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[Blwe_torch]

Gambhir injured once again.

It will be Rahul Dravid opening time.

And Laxman sent to face the music against a swinging ball. Even in a dead rubber test, SRT won't budge from the peacock throne of #4.

Once again........when will Dhoni learn?!

[Cernunnos]

Gambhir injured once again.

It will be Rahul Dravid opening time.

And Laxman sent to face the music against a swinging ball. Even in a dead rubber test, SRT won't budge from the peacock throne of #4.

Once again........when will Dhoni learn?!

I think there is something deeply troubling in the team. Won't be surprised if some dirt comes out.

[Blwe_torch]

Gambhir injured once again.

It will be Rahul Dravid opening time.

And Laxman sent to face the music against a swinging ball. Even in a dead rubber test, SRT won't budge from the peacock throne of #4.

Once again........when will Dhoni learn?!

I think there is something deeply troubling in the team. Won't be surprised if some dirt comes out.

Yes....the team seems to be on auto-pilot.
The convolution is happening with such predictable regularity.
This coach is not gelling with the team, it seems.........they are missing Kirsten for sure.

[Cernunnos]

Gambhir injured once again.

It will be Rahul Dravid opening time.

And Laxman sent to face the music against a swinging ball. Even in a dead rubber test, SRT won't budge from the peacock throne of #4.

Once again........when will Dhoni learn?!

I think there is something deeply troubling in the team. Won't be surprised if some dirt comes out.

Yes....the team seems to be on auto-pilot.
The convolution is happening with such predictable regularity.
This coach is not gelling with the team, it seems.........they are missing Kirsten for sure.

Harbhajan & Yuvraj flies back on the pretext of injury. Now Gambhir decides to go for a scan more than 24 hours later. 

Why was RP Singh called when Abhimanyu Mithun played in WI?
 

[Blwe_torch]

Gambhir injured once again.

It will be Rahul Dravid opening time.

And Laxman sent to face the music against a swinging ball. Even in a dead rubber test, SRT won't budge from the peacock throne of #4.

Once again........when will Dhoni learn?!

I think there is something deeply troubling in the team. Won't be surprised if some dirt comes out.

Yes....the team seems to be on auto-pilot.
The convolution is happening with such predictable regularity.
This coach is not gelling with the team, it seems.........they are missing Kirsten for sure.

Harbhajan & Yuvraj flies back on the pretext of injury. Now Gambhir decides to go for a scan more than 24 hours later. 

Why was RP Singh called when Abhimanyu Mithun played in WI?

The selectors too seem clue-less.....are they missing Kirsten's inputs too?

[dextrous]

why is gambhir not opening...is he injured?

[RicePlateReddy]

Which is the most lame?

1. Laxman against the swinging ball.
2. Tendulkar staying put in position number 4 when Rome has already burnt down.
3. Dhoni doing nothing about the above 2.

Might as well add to it:

4. Dhoni's keeping
5. Indian fielding
6. Mishra's bowling
7. Duncan Fletcher's proportions
8. R. P. Singh's batting

[Blwe_torch]

look...the procession has started!

[Blwe_torch]

Nice fifty by RD!
So far, the innings is progressing on a predictable pattern.....

[ruchir]

Which is the most lame?

1. Laxman against the swinging ball.
2. Tendulkar staying put in position number 4 when Rome has already burnt down.
3. Dhoni doing nothing about the above 2.

1. At his age, VVS ain't gonna 'learn' how to bat against swinging ball. You don't teach a batsman, about to retire, how to bat.

2. Unfortunately, with time the legend of SRT has become bigger than the captain.

3. Ain't there nohing MSD can do about the above. He can't teach VVS how to bat and he can't force SRT to change his position, unless SRT wants to. Fletcher is too new to force a decision.

[Blwe_torch]

bad decision imo against Raina.
He should have got the b.o.d!

[Cover Point]

Cheating  gangulian pommie 3rd umpire gave Raina out when there was sufficient doubt.

India should call the game off in protest. Haven't they learnt from denness?

[Blwe_torch]

Cheating  gangulian pommie 3rd umpire gave Raina out when there was sufficient doubt.

India should call the game off in protest. Haven't they learnt from denness?

Very rarely I'd agree with a Ganguliated gangulian..

[Cernunnos]

Which is the most lame?

1. Laxman against the swinging ball.
2. Tendulkar staying put in position number 4 when Rome has already burnt down.
3. Dhoni doing nothing about the above 2.

1. At his age, VVS ain't gonna 'learn' how to bat against swinging ball. You don't teach a batsman, about to retire, how to bat.

He has to accept that he can't bat on seaming conditions. Batting #3 in England is not the same as batting #3 in India. Instead of being a walking wicket at #3, better to tell the captain to stick to the original batting order and not be shuffled about just because someone can't be bothered to budge from his position.

2. Unfortunately, with time the legend of SRT has become bigger than the captain.

3. Ain't there nohing MSD can do about the above. He can't teach VVS how to bat and he can't force SRT to change his position, unless SRT wants to. Fletcher is too new to force a decision.

MSD should shoulder the blame. There is a complete lack of passion and character, and all this stems from the listless captaincy. This is worse than the Australia '99 series. To give SRT credit, he resigned from captaincy after that.

[Blwe_torch]

Which is the most lame?

1. Laxman against the swinging ball.
2. Tendulkar staying put in position number 4 when Rome has already burnt down.
3. Dhoni doing nothing about the above 2.

1. At his age, VVS ain't gonna 'learn' how to bat against swinging ball. You don't teach a batsman, about to retire, how to bat.

He has to accept that he can't bat on seaming conditions. Batting #3 in England is not the same as batting #3 in India. Instead of being a walking wicket at #3, better to tell the captain to stick to the original batting order and not be shuffled about just because someone can't be bothered to budge from his position.

2. Unfortunately, with time the legend of SRT has become bigger than the captain.

3. Ain't there nohing MSD can do about the above. He can't teach VVS how to bat and he can't force SRT to change his position, unless SRT wants to. Fletcher is too new to force a decision.

MSD should shoulder the blame. There is a complete lack of passion and character, and all this stems from the listless captaincy. This is worse than the Australia '99 series. To give SRT credit, he resigned from captaincy after that.

And SRT was aware that he had home-bred match-fixers in his team....

[dextrous]

cannot even watch this...this is worse than any indian team i have seen since early 90s...a bit like that australian tour...but even there there were some high points....not here. not one positive!!!

[dhruvdeepak]

at 235 and 545 for 6 what is Sir Raina happy about I wonder? 

he has sealed his place as allrounder

[dhruvdeepak]

i gotta say - pommie crowds are just awesome. i went and watched liverpool-arsenal....chanting for the whole 90 minutes.

and back at the Test the crowds were super awesome. we were inventing chants (in jest and not offensive) against each other...about #1 status.

we (indian contingent) have replied "show us your (world) cups" amongst many other chants

raina looked not out on the replay?

[LosingNow]

cannot even watch this...this is worse than any indian team i have seen since early 90s...a bit like that australian tour...but even there there were some high points....not here. not one positive!!!

Seriously... due to extensive travel, i have not watched this series but I have not even felt like checking CI.

I am afraid, we are going to get pasted even in the ODIs

[RicePlateReddy]

cannot even watch this...this is worse than any indian team i have seen since early 90s...a bit like that australian tour...but even there there were some high points....not here. not one positive!!!

Seriously... due to extensive travel, i have not watched this series but I have not even felt like checking CI.

I am afraid, we are going to get pasted even in the ODIs

Since this has degenerated into a way-beyond-embarrassing, total farce from an Indian supporter perspective, how about introducing some finer, very rarely debated discussion points about cricket:

From: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/interviews/Chappell-spoiled-my-career-Ganguly/articleshow/9678091.cms

Chappell spoiled my career: Ganguly


NEW DELHI: Sourav Ganguly has said that former India coach Greg Chappell spoiled his career.

Blaming Chappell's 'backroom politics' for effectively ruining his career, the former India captain told a Mumbai daily in London, "How many more times will such things (controversies) happen? He spoilt my career."

   Chappell's name has come into the limelight again now after he was sacked from Australia's selection panel. 

"Now, people will know who was right and who was wrong. He's such a big cricketer... a big name... it's very unfortunate," he told the daily. 

[LosingNow]

cannot even watch this...this is worse than any indian team i have seen since early 90s...a bit like that australian tour...but even there there were some high points....not here. not one positive!!!

Seriously... due to extensive travel, i have not watched this series but I have not even felt like checking CI.

I am afraid, we are going to get pasted even in the ODIs

Since this has degenerated into a way-beyond-embarrassing, total farce from an Indian supporter perspective, how about introducing some finer, very rarely debated discussion points about cricket:

From: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/interviews/Chappell-spoiled-my-career-Ganguly/articleshow/9678091.cms

Chappell spoiled my career: Ganguly


NEW DELHI: Sourav Ganguly has said that former India coach Greg Chappell spoiled his career.

Blaming Chappell's 'backroom politics' for effectively ruining his career, the former India captain told a Mumbai daily in London, "How many more times will such things (controversies) happen? He spoilt my career."

   Chappell's name has come into the limelight again now after he was sacked from Australia's selection panel. 

"Now, people will know who was right and who was wrong. He's such a big cricketer... a big name... it's very unfortunate," he told the daily. 

OR if must go back to old times... why not enjoy the great Shammi Kapoor at his naughtiest best.

http://youtu.be/beqTRIpoos8

[Blwe_torch]

cannot even watch this...this is worse than any indian team i have seen since early 90s...a bit like that australian tour...but even there there were some high points....not here. not one positive!!!

Seriously... due to extensive travel, i have not watched this series but I have not even felt like checking CI.

I am afraid, we are going to get pasted even in the ODIs

Since this has degenerated into a way-beyond-embarrassing, total farce from an Indian supporter perspective, how about introducing some finer, very rarely debated discussion points about cricket:

From: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/interviews/Chappell-spoiled-my-career-Ganguly/articleshow/9678091.cms

Chappell spoiled my career: Ganguly


NEW DELHI: Sourav Ganguly has said that former India coach Greg Chappell spoiled his career.

Blaming Chappell's 'backroom politics' for effectively ruining his career, the former India captain told a Mumbai daily in London, "How many more times will such things (controversies) happen? He spoilt my career."

   Chappell's name has come into the limelight again now after he was sacked from Australia's selection panel. 

"Now, people will know who was right and who was wrong. He's such a big cricketer... a big name... it's very unfortunate," he told the daily. 

Yes, I was reading the Anandabazar link, given by cricinfo, in the other thread. He did say that to the journalist Gautam Bhattacharya...........and he is not wrong.
The controversy that Chappel helped create around SG, really did set-back his career. It was only Ganguly, who could afford to come back from that low point.

[Cover Point]

cannot even watch this...this is worse than any indian team i have seen since early 90s...a bit like that australian tour...but even there there were some high points....not here. not one positive!!!

Seriously... due to extensive travel, i have not watched this series but I have not even felt like checking CI.

I am afraid, we are going to get pasted even in the ODIs

Since this has degenerated into a way-beyond-embarrassing, total farce from an Indian supporter perspective, how about introducing some finer, very rarely debated discussion points about cricket:

From: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/interviews/Chappell-spoiled-my-career-Ganguly/articleshow/9678091.cms

Chappell spoiled my career: Ganguly


NEW DELHI: Sourav Ganguly has said that former India coach Greg Chappell spoiled his career.

Blaming Chappell's 'backroom politics' for effectively ruining his career, the former India captain told a Mumbai daily in London, "How many more times will such things (controversies) happen? He spoilt my career."

   Chappell's name has come into the limelight again now after he was sacked from Australia's selection panel. 

"Now, people will know who was right and who was wrong. He's such a big cricketer... a big name... it's very unfortunate," he told the daily. 

Yes, I was reading the Anandabazar link, given by cricinfo, in the other thread. He did say that to the journalist Gautam Bhattacharya...........and he is not wrong.
The controversy that Chappel helped create around SG, really did set-back his career. It was only Ganguly, who could afford to come back from that low point.

Right. Until chapel came ganguly was lighting up the world with his batting specially in tests and against fast bowling. Gangulians want to rewrite history it seems. Sheesh

[achutank]

i personally feel Chapell has some behavioral disorder (serious)

maybe a trip to psychologist will help

[k-slice]

cannot even watch this...this is worse than any indian team i have seen since early 90s...a bit like that australian tour...but even there there were some high points....not here. not one positive!!!

Seriously... due to extensive travel, i have not watched this series but I have not even felt like checking CI.

I am afraid, we are going to get pasted even in the ODIs

Since this has degenerated into a way-beyond-embarrassing, total farce from an Indian supporter perspective, how about introducing some finer, very rarely debated discussion points about cricket:

From: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/interviews/Chappell-spoiled-my-career-Ganguly/articleshow/9678091.cms

Chappell spoiled my career: Ganguly


NEW DELHI: Sourav Ganguly has said that former India coach Greg Chappell spoiled his career.

Blaming Chappell's 'backroom politics' for effectively ruining his career, the former India captain told a Mumbai daily in London, "How many more times will such things (controversies) happen? He spoilt my career."

   Chappell's name has come into the limelight again now after he was sacked from Australia's selection panel. 

"Now, people will know who was right and who was wrong. He's such a big cricketer... a big name... it's very unfortunate," he told the daily. 

Yes, I was reading the Anandabazar link, given by cricinfo, in the other thread. He did say that to the journalist Gautam Bhattacharya...........and he is not wrong.
The controversy that Chappel helped create around SG, really did set-back his career. It was only Ganguly, who could afford to come back from that low point.

Right. Until chapel came ganguly was lighting up the world with his batting specially in tests and against fast bowling. Gangulians want to rewrite history it seems. Sheesh

He might not have been lighting up the world CP but you cannot deny that his partnership with Wright helped take indian cricket to a new direction. I personally believe he should have given up the captaincy and focussed on his batting. Ganguly aside, even RD was unable to do much with the team when GC was around. I think the problem was not with RD but with GC, who may have been a fine player, might be an excellent talent scout but has poor man management and inter-personal skills IMO. Had he managed the SG situation better, who knows? maybe SG's comeback of 2007 would have neve rbeen needed. surely there was some better way of kicking SG's ass without dropping him for that long?

[Blwe_torch]

I don't see our batting going anywhere from here....Sehwag was our one and only hope.
After him...it is just routine( with due respects to SRT) .........................Dravid's possible century notwithstanding.

Still now, things are on their predictable course...

[Cover Point]

cannot even watch this...this is worse than any indian team i have seen since early 90s...a bit like that australian tour...but even there there were some high points....not here. not one positive!!!

Seriously... due to extensive travel, i have not watched this series but I have not even felt like checking CI.

I am afraid, we are going to get pasted even in the ODIs

Since this has degenerated into a way-beyond-embarrassing, total farce from an Indian supporter perspective, how about introducing some finer, very rarely debated discussion points about cricket:

From: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/interviews/Chappell-spoiled-my-career-Ganguly/articleshow/9678091.cms

Chappell spoiled my career: Ganguly


NEW DELHI: Sourav Ganguly has said that former India coach Greg Chappell spoiled his career.

Blaming Chappell's 'backroom politics' for effectively ruining his career, the former India captain told a Mumbai daily in London, "How many more times will such things (controversies) happen? He spoilt my career."

   Chappell's name has come into the limelight again now after he was sacked from Australia's selection panel. 

"Now, people will know who was right and who was wrong. He's such a big cricketer... a big name... it's very unfortunate," he told the daily. 

Yes, I was reading the Anandabazar link, given by cricinfo, in the other thread. He did say that to the journalist Gautam Bhattacharya...........and he is not wrong.
The controversy that Chappel helped create around SG, really did set-back his career. It was only Ganguly, who could afford to come back from that low point.

Right. Until chapel came ganguly was lighting up the world with his batting specially in tests and against fast bowling. Gangulians want to rewrite history it seems. Sheesh

He might not have been lighting up the world CP but you cannot deny that his partnership with Wright helped take indian cricket to a new direction. I personally believe he should have given up the captaincy and focussed on his batting. Ganguly aside, even RD was unable to do much with the team when GC was around. I think the problem was not with RD but with GC, who may have been a fine player, might be an excellent talent scout but has poor man management and inter-personal skills IMO. Had he managed the SG situation better, who knows? maybe SG's comeback of 2007 would have neve rbeen needed. surely there was some better way of kicking SG's ass without dropping him for that long?

There wasn't. We have had these discussions before. The fact was that ganguly was sticking to the team like a leach ! His contribution was almost negligible but no one could touch him due to his perceived power.

No one denies his role in bringing the team up after the crook azza. But that was years ago and by the time chappel came around ganguly had become a "bojh" on the team that had to be let go.

There was no way he was going to go in a dignified manner ( how much dignity is he showing in going from the ipl?)

Bottom line is that he had to be kicked out and chappel did the right thing in kicking him out then. His poor job in Aussie land does not give the gangulians the right to go back and revise this history!

[Blwe_torch]

What history?!
Ganguly's return in Potch was a slap on GC's face.......and the countdown for GC began then.
The climax was reached during the WC..........

[Blwe_torch]

In reference to SG........a player can lose his form, even for an extended period...and it often happens with the captain.
Instead of throwing him out of the team, in collusion with a stupid Chairman of selectors, and others..................the coach should have rehabilitated the player............just as Gary Kirsten did with Rahul Dravid.
But then the 'coach' was not really a coach. He was an ex-player masquerading as a coach and hence he blundered along...till he ultimately got the royal boot.
He falsely sold an utopian dream, where older players, particularly those who can talk up to him, are automatically redundant.
And then he conjured up a regimen of drums, boxes and tables for cricketers...in search of 'talent for tomorrow'...........with himself being the 'ring-master'.
I hope, back home he doesn't start 'coaching' his grandson...the poor lad may miss out on whatever he may achieve.

[ganavk]

I don't see our batting going anywhere from here....Sehwag was our one and only hope.
After him...it is just routine( with due respects to SRT) .........................Dravid's possible century notwithstanding.

Still now, things are on their predictable course...

Incorrect hope. There was nothing to hope on Sehwag especially in swinging condition against a bowling attack as good as this.

[Blwe_torch]

I don't see our batting going anywhere from here....Sehwag was our one and only hope.
After him...it is just routine( with due respects to SRT) .........................Dravid's possible century notwithstanding.

Still now, things are on their predictable course...

Incorrect hope. There was nothing to hope on Sehwag especially in swinging condition against a bowling attack as good as this.

Sehwag remains an anti-dote for all kinds of temporal cricketing problems...especially batting.
He is normally not too bothered about swing or seaming conditions...or bounce, etc. If he gets going.........India can conjure up the big totals with ease....just as England is doing now, in the same conditions
And India has done well under these very conditions in the past decade, on quite a few occasions.
This time, it seems mental fatigue has got over them.

[achutank]

meanwhile our favourite test cricketer is notching up the records

http://www.rediff.com/cricket/report/india-england-raina-longest-duck-indian-batsmen-oval/20110821.htm


Rediff.com  » Sports » Raina bags longest duck by Indian batsmen

Raina bags longest duck by Indian batsmen

Suresh Raina is in the news for all the wrong reasons. (wrong? what's so wrong about it. it takes great skill and mental stamina not to play a miscued shot to third man for 29 balls or run for a single just to get to the other end)

Under-pressure after aggregating only 105 runs in six innings of the previous three Tests against England [ Images ], Raina batted for 39 minutes and faced 29 balls before returning to the pavilion without opening his account.

He now shares the dubious distinction of recording the longest duck by an Indian batsman.

Irfan Pathan [ Images ] also has a 29-ball duck against his name, against Pakistan at Bangalore in 2004-05.

[achutank]

with Gambhir gone

follow-on looks inevitable

hope we can bat 4 sessions and draw the match and then win the ODI to restore some pride

[Blwe_torch]

with Gambhir gone

follow-on looks inevitable

hope we can bat 4 sessions and draw the match and then win the ODI to restore some pride

I hope RD scores another century in the 2nd innings too..

[achutank]

and sehwag lasts an over - that's great, that's what i call real opening batting

[Blwe_torch]

and sehwag lasts an over - that's great, that's what i call real opening batting

I hope Sehwag stays on.............................only he can make the difference..............otherwise, Dravid's centuries will end up for losing causes.

[ramshorns]

With the two greats VVS and SRT having an off series it is time for RD to step up in this series which he did with the bat and hope that saves the Test and avoid the 0-4 drubbing.  Everything that has to go wrong has gone wrong for India especially on the bowling front and add to that VVS and SRT having an off series.  And remember this is the same VVS who won us the Durban test in more difficult conditions than any of these four tests in swinging and seaming conditions against Steyn the world's best pace bowler.  Let us hope that SRT and VVS come to the party one last time and draw this one who through out in their careers have bailed India from much tougher situations.  A draw would be great here after such a gem from RD.  It will be a shame if we lose after that effort.  Hope VS, RD, VVS, SRT, GG, MSD, GG play this out and draw it at a minimum.

[Blwe_torch]

With the two greats VVS and SRT having an off series it is time for RD to step up in this series which he did with the bat and hope that saves the Test and avoid the 0-4 drubbing.  Everything that has to go wrong has gone wrong for India especially on the bowling front and add to that VVS and SRT having an off series.  And remember this is the same VVS who won us the Durban test in more difficult conditions than any of these four tests in swinging and seaming conditions against Steyn the world's best pace bowler.  Let us hope that SRT and VVS come to the party one last time and draw this one who through out in their careers have such bailed India from much tougher situations.  A draw would be great here after such a gem from RD.  It will be a shame if we lose after that effort.  Hope VS, RD, VVS, SRT, GG, MSD, GG play this out and draw it at a minimum.

You forgot another couple of greats, who are indisposed and doing service in the commentary box.

[Cernunnos]

I can't believe this. RD carries his bat, and then the team sends him to open again. Do these so-called greats know no shame?

[Blwe_torch]

I can't believe this. RD carries his bat, and then the team sends him to open again. Do these so-called greats know no shame?

He might have himself opted to do so...........otherwise Gambhir could have come in.