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Re: WI in India - 2011 - Test Series
« Reply #200 on: November 26, 2011, 10:55:12 AM »
looks like WI had had enough of Test batting!

Surely you weren't talking about the East Indies batsmen, were you?
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Re: WI in India - 2011 - Test Series
« Reply #201 on: November 26, 2011, 11:22:17 AM »
Ashwin for all his worth is effing wimp- a victory turned to a draw by this dickless moron-- yeah his new wife will be thrilled now....
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Re: WI in India - 2011 - Test Series
« Reply #202 on: November 26, 2011, 11:23:22 AM »
goddamnit!!
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Re: WI in India - 2011 - Test Series
« Reply #203 on: November 26, 2011, 11:23:39 AM »
draw with scores level!
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Re: WI in India - 2011 - Test Series
« Reply #204 on: November 26, 2011, 11:26:46 AM »
I guess the Indian captain can take positives out of this: we are improving. In 1999, when the last batsmen left us 16 behind, we lost. Now we draw with scores level.

Why did they not decide beforehand to run two no matter what?
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Re: WI in India - 2011 - Test Series
« Reply #205 on: November 26, 2011, 11:55:52 AM »
bye bye whitewash.

excellent performance today by WI but some really poor catching by VVS and Dravid!
dude we aren't playing the South africans or the australian side here. This pitch will spin right round in the second innings and the west indian side is capable of collapsing like a fat-man running a marathon.

Gun!!   :icon_thumleft: :icon_thumleft:
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Re: WI in India - 2011 - Test Series
« Reply #206 on: November 26, 2011, 11:57:42 AM »
Although it was heartbreaking to see what Ashwin did or did not do I wonder what happened to those top order batsmen,in particular SRT and Dhoni. They could have added one or two more runs to the tally. Of course, a winning boundary would have added another feather to Ashwin's crown.
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Re: WI in India - 2011 - Test Series
« Reply #207 on: November 26, 2011, 12:04:16 PM »
I am afraid Ashwin did a Pollock here. What was the logic of defending the second last ball? And yes he should have gone for broke on the last ball, he could have made it back. Hate to see a 100 and 9-fer not go for a winning cause.

That said, kudos to the Windies for fighting back after that foolish collapse. Look at the batting West Indian bowlers were up against - Sehwag, Gambhir, Dravid, SRT, Laxman, Dhoni, and their main spinner was bowling on one leg and their leading wicket-taker wasn't able to bowl. Our bowlers had to contend with 22 years old lads.

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Re: WI in India - 2011 - Test Series
« Reply #208 on: November 26, 2011, 12:27:27 PM »
bye bye whitewash.

excellent performance today by WI but some really poor catching by VVS and Dravid!
dude we aren't playing the South africans or the australian side here. This pitch will spin right round in the second innings and the west indian side is capable of collapsing like a fat-man running a marathon.

Gun!!   :icon_thumleft: :icon_thumleft:
Now if only you would have the decency of replying to Personal Messages.
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Re: WI in India - 2011 - Test Series
« Reply #209 on: November 26, 2011, 01:10:44 PM »
bye bye whitewash.

excellent performance today by WI but some really poor catching by VVS and Dravid!
dude we aren't playing the South africans or the australian side here. This pitch will spin right round in the second innings and the west indian side is capable of collapsing like a fat-man running a marathon.

Gun!!   :icon_thumleft: :icon_thumleft:


a very un-kbanish post :D
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Re: WI in India - 2011 - Test Series
« Reply #210 on: November 26, 2011, 02:03:48 PM »
lovely match, had pass, did not go   ;D
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Re: WI in India - 2011 - Test Series
« Reply #211 on: November 26, 2011, 02:15:29 PM »
I am afraid Ashwin did a Pollock here. What was the logic of defending the second last ball? And yes he should have gone for broke on the last ball, he could have made it back. Hate to see a 100 and 9-fer not go for a winning cause.

On watching the highlights, I feel that Ashwin couldn't have done much more on the final ball. WI were lucky to have kept their nerve on that and thrown the ball on the right end - they missed so many run-out opportunities earlier. Overall, a fair result.
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Re: WI in India - 2011 - Test Series
« Reply #212 on: November 26, 2011, 02:17:17 PM »
For those who missed the 5th day's play, here is the summary: Sachin misses ton again, Bollywood heartbroken.
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Re: WI in India - 2011 - Test Series
« Reply #213 on: November 26, 2011, 04:53:07 PM »
Ashwin for all his worth is effing wimp- a victory turned to a draw by this dickless moron-- yeah his new wife will be thrilled now....
Seriously??  No way he could have completed two.

Spare a thought for Kohli, he almost did a VVS. IMO the 3(7) and the 13(37) should get the major portion of the blame.

Good bowling from Rampaul too. In short a great day of Cricket.


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Re: WI in India - 2011 - Test Series
« Reply #214 on: November 26, 2011, 06:14:23 PM »
He could not have completed two if the WI reacted well. But we had nothing to lose, so it should have been a given that he
would try rights away. Maybe a clearer attempt could cause some nerves to miss, and we win. Maybe nothing would change and we would not lose anything.
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Re: WI in India - 2011 - Test Series
« Reply #215 on: November 26, 2011, 06:18:40 PM »
Ridiculous demand by Dhoni that pitches should turn from Day 1, which go along with Ashwin being "cheated" by the pitch. Spinners got enough assistance from the pitch in the second innings. Pace bowlers also need to bend their backs, we saw Rampaul, Yadav even Sammy get decent averages on these pitches.

Btw, I have never heard Dhoni say a few good words about the opposition in his post match speeches. His comment that the cricket was "boring" in the first 4 days was totally uncalled for.


I want pitches to turn from first day - Dhoni

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-west-indies-2011/content/story/542236.html

After a stirring final day's play in Mumbai during which 17 wickets fell, 14 of which were bagged by spinners from both sides, India captain MS Dhoni has asked for Test pitches across the country that will take the kind of turn witnessed today at the Wankhede right from day one. Such pitches, he said, could only ensure better quality contests and make the toss less relevant.

"What I would like to see [in Tests in India], played out on fifth-day wicket [in Mumbai]; I want the pitches to turn from the very first day," Dhoni said, expressing surprise at the ample turn and bounce offered on the final day. "It sets off a bit of panic in the opposition's dressing room and, at the same time, you [India] are under pressure to perform as well. That what makes it interesting."

In contrast to the first four days when 1153 runs were scored for the fall of 22 wickets, the final day's play witnessed the same ebb and flow all great Test matches became memorable for. A combination of expert spin bowling from Pragyan Ojha and R Ashwin and senseless batting from West Indies' middle order resulted in a collapse in which eight wickets went down for just 53 runs. A target of 243 from a maximum of 64 overs was never out of reach for India, especially with Virender Sehwag in the ranks.

Sehwag, aided by three lives, set the tempo and by the time he departed India were in a comfortable position. However, with the pitch taking ample turn, Marlon Samuels bowled his off breaks in a marathon 25-over spell from the North Stand end, while Devendra Bishoo bowled tight lines from the Pavilion End, hardly giving any free hits. Subsequently, from a position of authority, India were forced to concede control to the visitors, who kept their wits intact all through. Off the final over, India needed three runs, West Indies two wickets. Eventually India got two runs off a fabulous Fidel Edwards over, in which he stuck to a straight line.

"Frankly, I really don't what happened [to the pitch]. It started to turn in the morning," Dhoni said. "Till yesterday, everything was fine. It was among the flattest of wickets. Something happened in the morning and it started to turn. Most people thought it will be a draw, but it turned into a close game."

On flat pitches, like the ones on offer in Delhi and Kolkata, and for the first four days at the Wankhede, a team that loses the toss cannot do much to run through the opposition, Dhoni said. "I think if you see the first three or four days [in Mumbai], losing the toss doesn't really help. I don't know when was the last time we played on a wicket that was really turning square [from day one].

"The last time [it came close to an outright turner] was when we played at CCI [Brabourne Stadium, against Sri Lanka in 2009]. Then it was turning, but that was in the morning session. There was bounce also for the spinners, but as the game progressed there was not much even there. I am hoping that we [Indian grounds] stick to our kind of wickets that turn from the first day, which doesn't make the toss very important."

Darren Sammy, West Indies' captain, said he was not as surprised by the different nature of the pitch today. "It did bounce and turn more than on all the previous four days, but it was nothing that we shouldn't have been able to handle," Sammy said.
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Re: WI in India - 2011 - Test Series
« Reply #216 on: November 26, 2011, 06:29:29 PM »
He could not have completed two if the WI reacted well. But we had nothing to lose, so it should have been a given that he
would try rights away. Maybe a clearer attempt could cause some nerves to miss, and we win. Maybe nothing would change and we would not lose anything.

Actually one could say WI choked more. In Rampaul's over there were two near run outs. 3rd ball in Fidel's over missed Aaron's leg stump by a whisker. Again 4th ball Samuels should have easily run out Aaron and also saved a run. It was late in the evening and Fidel was bowling 140+. 
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Re: WI in India - 2011 - Test Series
« Reply #217 on: November 26, 2011, 06:41:46 PM »
Interestingly, the next closest draw in test match cricket was also between India and West Indies at Mumbai, where India fell short of what could have been our first test victory by 6 runs, and WI needed 2 wickets!

This was 62 years ago..

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/62694.html
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Re: WI in India - 2011 - Test Series
« Reply #218 on: November 26, 2011, 08:20:49 PM »
He could not have completed two if the WI reacted well. But we had nothing to lose, so it should have been a given that he
would try rights away. Maybe a clearer attempt could cause some nerves to miss, and we win. Maybe nothing would change and we would not lose anything.

Actually one could say WI choked more. In Rampaul's over there were two near run outs. 3rd ball in Fidel's over missed Aaron's leg stump by a whisker. Again 4th ball Samuels should have easily run out Aaron and also saved a run. It was late in the evening and Fidel was bowling 140+.
Yes. All the more reason to push. Maybe they would choke.
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Re: WI in India - 2011 - Test Series
« Reply #219 on: November 26, 2011, 10:01:17 PM »
Ashwin for all his worth is effing wimp- a victory turned to a draw by this dickless moron-- yeah his new wife will be thrilled now....
Seriously??  No way he could have completed two.

Spare a thought for Kohli, he almost did a VVS. IMO the 3(7) and the 13(37) should get the major portion of the blame.

Good bowling from Rampaul too. In short a great day of Cricket.
Bingo. The "dickless moron" showed more balls than the 15k run man, the 13k run man, the 8500 run man etc. We wouldn't even be in this game if it wasn't for Ashwin's contribution. We would be following on and going towards for defeat. From India's stand point, if there was disappointment, it was that this high powered batting line up left it to a couple of tailenders to finish something they should have completed to begin with. Also, give credit to WI fielding effort and Sammy's field placings. India could learn a thing or two about how to support their bowlers from this bunch. At least we should see some of that in our ODI sides where the teams tend to be younger...
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Re: WI in India - 2011 - Test Series
« Reply #220 on: November 27, 2011, 02:51:41 AM »
Ashwin for all his worth is effing wimp- a victory turned to a draw by this dickless moron-- yeah his new wife will be thrilled now....
Seriously??  No way he could have completed two.

Spare a thought for Kohli, he almost did a VVS. IMO the 3(7) and the 13(37) should get the major portion of the blame.

Good bowling from Rampaul too. In short a great day of Cricket.
Bingo. The "dickless moron" showed more balls than the 15k run man, the 13k run man, the 8500 run man etc. We wouldn't even be in this game if it wasn't for Ashwin's contribution. We would be following on and going towards for defeat. From India's stand point, if there was disappointment, it was that this high powered batting line up left it to a couple of tailenders to finish something they should have completed to begin with. Also, give credit to WI fielding effort and Sammy's field placings. India could learn a thing or two about how to support their bowlers from this bunch. At least we should see some of that in our ODI sides where the teams tend to be younger...
First of all when two was all it required to win a test match, there was no reason to defend the penultimate ball, secondly there was no reason to play a proper ground stroke on the last ball of the blessed test match and lastly, the run was there so was there a chance to be run out, it takes guts to try and make it two, even the throw on which he got run out was a one that reached the keeper on the bounce i.e. the distance was far enough for him to make a go of it.

Lets not justify because he is a cricketer that belongs to the region or location where one comes from or even the current flavour of the month. I can tell you this much any one else from Dhoni to PV to Raina to even Ishant Sharma would've given it a fair shot at winning.

These "tair sadam" varieties will always favour caution over outright win's and that was not what was called for yesterday.

In that one act Ashwin has shown two things

1. He is not a man for tight finishes
2. He can never captain this or any side ever since he does not believe in winning - he is from the old school where competing honourably and losing is preferred over a win at all costs...
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Re: WI in India - 2011 - Test Series
« Reply #221 on: November 27, 2011, 03:03:09 AM »

The Indian team and support staff with the trophy, India v West Indies, 3rd Test, Mumbai, 5th day, November 26, 2011
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Re: WI in India - 2011 - Test Series
« Reply #222 on: November 27, 2011, 03:48:23 AM »
Sudzz- Couple of points.

1. There was absolute logic in defending the penultimate ball. If he got out and Ojha followed- the arm chair critic would have held him responsible for an Indian defeat.
2. You say Dhoni would have done a better job. I sure hope so. He is a specialist batsman and Ashwin is a tailender. Having said that, what was Dhoni's contribution in this match? Why wasn't the guy able to hang on until the end?
Why couldn't he and the other specialist batsmen handle this bowling attack and not expose the tail to begin with? Ashwin punched in way over expectations in this match. His first inning century (that India had not right to expect) got us out of follow on mode and changed the trajectory of the game. And then after that, his bowling (along with Ojha's) brought the match alive. Finally, as icing on the cake- the tailender bat did not give up trying to win the match at the end. This guy needs to be nurtured. He could turn out to be a special find for India for a while to come. I say this even though I expect that he will have tougher times ahead when we play stronger teams like Oz going forward. He needs to be persevered with, as he develops match toughness. The region where he comes from is irrelevant.
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Re: WI in India - 2011 - Test Series
« Reply #223 on: November 27, 2011, 09:02:55 AM »
Ashwin for all his worth is effing wimp- a victory turned to a draw by this dickless moron-- yeah his new wife will be thrilled now....
Seriously??  No way he could have completed two.

Spare a thought for Kohli, he almost did a VVS. IMO the 3(7) and the 13(37) should get the major portion of the blame.

Good bowling from Rampaul too. In short a great day of Cricket.
Bingo. The "dickless moron" showed more balls than the 15k run man, the 13k run man, the 8500 run man etc. We wouldn't even be in this game if it wasn't for Ashwin's contribution. We would be following on and going towards for defeat. From India's stand point, if there was disappointment, it was that this high powered batting line up left it to a couple of tailenders to finish something they should have completed to begin with. Also, give credit to WI fielding effort and Sammy's field placings. India could learn a thing or two about how to support their bowlers from this bunch. At least we should see some of that in our ODI sides where the teams tend to be younger...
First of all when two was all it required to win a test match, there was no reason to defend the penultimate ball, secondly there was no reason to play a proper ground stroke on the last ball of the blessed test match and lastly, the run was there so was there a chance to be run out, it takes guts to try and make it two, even the throw on which he got run out was a one that reached the keeper on the bounce i.e. the distance was far enough for him to make a go of it.

Lets not justify because he is a cricketer that belongs to the region or location where one comes from or even the current flavour of the month. I can tell you this much any one else from Dhoni to PV to Raina to even Ishant Sharma would've given it a fair shot at winning.

These "tair sadam" varieties will always favour caution over outright win's and that was not what was called for yesterday.

In that one act Ashwin has shown two things

1. He is not a man for tight finishes
2. He can never captain this or any side ever since he does not believe in winning - he is from the old school where competing honourably and losing is preferred over a win at all costs...

Dude as a marketing moderator, making statements like "tair Sadam" seems a bit parochial no?
Not a man for tight finishes? surely you say this in jest. he has shown he can finish off games in the past. I would prefer a captain who plays honorably and loses. I dont think you can have one or the other. it is possible to win honorably as well.
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Re: WI in India - 2011 - Test Series
« Reply #224 on: November 27, 2011, 10:32:48 AM »
dickless moron nearly won you the match with the bat when no one else was contributing. he stayed so calm right until the last over! and then (mind you he's not a batsman) he was given the task of scoring 2 in 2, in almost darkness, against a fast bowler bowling at over 145 kph and reversing it. and he had to take care of a debutant at the other end, keeping in mind only 2 wickets were in hand.

this is an impossible situation and you cant blame him for making a wrong decision (he said after the match that he was looking to defend the penultimate ball and then go after the last one). it is even debatable if that decision is in fact wrong.


sudzz btw im in abu dhabi these days. give a call!


overall im happy with the match result. after two and four fifths of the series was mind numbingly boring, at least there was finally one day of cricket to delight in.

and thank god the series was not on the line on that day because that would be terrifying!

2-0 , 3-0 doesnt make a difference to me really. we won the series comprehensively and the rest is just numbers (like sachin's 100). at least there was some good cricket on display so that i didnt feel like turning off the India match and watching SA-Aus instead!
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Re: WI in India - 2011 - Test Series
« Reply #225 on: November 27, 2011, 05:31:20 PM »
dickless moron nearly won you the match with the bat when no one else was contributing. he stayed so calm right until the last over! and then (mind you he's not a batsman) he was given the task of scoring 2 in 2, in almost darkness, against a fast bowler bowling at over 145 kph and reversing it. and he had to take care of a debutant at the other end, keeping in mind only 2 wickets were in hand.

this is an impossible situation and you cant blame him for making a wrong decision (he said after the match that he was looking to defend the penultimate ball and then go after the last one). it is even debatable if that decision is in fact wrong.


sudzz btw im in abu dhabi these days. give a call!- Dude I'am in Dubai these days but will call tomorrow in any case been a while we should catch up


overall im happy with the match result. after two and four fifths of the series was mind numbingly boring, at least there was finally one day of cricket to delight in.

and thank god the series was not on the line on that day because that would be terrifying!

2-0 , 3-0 doesnt make a difference to me really. we won the series comprehensively and the rest is just numbers (like sachin's 100). at least there was some good cricket on display so that i didnt feel like turning off the India match and watching SA-Aus instead!
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Re: WI in India - 2011 - Test Series
« Reply #226 on: December 08, 2011, 07:15:35 PM »
http://www.espncricinfo.com/page2/content/story/544072.html

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3. Ashwin hates Dumb Charades
For those who are unfamiliar, Dumb Charades is a game where contestants must mime the names of movies (such as Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban) and books (such as Saving Private Ryan - The Book) to their team-mates (such as Anita and Gopinath), who must then guess it within a stipulated time (such as two minutes). Dumb Charades is especially popular in Indian schools and colleges.

In 2006, Ashwin and his friend Gaurav Singhal reached the finals of the All Chennai Inter-College Anna Dravida Dumb Charades Competition. To lift the trophy, all Ashwin had to do was guess one final movie. Gaurav, an expert mime artist, easily mimed the first two words of the three-word title: "Run Lola..." Everyone assumed Ashwin would guess the third easily.

Instead what followed were 30 seconds of horror as Ashwin guessed one wrong title after the other: Run Lola Again, Run Lola Kutty, Run Lola Refrigerator, Run Lola Middle Finger, Run Lola Van der Waal's Force and so on. Eventually they lost and ended in second place. He has never played wretched Dumb Charades since.

Ashwin is defiant about the loss to this day: "Machaan, I genuinely didn't think there was a second Run in it..."

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Re: WI in India - 2011 - Test Series
« Reply #227 on: December 09, 2011, 01:08:06 AM »
http://www.espncricinfo.com/page2/content/story/544072.html

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3. Ashwin hates Dumb Charades
For those who are unfamiliar, Dumb Charades is a game where contestants must mime the names of movies (such as Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban) and books (such as Saving Private Ryan - The Book) to their team-mates (such as Anita and Gopinath), who must then guess it within a stipulated time (such as two minutes). Dumb Charades is especially popular in Indian schools and colleges.

In 2006, Ashwin and his friend Gaurav Singhal reached the finals of the All Chennai Inter-College Anna Dravida Dumb Charades Competition. To lift the trophy, all Ashwin had to do was guess one final movie. Gaurav, an expert mime artist, easily mimed the first two words of the three-word title: "Run Lola..." Everyone assumed Ashwin would guess the third easily.

Instead what followed were 30 seconds of horror as Ashwin guessed one wrong title after the other: Run Lola Again, Run Lola Kutty, Run Lola Refrigerator, Run Lola Middle Finger, Run Lola Van der Waal's Force and so on. Eventually they lost and ended in second place. He has never played wretched Dumb Charades since.

Ashwin is defiant about the loss to this day: "Machaan, I genuinely didn't think there was a second Run in it..."

 ;D  ;D


most brilliant  ;D ;D
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