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I am a simple man - Mamata Banerjee
« on: May 13, 2011, 11:40:33 AM »
That quote  (to CNN-IBN) takes the cake and should be one of the top 10 quotes of the year
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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2011, 12:59:10 PM »
As early trends started emerging, she started the day (I saw it live on STAR-Ananda at 8.30 AM) with the quote:

"This is a victory for Ma-Mati-Manush. This is a victory of Rabindranath."

Go figure!
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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2011, 01:05:46 PM »
Some tidbits:

Since yesterday, there was a viral sms asking Kolkatans to congregate on the banks of the Hoogly River by 4.30, in time for watching "A new dawn". Today, thousands descended on the ghats and the air was full of green abir (gulal) everywhere. I got various sms/mms with pix. Sweet.

ALL ministers in the Buddha govt., including the CM himself, have lost, leaving almost no known face to become the leader of the oposition. The only minister and known leader to win from CPM is Sushanto Ghosh, from Garbeta, Midnapore. He is CPM's pet mass murderer. I predict, without the CPM umbrella to protect him, within 6 months, he will be caught by the Maoists, tried in a People's Court, and delivered 'justice'. It's long overdue.
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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2011, 02:04:52 PM »
As early trends started emerging, she started the day (I saw it live on STAR-Ananda at 8.30 AM) with the quote:

"This is a victory for Ma-Mati-Manush. This is a victory of Rabindranath."

Go figure!

she also mentioned - this is second independence day for west bengal.
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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2011, 03:53:45 PM »
What does it really mean for people of West Bengal whose trust has been betrayed by Jyoti Bose (the enemy of state who escaped judgment)?  What does Mamata really stand for?  What are her (or his) achievements?

She is certainly a daring lady who changes her mind all the time.  I have not heard of corruption wrt her but I also heard that her brother (who may get powerful) is not a good guy.

She played the role that the communists played in 60's when Congress was in power, stopping everything, driving out business.  You can't survive on farming and literature.  You need industries.  Why would businesses trust her now?

This is a change - putting the CPM's on check, other than that, I am not too hopeful and don't believe that it is anything to rejoice about.
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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2011, 05:26:44 PM »
I am not so sure how good she is. Hopefully she can become the Nitish Kumar of Bengal. Bengal which used to be at the top in many areas of development is today at the bottom quartile of all states. Let us hope that she can bring some semblance of progress. Nothing against Communism in general but if you look at China and even Vietnam which used to be way way behind India until the 90ies and now way ahread in many development indicators, you can see that one cn not survive with ideology alone. Hope Mamata understands that.
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« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2011, 09:11:05 PM »
Well, actually not much surprise in that comment, given that even the CPM used to say that she is the only man in her party!

It's far more a negative vote against the CPM, than a positive vote for her.

How the new government fares will not so much be a question of how good she is, but of how much her cabinet can deliver despite her. It'll be quite a tall order for her to understand that now she also needs to be able to run an administration. It cannot altogether be ruled out that she might call a bandh next week, or invite a street agitation against the policies of her own government, calling them anti-people. That's what has been her career record so far, and everyone knows how difficult it is to change habits. If the police fire at anyone, she could still blame Buddhadeb and the Marxists. It'll be some time before people are able to call her bluff.

She does have a better set of people to man her cabinet, though. Buddhadeb was a well-meaning CM, who tried his best. But he was completely done in by the set of people around him, who took incompetence to incredibly whole new heights. The Left as a whole is a bankrupt entity, with only some ideological wrecks lying around. Buddhadeb had a realization of that, and tried to bring in some measure of pragmatism and sense. However, the baggage was too hard to take off for a party blinded by the spoils of decades of power. That they still retain some existence in some states is only because of the imperative of having an opposition. If the opposition space could be filled by a credible alternative, the Left should pretty soon see themselves wiped off the political landscape.

Mamata has 3/4th majority. Which means, no room for excuses now. Of course, the new government will have to be given time. Probably a second term too to deliver. But that's going to happen only if people on the ground see some progress in the right direction.

Is she a Nitish Kumar? By no means. Nitish has a thinking head over his shoulders. Mamata only has daggers over hers. But the saving grace could be the lining up of some competent people to fill the cabinet posts. There is some room for optimism there. The government has the first task of removing the scum of cadre-centricity that has pervaded all pores of administration and the polity in West Bengal. Rule of law has to be reestablished. So in that respect, a repeat of what Nitish did -- by putting behind bars all criminal elements, and swiftly trying and convicting them -- is a crying need. Then they'll also need to be able to frame some effective policies and execute them with vigor. Her government will have to understand quickly that agriculture cannot be at the cost of industry. And agriculture can't feed people, no matter how many harvests a year the land can give you. You've already had so many harvests a year for all these decades, which hasn't been able to prevent your destitution. With one crore unemployed, and the government unable to pay salaries to its staff, the writing should be on the wall.

The defining aspect for Bengal's future will, however, not be what Mamata does. I'll be what the Left does hereafter. I think, being in power and getting a very close view of the challenges of governance, they could probably be expected to understand the importance of not playing spoilsport just to spite your opponent. However, that'll hold good only for the first few months and years. The Left will likely remain well behaved and constructive so long as Mamata continues making blunders, and they sense a reasonable chance of winning people's confidence back. However, if the reverse happens -- she starts delivering, and they see despondence start sinking in -- there'd be a very strong temptation to pay her back in her own coin. Which means taking the path of destructive politics in the name of people's welfare, just to acquire some relevance. And Bengal being on the brink of disaster, if not already in the midst of it, if the Left pushes it more towards it, that'll probably be a very sad day, which may well be beyond redemption for the people of the state.

Only time will tell whether people realize that the politics of destruction means not just the destruction of your opponent but also of your own.
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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2011, 09:23:31 PM »
I am not so sure how good she is. Hopefully she can become the Nitish Kumar of Bengal. Bengal which used to be at the top in many areas of development is today at the bottom quartile of all states. Let us hope that she can bring some semblance of progress. Nothing against Communism in general but if you look at China and even Vietnam which used to be way way behind India until the 90ies and now way ahread in many development indicators, you can see that one cn not survive with ideology alone. Hope Mamata understands that.

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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2011, 09:29:36 PM »
Excellent write-up, Proloy.  I whole-heartedly agree with every bit of it.  Such is the situation of West Bengal, it is critical for people across the aisle to work together - too much of negative politics and down slide happened in the last 50 years.  I hope for a silver lining but I am very sure there is none unless Mamata understands her shortcomings and select a cabinet based on merit and refrain from interference - which I doubt will happen if we were to go by history.
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Re: I am a simple man - Mamata Banerjee
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2011, 10:17:03 AM »
BTW, on Star Ananda late nite, in response to her behaviour as opposed to that of the CPM, she said in Bengali: They can go on calling names. I won't stoop to their levels. Instead I have called (the CPIM) to congratulate them (at their loss???)
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Re: I am a simple man - Mamata Banerjee
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2011, 10:23:23 AM »
What does it really mean for people of West Bengal whose trust has been betrayed by Jyoti Bose (the enemy of state who escaped judgment)?

True. In todays day and age of 24 hr TV, any one of Marichjhanpi, Bantala, Garbeta or Bijon Setu could have turned into his Nandigram/Singur.

She is certainly a daring lady who changes her mind all the time.  I have not heard of corruption wrt her but I also heard that her brother (who may get powerful) is not a good guy.

That's why she has never allowed her brother anywhere close to power or pelf.

She played the role that the communists played in 60's when Congress was in power, stopping everything, driving out business.  You can't survive on farming and literature.  You need industries.  Why would businesses trust her now?

CPM's Gautam Deb has already promised that he is going to show what true agitational politics, CPM ishtyle is. He promised to start a non-stop an-agitation-a-day from the day she assumes power.
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« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2011, 10:59:28 AM »
It's far more a negative vote against the CPM, than a positive vote for her.

Don't quite agree. Mamata has shown she can be quite mature in her public persona over the last few months since LS polls in 2009. Derek O Brien, who is in charge of her image makeover, and is the VP of TMC, has had a hand in this and it has worked so far.

How the new government fares will not so much be a question of how good she is, but of how much her cabinet can deliver despite her.

Disagree.

A. Because there is no TMC without her, which every party member knows. The reason most likely has to do with the history of backstabbing by Cong men she has had to endure in the past. Which is why she doesnt want more Central Cabinet posts. Which means effectively all decisions will go through her.

B. If the biggest problem faced by her govt is economy, then this is what she has on hand:
* An empty coffer
** Radia scam tainted, industry dalaal Amit Mitra as FM, who will surely try to pull a fast one sooner than later.
*** No new land acquisition law yet. Though it may come soon.
**** Whether they are her ideas or ones she appropriated from advisors, most of the ideas she has publicly spoken about in the election campaign are pretty sound. So no reason to doubt her.

It'll be quite a tall order for her to understand that now she also needs to be able to run an administration. It cannot altogether be ruled out that she might call a bandh next week, or invite a street agitation against the policies of her own government, calling them anti-people. That's what has been her career record so far, and everyone knows how difficult it is to change habits. If the police fire at anyone, she could still blame Buddhadeb and the Marxists. It'll be some time before people are able to call her bluff.

On the one hand, as any person who has lived in Bengal will know, the administration and police had been indeed entirely coopted by the CPM. So till a purge to get rid of these politicised elements takes place, her fears would also be the fears of most of her supporters, if not that of all state citizens.

On the other hand, as I pointed out earlier, she is much more mature now than the press are ready to give her credit for. In a Bush sort of way.

She does have a better set of people to man her cabinet, though.

Some, yes. The relatively unknown ex-VC of Vishwa Bharati against Nirupam Sen and the ex-Principal of NBU against Ashok Bhattacharya were masterstrokes. Either could take up the helm of education.
I am apprehensive of Amit Mitra as FM in the long run, as I have expressed above.

Buddhadeb was a well-meaning CM, who tried his best. But he was completely done in by the set of people around him, who took incompetence to incredibly whole new heights. The Left as a whole is a bankrupt entity, with only some ideological wrecks lying around. Buddhadeb had a realization of that, and tried to bring in some measure of pragmatism and sense. However, the baggage was too hard to take off for a party blinded by the spoils of decades of power. That they still retain some existence in some states is only because of the imperative of having an opposition. If the opposition space could be filled by a credible alternative, the Left should pretty soon see themselves wiped off the political landscape.

Just don't understand this 'well meaning' balderdash. He was every bit what he did. I hope he himself will accept that. OK, he never used the language of Gautam Deb or Binoy Konar, but he condoned them nonetheless. And he oversaw all the major disasters of his reign.

Mamata has 3/4th majority. Which means, no room for excuses now. Of course, the new government will have to be given time. Probably a second term too to deliver. But that's going to happen only if people on the ground see some progress in the right direction.

I am a little less sympathetic on that count. Nitish and Naveen managed a turnaround in his first term itself. No reason why she shouldn't.

Is she a Nitish Kumar? By no means. Nitish has a thinking head over his shoulders. Mamata only has daggers over hers.

Disagree. She wears her heart on her sleeve, it's true. But thats political theatre for TV and the masses. But she has shown enough maturity on many important decisions so far, which I'll try enumerate later.

The government has the first task of removing the scum of cadre-centricity that has pervaded all pores of administration and the polity in West Bengal. Rule of law has to be reestablished. So in that respect, a repeat of what Nitish did -- by putting behind bars all criminal elements, and swiftly trying and convicting them -- is a crying need. Then they'll also need to be able to frame some effective policies and execute them with vigor. Her government will have to understand quickly that agriculture cannot be at the cost of industry. And agriculture can't feed people, no matter how many harvests a year the land can give you. You've already had so many harvests a year for all these decades, which hasn't been able to prevent your destitution. With one crore unemployed, and the government unable to pay salaries to its staff, the writing should be on the wall.

Agreed.

The defining aspect for Bengal's future will, however, not be what Mamata does. I'll be what the Left does hereafter.

First, the partners will have to delink from CPM and leave it to rot. Without that, there can be no regeneration.

I think, being in power and getting a very close view of the challenges of governance, they could probably be expected to understand the importance of not playing spoilsport just to spite your opponent. However, that'll hold good only for the first few months and years. The Left will likely remain well behaved and constructive so long as Mamata continues making blunders, and they sense a reasonable chance of winning people's confidence back. However, if the reverse happens -- she starts delivering, and they see despondence start sinking in -- there'd be a very strong temptation to pay her back in her own coin. Which means taking the path of destructive politics in the name of people's welfare, just to acquire some relevance. And Bengal being on the brink of disaster, if not already in the midst of it, if the Left pushes it more towards it, that'll probably be a very sad day, which may well be beyond redemption for the people of the state.

As I posted earlier, with Gautam Deb, Sushanto Ghosh, Biman Bose, Rabin Deb etc around, I dont see much hope with the CPM. They know only one language—that of violence and agitation.
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Re: I am a simple man - Mamata Banerjee
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2011, 12:54:12 PM »
feverpitch, you may be confusing amit mitra and tarun das (head of cii) who was on the radia tapes.
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« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2011, 01:06:31 PM »
feverpitch, you may be confusing amit mitra and tarun das (head of cii) who was on the radia tapes.

Amit babu is also there. He is a bigger fish, thus managed to get his tapes removed. But many in the Delhi press fraternity have heard them already. Tarun Das is a knave.
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« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2011, 01:09:16 PM »

As I posted earlier, with Gautam Deb, Sushanto Ghosh, Biman Bose, Rabin Deb etc around, I dont see much hope with the CPM. They know only one language—that of violence and agitation.

but isn't that the language of their masters lenin, stalin and mao? why one yardstick for the gurus and another for the shishyas?
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« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2011, 01:21:42 PM »
Not for nothing is Mitra babu being thought of as replacement for Ashim Dasgupta in the empowered committee of state finance ministers on goods and services tax (GST) reforms. By Pranab and Sonia, no less.
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« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2011, 01:31:47 PM »

As I posted earlier, with Gautam Deb, Sushanto Ghosh, Biman Bose, Rabin Deb etc around, I dont see much hope with the CPM. They know only one language—that of violence and agitation.

but isn't that the language of their masters lenin, stalin and mao? why one yardstick for the gurus and another for the shishyas?

I can guess where you're itching... ... :-)

Nevertheless, it's not about different yardsticks, but different situations. Though not even the masters would be spared entirely.

But in particular, with the above worthies of the CPIM, I doubt if they even know the names of the people you deemed to be their masters.
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« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2011, 01:50:36 PM »
As early trends started emerging, she started the day (I saw it live on STAR-Ananda at 8.30 AM) with the quote:
"This is a victory for Ma-Mati-Manush. This is a victory of Rabindranath."
Go figure!
she also mentioned - this is second independence day for west bengal.
... and when asked by Barkha why she was in white when Barkha herself was in green, she said she was all green inside (with envy?)..

hilarious!
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« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2011, 02:01:37 PM »

As I posted earlier, with Gautam Deb, Sushanto Ghosh, Biman Bose, Rabin Deb etc around, I dont see much hope with the CPM. They know only one language—that of violence and agitation.

but isn't that the language of their masters lenin, stalin and mao? why one yardstick for the gurus and another for the shishyas?

I can guess where you're itching... ... :-)

Nevertheless, it's not about different yardsticks, but different situations. Though not even the masters would be spared entirely.

But in particular, with the above worthies of the CPIM, I doubt if they even know the names of the people you deemed to be their masters.


so it's a wrap on the knuckles for lenin, stalin and mao for wiping out millions because it was a 'different situation', and if the wannabes wanted to build a car factory by the usual bit of coercion, they became the devil reincarnate? till date i have not found a satisfactory resolution to this dichotomy of leftist ideologues. you are obviously being disingenuous when you say that the cpm worthies do not know much about lenin and mao, which 'i deemed to be their masters'. i don't recall that it was me who actually hung up lenin, stalin and mao's photos in each every party office in bengal, staring down at the cadre's and harmad's faces.
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« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2011, 02:10:59 PM »
As early trends started emerging, she started the day (I saw it live on STAR-Ananda at 8.30 AM) with the quote:
"This is a victory for Ma-Mati-Manush. This is a victory of Rabindranath."
Go figure!
she also mentioned - this is second independence day for west bengal.
... and when asked by Barkha why she was in white when Barkha herself was in green, she said she was all green inside (with envy?)..

hilarious!

what does the symbolism of green stand for? the tree-huggers?
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« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2011, 03:57:25 PM »
As early trends started emerging, she started the day (I saw it live on STAR-Ananda at 8.30 AM) with the quote:
"This is a victory for Ma-Mati-Manush. This is a victory of Rabindranath."
Go figure!
she also mentioned - this is second independence day for west bengal.
... and when asked by Barkha why she was in white when Barkha herself was in green, she said she was all green inside (with envy?)..

hilarious!

what does the symbolism of green stand for? the tree-huggers?

She might yet find out the significance you indicate sometime soon, considering some of her comrades of the past few years. But then again, she is on overdrive already wooing the Neotias, who are realtors... 'nuff said!
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« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2011, 04:00:08 PM »
i don't recall that it was me who actually hung up lenin, stalin and mao's photos in each every party office in bengal, staring down at the cadre's and harmad's faces.

So also do many Bengali bookshelves contain "A brief history of time" by Stephen Hawking, and every Kolkata street corner have photos of Robi 'Thakur', and 25 Boisakh is widely celebrated with incense sticks, garlands and cut flowers.
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« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2011, 09:11:39 PM »
i don't recall that it was me who actually hung up lenin, stalin and mao's photos in each every party office in bengal, staring down at the cadre's and harmad's faces.

So also do many Bengali bookshelves contain "A brief history of time" by Stephen Hawking, and every Kolkata street corner have photos of Robi 'Thakur', and 25 Boisakh is widely celebrated with incense sticks, garlands and cut flowers.

in other words: despite bengalis venerating the high priests of rationalism, they still revert into their "irrational hindoo" ways. from this i understand that your basic grouse with the cpi(m) is that although they idolised lenin, stalin and mao, they could not really achieve the exalted standards of genocide which they set, and instead indulged into more mortal levels of thuggery such as land grabbing.
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« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2011, 07:02:40 AM »
i don't recall that it was me who actually hung up lenin, stalin and mao's photos in each every party office in bengal, staring down at the cadre's and harmad's faces.

So also do many Bengali bookshelves contain "A brief history of time" by Stephen Hawking, and every Kolkata street corner have photos of Robi 'Thakur', and 25 Boisakh is widely celebrated with incense sticks, garlands and cut flowers.

in other words: despite bengalis venerating the high priests of rationalism, they still revert into their "irrational hindoo" ways. from this i understand that your basic grouse with the cpi(m) is that although they idolised lenin, stalin and mao, they could not really achieve the exalted standards of genocide which they set, and instead indulged into more mortal levels of thuggery such as land grabbing.
Nice try... keep it on... maybe someday you'll manage to to swim across the Skagerrak and Kattegat, and add another feather to Bengali pride...
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Re: I am a simple man - Mamata Banerjee
« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2011, 03:26:20 PM »
i don't recall that it was me who actually hung up lenin, stalin and mao's photos in each every party office in bengal, staring down at the cadre's and harmad's faces.

So also do many Bengali bookshelves contain "A brief history of time" by Stephen Hawking, and every Kolkata street corner have photos of Robi 'Thakur', and 25 Boisakh is widely celebrated with incense sticks, garlands and cut flowers.

in other words: despite bengalis venerating the high priests of rationalism, they still revert into their "irrational hindoo" ways. from this i understand that your basic grouse with the cpi(m) is that although they idolised lenin, stalin and mao, they could not really achieve the exalted standards of genocide which they set, and instead indulged into more mortal levels of thuggery such as land grabbing.
Nice try... keep it on... maybe someday you'll manage to to swim across the Skagerrak and Kattegat, and add another feather to Bengali pride...

was that the route stalin's navy seals took in their quest to mow down trotsky?
clearly you are unable to cut the umbilical cord with lenin and co.. maybe it is about time we replace the dariwala with our local dariwala..
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Re: I am a simple man - Mamata Banerjee
« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2011, 08:46:59 AM »
maybe it is about time we replace the dariwala with our local dariwala..

Who? Kabir?

BTW, here's the latest:

I will give birth* to Pranabda's son**.





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** Abhijit Mukherjee, exSail GM, elected on Cong ticket to WB Assembly
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