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[dextrous]

Ruchir,

Since you're repeating the same stuff on all threads and I don't have time to respond to all of them. Almost all of what you're saying is plain ol' fiction. But repeating it numerous times doesn't make it true.

While there's no denying that KKR played badly, your attacks belie logic.

I'd just like to respond here to one of your fabricated theories:

"Cut to game # 48, next game for both teams after their critical losses. The difference in both teams could not have been starker. KKR had no visible team spirit whatsoever. There was no pre-game team huddle in KKR. There was no last minute motivating talk by SG. KKR players were meandering on the ground, looking lost. "

I invite you to watch the recording of the game on youtube.
Check at 1:49:34. Do you see the huddle before KKR's fielding? Do you see Dinda waving?

[dextrous]

Further, you keep saying "12 points", which is complete nonsense. KKR is on 10 points.

[dextrous]

And, when you get a chance from posting fabrications, take a look at:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/4gyXp9p_qD8&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/4gyXp9p_qD8&rel=0</a>

[dextrous]

Now, re-viewing the match. It seems like everyone of repute seems to agree on Ganguly's statement about his team. So, please find actual criticisms of Ganguly's statements (and no, CP is not a reliable or authorotative source)

[dextrous]

Looks like Bhogle also agrees with Ganguly's tongue lashing

[Cover Point]

Now, re-viewing the match. It seems like everyone of repute seems to agree on Ganguly's statement about his team. So, please find actual criticisms of Ganguly's statements (and no, CP is not a reliable or authorotative source)

I am not? Despite being smarter and smarter than any gangulian?

[Flamingo]

Dextrous in verbal diarrhoea shocker? 

i think he likes you. 

in any case, i don't think you're smarter and smarter Mr Point.  As much as it pains me to say 

[Cover Point]

Dextrous in verbal diarrhoea shocker? 

i think he likes you. 

in any case, i don't think you're smarter and smarter Mr Point.  As much as it pains me to say 

thank you for agreeing on both the points.

[ruchir]

Further, you keep saying "12 points", which is complete nonsense. KKR is on 10 points.

I realized my mistake and corrected my post withing few minutes. You can verify.

[ruchir]

Ruchir,

Since you're repeating the same stuff on all threads and I don't have time to respond to all of them. Almost all of what you're saying is plain ol' fiction. But repeating it numerous times doesn't make it true.

What fiction? The only thing you have talked about here is the huddle. That makes "almost everything" I said fiction? Wow... you seem to have real bad math problems.

FYI, I have not talked about the huddle multiple times. I talked about it only once, and talking about it now to reply to you. I have maintained that IMO relations between SG and KKR players are strained now, because of his lashing. Huddle, or it's absence, was just an example.

While there's no denying that KKR played badly, your attacks belie logic.

I'd just like to respond here to one of your fabricated theories:

"Cut to game # 48, next game for both teams after their critical losses. The difference in both teams could not have been starker. KKR had no visible team spirit whatsoever. There was no pre-game team huddle in KKR. There was no last minute motivating talk by SG. KKR players were meandering on the ground, looking lost. "

I invite you to watch the recording of the game on youtube.
Check at 1:49:34. Do you see the huddle before KKR's fielding? Do you see Dinda waving?

I subscribe to watch the IPL Games. I watched the game live and then the replay (for sadistic pleasure  ). I saw the youtube video too. The huddle that you are talking about was not actually a huddle. Everyone came close (shoulders touching), SG said a few word and immediately everyone dispersed. That is what it was. SG had his hand around player next to him.

[Libran]

 

Now the experts have really gone bonkers.. they have decided on the technicalities of a huddle.. which angle they should be in.. who should say what..for how many seconds / minutes .. who should be touching which body part of which player etc.,

jeez.. this DG will ne'er grow beyond its diapers

[ruchir]

Oh don't worry about experts going bonkers....

This is the same DG where it was analyzed as to whether SG directed the umpire to go for 3rd umpire review when he was caught in an ODI. That time too, all the usual suspect experts came out with their second by second analysis of video clip. This is nothing new on this DG. Actually, this is what is expected of experts.

We have to define very clearly what the meaning of "is" is.

So when I see a normal team huddle, where all players are packed together, head down, listening to what the captain is saying, and then I see this sorry excuse of KRR huddle, and someone tells me this KKR huddle depicted great team spirit... I want to be excused for throwing up.

[ramshorns]

I have to go with Ruchir's POV here having watched the game live.

From the looks of it Ganguly had nothing much to say which is not the issue but there appeared to be a disconnect looking at the players body language.

Though one cannot surely read very much into it given based on what has transpired in the prior days with that ill advised tirade and what not and having seen the KKR huddles in the prior matches it looked unusual and an air of uneasiness to it.

Let us just say there was not a lot of camaraderie flowing in that KKR huddle.

[dextrous]

Ruchir,
Your entire set of posts yesterday were all a variation of the same theme--that KKR lacked team spirit. The most potent observation you put forth was that there was no team huddle. It wasn't the quality of the team huddle that you were commenting on but that there was none. The US TV coverage zoomed into the KKR team towards the end and even at that point Dinda felt comfortable smiling & waving. According to viewers outside of the country that had more closeup shots, SG was talking quite animatedly and excitedly with the teammmates.

Apology accepted.

[adhunikbarbarian]

a classical instance of myopia...old age does that to people i guess
my sympathies 

[ruchir]

Ruchir,
Your entire set of posts yesterday were all a variation of the same theme--that KKR lacked team spirit. The most potent observation you put forth was that there was no team huddle. It wasn't the quality of the team huddle that you were commenting on but that there was none. The US TV coverage zoomed into the KKR team towards the end and even at that point Dinda felt comfortable smiling & waving. According to viewers outside of the country that had more closeup shots, SG was talking quite animatedly and excitedly with the teammmates.

Apology accepted.

As I said, it is my opinion that KKR now severely lacks team spirit. I presented an example to support my opinion. Those who watched the game, live or replays, would have seen during the match what kind of rapport the team had within. I am in US. I watched the TV coverage you are talking about.

1. Can you explain what do you mean by saying "Dinda felt comfortable smiling & waving."?? What do you think he was smiling about? Who was he waving at? I just want to understand what you mean by writing this.

2. Can you also explain what do think SG was talking about when he was animated and excited? Keeping in mind the position his team was in, he surely wasn't excited about that. He was also probably not excited about the performance of his bowlers. The only thing I can think of, of SG being animated and excited, is that he was admonishing his players for their supposed mistakes. That's team spirit right there. I agree.

[Blwe_torch]

Ruchir,
Your entire set of posts yesterday were all a variation of the same theme--that KKR lacked team spirit. The most potent observation you put forth was that there was no team huddle. It wasn't the quality of the team huddle that you were commenting on but that there was none. The US TV coverage zoomed into the KKR team towards the end and even at that point Dinda felt comfortable smiling & waving. According to viewers outside of the country that had more closeup shots, SG was talking quite animatedly and excitedly with the teammmates.

Apology accepted.

As I said, it is my opinion that KKR now severely lacks team spirit. I presented an example to support my opinion. Those who watched the game, live or replays, would have seen during the match what kind of rapport the team had within. I am in US. I watched the TV coverage you are talking about.

1. Can you explain what do you mean by saying "Dinda felt comfortable smiling & waving."?? What do you think he was smiling about? Who was he waving at? I just want to understand what you mean by writing this.

2. Can you also explain what do think SG was talking about when he was animated and excited? Keeping in mind the position his team was in, he surely wasn't excited about that. He was also probably not excited about the performance of his bowlers. The only thing I can think of, of SG being animated and excited, is that he was admonishing his players for their supposed mistakes. That's team spirit right there. I agree.

Drum-roll........

[dextrous]

Ruchir,
Your entire set of posts yesterday were all a variation of the same theme--that KKR lacked team spirit. The most potent observation you put forth was that there was no team huddle. It wasn't the quality of the team huddle that you were commenting on but that there was none. The US TV coverage zoomed into the KKR team towards the end and even at that point Dinda felt comfortable smiling & waving. According to viewers outside of the country that had more closeup shots, SG was talking quite animatedly and excitedly with the teammmates.

Apology accepted.

As I said, it is my opinion that KKR now severely lacks team spirit. I presented an example to support my opinion. Those who watched the game, live or replays, would have seen during the match what kind of rapport the team had within. I am in US. I watched the TV coverage you are talking about.

1. Can you explain what do you mean by saying "Dinda felt comfortable smiling & waving."?? What do you think he was smiling about? Who was he waving at? I just want to understand what you mean by writing this.

2. Can you also explain what do think SG was talking about when he was animated and excited? Keeping in mind the position his team was in, he surely wasn't excited about that. He was also probably not excited about the performance of his bowlers. The only thing I can think of, of SG being animated and excited, is that he was admonishing his players for their supposed mistakes. That's team spirit right there. I agree.

Ruchir, let me get this straight--
first you said KKR players looked unhappy. When i pointed out dinda was smiling during the team meeting, you're demanding as to how dare he smile?!

#2...again purely your imagination at work...i can pretty much say whatever i want about the scene but that doesn't make it true or accurate. what could he be talking animatedly about? could it be that he was pumping them up? or can it only be things you want them to be?

[ruchir]

Ruchir,
Your entire set of posts yesterday were all a variation of the same theme--that KKR lacked team spirit. The most potent observation you put forth was that there was no team huddle. It wasn't the quality of the team huddle that you were commenting on but that there was none. The US TV coverage zoomed into the KKR team towards the end and even at that point Dinda felt comfortable smiling & waving. According to viewers outside of the country that had more closeup shots, SG was talking quite animatedly and excitedly with the teammmates.

Apology accepted.

As I said, it is my opinion that KKR now severely lacks team spirit. I presented an example to support my opinion. Those who watched the game, live or replays, would have seen during the match what kind of rapport the team had within. I am in US. I watched the TV coverage you are talking about.

1. Can you explain what do you mean by saying "Dinda felt comfortable smiling & waving."?? What do you think he was smiling about? Who was he waving at? I just want to understand what you mean by writing this.

2. Can you also explain what do think SG was talking about when he was animated and excited? Keeping in mind the position his team was in, he surely wasn't excited about that. He was also probably not excited about the performance of his bowlers. The only thing I can think of, of SG being animated and excited, is that he was admonishing his players for their supposed mistakes. That's team spirit right there. I agree.

Ruchir, let me get this straight--
first you said KKR players looked unhappy. When i pointed out dinda was smiling during the team meeting, you're demanding as to how dare he smile?!

#2...again purely your imagination at work...i can pretty much say whatever i want about the scene but that doesn't make it true or accurate. what could he be talking animatedly about? could it be that he was pumping them up? or can it only be things you want them to be?

1. So tell me this... if a player is unhappy with his captain, he is not going to smile at any time? If he smiles at any time, this would mean that he is not unhappy with his captain? Is this what you are saying?

2. Yes, it can be anything anyone wants. I have my opinion, you have yours. You think that a team will feel good when their captain first slaps them in public and then gives them motivational talk... I don't buy that. As simple as that.

[ruchir]

Ruchir,
Your entire set of posts yesterday were all a variation of the same theme--that KKR lacked team spirit. The most potent observation you put forth was that there was no team huddle. It wasn't the quality of the team huddle that you were commenting on but that there was none. The US TV coverage zoomed into the KKR team towards the end and even at that point Dinda felt comfortable smiling & waving. According to viewers outside of the country that had more closeup shots, SG was talking quite animatedly and excitedly with the teammmates.

Apology accepted.

As I said, it is my opinion that KKR now severely lacks team spirit. I presented an example to support my opinion. Those who watched the game, live or replays, would have seen during the match what kind of rapport the team had within. I am in US. I watched the TV coverage you are talking about.

1. Can you explain what do you mean by saying "Dinda felt comfortable smiling & waving."?? What do you think he was smiling about? Who was he waving at? I just want to understand what you mean by writing this.

2. Can you also explain what do think SG was talking about when he was animated and excited? Keeping in mind the position his team was in, he surely wasn't excited about that. He was also probably not excited about the performance of his bowlers. The only thing I can think of, of SG being animated and excited, is that he was admonishing his players for their supposed mistakes. That's team spirit right there. I agree.

Drum-roll........

Ganguly version of team spirit:

[dextrous]

Ruchir,
Your entire set of posts yesterday were all a variation of the same theme--that KKR lacked team spirit. The most potent observation you put forth was that there was no team huddle. It wasn't the quality of the team huddle that you were commenting on but that there was none. The US TV coverage zoomed into the KKR team towards the end and even at that point Dinda felt comfortable smiling & waving. According to viewers outside of the country that had more closeup shots, SG was talking quite animatedly and excitedly with the teammmates.

Apology accepted.

As I said, it is my opinion that KKR now severely lacks team spirit. I presented an example to support my opinion. Those who watched the game, live or replays, would have seen during the match what kind of rapport the team had within. I am in US. I watched the TV coverage you are talking about.

1. Can you explain what do you mean by saying "Dinda felt comfortable smiling & waving."?? What do you think he was smiling about? Who was he waving at? I just want to understand what you mean by writing this.

2. Can you also explain what do think SG was talking about when he was animated and excited? Keeping in mind the position his team was in, he surely wasn't excited about that. He was also probably not excited about the performance of his bowlers. The only thing I can think of, of SG being animated and excited, is that he was admonishing his players for their supposed mistakes. That's team spirit right there. I agree.

Ruchir, let me get this straight--
first you said KKR players looked unhappy. When i pointed out dinda was smiling during the team meeting, you're demanding as to how dare he smile?!

#2...again purely your imagination at work...i can pretty much say whatever i want about the scene but that doesn't make it true or accurate. what could he be talking animatedly about? could it be that he was pumping them up? or can it only be things you want them to be?

1. So tell me this... if a player is unhappy with his captain, he is not going to smile at any time? If he smiles at any time, this would mean that he is not unhappy with his captain? Is this what you are saying?

2. Yes, it can be anything anyone wants. I have my opinion, you have yours. You think that a team will feel good when their captain first slaps them in public and then gives them motivational talk... I don't buy that. As simple as that.

Ruchir, and how does that mean that he's unhappy with his captain? What kind of logic is this!!!!

[ruchir]

Ruchir,
Your entire set of posts yesterday were all a variation of the same theme--that KKR lacked team spirit. The most potent observation you put forth was that there was no team huddle. It wasn't the quality of the team huddle that you were commenting on but that there was none. The US TV coverage zoomed into the KKR team towards the end and even at that point Dinda felt comfortable smiling & waving. According to viewers outside of the country that had more closeup shots, SG was talking quite animatedly and excitedly with the teammmates.

Apology accepted.

As I said, it is my opinion that KKR now severely lacks team spirit. I presented an example to support my opinion. Those who watched the game, live or replays, would have seen during the match what kind of rapport the team had within. I am in US. I watched the TV coverage you are talking about.

1. Can you explain what do you mean by saying "Dinda felt comfortable smiling & waving."?? What do you think he was smiling about? Who was he waving at? I just want to understand what you mean by writing this.

2. Can you also explain what do think SG was talking about when he was animated and excited? Keeping in mind the position his team was in, he surely wasn't excited about that. He was also probably not excited about the performance of his bowlers. The only thing I can think of, of SG being animated and excited, is that he was admonishing his players for their supposed mistakes. That's team spirit right there. I agree.

Ruchir, let me get this straight--
first you said KKR players looked unhappy. When i pointed out dinda was smiling during the team meeting, you're demanding as to how dare he smile?!

#2...again purely your imagination at work...i can pretty much say whatever i want about the scene but that doesn't make it true or accurate. what could he be talking animatedly about? could it be that he was pumping them up? or can it only be things you want them to be?

1. So tell me this... if a player is unhappy with his captain, he is not going to smile at any time? If he smiles at any time, this would mean that he is not unhappy with his captain? Is this what you are saying?

2. Yes, it can be anything anyone wants. I have my opinion, you have yours. You think that a team will feel good when their captain first slaps them in public and then gives them motivational talk... I don't buy that. As simple as that.

Ruchir, and how does that mean that he's unhappy with his captain? What kind of logic is this!!!!

I didn't bring happiness or unhappiness into this argument, you did. I never used the word - Happy.

This is what I wrote:
it is my opinion that KKR now severely lacks team spirit.

and

1. Can you explain what do you mean by saying "Dinda felt comfortable smiling & waving."?? What do you think he was smiling about? Who was he waving at? I just want to understand what you mean by writing this.

I didn't use the word Happy. Then you said:
first you said KKR players looked unhappy.

I picked on your usage of the word Happy. In my comments, I have been only talking about "team spirit" and it's lack thereof.

[keep-it-cool]

SG looked quite resigned at the press conference. First time I have seen that from him.