishing out record breaking low scores, such as this most recently:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/indian-domestic-2011/engine/match/522999.html

Giving figures of 20-8 to some bowler called Darekar.

[ramshorns]

LOL.  While it is true Hyd can do a lot better the likes of Laxman, Ojha being not available for most games and Rayadu choosing a zone where he has a chance to get better noticed things are on a temporary decline.  I expect them to get out of the Plate division this season or worst case next season. 

But my broader point of Ganguly being a selfish dude using CAB for his personal gains still stands.  Imagine a SRT or VVS or RD doing something like this after they announce their retirement from First class cricket only to come back to play for their respective state/city teams for their personal gains in this case getting ready for the IPL, I will be first to criticize them. Not that they will ever do what Ganguly has been doing here for the last couple of years picking and choosing as he pleases putting the team in an uncomfortable position.

Only fickle Ganguly fans can find an issue with such criticism and try to get defensive.

[Blwe_torch]

I am concerned about the Hyderabad (India) school of batting, which produced the likes of ML Jaisimha (who was the great SMG's boyhood hero) down to Laxman. Today they are languishing in the plate division and dishing out record breaking low scores, such as this most recently:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/indian-domestic-2011/engine/match/522999.html

Giving figures of 20-8 to some bowler called Darekar.

Talking of Honesty, it is rich that they talk about all this when the leading lights of Hyd cricket have been caught wheeling-dealing with the murky world of match-fixing since ages..............with nepotism, another characteristic ruling the roost.

Regarding Ganguly's captaincy...I agree, it is high time Bengal looks for someone new.

[dhruvdeepak]

I am concerned about the Hyderabad (India) school of batting, which produced the likes of ML Jaisimha (who was the great SMG's boyhood hero) down to Laxman. Today they are languishing in the plate division and dishing out record breaking low scores, such as this most recently:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/indian-domestic-2011/engine/match/522999.html

Giving figures of 20-8 to some bowler called Darekar.

Talking of Honesty, it is rich that they talk about all this when the leading lights of Hyd cricket have been caught wheeling-dealing with the murky world of match-fixing since ages..............with nepotism, another characteristic ruling the roost.

Regarding Ganguly's captaincy...I agree, it is high time Bengal looks for someone new.

manoj tiwary is the captain but he is with the Indian squad at the moment

[Cernunnos]

I am concerned about the Hyderabad (India) school of batting, which produced the likes of ML Jaisimha (who was the great SMG's boyhood hero) down to Laxman. Today they are languishing in the plate division and dishing out record breaking low scores, such as this most recently:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/indian-domestic-2011/engine/match/522999.html

Giving figures of 20-8 to some bowler called Darekar.

Talking of Honesty, it is rich that they talk about all this when the leading lights of Hyd cricket have been caught wheeling-dealing with the murky world of match-fixing since ages..............with nepotism, another characteristic ruling the roost.

Regarding Ganguly's captaincy...I agree, it is high time Bengal looks for someone new.

Do you remember this shell-shock that Bengal gave Hyderabad?
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/bengal-in-drivers-seat-after-tiwarys-double-ton/236414/0

Young Manoj Tiwary completed another aggressive double hundred to help Bengal post a mammoth 461 in their first innings of the Ranji Trophy opener against Hyderabad at the Eden Gardens today. And in reply, the visitors were tottering at 65/5 with skipper VVS Laxman falling to a fourth ball duck. Tiwary stamped his authority over Hyderabad with an aggressive 203 and debutant wicketkeeper Wriddhiman Saha did himself a huge favour scoring a matured 111.

Since then VVS has played only 4 Ranji ties, and not a single one since Hyd became a plate team. He could have so easily helped his beleaguered team back into the Elite level, but clearly he has other priorities. Or it could well be that the wheeling-dealing and nepotism has gone so deep that the decent man that VVS is, he does not want to participate in it.

I have criticised Ganguly for not playing full season last year. That said, he's playing regularly this year. Since Nov 2007 he has played 11 Ranji games, which is a healthy number. He has done his bit for Indian domestic cricket, unlike the other marquee names who would even sit on the sidelines watching rubbish T20 matches, but has no time for first-class domestics.

[ramshorns]

LOL again@ Ganguly doing his bit for the domestic cricket.  He is one of the biggest culprits when he was playing for India skipping matches when he should have been working on his game which was one of the reasons he got the royal boot when Chappell took over the reigns since he was not up to the mark at the time.

Even here the reason Ganguly wanted to show up for Ranji is his for his selfish gains and not in any way shape or form to help the Bengal team. (Like an idiot he said it in public that he will use Ranji to get ready for IPL).

Speaking of nepotism does it get any worse than a former captain trying to use his state team for his personal gains - I think not.

It is such a shame CAB and Dalmiya are entertaining this when a cricketer that said he is announcing his retirement from the FC game comes back only for his personal gains and they let it happen.

[feverpitch]

LOL again@ Ganguly doing his bit for the domestic cricket.  He is one of the biggest culprits when he was playing for India skipping matches when he should have been working on his game which was one of the reasons he got the royal boot when Chappell took over the reigns since he was not up to the mark at the time.

Even here the reason Ganguly wanted to show up for Ranji is his for his selfish gains and not in any way shape or form to help the Bengal team. (Like an idiot he said it in public that he will use Ranji to get ready for IPL).

Speaking of nepotism does it get any worse than a former captain trying to use his state team for his personal gains - I think not.

It is such a shame CAB and Dalmiya are entertaining this when a cricketer that said he is announcing his retirement from the FC game comes back only for his personal gains and they let it happen.

CAB tera baap ka sampatti hai kya?

[ramshorns]

LOL again@ Ganguly doing his bit for the domestic cricket.  He is one of the biggest culprits when he was playing for India skipping matches when he should have been working on his game which was one of the reasons he got the royal boot when Chappell took over the reigns since he was not up to the mark at the time.

Even here the reason Ganguly wanted to show up for Ranji is his for his selfish gains and not in any way shape or form to help the Bengal team. (Like an idiot he said it in public that he will use Ranji to get ready for IPL).

Speaking of nepotism does it get any worse than a former captain trying to use his state team for his personal gains - I think not.

It is such a shame CAB and Dalmiya are entertaining this when a cricketer that said he is announcing his retirement from the FC game comes back only for his personal gains and they let it happen.

CAB tera baap ka sampatti hai kya?

Do you even have one or are you still running around to get the DNA results?

[ramshorns]

WTF
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Agarkar leaves team after being dropped

 Ajit Agarkar, the Mumbai fast bowler, has left the team in Cuttack because he was disappointed after being dropped from the XI for the Ranji Trophy match against Orissa. Agarkar was part of Mumbai's 15-man squad, and had played their previous game against Karnataka, but he was told by the captain Wasim Jaffer, coach Sulakshan Kulkarni and selector Ravi Thakkar after a team meeting on Monday that they had decided to pick Aavishkar Salvi ahead of him.

"They did not tell me before going that I am not going to be the part of the XI. I do not expect to not play Ranji Trophy for Mumbai," Agarkar told ESPNcricinfo. Agarkar had missed Mumbai's first two games of the season with a thigh injury and was wicketless in the third-round match against Karnataka at the Brabourne Stadium.

With Zaheer Khan playing against Orissa to prove his fitness for India's tour of Australia, the Mumbai selectors had a choice to make between Agarkar and Salvi.

"My only issue is, if they had decided beforehand in Mumbai, they could have easily told me and I might not have gone to Cuttack," Agarkar said. "For someone who has been around for this long, just telling him the night before the match that he is not in the playing XI is not what you accept."

Once he had decided to return to Mumbai, Agarkar followed protocol and called Nitin Dalal, the Mumbai Cricket Association secretary, requesting permission to return home. "I asked him and the team management to allow me to go. I was feeling very dejected and me sitting there in the dressing room sulking with the young guys around would only add unnecessary pressure."

Agarkar said he was hurt because the selection committee, along with Jaffer and Kulkarni, had known him for a long time and he felt he deserved a call in private. "The captain knows me for the last 20 years, since my school days. The selection committee chairman [Milind Rege] actually got me [a job with] Tatas. Abey Kuruvilla, another selector, has played cricket with me and Sulakshan Kulkarni has played Ranji Trophy with me. Anyone of these people could have told me before the squad left for Cuttack."


Agarkar was not worried about the potential repercussions of his decision. "I am hurt because after one match you are telling me that I have become that bad for Mumbai's Ranji Trophy team then obviously there is something more to it than just cricket."

Salvi had missed Mumbai's previous two matches - against Rajasthan, because he was not well, and against Karnataka, because Mumbai chose to play three spinners - with Agarkar getting selected ahead of him.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ranji-trophy-elite-2011/content/story/542943.html

[ramshorns]

Zaheer backs Agarkar but draws selector's flak
 
Ajit Agarkar's decision to return home from Cuttack after being dropped by Mumbai for the Ranji Trophy match against Orissa has spun off a separate controversy, with his team-mate Zaheer Khan defending him and in turn being criticised by Milind Rege, Mumbai's chairman of selectors.

Zaheer had said Rege and Sulakshan Kulkarni, the Mumbai coach, could have handled the situation with better "communication" and that there was no need to "humiliate" Agarkar.

"I am not the kind of person to say all this, but I just feel that people like Rege and Sulakshan are actually pulling Mumbai cricket back," Zaheer had told Mid-Day. "This is an utter disgrace. I am very disappointed and hurt by the way the whole situation has been handled. It is high time things get sorted out."

A disappointed Agarkar left Cuttack on the morning of the match despite Rege and Nitin Dalal, Mumbai Cricket Association (MCA) secretary, asking him to stay with the team.

"I am very hurt," Rege told ESPNcricinfo, when asked about Zaheer's reaction. "Because if anybody questions my ability to select or my judgment, it is an opinion of the other person. But if anybody questions my integrity, I will not accept it."

Rege, a former Mumbai captain, said Zaheer should not have made a "personal attack" on him. "He is a very mild guy and I do not know what provoked him to say something so harsh. It is not fair on his part."

Agarkar said he was upset that he hadn't been informed of the team management's decision to drop him earlier, and was told of it only on the eve of the match. Zaheer supported Agarkar's decision. "A player who has done so much for the country and state, has taken over 300 international wickets, has been consistent performer and a certainty in the team at least deserves better communication and respect. There is no reason to humiliate someone who has done great service to your team."

Explaining his decision to leave the squad, Agarkar said what hurt him most was that Rege, who had helped him play for the Tatas, did not inform him in advance. Rege disagreed, saying the policy of the selection panel was clear: select the 15 and then let the captain and coach pick the final XI. "The selection committee feels the coach and the captain are the people on the job on the ground, so how can we select the team five days prior to match. The strategies are discussed in the selection committee but the final decision of whom to take or whom not to take in the XI depends on the wicket and the conditions."

Rege he had spoken to Agarkar on the morning of the game. "He was extremely upset. He was not in a frame of mind to listen. I pleaded him, literally, to not come back and we would sort out the issue. Even Nitin Dalal tried to convince him. But he was not prepared not to listen."

Rege, however, was confident the issue could be resolved. "I will sit with Ajit and try and defuse the situation." He said Agarkar would be considered during their next selection committee meeting on Saturday to pick the squad for Mumbai's match against Saurashtra in Rajkot from December 6.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/story/543057.html

[feverpitch]

LOL again@ Ganguly doing his bit for the domestic cricket.  He is one of the biggest culprits when he was playing for India skipping matches when he should have been working on his game which was one of the reasons he got the royal boot when Chappell took over the reigns since he was not up to the mark at the time.

Even here the reason Ganguly wanted to show up for Ranji is his for his selfish gains and not in any way shape or form to help the Bengal team. (Like an idiot he said it in public that he will use Ranji to get ready for IPL).

Speaking of nepotism does it get any worse than a former captain trying to use his state team for his personal gains - I think not.

It is such a shame CAB and Dalmiya are entertaining this when a cricketer that said he is announcing his retirement from the FC game comes back only for his personal gains and they let it happen.

CAB tera baap ka sampatti hai kya?

Do you even have one or are you still running around to get the DNA results?

You wouldn't say this after speaking to your mother, considering the many ways I did her before you were born.

[k-slice]

LOL again@ Ganguly doing his bit for the domestic cricket.  He is one of the biggest culprits when he was playing for India skipping matches when he should have been working on his game which was one of the reasons he got the royal boot when Chappell took over the reigns since he was not up to the mark at the time.

Even here the reason Ganguly wanted to show up for Ranji is his for his selfish gains and not in any way shape or form to help the Bengal team. (Like an idiot he said it in public that he will use Ranji to get ready for IPL).

Speaking of nepotism does it get any worse than a former captain trying to use his state team for his personal gains - I think not.

It is such a shame CAB and Dalmiya are entertaining this when a cricketer that said he is announcing his retirement from the FC game comes back only for his personal gains and they let it happen.

CAB tera baap ka sampatti hai kya?

Do you even have one or are you still running around to get the DNA results?

You wouldn't say this after speaking to your mother, considering the many ways I did her before you were born.

come on dude, do you really have to do this here? and dont say you are reacting because you brought in the Baap angle into this. On one thready you come across as an intelligent, articulate intellectually capable dude and on another you act like a 12 year old.

[feverpitch]

LOL again@ Ganguly doing his bit for the domestic cricket.  He is one of the biggest culprits when he was playing for India skipping matches when he should have been working on his game which was one of the reasons he got the royal boot when Chappell took over the reigns since he was not up to the mark at the time.

Even here the reason Ganguly wanted to show up for Ranji is his for his selfish gains and not in any way shape or form to help the Bengal team. (Like an idiot he said it in public that he will use Ranji to get ready for IPL).

Speaking of nepotism does it get any worse than a former captain trying to use his state team for his personal gains - I think not.

It is such a shame CAB and Dalmiya are entertaining this when a cricketer that said he is announcing his retirement from the FC game comes back only for his personal gains and they let it happen.

CAB tera baap ka sampatti hai kya?

Do you even have one or are you still running around to get the DNA results?

You wouldn't say this after speaking to your mother, considering the many ways I did her before you were born.

come on dude, do you really have to do this here? and dont say you are reacting because you brought in the Baap angle into this. On one thready you come across as an intelligent, articulate intellectually capable dude and on another you act like a 12 year old.

Check out how Rambha has been consistently trying to inflame passions by his gutter talk about Ganguly, CAB, cricket in Bengal, what not.

[k-slice]

LOL again@ Ganguly doing his bit for the domestic cricket.  He is one of the biggest culprits when he was playing for India skipping matches when he should have been working on his game which was one of the reasons he got the royal boot when Chappell took over the reigns since he was not up to the mark at the time.

Even here the reason Ganguly wanted to show up for Ranji is his for his selfish gains and not in any way shape or form to help the Bengal team. (Like an idiot he said it in public that he will use Ranji to get ready for IPL).

Speaking of nepotism does it get any worse than a former captain trying to use his state team for his personal gains - I think not.

It is such a shame CAB and Dalmiya are entertaining this when a cricketer that said he is announcing his retirement from the FC game comes back only for his personal gains and they let it happen.

CAB tera baap ka sampatti hai kya?

Do you even have one or are you still running around to get the DNA results?

You wouldn't say this after speaking to your mother, considering the many ways I did her before you were born.

come on dude, do you really have to do this here? and dont say you are reacting because you brought in the Baap angle into this. On one thready you come across as an intelligent, articulate intellectually capable dude and on another you act like a 12 year old.

Check out how Rambha has been consistently trying to inflame passions by his gutter talk about Ganguly, CAB, cricket in Bengal, what not.

dude CAB is an institution and we all have our opinions of various institutions be it the CAb, the HCA the BCCI or the bloody election commission. If rams starts criticizing it you can counter it. Why bring his father into it? thats where the topic goes into the gutter. I am sure you have the mental ability to counter criticize without getting personal. we argued on the FDi thread without getting personal did we not ( unless you consider my offer to buy you a ticket to a place as a personal affront. I am assuming you do not).

[k-slice]

Agarkar must be hurting even more now. Zaheer khan gets one wicket, Dhawal Kulkarni gets 4 and Avishkar Mcgrath gets 2. I hope Zak is actually fit this time around. The sad part is that orissa are 57/7. not that i give two craps about them but i wont get to see Kaustubh Pawar bat again.

[feverpitch]

dude CAB is an institution and we all have our opinions of various institutions be it the CAb, the HCA the BCCI or the bloody election commission. If rams starts criticizing it you can counter it. Why bring his father into it? thats where the topic goes into the gutter. I am sure you have the mental ability to counter criticize without getting personal. we argued on the FDi thread without getting personal did we not ( unless you consider my offer to buy you a ticket to a place as a personal affront. I am assuming you do not).

Dude, the problem is that what Rambha did here is not a one-off, as you'll surely know. For the last maybe 6-7 years, like a scratched record, she has had but one refrain: Ganguly is dishonest/bad/what not. For all I know, he (Ganguly) may be all that and more. Does that give Mango Dolly the right to go on and trash practically every thread, sometimes not even related to cricket, with her personal hatred for SCG?

In fact, considering that most of her filth is unproven and baseless allegations fermented inside her depraved imagination, why should the character-assassination of a public figure, who also happens to be one of India's greatest  cricketers and captains, even be allowed here? Shouldn't action be taken against that?

[ramshorns]

LOL again@ Ganguly doing his bit for the domestic cricket.  He is one of the biggest culprits when he was playing for India skipping matches when he should have been working on his game which was one of the reasons he got the royal boot when Chappell took over the reigns since he was not up to the mark at the time.

Even here the reason Ganguly wanted to show up for Ranji is his for his selfish gains and not in any way shape or form to help the Bengal team. (Like an idiot he said it in public that he will use Ranji to get ready for IPL).

Speaking of nepotism does it get any worse than a former captain trying to use his state team for his personal gains - I think not.

It is such a shame CAB and Dalmiya are entertaining this when a cricketer that said he is announcing his retirement from the FC game comes back only for his personal gains and they let it happen.

CAB tera baap ka sampatti hai kya?

Do you even have one or are you still running around to get the DNA results?

You wouldn't say this after speaking to your mother, considering the many ways I did her before you were born.

come on dude, do you really have to do this here? and dont say you are reacting because you brought in the Baap angle into this. On one thready you come across as an intelligent, articulate intellectually capable dude and on another you act like a 12 year old.

Check out how Rambha has been consistently trying to inflame passions by his gutter talk about Ganguly, CAB, cricket in Bengal, what not.

Truth hurts.  Your Ganguly’s selfish deeds are well documented.  Run-ins with coaches (GC, JB and JW) and making dressing rooms conversations public are well documented.  Now he openly comes out and says he wants to use Bengal cricket as his platform to get ready for the IPL like an idiot and what are we neutral fans suppose to say sing praises like lunatics like you even when he is being a jack ass.

[ramshorns]

dude CAB is an institution and we all have our opinions of various institutions be it the CAb, the HCA the BCCI or the bloody election commission. If rams starts criticizing it you can counter it. Why bring his father into it? thats where the topic goes into the gutter. I am sure you have the mental ability to counter criticize without getting personal. we argued on the FDi thread without getting personal did we not ( unless you consider my offer to buy you a ticket to a place as a personal affront. I am assuming you do not).

Dude, the problem is that what Rambha did here is not a one-off, as you'll surely know. For the last maybe 6-7 years, like a scratched record, she has had but one refrain: Ganguly is dishonest/bad/what not. For all I know, he (Ganguly) may be all that and more. Does that give Mango Dolly the right to go on and trash practically every thread, sometimes not even related to cricket, with her personal hatred for SCG?

In fact, considering that most of her filth is unproven and baseless allegations fermented inside her depraved imagination, why should the character-assassination of a public figure, who also happens to be one of India's greatest  cricketers and captains, even be allowed here? Shouldn't action be taken against that?

Not a chance.  This is a related thread about Ranji and Ganguly is appearing in it using CAB as his fiefdom after he announced he is retiring from the FC game to get ready for the IPL where no one even wants him but begged his way in which he is no good at anyway.  If he can be a damn fool which he is to provide fodder to people they sure will take him to task.  So this is not a character assassination as you myopics seem to think but a valid criticism.

[ramshorns]

And by the way the reaction of some of these Ganguly fanatics here on this thread is a proof that they are sulking because there is not much to debate but deflect the discussion by getting personal and acting like cry babies.

[ramshorns]

LOL again@ Ganguly doing his bit for the domestic cricket.  He is one of the biggest culprits when he was playing for India skipping matches when he should have been working on his game which was one of the reasons he got the royal boot when Chappell took over the reigns since he was not up to the mark at the time.

Even here the reason Ganguly wanted to show up for Ranji is his for his selfish gains and not in any way shape or form to help the Bengal team. (Like an idiot he said it in public that he will use Ranji to get ready for IPL).

Speaking of nepotism does it get any worse than a former captain trying to use his state team for his personal gains - I think not.

It is such a shame CAB and Dalmiya are entertaining this when a cricketer that said he is announcing his retirement from the FC game comes back only for his personal gains and they let it happen.

CAB tera baap ka sampatti hai kya?

Do you even have one or are you still running around to get the DNA results?

You wouldn't say this after speaking to your mother, considering the many ways I did her before you were born.

Look this is a reaction typical of a fanatic who has no cricketing nous to debate the likes of me. I take this as a win and leave you with the following.

1)   Guys like SRT, VVS and RD are still playing Test match cricket 3 years after Ganguly is gone and like a loser Ganguly is playing Ranji Trophy stealing a youngsters spot.  While the 3 greats are playing Tests Ganguly is playing Ranji.  That figures and may be appropriate given the difference in class between Ganguly and the other three.

2)   He was snubbed in the IPL auction a year back because he was considered to be a bad team guy and selfish(there was article on that).  He still tried to sneak in through the back door means by making calls to the teams despite being not wanted which was also posted here.  If you do not like it too bad but it is a fact and goes on to show his standing in cricketing circles and how he is viewed upon as.

If you really want to get mad get mad at yourself for thinking so highly about an average cricketer.  Told you hero worship is very bad.  But you will not listen and stoop down to the level of bringing in other posters Moms and Dads which by the way says a lot about your own parents and how they raised you if you really know who they are.  From your history here there is a remote chance of that.

[Cernunnos]

Look at this news item from 4 days ago. Looks like Laxman promised the HCA selectors that he would play for Hyderabad in the ongoing Ranji match - but surprise, surprise, he doesn't turn up for his team! Hyderabadi pride, anyone? Should we start calling him names like a turncoat, a liar? Why hasn't anyone chased down Laxman for not playing this important match with Goa after making promises?

match scorecard: http://www.espncricinfo.com/indian-domestic-2011/engine/current/match/523010.html



http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyderabad/article2662094.ece

VVS and Ojha to play Ranji game against Goa



For someone who played 129 Tests, the 37-year-old Vangipurapu Venkata Sai Laxman just could not resist the temptation to play a Ranji Trophy game against Goa from November 29. (*rofl*) Reason? His intense desire to see that Hyderabad gets promoted back into the Elite Group from the existing Plate Group (literally comprising second grade teams).

“Yes, we are delighted that Laxman will be back as the captain and his mere presence should lift the morale of the team,” feels Hyderabad Ranji selection panel chairman Abdul Azeem. (agreed, if only he actually condescends to play for Hyderabad!)

Double delight

“In fact, it is double delight that both Laxman and left-arm spinner Pragyan Ojha are available for this match,” he added.

The palpable sense of huge relief on the faces of Hyderabad selectors is understandable given the inconsistent run of the Ranji team this season which it began with big talk of ushering in a new chapter. After settling for a tame draw against Jharkhand and then losing to Maharashtra, it salvaged some pride by beating Assam to pick full points.

The fact that Hyderabad has to win the next two games – against Goa and Jammu & Kashmir (in the city) – has apparently prompted Laxman to play for the State team. “I always look at Ranji Trophy as a very important tournament for many reasons. And I will be more than delighted if I can contribute to the team's success whenever I get the chance,” is the strong belief of Laxman who last played a Ranji game in 2009. (haha! "when I get the chance") For the record, he holds the Ranji all-time record of scoring the highest number of runs in a season – 1415 in 1999-2000 season.

Well, at a time many big names give the Ranji Trophy amiss, Laxman's gesture is widely appreciated by the HCA officials who look for two outright wins in the final two games to qualify for the Elite Group.

“There is no better news than this. His greatness is his willingness to play in the match against Goa even though we are in the Plate Group,” says HCA secretary D. S. Chalapathi. (so Laxman, who is an active cricketer and has earned all his fame because of Hyderabad cricket, is doing a great favour by doing his job and turning up for Hyderabad, and even that he didn't do!)


Even Ojha's presence is bound to give the variety even as another left-arm spinner A. Lalith Mohan has emerged as the leading wicket-taker this season for Hyderabad.

[ramshorns]

LOL@Ganguly fans being so predictable.  When they have a big hole in their own shoes they go looking for one in someone else's when others may have none. Making fun of guys like VVS who take domestic cricket seriously is right up their alley just because a certain Ganguly was rightly questioned for his intentions to play Ranji. (Getting ready for IPL which Ganguly himself admitted)

Let us take this at face value and assume if this were Ganguly in VVS's place, I would have had no problems if Ganguly did not show up for a Ranji game two days after a gruelling Test match is concluded despite him wanting to earnestly help the home team which is what VVS wanted here.   Here is why VVS did not travel to Goa which is very valid.  He has a lower back niggle which he has been nursing for a while now which needs more time to recover between games.  If there were 2 additional days even one more day I say he sure would have turned up.  I really admire VVS's intentions and sincerity to help out and turn up for a Plate division game.  While the excitement of the HCA is understandable it all boils down to a player some times having to listen to his body and VVS's back as we all know at this stage of his career needs a day or two more of rest than his younger days.  Simple as that.

If anyone followed the domestic game in India at length they would know there is no better person than VVS who values the Ranji trophy matches as much and it is a well known fact as was even outlined in articles at various times.

[k-slice]

Maharashtra doing well against J&K(they have a team, its true!!). hope streams eternally!

[Cernunnos]

Rofl. When the cat is out of the bag, they resort to drawing false analogies. The issue here is about misleading the administration, his Hyderabadi team mates and the fans such as myself. No one would have made a ruckus if he made it clear at the outset that he won't play, par for the course from someone who has been avoiding Ranjis since 2009.  VVS was appointed captain for rest of the season (possibly his pre-condition) 6 days before the match - obviously this was done with his consent. He leads everyone to believe he will play even a day before the game. Suddenly the night before, he discovers a 'niggle' according to one unconfirmed source on this thread. Of course if it was SG who had the niggle, all hell would break loose from the inveterate haters. Laxman knows very well that come 8th December he will be flying off for Aus, and so ends his grand willingness to restore Hyderabadi pride!

[ramshorns]

Here is another instance in this very season where Ganguly has misused his position as a player while his fickle fans can focus on others players who have served Indian cricket better and never had any controversies or runins with the coaches. In a game that was a certain draw versus M.P., on the 5th day with 20 overs to go on the final day when Bengal got a chance to bat in the 2nd innings he suddenly opens the batting while his usual spot is No.5.  Under normal circumstance a youngster or the usual opening pair would have a go but with Ganguly in there you never know.  I am sure there is not much the captain can do and let Ganguly bat out of position opening in his quest to get ready for the IPL.  Sure enough he flayed his bat around and got some cheap runs and got out.  Goes on to show why teams never wanted to draft this guy who surely comes with a baggage and me first attitude. Pathetic. 

Have a look at the scorecard:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ranji-trophy-elite-2011/engine/match/522951.html

[Cernunnos]

Rofl. More false analogies. SG was not the captain who can decide the batting position for himself, so the question of misuse doesn't arise. Moreover, I would rather see youngsters score runs in live situations, not in a dead situations. In the old days, tailenders would be promoted in such situations to entertain the crowds (by the way there was a big crowd at the Jadavpur University ground who came to see Dada).

On the other hand VVS got himself appointed the captain, and then on his whim decided to to not play, leaving Hyderabad to fend for themselves. Thanks to Ojha's presence, Hyderabad might just end up with the 6 points they need, but that would have been ensured had VVS played.

If SG can be bashed for not playing at Nagpur (even though it was clear from the Chennai test that he had a niggle), the same standards have to be applied to VVS who was perfectly fit in the WI series. It needs to be exposed that VVS hasn't played a single match for Hyderabad in plate cricket. 

[ramshorns]

Rofl. More false analogies. SG was not the captain who can decide the batting position for himself, so the question of misuse doesn't arise. Moreover, I would rather see youngsters score runs in live situations, not in a dead situations. In the old days, tailenders would be promoted in such situations to entertain the crowds (by the way there was a big crowd at the Jadavpur University ground who came to see Dada).

That is the whole deal which I do not expect a blinded folded fanatic to see through what is very clear to others that he being a huge flesh in the thorn for the captains. That was the whole reason why Kolkata Knight Riders got rid of him and 9 others teams snubbed him from the IPL auction. Each owner thought he is a risk for him being not a good team player with a past history of sulking and creating controversies with coaches during his stint with the Indian cricket team and KKR and being selfish for looking out for himself and putting the teams in a difficult position.  But true to his form he managed to make calls and almost beg his way back into the IPL which is so embarrassing to say the least.

On the other hand VVS got himself appointed the captain, and then on his whim decided to to not play, leaving Hyderabad to fend for themselves. Thanks to Ojha's presence, Hyderabad might just end up with the 6 points they need, but that would have been ensured had VVS played.

Figment of imagination. 26th the Test ends and 29th the Ranji game in a different city.  A player like Ganguly in his playing days for India would never entertain a thought of appearing for Bengal on a 2 day notice leave alone making an effort to play.  To that end VVS needs to be commended but for the fact he needs to rest his back between games which is so well documented in the past year where he had several issues of back spasms that even cropped up during the great knock of 176* in the 2nd Test which incidentally India won.  He sure tried to play the Goa match but has to listen to his body.  All said and done country comes first and with the Aussie tour coming we all know where his priorities lie.

If SG can be bashed for not playing at Nagpur (even though it was clear from the Chennai test that he had a niggle), the same standards have to be applied to VVS who was perfectly fit in the WI series. It needs to be exposed that VVS hasn't played a single match for Hyderabad in plate cricket.

Apples and oranges but I think of it as a typical Ganguly fanatic tactic to deflect the issue since there is not much to debate the fact that Ganguly used CAB for his personal gains after retiring from FC cricket only to comeback to get ready for IPL, his sole mission to play Ranji per his own admission.  I would never imagine SRT or VVS or RD stooping down to such levels where they would use their state teams to achieve their goals in a private league.  Pathetic.

[ramshorns]

Getting back to the Ranji trophy action one has to see how well ZK has recovered.  6 overs is not enough which he has bowled thus far. At least 20 overs each in the 2 games he wants to play before the Aussie tour is what is needed at a minimum.  Hope he makes the right decision in the best interests of the team and drop out if there even a little doubt unlike on the tour of England.

[Cernunnos]

Rofl. Going off on a tangent on IPL (I don't give a damn about it) without answering the substantive part that 1. SG wasn't captain 2. Situation was dead as a dodo (just 20 overs to play out for official reasons) and captains tend to send tailenders to have a whack. This tangential response is only expected from an inveterate hater.

And it looks like someone himself is imagining things. Laxman was announced captain on Nov 24th when the test match was ongoing (http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-11-24/ranji-trophy/30437098_1_ahmed-quadri-n-arjun-yadav-shashank-nag
), obviously he was in the loop and thus misled his state board that he would play. As I said, I had no quarrel if he told the HCA straight up look I need to take rest before Aussie series. But he strung them along, and then stood them up, and all along getting media mileage as a saviour of Hyderabad without playing a single match for them!

We can see who is deflecting and has double standards - when VVS has a niggle it's unquestionably true, when SG has a niggle he's faking it. As for reasons for playing domestic, this IPL/T20 virus has been injected by the Western Union and I do not deny that the gangrene has spread to all players - including Ganguly and VVS who by the way can't miss an IPL game for his life, forget 'niggles'. But the fact is, international stars  give a tremendous boost to young players by their mere presence. Since 2007 SRT has played only 2 Ranji games, but played some stupid T20 tournament even with an injury. SG's playing Ranji has had a serendipitous benefit for the domestic scene.

[feverpitch]

LOL again@ Ganguly doing his bit for the domestic cricket.  He is one of the biggest culprits when he was playing for India skipping matches when he should have been working on his game which was one of the reasons he got the royal boot when Chappell took over the reigns since he was not up to the mark at the time.

Even here the reason Ganguly wanted to show up for Ranji is his for his selfish gains and not in any way shape or form to help the Bengal team. (Like an idiot he said it in public that he will use Ranji to get ready for IPL).

Speaking of nepotism does it get any worse than a former captain trying to use his state team for his personal gains - I think not.

It is such a shame CAB and Dalmiya are entertaining this when a cricketer that said he is announcing his retirement from the FC game comes back only for his personal gains and they let it happen.

CAB tera baap ka sampatti hai kya?

Do you even have one or are you still running around to get the DNA results?

You wouldn't say this after speaking to your mother, considering the many ways I did her before you were born.

come on dude, do you really have to do this here? and dont say you are reacting because you brought in the Baap angle into this. On one thready you come across as an intelligent, articulate intellectually capable dude and on another you act like a 12 year old.

Check out how Rambha has been consistently trying to inflame passions by his gutter talk about Ganguly, CAB, cricket in Bengal, what not.

Truth hurts.  Your Ganguly’s selfish deeds are well documented.  Run-ins with coaches (GC, JB and JW) and making dressing rooms conversations public are well documented.  Now he openly comes out and says he wants to use Bengal cricket as his platform to get ready for the IPL like an idiot and what are we neutral fans suppose to say sing praises like lunatics like you even when he is being a jack ass.

Your post-menopausal hysterics started long before... and so, can be concluded to have little to do with Ganguly's current activities. And I can't recall anyone praising him for his latest decision, so I can't any problem there either. Except for some people pointing out to you that it was CAB who requested him to play as a captain, as Tiwary and Saha were unavailable. As for as I can see, he has done what every son of the soil should do—help his state and the team he played for. It's the CAB's decision and his. I disagree with that personally, and think he should have retired sometime ago, but I havent played any sport at the highest level, so I won't know how hard it is to leave. About his expression of desire to use Ranji to prepare for IPL, I think it is a stupid comment simply because of jack asses out there like you, but personally find it honest. I guess he's using IPL as motivation to play in Ranji—fine. I detest IPL, but if that's what he chooses, so be it.

But you don't bother to read all of the above. Start doing your tribal dance and take care to drag the thread, and this DG down the gutter.

[feverpitch]

dude CAB is an institution and we all have our opinions of various institutions be it the CAb, the HCA the BCCI or the bloody election commission. If rams starts criticizing it you can counter it. Why bring his father into it? thats where the topic goes into the gutter. I am sure you have the mental ability to counter criticize without getting personal. we argued on the FDi thread without getting personal did we not ( unless you consider my offer to buy you a ticket to a place as a personal affront. I am assuming you do not).

Dude, the problem is that what Rambha did here is not a one-off, as you'll surely know. For the last maybe 6-7 years, like a scratched record, she has had but one refrain: Ganguly is dishonest/bad/what not. For all I know, he (Ganguly) may be all that and more. Does that give Mango Dolly the right to go on and trash practically every thread, sometimes not even related to cricket, with her personal hatred for SCG?

In fact, considering that most of her filth is unproven and baseless allegations fermented inside her depraved imagination, why should the character-assassination of a public figure, who also happens to be one of India's greatest  cricketers and captains, even be allowed here? Shouldn't action be taken against that?

Not a chance.  This is a related thread about Ranji and Ganguly is appearing in it using CAB as his fiefdom after he announced he is retiring from the FC game to get ready for the IPL where no one even wants him but begged his way in which he is no good at anyway.  If he can be a damn fool which he is to provide fodder to people they sure will take him to task.  So this is not a character assassination as you myopics seem to think but a valid criticism.

Can you prove that ganguly begged his way into the team? If not, that's proof of character assassination. Will you leave this DG if you can't prove that Sourav Ganguly begged his way into the Bengal Ranji team?