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[ruchir]

http://www.rediff.com/cricket/report/west-indies-india-stats-dhoni-becomes-2nd-most-successful-indian-captain/20110624.htm



Captain             Mts     Won     Lost    Drawn     Won%     Loss%
SC Ganguly           49        21        13        15          42.86       26.53
MS Dhoni           25        15         3         7          60.00      12.00
M Azharuddin        47        14         14        19         29.79      29.79
Nawab Pataudi Jr   40         9          19        12         22.50      47.50
SM Gavaskar          47         9          8         30         19.15      17.02
R Dravid                25         8          6         11         32.00      24.00
BS Bedi                 22         6         11         5          27.27      50.00


I have added the Loss% column to the Rediff chart.

Ganguly still rules the roost, but MSD is catching up rapidly. With double the game, Ganguly has a slim lead of 6 wins.

Pataudi seems to be an anomaly here. He is known as one of the most aggressive and bowler friendly captains. Yet, he has pretty low win% and pretty high loss%. Maybe because of the team he was leading.

MSD seems to be the best of the lot already. High win% and very low loss%.

Dravid does ok, but with same number of games MSD has bettered him by a factor of 2.

Sunny G has very low win% and loss%, which is understandable 'cause in his days you had to "play for time", not win.

BullShit Bedi surprisingly has better win% than Sunny G. Was it his captaincy or luck?

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Out of curiosity I compiled SG and MSD figures as captains in away tests only:

              Tests   Win(%)        Loss(%)      Draw(%)
Ganguly    28         11(39.29)     10(35.71)      7(25.00)
Dhoni       10          5(50.00)       2(20.00)      3(30.00)

MSD has captained in less number of away tests, so his figures can change, but if the trend holds MSD may turn out to be one of the best captains in world cricket (at least figures wise).

A thing to note is that SG has round about similar win and loss %s, meaning he lost about as much as he won. MSD's figures are different. He wins more 2.5 time more than he loses. That's great IMO.

[Blwe_torch]

Yes...Dhoni will be the most successful Indian captain, as yet...................unless someone comes up with even better results.

[Cover Point]

Yes...Dhoni will be the most successful Indian captain, as yet...................unless someone comes up with even better results.

Key message for you is that Ganguly was much much worse. And he had all of the super stars of Indian team at their peaks! He still could not win as much as Dhoni has done.

How pathetic is that?

[k-slice]

Yes...Dhoni will be the most successful Indian captain, as yet...................unless someone comes up with even better results.

i hope you are right bLwe. i think this man will set an even higher benchmark than SG had. and i pray that whoever folows him, which in my view might be GG or maybe even Vk should aim at beating it. they of course will need a team like that and more importantly bowlers who can win them matches but words cannot really describe what this man has achieved with the backing of his team. good on him. may he continue to ho onwards and upwards.

[akincisor]

To be fair, it is becoming easier to improve these stats. Pakistan is in freefall, WI are at rock bottom, NZ has no fight anymore, even the Australians are doing stupid things and mismanaging their players. Bangladesh looks to be making no improvement. SL are pathetic away from home.

Currently only South Africa and England offer a challenge. This is why India is able to be number 1 with what can charitably be described as a moderate bowling attack. I hope the other teams pick up their games, cause this * is getting boring.

*Edit: Zim are so far gone that I even forgot they existed when I wrote the post

[ganavk]

I think captaincy wise MSD is already considered as world's best by many pundits and rightly so IMO. His batting in tests is still a worry though.
Also IMHO he is already the best we have seen in India and that number will be caught up in another 15 tests or so.
I liked the way this team/MSD is making seniors/other captains feel part of the team.
Small incident: day before yesterday when MSD came to bat in the second innings , RD and him had a long discussion before MSD took strike. After talking when going back to his side of the wicket, Dravid tapped on his back. I thought that simple gesture showed a lot.

[feverpitch]

To be fair, it is becoming easier to improve these stats. Pakistan is in freefall, WI are at rock bottom, NZ has no fight anymore, even the Australians are doing stupid things and mismanaging their players. Bangladesh looks to be making no improvement. SL are pathetic away from home.

Currently only South Africa and England offer a challenge. This is why India is able to be number 1 with what can charitably be described as a moderate bowling attack. I hope the other teams pick up their games, cause this * is getting boring.

*Edit: Zim are so far gone that I even forgot they existed when I wrote the post

Well said. I think there is unanimity on wanting MSD to become the best captain for India, and the world. We do need to keep in mind, though, as you rightly said, that the rest of the world have, for various reasons, sudenly become so trashy, that a fair assesment is difficult.

I mean, West Indies in their pomp had Greenidge, Haynes, Lloyd, Viv, Ritchie in batting, Murray/Dujon behind stumps, and the fearsome foursome in bowling. But Pak had Zaheer, Mian, Majid in batting and Imran, Qadir, Sarfaraz in bowling too... England had Gower, Gooch, Gatting in bat, and Snow, Beefy, Willis in bowling... Ozland had Chappells in bat and Lillie, Thommo in bowling... Heck, even India had Sunny, Vishy, Vengsarkar in batting and Kaps, Chandra, Pras, Bedi in bowling... And yet the Windies were beating all comers hollow with regularity...

Can we think of line-ups of similar quality anywhere in the world today? I dare say, even England and SA don't match up.

[k-slice]

To be fair, it is becoming easier to improve these stats. Pakistan is in freefall, WI are at rock bottom, NZ has no fight anymore, even the Australians are doing stupid things and mismanaging their players. Bangladesh looks to be making no improvement. SL are pathetic away from home.

Currently only South Africa and England offer a challenge. This is why India is able to be number 1 with what can charitably be described as a moderate bowling attack. I hope the other teams pick up their games, cause this * is getting boring.

*Edit: Zim are so far gone that I even forgot they existed when I wrote the post

Well said. I think there is unanimity on wanting MSD to become the best captain for India, and the world. We do need to keep in mind, though, as you rightly said, that the rest of the world have, for various reasons, sudenly become so trashy, that a fair assesment is difficult.

I mean, West Indies in their pomp had Greenidge, Haynes, Lloyd, Viv, Ritchie in batting, Murray/Dujon behind stumps, and the fearsome foursome in bowling. But Pak had Zaheer, Mian, Majid in batting and Imran, Qadir, Sarfaraz in bowling too... England had Gower, Gooch, Gatting in bat, and Snow, Beefy, Willis in bowling... Ozland had Chappells in bat and Lillie, Thommo in bowling... Heck, even India had Sunny, Vishy, Vengsarkar in batting and Kaps, Chandra, Pras, Bedi in bowling... And yet the Windies were beating all comers hollow with regularity...

Can we think of line-ups of similar quality anywhere in the world today? I dare say, even England and SA don't match up.

Thats a bit unfair IMO. you can only play the oposition that is around right? if MSD happens to be captaining in an era that has other teams that are weaker than they used to be thats just the way it is. Steve waugh was ocnsidered a good captain as was Ricky Ponting. Both won 17 tests in a row albeit against weaker oppositions but that doesnt take away from their record does it? All this talk about glory days of cricket and all teams being equal is not completely true. even then you had one or tow weak teams around.  the south africans still have Kallis, Smith, AB and strong bowlers like Steyn, the Aussies still have Batsman like RP and Clarke, the pommies have th ebest side in the world right now IMO, the srilankans have had murli, Sangakarra etc. So its not completely true that MSD is padding his stats. I also read today that Indias future test Calendar will not have Zimbabwe and Bagladesh touring us so that will help build "real" stats whatever they are. Please dont get me wrong. I am not saying that we are playing the best oppositions out there but i do think that MSD has been a consistent captain and that has been made possible by a consistent team that steps up when needed.

[ramshorns]

Yes...Dhoni will be the most successful Indian captain, as yet...................unless someone comes up with even better results.

i hope you are right bLwe. i think this man will set an even higher benchmark than SG had. and i pray that whoever folows him, which in my view might be GG or maybe even Vk should aim at beating it. they of course will need a team like that and more importantly bowlers who can win them matches but words cannot really describe what this man has achieved with the backing of his team. good on him. may he continue to ho onwards and upwards.

First off what mark has Ganguly set that has to be surpassed as a skipper.  Even if one were to consider that what MSD has accomplished as a skipper even if he quits today is already much higher than what Ganguly ever did.

15 Test wins in just 25 tries - Much higher percentage than Ganguly ever had - More importantly No.1 in Test rankings that Ganguly never accomplished or India came close to under him.

Better ODI record already than Ganguly Percentage wise - More importantly a WC win and a tri-series win in Aus. feats never been accomplished in more than 25 years.

And add to that

A 20-20 WC under MSD

and

2 IPL wins and a Champions league win in a pool of captains that had Gilly, Warne, VS, SRT. AK and Ganguly himself and none were able to win more than one and some had no success at all and in Ganguly's case he was even booted out for being a bad captain in Kolkata for not even able to take the team to SF's.

So if people keep words like inspirational leader and emotions aside and look at the facts and results Ganguly actually under achieved with the players he had actually at their peak (RD, VVS, SRT in batting with Srinath, AK along with ZK and HS who was a far better spinner than now) in comparison to MSD who is much better as a skipper and a leader.  Actually players like SRT and VVS eluded to that many times when they directly said the dressing room environment under MSD was the best they ever have been associated with and that is saying a lot coming from legends of Indian cricket such as SRT and VVS.  And that reflects in the results as well.  A WC win and the No1. Test team in the world.

[ramshorns]

To be fair, it is becoming easier to improve these stats. Pakistan is in freefall, WI are at rock bottom, NZ has no fight anymore, even the Australians are doing stupid things and mismanaging their players. Bangladesh looks to be making no improvement. SL are pathetic away from home.

Currently only South Africa and England offer a challenge. This is why India is able to be number 1 with what can charitably be described as a moderate bowling attack. I hope the other teams pick up their games, cause this * is getting boring.

*Edit: Zim are so far gone that I even forgot they existed when I wrote the post

Well said. I think there is unanimity on wanting MSD to become the best captain for India, and the world. We do need to keep in mind, though, as you rightly said, that the rest of the world have, for various reasons, sudenly become so trashy, that a fair assesment is difficult.

I mean, West Indies in their pomp had Greenidge, Haynes, Lloyd, Viv, Ritchie in batting, Murray/Dujon behind stumps, and the fearsome foursome in bowling. But Pak had Zaheer, Mian, Majid in batting and Imran, Qadir, Sarfaraz in bowling too... England had Gower, Gooch, Gatting in bat, and Snow, Beefy, Willis in bowling... Ozland had Chappells in bat and Lillie, Thommo in bowling... Heck, even India had Sunny, Vishy, Vengsarkar in batting and Kaps, Chandra, Pras, Bedi in bowling... And yet the Windies were beating all comers hollow with regularity...

Can we think of line-ups of similar quality anywhere in the world today? I dare say, even England and SA don't match up.

Thats a bit unfair IMO. you can only play the oposition that is around right? if MSD happens to be captaining in an era that has other teams that are weaker than they used to be thats just the way it is. Steve waugh was ocnsidered a good captain as was Ricky Ponting. Both won 17 tests in a row albeit against weaker oppositions but that doesnt take away from their record does it? All this talk about glory days of cricket and all teams being equal is not completely true. even then you had one or tow weak teams around.  the south africans still have Kallis, Smith, AB and strong bowlers like Steyn, the Aussies still have Batsman like RP and Clarke, the pommies have th ebest side in the world right now IMO, the srilankans have had murli, Sangakarra etc. So its not completely true that MSD is padding his stats. I also read today that Indias future test Calendar will not have Zimbabwe and Bagladesh touring us so that will help build "real" stats whatever they are. Please dont get me wrong. I am not saying that we are playing the best oppositions out there but i do think that MSD has been a consistent captain and that has been made possible by a consistent team that steps up when needed.

If this was happening under Ganguly the take would have been different.  And you want to make sense with some  of these miserable guys that take great pride when India loses all because one guy Ganguly is not in the picture while players like SRT, VVS, RD still in it and prospering and taking India to all these feats that never have been done in Indian cricket history.

No.1 in Test rankings

WC win.

The number of Test wins (4th inning exploits) from difficult situations which teams from the past would find a way to lose.

So you need to take a step back before responding to some of these guys to whom cricket revolves around that one average cricketer who no one cares about or talks about right about now.

[k-slice]

[/quote]If this was happening under Ganguly the take would have been different.  And you want to make sense with some  of these miserable guys that take great pride when India loses all because one guy Ganguly is not in the picture while players like SRT, VVS, RD still in it and prospering and taking India to all these feats that never have been done in Indian cricket history.

No.1 in Test rankings

WC win.

The number of Test wins (4th inning exploits) from difficult situations which teams from the past would find a way to lose.

So you need to take a step back before responding to some of these guys to whom cricket revolves around that one average cricketer who no one cares about or talks about right about now.
[/quote]
Rams i dont think anyone was comparing him with SG. It is quite obvious that MSD has been much more successful as a captain for the number of games he has captained. having said that MSD enjoys what he does today in part because of the efforts of SG, RD and AK. that to me is undeniable. as for winning games from positions where other teams would have lost them is what makes us number 1 imo. i think it is true that currently bar Zak our bowling attack is pretty average. our batsman give them the backup they need and all this under the helm of a skipper who doesnt lose his cool.

[feverpitch]

time for a revisit.

[Blwe_torch]

time for a revisit.

btw, which was SG's worst away series as captain?
If I remember right, it was the series against SA.....made famous by Mike Denness.
MSD ..besides having some overseas victories is also having some nightmare away series....England to start with......Australia, going on......and he hasn't yet visited New Zealand.

[dhruvdeepak]

time for a revisit.

btw, which was SG's worst away series as captain?
If I remember right, it was the series against SA.....made famous by Mike Denness.
MSD ..besides having some overseas victories is also having some nightmare away series....England to start with......Australia, going on......and he hasn't yet visited New Zealand.

SG's worst series as captain was the 2-0 blanking we got in NZ.

the SA series doesn't count as much i guess because the one of the Tests was 'unofficial' and Ganguly didnt even play in that unofficial match

btw MSD has already won a Test series in New Zealand

[dhruvdeepak]

MSD has a W-L-D ratio of 17-9-10 as opposed to Ganguly's 21-13-15.

It's probably a close one if you are talking pure Test results.

Ganguly wins for building and rallying a pathetic team etc etc. but Dhoni has better numbers and tougher wins

it's moot.


everyone has a time to go and i think Dhoni's is coming unless this series makes a spectacular about-turn

[dhruvdeepak]

in fact even if we draw/win this series there's nothing much left for Dhoni to do.

we wont tour England and Australia for 3-4 yrs and he wont be captain then in any case.

and he's won pretty much everything else in sight.

might best be to time Dhoni's exit as captain with the exit of the seniors (i gather Laxman will be dropped and Dravid will retire after another 100 or match winning effort).

unfortunately there is no one who can take up the captaincy in the near future. it might have to be a Graeme Smith type situation.

if Gambhir is the next captain of India i will slit my wrists.

[feverpitch]

in fact even if we draw/win this series there's nothing much left for Dhoni to do.

Why?

and he's won pretty much everything else in sight.

You for one are surely not taking limited over and club games into consideration, are you?

might best be to time Dhoni's exit as captain with the exit of the seniors

agreed

(i gather Laxman will be dropped and Dravid will retire after another 100 or match winning effort).

no mention of the elephant in the room, otherwise known as "He who shall not retire"?

unfortunately there is no one who can take up the captaincy in the near future. it might have to be a Graeme Smith type situation.

true

if Gambhir is the next captain of India i will slit my wrists.

considering BCCI's track record, you're a dead man Johnny Depp in a Jim Jarmusch movie!

[Blwe_torch]

time for a revisit.

btw, which was SG's worst away series as captain?
If I remember right, it was the series against SA.....made famous by Mike Denness.
MSD ..besides having some overseas victories is also having some nightmare away series....England to start with......Australia, going on......and he hasn't yet visited New Zealand.

SG's worst series as captain was the 2-0 blanking we got in NZ.

the SA series doesn't count as much i guess because the one of the Tests was 'unofficial' and Ganguly didnt even play in that unofficial match

btw MSD has already won a Test series in New Zealand

I think the 2-0 was against SA...........the New zealand series was an ODI series, which India lost 5-2....in 2002-03...just before the World cup in South Africa....................and the pitch conditions in Newzealand weren't upto the mark.

[Blwe_torch]

Sehwag can be the captain.............till GG is back into some credible form in Test cricket( over-seas)

[achutank]

Sehwag can be the captain.............till GG is back into some credible form in Test cricket( over-seas)

viru himself is in danger of losing his place int eh side mate

0   63         v South Africa   Centurion   16 Dec 2010   Test # 1985
25   32         v South Africa   Durban   26 Dec 2010   Test # 1987
13   11         v South Africa   Cape Town   2 Jan 2011   Test # 1988
0   0         v England   Birmingham   10 Aug 2011   Test # 2003
8   33         v England   The Oval   18 Aug 2011   Test # 2004
55   55         v West Indies   Delhi   6 Nov 2011   Test # 2015
38   -         v West Indies   Kolkata   14 Nov 2011   Test # 2017
37   60         v West Indies   Mumbai   22 Nov 2011   Test # 2019
67   7         v Australia   Melbourne   26 Dec 2011   Test # 2025
30   -         v Australia   Sydney   3 Jan 2012   Test # 2027

[achutank]

Sehwag can be the captain.............till GG is back into some credible form in Test cricket( over-seas)

viru himself is in danger of losing his place int eh side mate

0   63         v South Africa   Centurion   16 Dec 2010   Test # 1985
25   32         v South Africa   Durban   26 Dec 2010   Test # 1987
13   11         v South Africa   Cape Town   2 Jan 2011   Test # 1988
0   0         v England   Birmingham   10 Aug 2011   Test # 2003
8   33         v England   The Oval   18 Aug 2011   Test # 2004
55   55         v West Indies   Delhi   6 Nov 2011   Test # 2015
38   -         v West Indies   Kolkata   14 Nov 2011   Test # 2017
37   60         v West Indies   Mumbai   22 Nov 2011   Test # 2019
67   7         v Australia   Melbourne   26 Dec 2011   Test # 2025
30   -         v Australia   Sydney   3 Jan 2012   Test # 2027

this is 18 innings

[Blwe_torch]

Lets have Dravid or SRT back as captain.
They have the experience and the runs.
Dhoni is very good in the ODIs..........but in the Tests, he seems clueless.

[Blwe_torch]

or lets have GC back as coach cum mentor, with Dhoni remaining as captain...........may be things will work out better this time.

[dhruvdeepak]

time for a revisit.

btw, which was SG's worst away series as captain?
If I remember right, it was the series against SA.....made famous by Mike Denness.
MSD ..besides having some overseas victories is also having some nightmare away series....England to start with......Australia, going on......and he hasn't yet visited New Zealand.

SG's worst series as captain was the 2-0 blanking we got in NZ.

the SA series doesn't count as much i guess because the one of the Tests was 'unofficial' and Ganguly didnt even play in that unofficial match

btw MSD has already won a Test series in New Zealand

I think the 2-0 was against SA...........the New zealand series was an ODI series, which India lost 5-2....in 2002-03...just before the World cup in South Africa....................and the pitch conditions in Newzealand weren't upto the mark.

nopes you're wrong. 5-2 and the whitewash in Tests. congrats on the selective memory wiping out an embarrassing outing for India

2-0 was against SA but as i said it was 'officially' 1-0 as the 3rd Test didnt count and in any case Ganguly didn't play in it

[dhruvdeepak]

Sehwag can be the captain.............till GG is back into some credible form in Test cricket( over-seas)

oh God no.

Sehwag in a recent interview on neo cricket was recounting his experience as captain. in his own words "i dont like to see pitch before match so i was sending coach and Gauti to see pitch and tell me what to do if we win toss"

Gambhir is the most morose character in the world. if Dhoni's overly-calm-and-composed act has made the Indian players listless and lacking urgency, Gauti will render them comatose

[Blwe_torch]

Sehwag can be the captain.............till GG is back into some credible form in Test cricket( over-seas)

oh God no.

Sehwag in a recent interview on neo cricket was recounting his experience as captain. in his own words "i dont like to see pitch before match so i was sending coach and Gauti to see pitch and tell me what to do if we win toss"

Gambhir is the most morose character in the world. if Dhoni's overly-calm-and-composed act has made the Indian players listless and lacking urgency, Gauti will render them comatose

let BCCI request Dravid then.......if he is willing, atleast after this series. GC too can be roped in as coach, as Duncan Fletcher is clearly failing.

[Blwe_torch]

what is Dhoni's updated figures as captain in Tests like?
His last 2 away series, including this one is pretty bad....but he has made up somewhat with the home series.

[dhruvdeepak]

in fact even if we draw/win this series there's nothing much left for Dhoni to do.

Why?

as i said the cycle of Test series visits is over and Dhoni has more or less accomplished what he needs to in each of these countries (yes, not total domination but series wins and good performances). England and Australia are the marquee events and they wont come around for a while, by which time he will presumably not be captain.

so it would make sense to have an experienced captain who has built a team around him with his own vision, by that time.

and he's won pretty much everything else in sight.

You for one are surely not taking limited over and club games into consideration, are you?

the ODIs, T20, IPL etc is separate from this discussion and he is beyond reach in this regard, having won absolutely everything there is to win. In fact i would say he is close to invincible here.

(i gather Laxman will be dropped and Dravid will retire after another 100 or match winning effort).

no mention of the elephant in the room, otherwise known as "He who shall not retire"?

looks like lord scoresalot has more juice in him yet as compared to the rest.

in terms of fixtures coming up it would only be in sept or october this year onwards that there is anything of relevance (we host England later this year and then Australia early next year).

if there was any semblance of a succession plan in place then Sachin probably could/should have retired after the current series. but it looks like that won't happen now.

i would say sachin retire after the New Zealand series in Aug/Sept this year, or maybe after England series (November).

all of this only because there's no one ready to take his place. once he retires i would slot Viru in at #4 where he's always wanted to play.

[dhruvdeepak]

what is Dhoni's updated figures as captain in Tests like?
His last 2 away series, including this one is pretty bad....but he has made up somewhat with the home series.

refer to below

MSD has a W-L-D ratio of 17-9-10 as opposed to Ganguly's 21-13-15.

It's probably a close one if you are talking pure Test results.

Ganguly wins for building and rallying a pathetic team etc etc. but Dhoni has better numbers and tougher wins

it's moot.


everyone has a time to go and i think Dhoni's is coming unless this series makes a spectacular about-turn

[dhruvdeepak]

what is Dhoni's updated figures as captain in Tests like?
His last 2 away series, including this one is pretty bad....but he has made up somewhat with the home series.

despite all the negativity (rightfully earned for atrocious performances) there's still some cricket to go in this series.

[Blwe_torch]

what is Dhoni's updated figures as captain in Tests like?
His last 2 away series, including this one is pretty bad....but he has made up somewhat with the home series.

despite all the negativity (rightfully earned for atrocious performances) there's still some cricket to go in this series.

It is looking ominous. The loss may soon get into double-figure, at the end of this match.

[ramshorns]

or lets have GC back as coach cum mentor, with Dhoni remaining as captain...........may be things will work out better this time.

I can see better returns from GC-MSD combine than GC-Ganguly combine given how much of a better leader MSD is in comparison to Ganguly.

[Blwe_torch]

or lets have GC back as coach cum mentor, with Dhoni remaining as captain...........may be things will work out better this time.

I can see better returns from GC-MSD combine than GC-Ganguly combine given how much of a better leader MSD is in comparison to Ganguly.

That is your fairy-tale....you can live with that.
A leader, needs to be a great communicator, besides so many other things.
SG is an example, all over the world....he gets invited in august gatherings/ institutions to impart his ideas about leadership, etc......and he is in great demand.
You may have noted how self-assured he is in the commentary box, even in the presence of veterans of the game.
I don't need to do his bidding..he is well acclaimed universally, anyway. Dhoni is a great cricketer....but he is already proving, he has miles to go, before he can reach SG's level.

[ramshorns]

or lets have GC back as coach cum mentor, with Dhoni remaining as captain...........may be things will work out better this time.

I can see better returns from GC-MSD combine than GC-Ganguly combine given how much of a better leader MSD is in comparison to Ganguly.

That is your fairy-tale....you can live with that.
A leader, needs to be a great communicator, besides so many other things.
SG is an example, all over the world....he gets invited in august gatherings/ institutions to impart his ideas about leadership, etc......and he is in great demand.

But gets booted from his own backyard of KKR for being a poor leader of men and selfish.  When greats such as SRT, RD, VVS and AK are not performing around his true colors are out as a so called leader and his mettle.  His churlish run-ins with GC and JB is a testimony to the pussy he is.  So much for being a so-called leader.

[Blwe_torch]

or lets have GC back as coach cum mentor, with Dhoni remaining as captain...........may be things will work out better this time.

I can see better returns from GC-MSD combine than GC-Ganguly combine given how much of a better leader MSD is in comparison to Ganguly.

That is your fairy-tale....you can live with that.
A leader, needs to be a great communicator, besides so many other things.
SG is an example, all over the world....he gets invited in august gatherings/ institutions to impart his ideas about leadership, etc......and he is in great demand.

But gets booted from his own backyard of KKR for being a poor leader of men and selfish.  When greats such as SRT, RD, VVS and AK are not performing around his true colors are out as a so called leader and his mettle.  His churlish run-ins with GC and JB is a testimony to the pussy he is.  So much for being a so-called leader.

That is your personal opinion.You are angry, because, he took on the Aussie coaches...whom you idolize/worship naturally. We poor Indians can see, where you are coming from. But that is a psychological issue........nothing to do with cricket.
I remember, you dislike Harbhajan just because he took on an Aussie...challenged him..........an act which shook the ethics of your inherent servile nature. But why bring personal issues into these?!

[ramshorns]

or lets have GC back as coach cum mentor, with Dhoni remaining as captain...........may be things will work out better this time.

I can see better returns from GC-MSD combine than GC-Ganguly combine given how much of a better leader MSD is in comparison to Ganguly.

That is your fairy-tale....you can live with that.
A leader, needs to be a great communicator, besides so many other things.
SG is an example, all over the world....he gets invited in august gatherings/ institutions to impart his ideas about leadership, etc......and he is in great demand.

But gets booted from his own backyard of KKR for being a poor leader of men and selfish.  When greats such as SRT, RD, VVS and AK are not performing around his true colors are out as a so called leader and his mettle.  His churlish run-ins with GC and JB is a testimony to the pussy he is.  So much for being a so-called leader.

That is your personal opinion.You are angry, because, he took on the Aussie coaches...whom you idolize/worship naturally. We poor Indians can see, where you are coming from. But that is a psychological issue........nothing to do with cricket.

Restort to all this when you have no answer to what I clearly outlined as facts.  Ganguly's credentials as a leader when there are no great players around.  In the same set up MSD won two IPL trophies and one champions trophy while Ganguly gets the royal boot from his own backyard.

I remember, you dislike Harbhajan just because he took on an Aussie...challenged him..........an act which shook the ethics of your inherent servile nature. But why bring personal issues into these?!

Hey I got better things to do than sit around and dislike a clown like Darty. Last I checked he is not even in contention for the Punjab XI after a 2 for 200 odd returns in 3 Ranji games. Do not blame others when they rightly criticize Darty for being incompetant.

[Blwe_torch]

I hope, you have better things to do.....so that I don't have to keep replying to your inane posts. This is a vicious cycle...you see!

Let me tell you something that you may not like. My colleagues in office, mostly lay followers of cricket, without the aid of facts and figures are remembering SG's captaincy days, following these dismal performances of the current Indian team. I, on the other hand, tried to defend Dhoni using all the impressive numbers( thankfully provided by DD here)......but to no avail...........numbers failed to convince them. And no, I am not sitting anywhere in Bengal...I am in Pune.

[cricinfo]

I hope, you have better things to do.....so that I don't have to keep replying to your inane posts. This is a vicious cycle...you see!

Let me tell you something that you may not like. My colleagues in office, mostly lay followers of cricket, without the aid of facts and figures are remembering SG's captaincy days, following these dismal performances of the current Indian team. I, on the other hand, tried to defend Dhoni using all the impressive numbers( thankfully provided by DD here)......but to no avail...........numbers failed to convince them. And no, I am not sitting anywhere in Bengal...I am in Pune.

Pune <> Gulti Land

[ganavk]

SG talking about how to play Zaheer is shocking to say the least. Not expected from SG at all , so that steel resolve has dissolved into servile nature so that he can be accepted in the commentary box ?

[ramshorns]

I hope, you have better things to do.....so that I don't have to keep replying to your inane posts. This is a vicious cycle...you see!

Some of you guys get what you deserve.

Let me tell you something that you may not like. My colleagues in office, mostly lay followers of cricket, without the aid of facts and figures are remembering SG's captaincy days, following these dismal performances of the current Indian team. I, on the other hand, tried to defend Dhoni using all the impressive numbers( thankfully provided by DD here)......but to no avail...........numbers failed to convince them. And no, I am not sitting anywhere in Bengal...I am in Pune.

That part in bold says it all.  Thanks for confirming.