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Only test playing nations in WC 2015
« on: April 04, 2011, 08:39:31 PM »
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci-icc/content/current/story/509549.html

'An absolute black day for the sport'

Warren Deutrom, the Cricket Ireland chief executive, has slammed the ICC's decision to trim the next World Cup to just the ten Full Members nations, describing it as "nothing short of outrageous".

The 2015 event in Australia and New Zealand will only include the ten Test-playing nations after the ICC decided against a qualification system for the tournament, which means no chance for the likes of Ireland or Netherlands to earn a place. For 2019 there is the prospect of Associates and Affiliates finding a way back in through qualification, but today's decision has effectively frozen them out of the game's showpiece event for eight years.

The decision, while tough on all the Associate nations, is particularly hard on Ireland, who proved themselves to have been a cut above the rest of the second-tier teams during the 2011 event, with a memorable victory over England in Bangalore to add to their scalping of Pakistan on their World Cup debut in 2007. Though they still finished sixth in Group B, they were more consistently competitive than either Bangladesh or Zimbabwe, the two main beneficiaries of today's ICC's decision.

"The conclusion can only be reached that the decisions made today were based purely on the protection of the existing membership entitlements for Full Members and the commercial imperative that a ten-team event delivers nine guaranteed matches for India and England," Deutrom told ESPNcricinfo. "It's nothing short of outrageous. All of the principles by which a decision should have been made in the first instance - which is what's best for the sport and what's acting in the best interests of all 105 members - have clearly been abandoned today.

Irish reactions on twitter

    * Gary Wilson: What is going on? Excuse the French but that is a sh*t decision! Not a world cup now, just a trophy with 10 teams. Heads up their own a***s
    * Paul Stirling: @gwilson14 Didn't think u cud get a worse decision than ure lbw gainst the windies... I stand corrected ha!
    * Trent Johnston: The ICC have certainly made my decision to retire after the 2012 T/20 World Cup very easy, thanks for the memories... #cricket #icc.
    * Boyd Rankin: Thanks ICC!! What does Irish cricket got to do?? Shambles!!
    * William Porterfield: Trying to compensate it with 16 teams in the T20, is that cuz they make more dollars by having a few more teams in this format by any chance!!#icc
    * Niall O'Brien: mate just got of the field and I'm gutted with this news! This could halt the progress of irish cricket beyond repair. So sad now
    * Barry Chambers (media manager): ICC - no morals - no sense of fair play or natural justice. They are a disgrace and unfit to govern

"And after such a terrific event, and the wonderful occasion of the final, where the sport was incredible and regarded in such glowing terms around the world, I'm afraid this is an absolute black day for the sport. It's a genuinely awful decision that has been reached."

Scarcely three weeks have elapsed since Ireland were the toast of world cricket, with their successful run-chase against England, led by Kevin O'Brien's record-breaking hundred, destined to remain as one of the abiding memories in World Cup history. Boyd Rankin, one of the players who featured in that game, posted his thoughts on Twitter. "Thanks ICC!! What does Irish cricket got to do?? Shambles!!"

Ireland also fought hard against West Indies and Bangladesh, and Deutrom believed his team had done enough at least to force the ICC into some sort of dialogue. "It's a betrayal of the principles of sport and the principles of meritocracy and a level playing field," he said.

"Surely the principle of sport is that if you are good enough you should have the chance to be involved. You have an Associate member who has been out-ranking a Full Member [Zimbabwe] for most of the last four years, who has got through to the Super Eights of the 2007 World Cup, and who has been genuinely been recognised as having performed even better at this one, yet on the back of those performances it has been seen fit to reduced the number of participants at the World Cup."

Although ICC have offered an expanded World Twenty20 in place of 2015 World Cup places, Deutrom has serious concerns about the impact on the sport below Test level. Part of Ireland's success comes from the generous support of sponsors and sports funding, but without the major prize of a World Cup to aim for, the product could be less valuable.

"It's difficult to expect sponsors to remain on board and the government to continue to offer support when the question they could quite legitimately ask is 'why should we support you when your own sport won't?," he said. "High Performance countries would regard themselves as proper cricket countries who play three forms of the game. The decision here, effectively, is saying the other 95 members out of 105 should go away and concentrate on 20-over cricket."

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Re: Only test playing nations in WC 2015
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2011, 08:43:15 PM »
Idiotic move. And above all unfair. So, West Indies can play, Bangladesh can play, Zimbabwe can play, but Ireland don't have a chance to play ... Not even by having to win some associates league.
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Re: Only test playing nations in WC 2015
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2011, 08:48:16 PM »
One of the most phucked up decision from ICC.
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Re: Only test playing nations in WC 2015
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2011, 09:51:01 PM »
This is abysmal, unfair, and tragic. The ICC is run by cold blooded, money minded bureaucrats who have no love whatsoever for the game. Shame on them! I suggest we start an online petition somewhere (facebook?). I am not very good with these things, so please advise.
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Re: Only test playing nations in WC 2015
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2011, 09:59:05 PM »
This is abysmal, unfair, and tragic. The ICC is run by cold blooded, money minded bureaucrats who have no love whatsoever for the game. Shame on them! I suggest we start an online petition somewhere (facebook?). I am not very good with these things, so please advise.

I am all for it
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Re: Only test playing nations in WC 2015
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2011, 10:09:45 PM »
Outrageous. Outrageous.

This is a black day for cricket.

At least give them a beeping chance.
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Re: Only test playing nations in WC 2015
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2011, 11:25:03 PM »
Stupid decision. Ireland was much better than Zimbabwe, BD and WI.
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Re: Only test playing nations in WC 2015
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2011, 11:35:19 PM »
« Last Edit: April 05, 2011, 12:25:28 AM by dextrous »
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Re: Only test playing nations in WC 2015
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2011, 12:22:18 AM »
Aus, BD, Eng, Ind, NZ, Pak, Sa, SL, WI .. I count only 9 test playing nations. I thought zim was stripped of test status.

Anyway, i was for 10 teams... But dont like this approach. I wanted top 6/8 to automatically qualify..and the  other 8/6 to play a qualifing tournament to get to total 10. This preordained 10, is silly and stupid.
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Re: Only test playing nations in WC 2015
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2011, 12:12:08 PM »
Zim is returning to the fray this year (on a trial basis i believe).

Chingoka or whichever scoundrel is in charge must have sucked Pawar's lorgat in Ernest (Hilaire)
« Last Edit: April 05, 2011, 12:16:07 PM by dhruvdeepak »
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Re: Only test playing nations in WC 2015
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2011, 12:12:59 PM »
Zim is returning to the fray this year (on a trial basis i believe)
what have they done to deserve the return ?

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« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2011, 12:16:52 PM »
cricinfo - see my modified post above :p

also, guys please post on CLR's fbk page and pass the word.

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« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2011, 12:19:26 PM »
The best World Cup of all time
But the ICC's decision to chop out the Associates - especially Ireland, who were integral to the excitement - is both baffling and tragic

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Four years ago in the Caribbean, it was said that the ICC got the World Cup it deserved. The 2007 tournament was a bloated, corporate, soulless sell-out of an event, infused with a noxious blend of controversy and apathy that turned the self-proclaimed Carnival of Cricket into a six-week wake. In Asia in 2011, however, the ICC got the World Cup that it needed, and that is not the same thing whatsoever.

By the standards set in 2007, not to mention those in South Africa in 2003 and England in 1999, the 2011 tournament was a resounding triumph. In fact, an impromptu survey of approximately 1.2 billion people might well conclude that it was the best World Cup of all time. Admittedly some non-Indian observers might suggest those findings had been skewed a touch, but try telling that to the jubilant masses who spilled out of the Wankhede Stadium and onto Mumbai's Marine Drive on Saturday evening, or to anyone who shared the scenes of delirium in every street of every city, town and village of the world's second-most populous nation.

The funny thing is, those 1.2 billion people are almost certainly right, but not necessarily for the reasons they might assume. Of the 10 World Cups to have taken place since 1975, none has come close to matching the narrative and drama of the tournament just completed - not even 1992, which is commonly cited as the pundits' pick to date. The greatest triumph of this edition lay not in the final outcome but in the journey that was required to reach that crowning moment, for the excellence of the entertainment was not simply an illusion glimpsed in the moment of India's victory. This would have been a World Cup to savour, irrespective of whether Gautam Gambhir and MS Dhoni had managed to turn the tide of the final in their country's favour.

All of which makes Monday's mood-darkening decision in Mumbai so incredibly hard to countenance. The decision to slam the door shut on cricket's Associate nations - in particular Ireland, whose role in the narrative was so fundamental - and revert to a ten-team formula in 2015, makes a mockery of the spectacle we have just been privileged to witness.

Ratnakar Shetty, the tournament director, admitted as much on the eve of the opening ceremony, when he let slip that the group-stage elimination of both India and Pakistan had torpedoed the entire event in 2007. Every available precaution was taken to ensure against a repeat of such a financial disaster, but when England tested the rejigged format to its absolute limits by threatening a group-stage exit at the hands of Ireland and Bangladesh, the doubts crept in. At the time England's struggles appeared to vindicate the tweaks that had been made, but at boardroom level it became clear that changing the locks alone wouldn't be enough to guard against future intrusions. It was time to roll out the razor wire.

          
 
The fact that the ICC reached their decision a mere two days after the tournament's conclusion suggests that there was never a decision to be reached in the first place. It was simply a matter of announcing the fait accompli
 
The decision has been shocking both for its timing and its finality. A sop has been offered for 2019, but by then Associate cricket will have been stagnant for a generation. Even George Dockrell will be in his late twenties and in all probability an England regular - why would or should he squander the prime of his career waiting? - while John Mooney, Kevin O'Brien and all the other heroes of Bangalore will have long since retired. And the fact that the ICC reached their decision a mere two days after the tournament's conclusion suggests that there was never a decision to be reached in the first place. It was simply a matter of announcing the fait accompli.

The wider concern is the lack of concern. The public's initial reaction has been gratifyingly furious, but if ever there was a good day for the ICC to bury bad news, it is the Monday after India have won the World Cup, just as the IPL hype machine is beginning to grind into action. If enough righteous indignation is to be summoned to force the board into a change of heart, then a sizeable proportion of the 1.2 billion are going to have to speak out as well. But with some justification, they are a bit preoccupied right now.

The tone of this article was never intended to be so downbeat. A remarkable event took place in Mumbai on Saturday, and quite rightly, the celebrations throughout India will resonate for weeks and months to come. Dhoni's decisive six in the final could yet become the most replayed shot in cricket's long history, while no one who claims to love the game can take anything other than delight in the decisive role that Sachin Tendulkar played in his sixth and (presumably?) farewell campaign. Moreover, the best team in the tournament emerged with the spoils, and while everyone loves an upset now and again, it's right that class should prevail in the end.


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But regardless of all that, the World Cup's postscript is one that ought to freeze the blood of all sports fans, irrespective of how much they've loved or loathed the campaign that preceded it. The most common complaint - particularly from those frequent flyers who took part in the six-week game of subcontinental hopscotch - was that the event was at least a fortnight too long, although that issue is one that is stipulated by the ICC's long-standing broadcasting deal with ESPN Star Sports, and hence a ten-team all-play-all format in 2015 will not lead to a significant reduction of matches or days on the road.

What it will lead to is the loss of one of the key reasons behind the success of 2011. Ireland's victory over England, powered by O'Brien's astounding century, was a performance the like of which we may never again be privileged to witness - it was so unexpected, yet so majestic, that when the deal had been done, and Ireland really had chased 328 to beat England, having at one stage been 111 for 5, it seemed churlish to demean it as an upset. Not even Australia in their pomp could have won a game with more confidence.

The knock-on effect was to electrify the permutations in Group B, where Bangladesh's fluctuations created a six-way tussle for four places. Though they wilted at the last against South Africa, their own story was a vital subplot in itself. It started with the youthful vigour they provided at the opening ceremony - a concept that tends to look laboured at sporting events where there's no Olympic flame to provide a focal point - and continued via the West Indies debacle and the subsequent stoning of the team bus, through to their own crowning moment against England. And all along the way, they - like the musically fuelled Sri Lankans - kept contributing the thrill of packed stadiums, a factor that had been so miserably absent throughout the previous World Cup.

But in the end the whole narrative reverts back to India, and quite rightly so, because this was their year, and they earned it the hard way, soaking up the pressures and the doubts, as well as 28 years of World Cup failure. That they won the final in such style was magnificent, but their journey to that Sri Lanka showdown was every bit as gripping. Along the way they faced up to each of their major rivals, and there was not a dull contest among them. England battled to a tie, South Africa secured a thrilling run-chase, before Australia were dethroned and Pakistan denied in consecutive knock-out encounters.

And then the party that kicked off on Saturday night was something to behold. If the purpose of sport is to fulfill a utilitarian brief of conferring the greatest pleasure for the greatest number, then the 2011 World Cup hit the spot like no other event in history. Sadly, however, there is so much more to it than that. Any sports fan with a moral compass, even one whose every wish has been granted this past week, will recognise that the tournament's true conclusion was signed and sealed not in the Wankhede Stadium, but in a Mumbai board-room, two days after the main event.

Andrew Miller is UK editor of ESPNcricinfo

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Re: Only test playing nations in WC 2015
« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2011, 12:26:02 PM »
cricinfo - see my modified post above :p

also, guys please post on CLR's fbk page and pass the word.

Let's try and make this a thing

I have added the link to cricinfo website in the comments for the Andrew Miller article
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Re: Only test playing nations in WC 2015
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2011, 12:49:08 PM »
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/apr/05/cricket-facing-talent-drain-the-spin

THE FINE ART OF SHOOTING YOURSELF IN THE FOOT

The ICC may well have good reasons for excluding the Associate nations from the 2015 World Cup. The infuriating thing is that if they do, no one knows what they are, because they have completely failed to tell us.

"The Executive Board confirmed their decision made in October 2010 that the ICC Cricket World Cup 2015 in Australia and New Zealand and the ICC Cricket World Cup in England in 2019 will be a 10-team event," read its press release. "The Board agreed that the 2015 World Cup will comprise the existing 10 Full Members."

Why? Regardless of the right and wrongs of the decision – and let's face it, there are far more of the second than there are of the first – the ICC's refusal to even attempt to explain their logic or justify its decision leaves it looking autocratic and inconsiderate. Especially given that the announcement has come immediately after a World Cup in which Ireland, who are now pressing hard against a glass ceiling, played such a key part. It means that there is a considerable weight of opinion on the Associate's side, but nothing at all on the ICC's. In the absence of argument, the public are left to conclude that the ICC is motivated by obstinacy and self-interest.

That may be true, or it may not. But its silence does nothing to improve its image or confound the idea that it has principles other than the best interests of the sport at heart. Its aim cannot have been to shorten the competition – the ICC's broadcast contract with ESPN stipulates a minimum number of matches, so the format in 2015 will be re-worked to ensure that there were just as many games then as there were this time. And if it was felt that there were too many dull games, what about England's 10-wicket defeat to Sri Lanka, West Indies' 10-wicket defeat to Pakistan or New Zealand's 10-wicket defeat to Australia? You cannot mitigate against mis-matches.

The sop offered the Associates is the expansion of the World Twenty20 to 16 teams, and the promise of a qualifying tournament in 2019. You cannot expect to a child to grow strong and healthy on a diet of candyfloss. This is a retrograde move that is going to undo an enormous of good work that has been done to develop cricket around the world in the last 10 years. It is not just Ireland, Kenya, Canada and the Netherlands who will suffer, but every single one of 95 Associate and Affiliate nations, including Afghanistan, Denmark, Namibia, Scotland, the USA, and the UAE, all teams who have been, or should be, capable of playing a part in a 50-over World Cup. And while you may not read about them, real progress has also been made developing the game in countries like Nepal and Papua New Guinea. The World Cricket League was one of the few aspects of the game's governance that the ICC had got indisputably right. And its development work one of the few areas it could be justifiably proud of. Until now.
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Re: Only test playing nations in WC 2015
« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2011, 12:52:24 PM »
http://www.sportinglife.com/cricket/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=cricket%2F11%2F04%2F04%2Fmanual_221133.html&BID=615

ROLL UP FOR THE 2015 ICC INVITATIONAL
By Dave Tickner

"We are fair, just and utterly impartial."

That's one of the 'values' listed among some other dribbling management-speak guff on the ICC's website.

What, then, is 'fair' about denying the team ranked 10th in the world any chance of a spot in a 10-team World Cup?

What is 'just' about telling every other cricketing nation outside your protected elite that they are not welcome at the game's biggest global gathering?

The ICC have cancelled the 2015 World Cup. No tournament that denies an entry route to all but the select few has the right to that title.

It's the 2015 ICC Invitational after a decision of such staggering incompetence one genuinely starts to wonder if they are doing it on purpose.

Zimbabwe, below Ireland in the ICC's own rankings, get an automatic spot in an ODI tournament based on a Test status they have not fulfilled in recent years because they are not good enough.

This makes no sense.

Even if the elitist manner of the reduction in numbers would always stick in the craw, it would be easier to take if it was doing anything to improve the glaring flaws in recent World Cups.

But it isn't. The World Cup has two main problems: it's too long, and has too many meaningless matches.

Simply reducing the teams solves neither. You could increase the number of competing teams to 16 and polish off a neat 31-game tournament with at worst a handful of dead rubbers through four groups of four followed by knockouts from the quarter-finals onwards.

But in the 2015 ICC Invitational, the 10 teams will play each other in a round-robin first stage followed by semi-finals and a final. That equals 48 games. The World Cup just finished had 49 games.

And as for meaningless matches, it doesn't take a huge stretch of the imagination to see a couple of teams easing clear at the top of the table early while, based on the events of the last six weeks West Indies, Zimbabwe and Bangladesh becoming cast adrift at the foot of the table.

That leaves half the teams playing broadly insignificant games for half a tournament.

No, this restructuring - which comes at the price of cricket's future in every country outside the 'ICC10' - does nothing to remedy the tournament's faults.

But what it does do is guarantee all the big boys at least nine matches apiece. Kerching! Trebles all round. Never mind the quality, feel the quantity.

Never mind a cracking generation of Irish cricketers' international careers reduced overnight to Twenty20 hit and giggle or trying to get a game for England.

Never mind the ongoing Afghanistan fairytale being brutally cut short before its final chapter.

"Promoting and protecting the game, and its unique spirit." That's another of the ICC's Values. Or Missions. Or whatever else they want to call their hollow, empty words.

Every other sport in the world is trying to expand beyond its traditional borders.

Yet the ICC seek to actively prevent the game's spread. That promotes and protects nothing other than the shallow, short-sighted, self-interest of the cosy few.

The ICC must reconsider. We're probably stuck with the 10-team format now, but if two of those spots are not opened up for a qualification tournament involving Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and the cream of the Associates then the ICC has betrayed the game it purports to serve.
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Re: Only test playing nations in WC 2015
« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2011, 01:01:45 PM »
I believe this is the ICC site , surprising they piggy back on yahoo and do not have dedicate domina to themselves. There is an email enquiry@icc-cricket.com , if a few million indians dump protests into that - may be it will make difference

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Re: Only test playing nations in WC 2015
« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2011, 01:03:32 PM »
Also these are the kind of situations where i expect a little bit more from stalwarts like SRT - they should come out openly in favor of Ireland
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Re: Only test playing nations in WC 2015
« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2011, 11:04:59 PM »
Also these are the kind of situations where i expect a little bit more from stalwarts like SRT - they should come out openly in favor of Ireland

indeed. this is where someone like bradman (from history pov) was far more outspoken about player rights...even if they got into fights, they at least tried to standup.
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Re: Only test playing nations in WC 2015
« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2011, 11:26:12 PM »
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« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2011, 11:51:29 PM »
I believe this is the ICC site , surprising they piggy back on yahoo and do not have dedicate domina to themselves. There is an email enquiry@icc-cricket.com , if a few million indians dump protests into that - may be it will make difference

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Re: Only test playing nations in WC 2015
« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2011, 12:05:22 AM »
Do we have any knowledge of who exactly drove this decision and why? I read somewhere that England's loss to Ireland this time, even in this 2 round format designed to make the effect of any one upset as small as possible, still put England's qualification in jeopardy -- and this was the reason to dismiss the associates next time around.

So was this due to lobbying of the rep. from England? Who else supported it? Was it the bulk of the permanent members because they felt that if India is eliminated early, the ad revenue plummets?

I felt it could be due to the overall power balance. If Ireland get a place, they will not necessarily vote with the Asian bloc, and the voting pattern is affected. But I don't know if inclusion in the World Cup has anything to do with voting.

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Re: Only test playing nations in WC 2015
« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2011, 12:10:02 AM »
Only 13% of people on cricinfo fully agree with the decision. I am baffled. Simply baffled. Since 1975, we have always had associates. I went to college with a lot of international students from Kenya, Nepal, etc. and we still talk during the World Cup. It means something to these folks to at least make it to the Cup. People who are not otherwise interested in cricket become interested in places like Kenya. This is really bad for the game.
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Re: Only test playing nations in WC 2015
« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2011, 01:07:27 AM »
Do we have any knowledge of who exactly drove this decision and why? I read somewhere that England's loss to Ireland this time, even in this 2 round format designed to make the effect of any one upset as small as possible, still put England's qualification in jeopardy -- and this was the reason to dismiss the associates next time around.

So was this due to lobbying of the rep. from England? Who else supported it? Was it the bulk of the permanent members because they felt that if India is eliminated early, the ad revenue plummets?

I felt it could be due to the overall power balance. If Ireland get a place, they will not necessarily vote with the Asian bloc, and the voting pattern is affected. But I don't know if inclusion in the World Cup has anything to do with voting.
I don't have the knowledge of what drove this decision. One possibility is the complaints about the long
WC this time. If so, I think they are not listening to the complaints carefully and exhibiting their incompetence. Most people (eg. WN here  clearly said so) would at least want the best N teams to play, and most would not mind adding a couple if there was no major difference in the level. In their program they are not doing that.

The other possibility is something along the lines of what you suggest. Votes would be a meaningful one, but as you pointed out what does WC have to do with votes.
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Re: Only test playing nations in WC 2015
« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2011, 01:18:52 AM »
While we are there another important movement is shaping up in India. People please join in http://www.facebook.com/IndiACor

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Re: Only test playing nations in WC 2015
« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2011, 02:56:33 AM »
While we are there another important movement is shaping up in India. People please join in http://www.facebook.com/IndiACor




This puts me off:
Anna Hazare is starting indefinite fast to demand the same.

I'm tired of both politicians and activists people starving themselves in India.
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Re: Only test playing nations in WC 2015
« Reply #27 on: April 06, 2011, 03:31:40 AM »
While we are there another important movement is shaping up in India. People please join in http://www.facebook.com/IndiACor




This puts me off:
Anna Hazare is starting indefinite fast to demand the same.

I'm tired of both politicians and activists people starving themselves in India.


Why would have problem with his fast? At least he is trying to do something instead of just talking and that too in a peaceful way and not by burning effigies.
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Re: Only test playing nations in WC 2015
« Reply #28 on: April 06, 2011, 07:20:24 AM »
Zim is returning to the fray this year (on a trial basis i believe)
what have they done to deserve the return ?

If I remember correctly,Zimbabwe volunteered to get out of Test group for a brief period since the country was in turmoil. It is their decision to come back or not.
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Re: Only test playing nations in WC 2015
« Reply #29 on: April 06, 2011, 07:27:07 AM »
Zim is returning to the fray this year (on a trial basis i believe)
what have they done to deserve the return ?

If I remember correctly,Zimbabwe volunteered to get out of Test group for a brief period since the country was in turmoil. It is their decision to come back or not.

yes, they withdrew before they were kicked out. nothing to do with trial. they're back, starting with bangladesh.
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Re: Only test playing nations in WC 2015
« Reply #30 on: April 06, 2011, 07:42:44 AM »
The only activism appreciated by the "New India" is facebook & candlelight activism. Maybe even multiplex activism, as in watching films like Rang De Basanti in a multiplex with popcorn, cola and the works...
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Re: Only test playing nations in WC 2015
« Reply #31 on: April 06, 2011, 07:57:32 AM »
The only activism appreciated by the "New India" is facebook & candlelight activism.

Yes...would love to see an India where people actually think of other Indians from other parts as equals to start with...that'd be a real revolution.
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Re: Only test playing nations in WC 2015
« Reply #32 on: April 06, 2011, 10:01:23 AM »
The only activism appreciated by the "New India" is facebook & candlelight activism.

Yes...would love to see an India where people actually think of other Indians from other parts as equals to start with...that'd be a real revolution.

Couldn't agree more. So... where is the connection with facebook activism?
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