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Glenn Beck on India
« on: March 24, 2010, 04:41:41 PM »
The man who drives the Republican Party now along with Rush on India:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/A7NUQZiWl6w&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/A7NUQZiWl6w&rel=0</a>
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Re: Glenn Beck on India
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2010, 09:32:41 PM »
It would be prudent to actually listen to Beck in that months old program, before saying that he was bashing India. I watched the whole program so I know what he was talking about.

He was not bashing India or Indian healthcare. He was bashing the idea that US healthcare has a problem because when compared to Indian healthcare, it is costly. He was bashing the comparison because as we all know, 1 USD = 45 INR. There itself lies the difference, is what he explained.

He also said that Indian doctors don't have to buy malpractice insurance, don't have to go order exhaustive tests (because of malpractice lawsuits), therefore they can operate cheaply while US doctors can't. He also explained that Indian doctors don't have to spend same kind of money that US doctors spend on medicine education. He also explained that establishment cost of running a hospital or clinic in India is not even remotely the same as it is of running it in US. He used example of difference in lifestyle in US and India which makes everything in US costlier than it is in India.

He explained the reasons why healthcare is cheaper in India than in US, and it was turned into India bashing by select demented mind (one of which is in the youtube video).

He said one objectionable thing in his entire segment - calling river ganga as "a river with a name like a disease". That was plain wrong, and he should be criticized for it. Whether it was said pre-planned or it was said in the heat of his argument, who knows. That usage was wrong. But that was the only thing wrong in that segment. If you can see the whole segment of comparison of Indian and US healthcare and doctors, this guy's review will look silly.

Again, forget this edited clip. If possible see the entire segment. Beck was not bashing Indian doctors or healthcare. He was bashing the logic of comparing the cost of Indian healthcare and US healthcare.

And this TYT guy says that there are 35000 Indian doctors in US. And what does he want to prove with that? Someone should ask him that why those 35000 doctors chose to come to US rather than practice their trade in India.
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Re: Glenn Beck on India
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2010, 10:14:58 PM »
Oh yeah...Glenn Beck - he is really cute.

Honestly democrats themselves could not have drawn up a better caricature of a dumbass republican so that they entire world could laugh at them.

hahaha...very cute.
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Re: Glenn Beck on India
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2010, 01:21:36 AM »
Dear Ruchir,

I do not think Beck was bashing India either. India is too great an entity to be bashed by an intellectual Lilliput like him. The windbag was merely displaying his customary redneck ignorance, profound lack of education, inability to follow a logical train of thought, ADS, and coarseness. The likes of Irving Kristol and William Buckley must be turning in their graves to see that this man is the current torch bearer of the Conservative movement in the United States.
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Re: Glenn Beck on India
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2010, 01:27:51 AM »
Dear Ruchir,

I do not think Beck was bashing India either. India is too great an entity to be bashed by an intellectual Lilliput like him. The windbag was merely displaying his customary redneck ignorance, profound lack of education, inability to follow a logical train of thought, ADS, and coarseness. The likes of Irving Kristol and William Buckley must be turning in their graves to see that this man is the current torch bearer of the Conservative movement in the United States.

I think a college degree and mandatory viewing of the Buckley-Chomsky debates should be mandatory for anyone who is about to pollute the airwaves.
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Re: Glenn Beck on India
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2010, 05:20:42 AM »
http://www.cspan.org/Watch/watch.aspx?MediaId=HP-A-17660

Interesting panel including John Cochrane.
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Re: Glenn Beck on India
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2010, 09:06:30 AM »
This shows the intellectual bankruptcy of the Republicans and their torch bearers, not different from Mulayam Yadav's comments on Women. There is only one word for this: Sour Grapes.
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Re: Glenn Beck on India
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2010, 12:52:59 PM »
Of course, whenever someone says the truth about Democrats, and Dem supporters can not counter that with rational arguments, they do what they are good at doing -- personal attack on the person.

IMO Beck is a million times more intellectually competent that Obama / Pelosi / Biden / Reid combined... but that's just my opinion.

I would suggest that instead of personally attacking Beck, if you spend some time in telling why you find his arguments objectionable, it would be better. Not that I expect you all to do that....


Having said the above, let me give you some more information. Before joining Fox News, Beck had his program on Headline News and then CNN. In his previous program, Beck was consistently bashing Bush, day in day out. He was bashing Bush for his reckless spending, Medicare Part D, the way Iraq war was being fought, immigration issues, border fence..... I don't think you all know that because A) You don't know a thing about Beck. B) The only information you have about Beck is from these edited clips that gutter level leftists show on their next to nothing programs. C) You all probably don't take the time to know the reality about an issue. D) CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS never played those clips on their programs where he was bashing Bush, and since these channels are your ONLY source of information you don't get full information.

Till Bush was the president, Beck was bashing him. Beck was thinking like you guys thought of Bush, but you don't care about that because he was not praising Dems or Obama.

Since Obama became president, Beck has been bashing Obama for the same reasons he was bashing Bush and then some because of Obama's leftist leanings and his ultra leftist advisers.

Instead of criticizing Beck personally, it would be better to explain where he is wrong.
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Re: Glenn Beck on India
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2010, 02:11:15 PM »
Of course, whenever someone says the truth about Democrats, and Dem supporters can not counter that with rational arguments, they do what they are good at doing -- personal attack on the person.

IMO Beck is a million times more intellectually competent that Obama / Pelosi / Biden / Reid combined... but that's just my opinion.

I would suggest that instead of personally attacking Beck, if you spend some time in telling why you find his arguments objectionable, it would be better. Not that I expect you all to do that....


Having said the above, let me give you some more information. Before joining Fox News, Beck had his program on Headline News and then CNN. In his previous program, Beck was consistently bashing Bush, day in day out. He was bashing Bush for his reckless spending, Medicare Part D, the way Iraq war was being fought, immigration issues, border fence..... I don't think you all know that because A) You don't know a thing about Beck. B) The only information you have about Beck is from these edited clips that gutter level leftists show on their next to nothing programs. C) You all probably don't take the time to know the reality about an issue. D) CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS never played those clips on their programs where he was bashing Bush, and since these channels are your ONLY source of information you don't get full information.

Till Bush was the president, Beck was bashing him. Beck was thinking like you guys thought of Bush, but you don't care about that because he was not praising Dems or Obama.

Since Obama became president, Beck has been bashing Obama for the same reasons he was bashing Bush and then some because of Obama's leftist leanings and his ultra leftist advisers.

Instead of criticizing Beck personally, it would be better to explain where he is wrong.

I'll refrain from getting into debating ideologies (that, is inveitably, where this would end up)

Suffice to say, that Beck's current employer has hired him for a role that has led most sane human beings to smirk/snigger/chuckle/chortle/guffaw through his performance. His previous employer probably asked him to act as a newsperson. We should be so thankful...
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Re: Glenn Beck on India
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2010, 02:51:07 PM »

 that has led most sane human beings to

Who are these sane human beings? Sane - from your point of view..right?

Again, not interested in discussing ideologies..

also, full disclosure - I think GB rambles and makes sense about 20% of the time and his combination with the pompous O'reilly is pure TV spectacle ..more than anything else. Strangely and perversely enough, when I have time, I listen to all blowhards - Olbermann, Matthews, Maddow, Beck, O'reilly, Hannity - just to get the spin from both sides.
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Re: Glenn Beck on India
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2010, 02:58:45 PM »
This shows the intellectual bankruptcy of the Republicans and their torch bearers, not different from Mulayam Yadav's comments on Women. There is only one word for this: Sour Grapes.
Here we go .. that  word "intellectual" again...the crutch these days used by those who have run out of ideas. Somehow today intellectual is a word that is far from intelligence and common sense.

Know of any politician (let alone party) who is intellectually "rich"? Your statement above is a strange generalization and probably reflects your biases more than anything else

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Re: Glenn Beck on India
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2010, 02:59:21 PM »
Remember we can have all spin doctors, racists, republicans et.al all speak and blow things up as long as we have leaders like Kennedy, Clinton, Obama in charge.  Since we have almost 7 years of Obama left America and the World is in good hands as opposed the Bush's and Reagan etc. who have no clue excepting sucking up to lobbyists and vested interests.  I once heard that when some one asked Bush how much is 2 + 2 equals he looked irked at the question and said 3.   Even Reagan I believe had similar skills. :)
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Re: Glenn Beck on India
« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2010, 03:06:18 PM »
It would be prudent to actually listen to Beck in that months old program, before saying that he was bashing India. I watched the whole program so I know what he was talking about.

He was not bashing India or Indian healthcare. He was bashing the idea that US healthcare has a problem because when compared to Indian healthcare, it is costly. He was bashing the comparison because as we all know, 1 USD = 45 INR. There itself lies the difference, is what he explained.

He also said that Indian doctors don't have to buy malpractice insurance, don't have to go order exhaustive tests (because of malpractice lawsuits), therefore they can operate cheaply while US doctors can't. He also explained that Indian doctors don't have to spend same kind of money that US doctors spend on medicine education. He also explained that establishment cost of running a hospital or clinic in India is not even remotely the same as it is of running it in US. He used example of difference in lifestyle in US and India which makes everything in US costlier than it is in India.

He explained the reasons why healthcare is cheaper in India than in US, and it was turned into India bashing by select demented mind (one of which is in the youtube video).

He said one objectionable thing in his entire segment - calling river ganga as "a river with a name like a disease". That was plain wrong, and he should be criticized for it. Whether it was said pre-planned or it was said in the heat of his argument, who knows. That usage was wrong. But that was the only thing wrong in that segment. If you can see the whole segment of comparison of Indian and US healthcare and doctors, this guy's review will look silly.

Again, forget this edited clip. If possible see the entire segment. Beck was not bashing Indian doctors or healthcare. He was bashing the logic of comparing the cost of Indian healthcare and US healthcare.

And this TYT guy says that there are 35000 Indian doctors in US. And what does he want to prove with that? Someone should ask him that why those 35000 doctors chose to come to US rather than practice their trade in India.
one word BS..he explained why it is cheap in India eh?  by comparing original gooch bags with those sold on NY streets?

what the heck Ruchir, if you like republicans , fine, but don't be an apologist for this fool.

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Re: Glenn Beck on India
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2010, 03:07:45 PM »
Ruchir,

Pray do not insult my intelligence. The point is not who Beck is bashing. The point is that he talks drivel, whichever direction he is going. He is the patron saint of a white trash, uneducated, insular, racist, fundamentalist Christian constituency who have a visceral hatred for them "educated elites" of the North. These people revel in paranoia and conspiracy theories to cover up for their own short comings. I feel like laughing when Beck looks at the screen and tells his audience: "They think they know better than you." Well yes, as a matter of fact they do! The pick up truck driving, beer guzzling, mullet sporting hobos of the mid west and the south (who largely make Beck's audience) would not be able to run this country or this economy for even 24 hours if the coastal elites, granola bar eating liberals, and the multicultural professional class went away. They know it. What Beck feeds is a deep seated, impotent resentment.

Take a look at the latest reports and videos of the Texas Board of Education meetings and you will know what will happen if Beck and his ilk inherit the earth.

And please do not talk about the current Republican Party. It now caters to the absolute dregs of their base in a most cynical manner. The GOP has taken mendacity, hypocrisy and cynicism to the level of fine art. I feel sick when they cry themselves hoarse about financial responsibility when the CBO gave the current Health Bill a clean chit. The CBO might be wrong, but it did predict that Bush tax cut 1 would add 1 trillion to the deficit, Medicare D would notch up 350 million, and Bush Tax cut part deux another 394 million or thereabouts. Where was financial responsibility then? This I say leaving the Iraq war out of the picture. Remember, as Dick Cheney repeatedly reminded us back then, it was Reagan who said that deficits do not matter.

It sounds comical when people say that less than 40 percent income tax for the super rich is socialism. It was north of seventy percent between the 50s and early seventies. Those, BTW, are widely accounted for my even conservative economists as the most prosperous years in the United States. By current GOP rhetoric, Dwight Eisenhower and Richard Nixon would be commies two times over. America did not have Progressive Income Tax till 1912. That created the gilded age. We know what followed thereafter. There is also talk about socialism when there is talk about financial regulation. Here is what Paul Krugman (who knows a thing or two more about economics than Beck or Palin) has had to say recently:

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/23/jamie-dimon-was-right/

"Jamie Dimon was right.

About the 19th century, that is.

Dimon was castigated by many people, me included, for saying that a financial crisis is “the type of thing that happens every five, ten, seven, years.” Hey, no big deal.

But that is the way banking worked once upon a time. I’m reading Gary Gorton’s Slapped by the Invisible Hand, which tells us that there were bank panics — systemic crises — in 1873, 1884, 1890, 1893, 1896, 1907, and 1914.

On the other hand, there were no systemic crises from 1934 to 2007.

The problem, as Gorton makes clear, is that the Quiet Period reflected a combination of deposit insurance and strong regulation — undermined by the rise of shadow banking. So we have a choice: restore effective regulation or go back to the bad old days.

Lately, Beck the idiot has been calling on his Christian brotherhood to leave any Church that talks about Social Justice. He of course does not understand that that would leave his flock with very few options. The Roman Catholic Church (first modern social and cyclical written by Pope Leo XIII in 1891 - rerun novarum updated on the 40th, 80th, and 100th anniversary by Pius XI, Paul VI, and John Paul II) always talked about social justice. John the 23's Pacheminterris (Peace on Earth) in the early sixties was basically a new deal document. The US Conference of Bishops, in the 1970s issued a Pastoral Letter called "Economic Justice for All." Social justice has been a major concern among mainline and liberal, and also certain branches of Evangelical Protestantism for the last two centuries. The Abolitionist movement caused the rift between the Northern Baptist and the Southern Baptist Churches. I will not even bring up Liberation Theologies in both Americas, both of Catholic and Protestant moorings. With those major Christian traditions out of the way, what are we left with?

Ayatollah Beck has been going after Rooseveltian 'Progressivism" (begins with Teddy, not FDR) in recent times. He has had the temerity to say that Progressivism leads to fascism. Oh wonderful! Perhaps America should have remained exactly as it was once the constitution was written. 'Progressivism' across the centuries yielded these 'fascistic' things: slavery ended, women got the vote, segregation was done away with, Civil rights, basic minimum wage, work day, laborer rights, worker benefits, abortion rights, gay rights, and a hundred other things. I challenge Beck to declare to his own constituency that they should forfeit their social security, medicare, and medicaid. They are all 'doles' of the Welfare State that were decried as socialist when they were launched and are now universally popular. Ronald Reagan ran ads against Medicare, calling it a socialist plot to take over the medical sector. 

The hypocrisy of these people know no boundaries. The Republican Party (actually a good bit of the Democratic Party too) are controlled by a bunch of mean spirited, super rich Plutocrats who are in the game only to line their own pockets and those of their friends. For that they are willing to spend billions of public funds to bomb and kill thousands across the globe. They come from the class that gives itself golden parachutes when companies fail and thousands lose their jobs. They come from the class that takes an undeserved cut of the winnings (average CEO pay was fifty times that of the average worker during the seventies; now it has gone up by several hundred percent; the CEOs have suddenly become brilliant and the average worker has become lazy) and wants their losses to be socialized through doles. And yet, speak a word against them, it will be unpatriotic and communistic. However, when it comes to a few dollars to give kids from poor, struggling humanity a head start in life, or to take care of the old and the sick, these people are crude and blathering obstructionists. Oliver Wendel Holmes once said that taxes are paid as price for civilization. It is civilization that Beck and his gang do not believe in.
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Re: Glenn Beck on India
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2010, 03:15:56 PM »
Remember we can have all spin doctors, racists, republicans et.al all speak and blow things up as long as we have leaders like Kennedy, Clinton, Obama in charge.  Since we have almost 7 years of Obama left America and the World is in good hands as opposed the Bush's and Reagan etc. who have no clue excepting sucking up to lobbyists and vested interests.  I once heard that when some one asked Bush how much is 2 + 2 equals he looked irked at the question and said 3.   Even Reagan I believe had similar skills. :)

I supported Obama before elections but now I don't like him..he is screwing with India just like every other democratic president ( potential nuclear deal to pak, heavy military deals to pak, ignoring LET, poking head into water issues,headely, not giving enough advance notice over 26/11..it is 1980s/90s all over again....they are indirectly basically killing indians)...

.not sure why democrats invariably mess with India while republicans are by and large pretty good for India..shared democratic, liberal values , diversity etc. etc. all go out te window when democrats formulate their foreign policy.
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« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2010, 03:34:11 PM »
Remember we can have all spin doctors, racists, republicans et.al all speak and blow things up as long as we have leaders like Kennedy, Clinton, Obama in charge.  Since we have almost 7 years of Obama left America and the World is in good hands as opposed the Bush's and Reagan etc. who have no clue excepting sucking up to lobbyists and vested interests.  I once heard that when some one asked Bush how much is 2 + 2 equals he looked irked at the question and said 3.   Even Reagan I believe had similar skills. :)

I supported Obama before elections but now I don't like him..he is screwing with India just like every other democratic president ( potential nuclear deal to pak, heavy military deals to pak, ignoring LET, poking head into water issues,headely, not giving enough advance notice over 26/11..it is 1980s/90s all over again....they are indirectly basically killing indians)...

.not sure why democrats invariably mess with India while republicans are by and large pretty good for India..shared democratic, liberal values , diversity etc. etc. all go out te window when democrats formulate their foreign policy.

True, but it is a catch 22 situation thanks to the powerful military class in Pakistan who have been obsessed with India. The Pak military has been too habituated to needle India as much as possible, and Islamic fundamentalism has received a boost because of that. Now the difficult task is to get the same military establishment to shift their eyes from India and target their former allies like the Taliban. There have been some progress in that direction. At this stage if the US begins to get cozy with India, the same quarters of the Pak military will panic and resume their anti-India machinations.

India does not need any active help from the US. She can stand on her own feet. On the other hand, if this phase of US-Pak relations leads to the eventual cleaning up of the Pak military, the stabilization of democracy, and the obliteration of Islamic fundamentalism there, I am happy. The reverse scenario: the balkanization of Pakistan and a theocracy there, would be a greater problem for India.

From Obama's perspective, cozying up to India when the domestic job scenario is yet to improve would also send the wrong signals. People would think that the path to more outsourcing is being paved, despite the fact that the US president can do very little to stop or encourage outsourcing.

I think this distance between the US and India is an outcome of strategic real-politic thinking, American style. It is temporary and of no great consequence. In the long run, the US needs India to keep China in check.
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Re: Glenn Beck on India
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2010, 03:41:44 PM »
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Pray do not insult my intelligence.

I think you did that yourself ..with the paragraph below. The stereotyping and vitriol (if intentional) is mind-boggling.

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The point is not who Beck is bashing. The point is that he talks drivel, whichever direction he is going. He is the patron saint of a white trash, uneducated, insular, racist, fundamentalist Christian constituency who have a visceral hatred for them "educated elites" of the North. These people revel in paranoia and conspiracy theories to cover up for their own short comings. I feel like laughing when Beck looks at the screen and tells his audience: "They think they know better than you." Well yes, as a matter of fact they do! The pick up truck driving, beer guzzling, mullet sporting hobos of the mid west and the south (who largely make Beck's audience) would not be able to run this country or this economy for even 24 hours if the coastal elites, granola bar eating liberals, and the multicultural professional class went away. They know it. What Beck feeds is a deep seated, impotent resentment

Your name-calling is regrettable.

I know of many so-called white trash, uneducated, pick up truck driving, beer guzzling ..who run fine companies and support the livelihood of many people.

Have you ever met a payroll in your life? I think - perhaps not. It is much much harder than sitting in a cushy tenured for life, insulated from real-life professorial job pontificating and intellectualizing.. and generalizing ;D

Go meet some of these people (rather than limiting your mingling and hanging out to your academic cocoon).. you will be surprised how street-smart they are, how much they instinctively understand "what is right" and "what is not".. yes, they drink beer, they hunt, they go to their churches, drive pick-up truck, carry guns etc (BTW, I do not do any of these - but I understand why they do - and that is the key!)...but they get it sometimes more than you and I (the intellectual types)
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Re: Glenn Beck on India
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2010, 04:09:39 PM »
Remember we can have all spin doctors, racists, republicans et.al all speak and blow things up as long as we have leaders like Kennedy, Clinton, Obama in charge.  Since we have almost 7 years of Obama left America and the World is in good hands as opposed the Bush's and Reagan etc. who have no clue excepting sucking up to lobbyists and vested interests.  I once heard that when some one asked Bush how much is 2 + 2 equals he looked irked at the question and said 3.   Even Reagan I believe had similar skills. :)

I supported Obama before elections but now I don't like him..he is screwing with India just like every other democratic president ( potential nuclear deal to pak, heavy military deals to pak, ignoring LET, poking head into water issues,headely, not giving enough advance notice over 26/11..it is 1980s/90s all over again....they are indirectly basically killing indians)...

.not sure why democrats invariably mess with India while republicans are by and large pretty good for India..shared democratic, liberal values , diversity etc. etc. all go out te window when democrats formulate their foreign policy.

True, but it is a catch 22 situation thanks to the powerful military class in Pakistan who have been obsessed with India. The Pak military has been too habituated to needle India as much as possible, and Islamic fundamentalism has received a boost because of that. Now the difficult task is to get the same military establishment to shift their eyes from India and target their former allies like the Taliban. There have been some progress in that direction. At this stage if the US begins to get cozy with India, the same quarters of the Pak military will panic and resume their anti-India machinations.

India does not need any active help from the US. She can stand on her own feet. On the other hand, if this phase of US-Pak relations leads to the eventual cleaning up of the Pak military, the stabilization of democracy, and the obliteration of Islamic fundamentalism there, I am happy. The reverse scenario: the balkanization of Pakistan and a theocracy there, would be a greater problem for India.

From Obama's perspective, cozying up to India when the domestic job scenario is yet to improve would also send the wrong signals. People would think that the path to more outsourcing is being paved, despite the fact that the US president can do very little to stop or encourage outsourcing.

I think this distance between the US and India is an outcome of strategic real-politic thinking, American style. It is temporary and of no great consequence. In the long run, the US needs India to keep China in check.
CLR, sorry I don't share neither your optimism about eventual results nor your assessment that balkanisation of Pak is not in our interest..if we din't balkanize pak in 70s, we would have had 2 paks on both sides today...now we have a friendly, secular govt. on east which is doing its best to curb terror on its land.

US, as is its habit, doesn't care about the eventual scenario, right now  it is simply interested in an honourable exit from afpak..thats about it..and they are going to do it by screwing India by arming Pak to the teeth..remember history, each time US armed pak for sometime, we have had a war on our hands.Pak army, irrespective of global situations, democracy, economy etc. etc., all thru the yrs maintained a steady hate India thinking..to somehow think that Obama has a magic wand to change that is BS. In addition, there is no evidence that they are interested in any reform in Pak in any form, neither military nor civilian. There is no evidence to show that they are taking steps to strengthen civilian govt., there is simply no evidence to hope that they are working to clean the army of extremist strains. As usual they are simply using pak army as a dog to do their bidding.

its very simple, pak army hates us, if US cozies upto them and gives them billions of dollars of arms and to somehow think that it will be in our long term interest is naive and BS.
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« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2010, 04:15:17 PM »
So WN you are saying Beck is a good white truck driver from the South who is misunderstood. :)
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« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2010, 04:17:48 PM »
Keep it going while I enjoy the MI-CSK match.  Makes for a good reading.  It had been a while since I have seen people insult each other and flare up things. It looks good as of now but we need to keep it going further.
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« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2010, 04:27:56 PM »
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Pray do not insult my intelligence.

I think you did that yourself ..with the paragraph below. The stereotyping and vitriol (if intentional) is mind-boggling.

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The point is not who Beck is bashing. The point is that he talks drivel, whichever direction he is going. He is the patron saint of a white trash, uneducated, insular, racist, fundamentalist Christian constituency who have a visceral hatred for them "educated elites" of the North. These people revel in paranoia and conspiracy theories to cover up for their own short comings. I feel like laughing when Beck looks at the screen and tells his audience: "They think they know better than you." Well yes, as a matter of fact they do! The pick up truck driving, beer guzzling, mullet sporting hobos of the mid west and the south (who largely make Beck's audience) would not be able to run this country or this economy for even 24 hours if the coastal elites, granola bar eating liberals, and the multicultural professional class went away. They know it. What Beck feeds is a deep seated, impotent resentment

Your name-calling is regrettable.

I know of many so-called white trash, uneducated, pick up truck driving, beer guzzling ..who run fine companies and support the livelihood of many people.

Have you ever met a payroll in your life? I think - perhaps not. It is much much harder than sitting in a cushy tenured for life, insulated from real-life professorial job pontificating and intellectualizing.. and generalizing ;D

Go meet some of these people (rather than limiting your mingling and hanging out to your academic cocoon).. you will be surprised how street-smart they are, how much they instinctively understand "what is right" and "what is not".. yes, they drink beer, they hunt, they go to their churches, drive pick-up truck, carry guns etc (BTW, I do not do any of these - but I understand why they do - and that is the key!)...but they get it sometimes more than you and I (the intellectual types)

Please, WN.

I am sure that there is a large majority of the so-called white trash who are far too xenophobic to engage in conversation with the likes of you and me. We are clearly referring to this segment. Unfortunately they and too many others have been conned by the likes of Beck into falling for a Us vs Them mindset.

In fact, this is precisely the point for me. Beck, Coulter and Hannity are the voice of the Republcans. It is enough to make you want to stay the hell away from the Republicans and go with whatever is being offered by the other side.

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« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2010, 05:20:17 PM »
Please, WN.

I am sure that there is a large majority of the so-called white trash who are far too xenophobic to engage in conversation with the likes of you and me. We are clearly referring to this segment. Unfortunately they and too many others have been conned by the likes of Beck into falling for a Us vs Them mindset.

Oh please, Jiet.

How are you sure that there is a large majority of the so-called white trash that are far too xenophobic. Have you surveyed them, is there a scientific study you can point to or have you interacted with them or is this just from "what you have heard". (I will give you the synopsis of my routine interactions with this so called segment later this weekend!)

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In fact, this is precisely the point for me. Beck, Coulter and Hannity are the voice of the Republcans. It is enough to make you want to stay the hell away from the Republicans and go with whatever is being offered by the other side.

Ha ha.. so you go from one set of blowhards to the other. Got it.
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« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2010, 05:38:28 PM »
Oh please, Jiet.

How are you sure that there is a large majority of the so-called white trash that are far too xenophobic. Have you surveyed them, is there a scientific study you can point to or have you interacted with them or is this just from "what you have heard". (I will give you the synopsis of my routine interactions with this so called segment later this weekend!)

I am positive that you have had limited interaction with the so-called white trash that I am talking about.  I am sure I know the type that you are referring to and they are not the same.

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Ha ha.. so you go from one set of blowhards to the other. Got it.

I guess that is where my definition of sane comes in and where this exchage should end. Nice talking.


BTW, still did not get anything from you regarding the Pepper's trade: should i adhere to formality and bring it up in another thread ?   :D
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« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2010, 05:42:23 PM »
BTW, still did not get anything from you regarding the Pepper's trade: should i adhere to formality and bring it up in another thread ?   :D
Seriously, donno what you are talking about.
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« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2010, 05:43:58 PM »
BTW, still did not get anything from you regarding the Pepper's trade: should i adhere to formality and bring it up in another thread ?   :D
Seriously, donno what you are talking about.

oh....Julius Peppers to Chicago. Nothing to do with seasoning.
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« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2010, 06:01:24 PM »
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Pray do not insult my intelligence.

I think you did that yourself ..with the paragraph below. The stereotyping and vitriol (if intentional) is mind-boggling.

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The point is not who Beck is bashing. The point is that he talks drivel, whichever direction he is going. He is the patron saint of a white trash, uneducated, insular, racist, fundamentalist Christian constituency who have a visceral hatred for them "educated elites" of the North. These people revel in paranoia and conspiracy theories to cover up for their own short comings. I feel like laughing when Beck looks at the screen and tells his audience: "They think they know better than you." Well yes, as a matter of fact they do! The pick up truck driving, beer guzzling, mullet sporting hobos of the mid west and the south (who largely make Beck's audience) would not be able to run this country or this economy for even 24 hours if the coastal elites, granola bar eating liberals, and the multicultural professional class went away. They know it. What Beck feeds is a deep seated, impotent resentment

Your name-calling is regrettable.

I know of many so-called white trash, uneducated, pick up truck driving, beer guzzling ..who run fine companies and support the livelihood of many people.

Have you ever met a payroll in your life? I think - perhaps not. It is much much harder than sitting in a cushy tenured for life, insulated from real-life professorial job pontificating and intellectualizing.. and generalizing ;D

Go meet some of these people (rather than limiting your mingling and hanging out to your academic cocoon).. you will be surprised how street-smart they are, how much they instinctively understand "what is right" and "what is not".. yes, they drink beer, they hunt, they go to their churches, drive pick-up truck, carry guns etc (BTW, I do not do any of these - but I understand why they do - and that is the key!)...but they get it sometimes more than you and I (the intellectual types)

You cannot stereotype a recognized demographic population. From political commentators to politicos themselves, people talk about Dixiecrats, blue dog democrats, rednecks etc. These are indeed abstract identities. Stereotyping happens when you impose that abstract identity on specific individuals. Ergo, I will never assume in advance that a certain John Smith from Idaho (even if he drives a pick up truck) is necessarily the subject I describe above. It is a different matter that if I meet a hundred John Smiths in the mid west or in the South, a good percentage will turn out to be complex incarnations (for human beings are complex people) of the same abstract identity I was talking about.

You stereotyped me. You imposed a cliched idea about so called 'tunnel visioned' academics on me. You assumed that I live in a cocoon and have no idea about the 'real world,' the knowledge of which you and many country club going rich white republicans seem to monopolize. You did that without knowing me, my background or the kind of life I currently lead.

Now to answer some specific questions:

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Have you ever met a payroll in your life? I think - perhaps not. It is much much harder than sitting in a cushy tenured for life, insulated from real-life professorial job pontificating and intellectualizing.. and generalizing


1. Yes, as a matter of fact I have met a payroll in my life. I ran my father's private limited company for seven years after his death in 1992. It was not huge. I had a total of 93 employees, but I also started when I was 21 and must have done not too badly, because the company was sold in 2001 at a price several times more than when I had inherited it. Apart from that, I have worked as a journalist, as an advertiser, and as a film maker. People who know me know that I left those careers not because I was not doing well, but because I was more interested in a life of the mind, even if it was far less lucrative. And please, I do not pontificate; that is tell individuals what to do with their lives or what they should believe in. I state opinions amidst a debate based on facts. Drawing from an informed historical perspective based on reading and knowledge is a bad thing only for Beck acolytes I would think, because Beck says things with impunity without even having the basic education to realize that what he is saying is either disingenuous, absurd, or in a plain sense, factually wrong.

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I know of many so-called white trash, uneducated, pick up truck driving, beer guzzling ..who run fine companies and support the livelihood of many people.

What has that have to do with what we were talking about? So you think it is justified and fine if a small business owner thumps a Bible and tells women whether they can use birth control or avail abortion, if gays should marry or just disappear, or blacks should remain second class citizens? I was speaking, once again, not about Joe so and so who might be a nice chap, but a voluble segment of the population who want to keep government and taxes out of everything, but are very much interested in using governmental power and governmental funds to impose their sectarian values on everyone else. They rant about freedom, but do not believe that people who believe differently should have the freedom to do so.

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Go meet some of these people (rather than limiting your mingling and hanging out to your academic cocoon).. you will be surprised how street-smart they are, how much they instinctively understand "what is right" and "what is not".. yes, they drink beer, they hunt, they go to their churches, drive pick-up truck, carry guns etc (BTW, I do not do any of these - but I understand why they do - and that is the key!)...but they get it sometimes more than you and I (the intellectual types)

There you go again. You have very definitive ideas about what kind of people I know and hang out with. You forget that I teach in a Big Ten State University. My students often do not come from very rich and affluent families. That aside, I do not see any reason why 'street smarts' should be any superior to an expert's. To continue the analogy, the gutter is right next to the street. What evidence do you have that their "intuitive" understanding of what is good ("American") and what is bad ("Socialism" or Obama is a socialist) is better than say a history professor who has a much better, nuanced historical understanding of what socialism exactly means? On the contrary, there is a lot of evidence that the world views of the abstract identity that I talk about are often narrow, hyper localized, xenophobic, and increasingly anachronistic and dangerous in our fast globalizing world. Romanticizing populist prejudices and speaking for an 'authentic' voice of the people (the volk, the peasantry, the working class) have always been suspect because they have produced grotesque abominations in recent history: think Stalinism, think Nazism, think Fascism.

Education does not necessarily have to determine who votes right and who votes left, but in the US, thanks to demagogues like Palin, Beck, Hannity, and Limbaugh, that polarization has taken place. Why does a pew research poll show that only 6 percent of all scientists in the US vote republican? Why is it generally true that people with college degrees vote democrat or green party overwhelmingly more than they vote republican? This was not always the case. It is only recently that people like David Frum are lamenting the final demise of species that were endangered by the neo-con order of the Bush years: the Rockefellerian Conservative or the fiscal republican.

Nope, as far as the red neck constituency I was talking about, they do not get it more than me.


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« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2010, 06:34:00 PM »
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Pray do not insult my intelligence.

I think you did that yourself ..with the paragraph below. The stereotyping and vitriol (if intentional) is mind-boggling.

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The point is not who Beck is bashing. The point is that he talks drivel, whichever direction he is going. He is the patron saint of a white trash, uneducated, insular, racist, fundamentalist Christian constituency who have a visceral hatred for them "educated elites" of the North. These people revel in paranoia and conspiracy theories to cover up for their own short comings. I feel like laughing when Beck looks at the screen and tells his audience: "They think they know better than you." Well yes, as a matter of fact they do! The pick up truck driving, beer guzzling, mullet sporting hobos of the mid west and the south (who largely make Beck's audience) would not be able to run this country or this economy for even 24 hours if the coastal elites, granola bar eating liberals, and the multicultural professional class went away. They know it. What Beck feeds is a deep seated, impotent resentment

Your name-calling is regrettable.

I know of many so-called white trash, uneducated, pick up truck driving, beer guzzling ..who run fine companies and support the livelihood of many people.

Have you ever met a payroll in your life? I think - perhaps not. It is much much harder than sitting in a cushy tenured for life, insulated from real-life professorial job pontificating and intellectualizing.. and generalizing ;D

Go meet some of these people (rather than limiting your mingling and hanging out to your academic cocoon).. you will be surprised how street-smart they are, how much they instinctively understand "what is right" and "what is not".. yes, they drink beer, they hunt, they go to their churches, drive pick-up truck, carry guns etc (BTW, I do not do any of these - but I understand why they do - and that is the key!)...but they get it sometimes more than you and I (the intellectual types)

Hmm, curious about where you meet these people because I don't seem to encounter them at my workplace a whole lot.
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1. Yes, as a matter of fact I have met a payroll in my life. I ran my father's private limited company for seven years after his death in 1992. It was not huge. I had a total of 93 employees, but I also started when I was 21 and must have done not too badly, because the company was sold in 2001 at a price several times more than when I had inherited it.
Nice. Didn't know about it. An academic CEO!
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« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2010, 07:32:18 PM »
BTW, still did not get anything from you regarding the Pepper's trade: should i adhere to formality and bring it up in another thread ?   :D
Seriously, donno what you are talking about.

oh....Julius Peppers to Chicago. Nothing to do with seasoning.
Looks like WN lost the handle on that one.

Have heard a lot about the Pepper's trade on talk radio recently.

As long as the dude stays injury free it is a decent pick up as the guy has talent and can play.  Simple as that.  So let us see how well he has recovered from his injuries.  There is surely an element of risk there by not being able to recover your investment.  Worth the risk though given the upside of Julius turning out injury free and fit.  Hope that answers it.

Now back to racist republican debate the party that should be routed out of the U.S.. :)
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« Reply #29 on: March 25, 2010, 07:41:37 PM »
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Pray do not insult my intelligence.

I think you did that yourself ..with the paragraph below. The stereotyping and vitriol (if intentional) is mind-boggling.

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The point is not who Beck is bashing. The point is that he talks drivel, whichever direction he is going. He is the patron saint of a white trash, uneducated, insular, racist, fundamentalist Christian constituency who have a visceral hatred for them "educated elites" of the North. These people revel in paranoia and conspiracy theories to cover up for their own short comings. I feel like laughing when Beck looks at the screen and tells his audience: "They think they know better than you." Well yes, as a matter of fact they do! The pick up truck driving, beer guzzling, mullet sporting hobos of the mid west and the south (who largely make Beck's audience) would not be able to run this country or this economy for even 24 hours if the coastal elites, granola bar eating liberals, and the multicultural professional class went away. They know it. What Beck feeds is a deep seated, impotent resentment

Your name-calling is regrettable.

I know of many so-called white trash, uneducated, pick up truck driving, beer guzzling ..who run fine companies and support the livelihood of many people.

Have you ever met a payroll in your life? I think - perhaps not. It is much much harder than sitting in a cushy tenured for life, insulated from real-life professorial job pontificating and intellectualizing.. and generalizing ;D

Go meet some of these people (rather than limiting your mingling and hanging out to your academic cocoon).. you will be surprised how street-smart they are, how much they instinctively understand "what is right" and "what is not".. yes, they drink beer, they hunt, they go to their churches, drive pick-up truck, carry guns etc (BTW, I do not do any of these - but I understand why they do - and that is the key!)...but they get it sometimes more than you and I (the intellectual types)

Hmm, curious about where you meet these people because I don't seem to encounter them at my workplace a whole lot.
WN doesn't meet them or encounters them.  He envisions them to be somewhere out there.
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« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2010, 08:20:20 PM »
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Pray do not insult my intelligence.

I think you did that yourself ..with the paragraph below. The stereotyping and vitriol (if intentional) is mind-boggling.

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The point is not who Beck is bashing. The point is that he talks drivel, whichever direction he is going. He is the patron saint of a white trash, uneducated, insular, racist, fundamentalist Christian constituency who have a visceral hatred for them "educated elites" of the North. These people revel in paranoia and conspiracy theories to cover up for their own short comings. I feel like laughing when Beck looks at the screen and tells his audience: "They think they know better than you." Well yes, as a matter of fact they do! The pick up truck driving, beer guzzling, mullet sporting hobos of the mid west and the south (who largely make Beck's audience) would not be able to run this country or this economy for even 24 hours if the coastal elites, granola bar eating liberals, and the multicultural professional class went away. They know it. What Beck feeds is a deep seated, impotent resentment

Your name-calling is regrettable.

I know of many so-called white trash, uneducated, pick up truck driving, beer guzzling ..who run fine companies and support the livelihood of many people.

Have you ever met a payroll in your life? I think - perhaps not. It is much much harder than sitting in a cushy tenured for life, insulated from real-life professorial job pontificating and intellectualizing.. and generalizing ;D

Go meet some of these people (rather than limiting your mingling and hanging out to your academic cocoon).. you will be surprised how street-smart they are, how much they instinctively understand "what is right" and "what is not".. yes, they drink beer, they hunt, they go to their churches, drive pick-up truck, carry guns etc (BTW, I do not do any of these - but I understand why they do - and that is the key!)...but they get it sometimes more than you and I (the intellectual types)

Hmm, curious about where you meet these people because I don't seem to encounter them at my workplace a whole lot.
WN doesn't meet them or encounters them.  He envisions them to be somewhere out there.

Maybe WN thinks those rich North Scottsdale residents are actually rednecks...so he's started to believe he knows a lot of them? Hmmm.
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« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2010, 08:31:19 PM »
glenn beck is obviously an ass. however, democrats and republicans are all the same.

today india is being colonised by america like never before, thanks to american plants in top govt. positions. the day is not far when english speaking bollywood films will be top grossers. nuclear deal, nuclear liability bill, foreign university bill. next will come foreign government bill.

india had only one friend, russia, who till this day has no dealings with the terrorist state of pakistan. never did russia try to russkify india (apart from a few sumitranandan pants getting lifelong supply of vodka from the kgb..).
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« Reply #33 on: March 26, 2010, 08:53:26 AM »
This is the most recent one by JS on GB:

                       http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-march-18-2010/conservative-libertarian

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CLR : will respond to your post this weekend.

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Pray do not insult my intelligence.

I think you did that yourself ..with the paragraph below. The stereotyping and vitriol (if intentional) is mind-boggling.

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The point is not who Beck is bashing. The point is that he talks drivel, whichever direction he is going. He is the patron saint of a white trash, uneducated, insular, racist, fundamentalist Christian constituency who have a visceral hatred for them "educated elites" of the North. These people revel in paranoia and conspiracy theories to cover up for their own short comings. I feel like laughing when Beck looks at the screen and tells his audience: "They think they know better than you." Well yes, as a matter of fact they do! The pick up truck driving, beer guzzling, mullet sporting hobos of the mid west and the south (who largely make Beck's audience) would not be able to run this country or this economy for even 24 hours if the coastal elites, granola bar eating liberals, and the multicultural professional class went away. They know it. What Beck feeds is a deep seated, impotent resentment

Your name-calling is regrettable.

I know of many so-called white trash, uneducated, pick up truck driving, beer guzzling ..who run fine companies and support the livelihood of many people.

Have you ever met a payroll in your life? I think - perhaps not. It is much much harder than sitting in a cushy tenured for life, insulated from real-life professorial job pontificating and intellectualizing.. and generalizing ;D

Go meet some of these people (rather than limiting your mingling and hanging out to your academic cocoon).. you will be surprised how street-smart they are, how much they instinctively understand "what is right" and "what is not".. yes, they drink beer, they hunt, they go to their churches, drive pick-up truck, carry guns etc (BTW, I do not do any of these - but I understand why they do - and that is the key!)...but they get it sometimes more than you and I (the intellectual types)

Hmm, curious about where you meet these people because I don't seem to encounter them at my workplace a whole lot.
WN doesn't meet them or encounters them.  He envisions them to be somewhere out there.

Maybe WN thinks those rich North Scottsdale residents are actually rednecks...so he's started to believe he knows a lot of them? Hmmm.
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« Reply #36 on: March 26, 2010, 03:38:33 PM »
BTW, still did not get anything from you regarding the Pepper's trade: should i adhere to formality and bring it up in another thread ?   :D
Seriously, donno what you are talking about.

oh....Julius Peppers to Chicago. Nothing to do with seasoning.
Looks like WN lost the handle on that one.

Have heard a lot about the Pepper's trade on talk radio recently.

As long as the dude stays injury free it is a decent pick up as the guy has talent and can play.  Simple as that.  So let us see how well he has recovered from his injuries.  There is surely an element of risk there by not being able to recover your investment.  Worth the risk though given the upside of Julius turning out injury free and fit.  Hope that answers it.

Now back to racist republican debate the party that should be routed out of the U.S.. :)
It is more of a job-saving move by Smith than anything else. Hope it pays off.

We need receivers.
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« Reply #37 on: March 26, 2010, 03:40:56 PM »
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I think you did that yourself ..with the paragraph below. The stereotyping and vitriol (if intentional) is mind-boggling.

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The point is not who Beck is bashing. The point is that he talks drivel, whichever direction he is going. He is the patron saint of a white trash, uneducated, insular, racist, fundamentalist Christian constituency who have a visceral hatred for them "educated elites" of the North. These people revel in paranoia and conspiracy theories to cover up for their own short comings. I feel like laughing when Beck looks at the screen and tells his audience: "They think they know better than you." Well yes, as a matter of fact they do! The pick up truck driving, beer guzzling, mullet sporting hobos of the mid west and the south (who largely make Beck's audience) would not be able to run this country or this economy for even 24 hours if the coastal elites, granola bar eating liberals, and the multicultural professional class went away. They know it. What Beck feeds is a deep seated, impotent resentment

Your name-calling is regrettable.

I know of many so-called white trash, uneducated, pick up truck driving, beer guzzling ..who run fine companies and support the livelihood of many people.

Have you ever met a payroll in your life? I think - perhaps not. It is much much harder than sitting in a cushy tenured for life, insulated from real-life professorial job pontificating and intellectualizing.. and generalizing ;D

Go meet some of these people (rather than limiting your mingling and hanging out to your academic cocoon).. you will be surprised how street-smart they are, how much they instinctively understand "what is right" and "what is not".. yes, they drink beer, they hunt, they go to their churches, drive pick-up truck, carry guns etc (BTW, I do not do any of these - but I understand why they do - and that is the key!)...but they get it sometimes more than you and I (the intellectual types)

Hmm, curious about where you meet these people because I don't seem to encounter them at my workplace a whole lot.
WN doesn't meet them or encounters them.  He envisions them to be somewhere out there.

Maybe WN thinks those rich North Scottsdale residents are actually rednecks...so he's started to believe he knows a lot of them? Hmmm.
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Re: Glenn Beck on India
« Reply #38 on: March 26, 2010, 11:11:56 PM »
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Pray do not insult my intelligence.

I think you did that yourself ..with the paragraph below. The stereotyping and vitriol (if intentional) is mind-boggling.

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The point is not who Beck is bashing. The point is that he talks drivel, whichever direction he is going. He is the patron saint of a white trash, uneducated, insular, racist, fundamentalist Christian constituency who have a visceral hatred for them "educated elites" of the North. These people revel in paranoia and conspiracy theories to cover up for their own short comings. I feel like laughing when Beck looks at the screen and tells his audience: "They think they know better than you." Well yes, as a matter of fact they do! The pick up truck driving, beer guzzling, mullet sporting hobos of the mid west and the south (who largely make Beck's audience) would not be able to run this country or this economy for even 24 hours if the coastal elites, granola bar eating liberals, and the multicultural professional class went away. They know it. What Beck feeds is a deep seated, impotent resentment

Your name-calling is regrettable.

I know of many so-called white trash, uneducated, pick up truck driving, beer guzzling ..who run fine companies and support the livelihood of many people.

Have you ever met a payroll in your life? I think - perhaps not. It is much much harder than sitting in a cushy tenured for life, insulated from real-life professorial job pontificating and intellectualizing.. and generalizing ;D

Go meet some of these people (rather than limiting your mingling and hanging out to your academic cocoon).. you will be surprised how street-smart they are, how much they instinctively understand "what is right" and "what is not".. yes, they drink beer, they hunt, they go to their churches, drive pick-up truck, carry guns etc (BTW, I do not do any of these - but I understand why they do - and that is the key!)...but they get it sometimes more than you and I (the intellectual types)

Hmm, curious about where you meet these people because I don't seem to encounter them at my workplace a whole lot.
WN doesn't meet them or encounters them.  He envisions them to be somewhere out there.

Maybe WN thinks those rich North Scottsdale residents are actually rednecks...so he's started to believe he knows a lot of them? Hmmm.
Jab bade baat kar rahe hote hain.. to bacche beech main nahin bolte. Papa/mummy ne tameez nahi sikhai thi kya ;D

I thought you're 20 ???

thats me. U are confused
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Re: Glenn Beck on India
« Reply #39 on: March 29, 2010, 11:58:18 PM »
I have no idea who this person is ....but a few points.

It would be prudent to actually listen to Beck in that months old program, before saying that he was bashing India. I watched the whole program so I know what he was talking about.

He was not bashing India or Indian healthcare. He was bashing the idea that US healthcare has a problem because when compared to Indian healthcare, it is costly. He was bashing the comparison because as we all know, 1 USD = 45 INR. There itself lies the difference, is what he explained.

How does the currency rate make any difference? Purchasing power parity is not the same as the currency rate. In any case, even adjusted for PPP, Indian healthcare costs far lower than US healthcare.

He also said that Indian doctors don't have to buy malpractice insurance, don't have to go order exhaustive tests (because of malpractice lawsuits), therefore they can operate cheaply while US doctors can't.

And that is not a problem with the heathcare system? The US is in serious need of tort reforms. What happens now is sheer nonsense. A lot of doctors just do not take up very complicated cases or go beyond their very narrow areas of specialisation because he/she does not want to run the risk of being sued. I am not saying that the Indian system - where doctors generally cannot be bought to task - is better. But this is a joke.

He also explained that Indian doctors don't have to spend same kind of money that US doctors spend on medicine education.

That is not true. The good hospitals in India (although they may not number as many as those in the US) send their doctors abroad for continuous education in medicine on a regular basis. If anything, the same purchasing power parity works against them here as they have to pay in foreign currency at foreign rates.

He also explained that establishment cost of running a hospital or clinic in India is not even remotely the same as it is of running it in US. He used example of difference in lifestyle in US and India which makes everything in US costlier than it is in India.

This is partly true. But there are other things such as the malpractices insurance, the huge receivables days they run (as insurance cos do not pay up on time) and not as much use of generic drugs as can be safely done that contribute to the higher establishment cost.

He explained the reasons why healthcare is cheaper in India than in US, and it was turned into India bashing by select demented mind (one of which is in the youtube video).

He said one objectionable thing in his entire segment - calling river ganga as "a river with a name like a disease". That was plain wrong, and he should be criticized for it. Whether it was said pre-planned or it was said in the heat of his argument, who knows. That usage was wrong. But that was the only thing wrong in that segment. If you can see the whole segment of comparison of Indian and US healthcare and doctors, this guy's review will look silly.

Again, forget this edited clip. If possible see the entire segment. Beck was not bashing Indian doctors or healthcare. He was bashing the logic of comparing the cost of Indian healthcare and US healthcare.

And this TYT guy says that there are 35000 Indian doctors in US. And what does he want to prove with that? Someone should ask him that why those 35000 doctors chose to come to US rather than practice their trade in India.
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