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[Blwe_torch]

Theoretically, everyone will be against corruption.
But, AH is trying to skirt the parliament and even the constitution.......to create a parallel channel, which is not necessary.
I am wondering, why doesn't he re-structure the CVC, though proper channel..........what is the need of this Lokpal?

Are you aware what else this guy has done before resorting to what he is doing now. If yes. Please enlightn the group.

Not really, unfortunately. All of us, in our own little way try to fight corruption and bureaucratic red-tape, as and when possible.
From rough experience, one can realize that one needs to have a very well-defined agenda and scope.
As far as I know, Anna Hazare's scope is not well-defined and rather open-ended, which makes a lay-person like me rather skeptical of the outcome.
Just one example.................his idea of covering all Govt. servants under his ambit is a bit far-fetched, if not totally out-landish.
How can he manage corruption complains of nearly 1.5 lakhs employees ( considering 1% of the total)?
How many ppl will he require to assist him in this job?
How many local offices will his team require and where?
Who will pay for the infrastructure and related man-power of those offices?
How can he ensure that no unscrupulous contractor makes inordinate profit out of those newly created offices/infrastructure?

That was just one example...........not to mention the unrealistic time-frame.
Everyone principally agrees that corruption needs to be curbed.
I too believe, despite all my skepticism, that his original draft bill should be debated and discussed in the Parliament......the Govt can do this at least, for the sake of the swelling support of the common ppl.
And I believe, he said that laws be formed in Parliament only and not in the maidans, where he is sitting on dharnas...........which is quite fair.

[12th_Man]

What has fighting in your own way done to stem out corruption from India? I am not saying JLB will make 0 corrupt Ind. I am saying it is a strong deterrant.
 You present one- Have govt pass it. I am with you.
My fight is against corruption. To have 0 corruption( I understand it is a separatediscussiMy fight is not against you or Kapil sibbal. Interstingly i have admired this cong govt. before she portrayed being spineless. Let me ask you this again. Prosecute all MP's and MLA's : How many you think have not made money on name of democracy. Do you want them to function? Or wait five years just to represent another representative who becomes corrupt the moment he/she sees Kuber Kosh. A strong deterrant is what that will save country. If you enjoy bribing- Please continue to do so. If not- Pls take a stand against it.
As per the time frame: are you even aware that your so called democracy has held this bill from over 40 yrs ? So as i said- Let us take our kids to soccer game, Bribefor them to get admissions in school and colleges and enjoy. We all like democracy after all. Does democracy not mean that people have free right to voice their opinion?

[Dayal Baba]

[teamindia]

haha.. good find Dayal Baba. Is it real? Which airport is this?

[dextrous]

haha, you can't make this stuff up!!!

[LosingNow]

WTF!

[Dayal Baba]

haha.. good find Dayal Baba. Is it real? Which airport is this?

it is real. next time when you queue up at the security in any airport in india, look for this list. a few years ago the chief of staffs were not on the list, but our own version of asif ali zardari was! oh i do not find it funny at all. this is another snub on our face that we are a gullible nation of impotents. similar to how we vote for 'garibi hatao' party for 60 years while we languish at #122 on human development. it is time to get a grip of the situation, and the first priority is to overthrow this dynasty (and their plants in the opposition parties).

[Blwe_torch]

What has fighting in your own way done to stem out corruption from India? I am not saying JLB will make 0 corrupt Ind. I am saying it is a strong deterrant.
 You present one- Have govt pass it. I am with you.
My fight is against corruption. To have 0 corruption( I understand it is a separatediscussiMy fight is not against you or Kapil sibbal. Interstingly i have admired this cong govt. before she portrayed being spineless. Let me ask you this again. Prosecute all MP's and MLA's : How many you think have not made money on name of democracy. Do you want them to function? Or wait five years just to represent another representative who becomes corrupt the moment he/she sees Kuber Kosh. A strong deterrant is what that will save country. If you enjoy bribing- Please continue to do so. If not- Pls take a stand against it.
As per the time frame: are you even aware that your so called democracy has held this bill from over 40 yrs ? So as i said- Let us take our kids to soccer game, Bribefor them to get admissions in school and colleges and enjoy. We all like democracy after all. Does democracy not mean that people have free right to voice their opinion?

I agree with you. Everyone principally agrees with the JLP bill for it's intent.
My only issue is the scope of implementation.
The AH team must not bite more than they can chew.

[RicePlateReddy]

WTF!

#30 is "SPG Protectees"

I wonder if we can have a list of these SPG Protectees.

[Blwe_torch]

that Robert Vadra thing is a real sucker blow.......
btw, an Anna joke is making the sms rounds....................it goes like, 'i miss those days when i used to type Anna...and google suggested Kournikova'!

[Dayal Baba]

WTF!

#30 is "SPG Protectees"

I wonder if we can have a list of these SPG Protectees.

spg proctee is self, children, parents and spouse of pm or former pm if a threat perception is present (i.e., the dynasty are permanent members)..... jamai not included... which is why his name was added separately.....

[achutank]

anna's arrest is not a bad day for democracy just for authority

[RicePlateReddy]

What a pathetic country. It is time the Dubai scum also have their asses kicked in a revolution.

http://www.emirates247.com/news/world/be-careful-how-you-support-anna-in-uae-indian-expats-warned-2011-08-23-1.414810

[vincent]

I think to this day Anna has done more to fight corruption than all the honest politicians and police officers put together. But he and his team need to come to a rational agreement with the government soon. If he achieves that he will deserve a Bharat Ratna as opposed to a Cricket Player.

[Cover Point]

What a pathetic country. It is time the Dubai scum also have their asses kicked in a revolution.

http://www.emirates247.com/news/world/be-careful-how-you-support-anna-in-uae-indian-expats-warned-2011-08-23-1.414810

there are a lot of people who tout the middle east to be  great and specifically call Dubai a great place to live. Indians have NO rights in that piece of * land and Dubai is no different to any other place in the middle east. Pathetic!

[vincent]

Salina Wali Khan will strip if government doesn’t pass Anna’s bill .........


   http://www.bollywoodaajtak.com/?p=32167

[feverpitch]

[sprite university of freshology]

Pehle khol ke dikhao, fir baatey karo...

[/sprite university of freshology]

Sab saale Poonam Pandey banney aaye hain...

[flute]

It is really beyond me how anyone can oppose Anna. A person who is able to galvanize a broad based  movement about one of the most pressing problems facing India.. A problem which basically threatens to throw away pretty much everything that's been achieved in last 100yra.. The cynicism, the depths of frustration...finally someone comes in to do something about it, what's the problem?

For God's sake, this guy wants a LAW to be passed by Indian parliament, he is not threatening to pass a law himself at Ramlila. So, what's the deal here, we don't support those who take up arms against state in frustration & we don't like peaceful non viokent protests against govt. , there should basically be no protests at all except elections?

Where is it written that there should be no popular input into jaw making? What makes people who oppose Anna so confident that parliament will enact the right bill lokpal bill with right provisions when it failed to do anything for 40yrs? How can this parliament be expected to act in right way without pressure groups & popular pressure to enact something to curtail their own freedom & corruption?

Think about it, lokpal was not even on the agenda before Anna took it up but now some people are opposing Anna for not simply leaving it to standing committee? WHY?

This whole not supporting  Jan Lokpal bill agitation does't make any sense unless we simply don't want any Lokpal.

Our system is broken in big way, our elections are fast becoming farce, systems are deliberately tweaked for status quo, corruption & high bar for entry of new people. It is naive & foolish to expect to bring change thru elections in this system, things might pretty much break all together before any change can be brought about that
 way..those who worry about democratic means relating to Anna ever stop to think about those supposed representatives made it into parliament? Almost ALL of them come thru a cynical system of electoral arithmetic, where you split & split & split until you are good enough to cross the goal post even if you get only 25% vote... All these arrogant politicians taunting Anna about representing a minority basically entered parliament with barely 25-30% vote among those who CHOSE to vote. And most of garner that vote by various means , by putting up false , fake candidates, by cynically creating & promoting false third fronts which exactly how congress came back to power at the center by promoting third fronts in AP, TN & MAharastra.

Status quo cannot continue and is not sustainable.. Salute Anna for giving atleast some way of agitating within constitutional frame work non violently and yet a way for people to vent.. If not only naxalism, separatism or terrorism are left as options.
Anna is actually doing a huge huge favor to democratic roots in India not the other way around.

Of course it isnobody's case not even Anna team case that Jan lokpal is perfect & has to be adopted in toto. When you spearhead a movement you have to start it with some specific demand & specific goals. It was good strategy to actually prepare a fairly strong draft and agitate for it. If not , what r u going to agitate for, a vague reduction in corruption ? Our Manmohan will say YES of course by next day morning and we can all go home and be back to square one.



 


This whole govt. itself has no clear popular mandate, WHY the arrogance?

[ruchir]

Logging in quickly to agree with Flute's comments. 

[Dayal Baba]

i just saw in horror all political parties from left right and centre ganging up against om puri. now he will be summoned to parliament to be further humiliated. this is the closest i've seen of a stalinist showtrial, only the firing squad was missing!

i hundred percent support om puri's right to say what he said, crass though it was. these self appointed angels, who call other politicians prostitutes (anil basu), dogs (gadcurry) and maut ka saudagar (dynastic head) suddenly remember propriety when they are called much milder names like nalayak and ganwar. where is the privilege motion against them...!! i can't think of another class which deserves the epithet nalayak more than these rascals. whatever little india has achieved is on the backbone of the silent majority from the poor farmer and artisan to the middle class doctor. the dynastic sultanate, the fountainhead of corruption and malpractice, has kept india in the dungheap of #124 of human development index for four generations (4G). time that they and their useful idiots in other parties are taught a lesson!