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[Tilal]

Manish Pandey has top scored in this year's Ranji with 880 runs(4 hundreds and 4 50s).
It has come with an astonishing SR of alomst 80!   This is spectacurly high in FC cricket and I have a strong suspicion it has not been done before.   The next scorer Rahane's SR is 53.
Pandey has scored more than 70% in 4s and 6s - proves his versatile stroke making ability over a long periods of time.   An article on cricinof suggested he has got a good defence.

[sudzz]

Manish Pandey has top scored in this year's Ranji with 880 runs(4 hundreds and 4 50s).
It has come with an astonishing SR of alomst 80!   This is spectacurly high in FC cricket and I have a strong suspicion it has not been done before.   The next scorer Rahane's SR is 53.
Pandey has scored more than 70% in 4s and 6s - proves his versatile stroke making ability over a long periods of time.   An article on cricinof suggested he has got a good defence.

A few good A tours if possible and would really help gauge if he is another FTB or not.

[keep-it-cool]

I dont think he would have been able to bat as he did in the final if he had been an FTB. That pitch was really helpful for seamers. Others such as Jaffer, Rahane, Uthappa ..effectively the entire top order of both sides struggled.

What is really impressive is the SR. He has scored big and scored at a real fast pace. It sort of indicates that he is not much challenged by the domestic attacks and can dominate them.

However, I agree that it would be good to have him play on some A tours or maybe a county stint before fast tracking him into national colours - ODI, T-20 or tests.

[sudzz]

I dont think he would have been able to bat as he did in the final if he had been an FTB. That pitch was really helpful for seamers. Others such as Jaffer, Rahane, Uthappa ..effectively the entire top order of both sides struggled.

What is really impressive is the SR. He has scored big and scored at a real fast pace. It sort of indicates that he is not much challenged by the domestic attacks and can dominate them.

However, I agree that it would be good to have him play on some A tours or maybe a county stint before fast tracking him into national colours - ODI, T-20 or tests.

i was going to say county stints but county stints actually these days help destroy technique and erode confidence. If he can break into a Aussie county side even better.

[keep-it-cool]

I dont think he would have been able to bat as he did in the final if he had been an FTB. That pitch was really helpful for seamers. Others such as Jaffer, Rahane, Uthappa ..effectively the entire top order of both sides struggled.

What is really impressive is the SR. He has scored big and scored at a real fast pace. It sort of indicates that he is not much challenged by the domestic attacks and can dominate them.

However, I agree that it would be good to have him play on some A tours or maybe a county stint before fast tracking him into national colours - ODI, T-20 or tests.

i was going to say county stints but county stints actually these days help destroy technique and erode confidence. If he can break into a Aussie county side even better.

I doubt that will happen ...the only way an Aussie would have seen him is through BRC ..and BRC also does not have any Aussie.

[flashpan]

How can anybody break into Aussis state squads . At the most he can break into KFC big bash . What will he learn playing T-20 in Austrailia . I think he can learn a lot more by playing aside the likes of Dravid , Kumble , Kallis , Boucher , KP ,Taylor and Steyn.

[dextrous]

How can anybody break into Aussis state squads . At the most he can break into KFC big bash . What will he learn playing T-20 in Austrailia . I think he can learn a lot more by playing aside the likes of Dravid , Kumble , Kallis , Boucher , KP ,Taylor and Steyn.

lets hope he does not learn t20 from dravid and kallis or even steyn

[Tilal]

I dont think he would have been able to bat as he did in the final if he had been an FTB. That pitch was really helpful for seamers. Others such as Jaffer, Rahane, Uthappa ..effectively the entire top order of both sides struggled.

What is really impressive is the SR. He has scored big and scored at a real fast pace. It sort of indicates that he is not much challenged by the domestic attacks and can dominate them.

However, I agree that it would be good to have him play on some A tours or maybe a county stint before fast tracking him into national colours - ODI, T-20 or tests.

he is the first Indian to score a 100 in IPL - (and second overall?).  He is definitely someone very special.  If does well in IPL3, he deserves to be tried in India colors - starting with T20 and ODIs.

[sudzz]

I dont think he would have been able to bat as he did in the final if he had been an FTB. That pitch was really helpful for seamers. Others such as Jaffer, Rahane, Uthappa ..effectively the entire top order of both sides struggled.

What is really impressive is the SR. He has scored big and scored at a real fast pace. It sort of indicates that he is not much challenged by the domestic attacks and can dominate them.

However, I agree that it would be good to have him play on some A tours or maybe a county stint before fast tracking him into national colours - ODI, T-20 or tests.

he is the first Indian to score a 100 in IPL - (and second overall?).  He is definitely someone very special.  If does well in IPL3, he deserves to be tried in India colors - starting with T20 and ODIs.

That is most likely to happen as well and that will do to him what the IPL did to Rohit Sharma, leave with no ability whatsoever to play a long ground out test match innings....

[keep-it-cool]

Well it doesn't seem to have done much harm to Kohli. Seriously we should stop looking for excuses for Rohit.

[sudzz]

Well it doesn't seem to have done much harm to Kohli. Seriously we should stop looking for excuses for Rohit.

But tell me before IPL1, he was the same guy as a up and coming teenager playing mammoth innings for Mumbai, has all the strokes, technique was good temperament was good then what went wrong?

[flashpan]

The big thing is that Manish will be under the safe guidance of players like Anil,Rahul , Kallis , Boucher and others who value test cricket a lot . See , the changes in Kohli . He was one arrogant chap before he came into the influence of these people and now he himself acknowledged that their influence was vital for the development of his game . Unfortunately Rohit fell into the bad company of Symonds , Afridi  etc and the results showed.

[keep-it-cool]

I don't remember Rohit Sharma playing many long innings for Mumbai. He had a fair number but it is not as if he stopped doing well in FC matches after that. He struggled when he took the step up to the highest level. Pandey may as well. I don't see where IPL comes into it.

[ramshorns]

The big thing is that Manish will be under the safe guidance of players like Anil,Rahul , Kallis , Boucher and others who value test cricket a lot . See , the changes in Kohli . He was one arrogant chap before he came into the influence of these people and now he himself acknowledged that their influence was vital for the development of his game .

Yes Kohli did admit the attitude problems as was quoted in CI and I am sure playing along side RD, AK et. al.  did help him in that aspect.   

Coming to Manish let us just not go too overboard.  I am happy in what I see.  But a long way to go.  Guidance etc are all fine but it is upto the player to eventually perform.  Let us see.

Unfortunately Rohit fell into the bad company of Symonds , Afridi  etc and the results showed.

Come on now.  You are clutching on the straws.  Afridi was not even in the picture in IPL version 2 and was very sporadic in IPL version 1 when he was there for only specific number of game.  Same thing with Symonds.  He played only a handful of games in both editions.  Plus DC has players like Gilly and VVS to fall back upon.  And lastly did we not beat the same Bangalore team with all those names you seem to be waxing eloquencies about in the Final defending a modest 143.  On top of that I am sure you conviniently forgot the articles I posted about Symonds's positive influence on all these players.  His work ethic and the way he practices did have an impact.  So please stop making excuses for Rohit.  No one can stop a focussed individual.  Just like Kohli, RS does have a certain Gilly to look upto as well who has more success actually than any Indian player bar none.

[flashpan]

Why should I make excuses for Rohit Sharma . Does he belong to RCB or Karnataka for me to have  a soft corner for him . Infact I am angry that he got so many chances despite being a proven failure whereas people like Badrinath and Vinay Kumar hardly  get  a chance despite consistent domestic records . There is no need to  bring match results in between . That has got nothing to do with what we are talking. Coming to Symonds , if he had such good work ethics why has he been thrown out of the Austrailian team in all formats of the game . Dont even talk abt Afridi . His mere presence is enough to destroy a term called "TEAM-SPIRIT". Even a gentle chap like VVS had big problems with him.

[keep-it-cool]

Bottomline - it is upto the player. YS, MK and so many others were unable to establish themselves in the Indian test or ODI XI despite playing with the likes of RD, SRT, VVS, SG day in and day out. Who did Gambhir have to look upto in the Delhi side that helped him keep coming back? Those who are good, committed and get chances will make it. A Badri or Bose may be unlucky as they never got chances but a Rohit can't really complain. Nor should we be simplifying things by putting all or most of the blame on things like the IPL.

[ramshorns]

Why should I make excuses for Rohit Sharma . Does he belong to RCB or Karnataka for me to have  a soft corner for him . Infact I am angry that he got so many chances despite being a proven failure whereas people like Badrinath and Vinay Kumar hardly  get  a chance despite consistent domestic records . There is no need to  bring match results in between . That has got nothing to do with what we are talking. Coming to Symonds , if he had such good work ethics why has he been thrown out of the Austrailian team in all formats of the game . Dont even talk abt Afridi . His mere presence is enough to destroy a term called "TEAM-SPIRIT". Even a gentle chap like VVS had big problems with him.

LOL@no soft corner for someone because they do not belong to BRC or Karnataka.

Symonds was never taken out of the side because of his work ethic or on field play.  It was between him and CA and the terms of his contract.  That is where people miss it and have no clue.  The entire DC ownership was behind him and praised the impact he has had with his workouts and fielding drills.  Then Gilly came out and was effusive in his praise for Symonds.  I am sure he knows a thing or two about Symmo and that camaraderie has gotten the DC team the IPL trophy.  A team that plays as individuals or a divided house can never win and the reason for me bringing up the result and they beat a team that had RD, AK, Kallis, Ross Taylor, Boucher and Kohli defending a modest 143. 

Coming to Afridi I am no big fan of his either but the point here is you are being unreasonable by somehow attributing Rohit's overall failure at the international level because of playing alongside Symonds and Afridi or they being a bad influence.  This when both Afridi and Symonds are not even part of the team fully in an IPL that is 6 weeks long.  Besides Rohit is made the Vice Captain of the team.  If anything he can influence someone in a bad way not the other way around.

Coming to RD. AK or Kallis's influence or guidance of a Kohli or a Pandey that surely helps them as a Gilly or a VVS can have on other young players playing alongside them.  But ultimately it is for the players to perform and in the ultimate analysis it is them and them alone that are responsible for their success or failures.  All this business of having a bad influence and all is just plain deflecting the issue at hand.   In Rohit's case it is him not spending enough time on working on his weakness and improve upon them as I see it.  I think the intital success and all the money that came with it because of the IPL had surely contributed to it perhaps subconsciously.  So it is not Symonds or Afridi that are the problem here.  It is rather unfair to even think along those lines.

Coming to Vinay Kumar I have seen him.  I do not see him to be an international class.  It is just a feel.  But when someone takes wickets by a bucketful they cannot and should not be ignored.  But it has got to be more than a season.  If he can show that next year with more improvements then I am sure he will not be ignored provided others who are now part of the team do not perform.  So there are a lot of factors there. Coming to Badrinath there is no big a voice than me on this DG for more than 2 years now making a case for him.  The stacked middle order in the Tests have done him in.  I think his best chance was when RD was going through a lean phase in the last couple of years or ahead of YS after Ganguly retired.  But that was a call that cannot be questioned too much.  Hope he can get a fair run somehow.

[kingcool1432]

Is there a reason the best batsman of the decade, Ricky Ponting, the winningest captain of all time with 44 test wins that the likes of Ganguly can only dream of, chose to drop Symonds, with his wonderful work ethic and excellent camaraderie, from his team? Surely the greatest captain in the world can't have made a mistake?

[RicePlateReddy]

Is there a reason the best batsman of the decade, Ricky Ponting, the winningest captain of all time with 44 test wins that the likes of Ganguly can only dream of, chose to drop Symonds, with his wonderful work ethic and excellent camaraderie, from his team? Surely the greatest captain in the world can't have made a mistake?

Now the answer to that profound question lies right in your signature - "Reality continues to ruin my life.  Homicidal Psycho Jungle Cat".

[dextrous]

Is there a reason the best batsman of the decade, Ricky Ponting, the winningest captain of all time with 44 test wins that the likes of Ganguly can only dream of, chose to drop Symonds, with his wonderful work ethic and excellent camaraderie, from his team? Surely the greatest captain in the world can't have made a mistake?

and three time WC winner, twice named the national unicycling champion

[ramshorns]

That is the problem with the haters.  They cannot see the facts nor do they want to understand them completely.  Symmo was not dropped by Ponting. It was basically CA's call after he breached the terms of his curfew. Symmo wants to be his own man and CA wants none of that.  That hardly makes Symmo a bad team player nor does it has to do with Ponting sole decision to drop him.  I never agreed with CA on the way they dealt with Symmo and felt that he was shortchanged. But that is the way it goes sometimes in life.

[dextrous]

That is the problem with the haters.  They cannot see the facts nor do they want to understand them completely.  Symmo was not dropped by Ponting. It was basically CA's call after he breached the terms of his curfew. Symmo wants to be his own man and CA wants none of that.  That hardly makes Symmo a bad team player nor does it has to do with Ponting sole decision to drop him.  I never agreed with CA on the way they dealt with Symmo and felt that he was shortchanged. But that is the way it goes sometimes in life.

If India had a propo*a ministry, I'd wholeheartedly recommend you. The problem with Symonds was his drinking and inability to follow team curfews and showing up drunk to matches.

[dextrous]

here's a bit of reality check

http://www.smh.com.au/news/cricket/ponting-drunken-symonds-made-my-blood-boil/2005/10/22/1129775998409.html

these quotes are from god's chosen sons, ponting & gilchrist, so it shouldn't be that hard to swallow:

Australian captain Ricky Ponting has revealed Andrew Symonds was so affected by alcohol before the infamous one-day match against Bangladesh in June that he fell over at training, then tried to tell coach John Buchanan he was well versed at playing in such a hazy state.

Ponting's soon-to-be-released book, Ashes Diary 2005, recalls his anger at Symonds for staying out drinking on the morning of June 18 - the day Australia lost to Bangladesh in one of the sport's great boilovers.

Ponting described the defeat as dreadful and embarrassing, and Symonds's behaviour as unacceptable after it became clear during the warm-ups that he was badly under the weather.

"Those warm-ups started with some gentle leg swings, but after four or five swings in the batting group, Symonds moved away from us and headed for the other set of players," Ponting writes.

"He based himself on the edge of that group and leaned against a wheelie bin that was on the edge of the field. As he did so he fell over."

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AdvertisementPonting and vice-captain Adam Gilchrist saw Symonds hit the ground and suspected he was drunk.

"When Gilchrist and I got to Symonds I did not beat around the bush," Ponting writes. "His eyes looked puffy and I could smell alcohol on his breath. 'Were you out late last night having a drink?' I said.

"'Yes,' he replied. 'What time did you get back?' I responded. 'About 1.30, I think.'

"Given the state he was in eight hours after that, I found his claim hard to believe. My blood was beginning to boil. I did not shout, but let Symonds know exactly what I thought about his behaviour."

Ponting told Symonds he would not be in the team to play Bangladesh.

"'Right,' was his response," writes Ponting. "But he said it in such a casual 'see-if-I-care' way that it wound me up even more. 'Don't encourage me,' I said.

"I was furious at a player being so disrespectful to himself, his teammates, his opponents and his country by turning up to play a game in that state, and I blurted out, 'He can go home then!' to Gilchrist before heading off to speak to John Buchanan."

Buchanan's suspicions had been raised when Symonds beat him to breakfast, wearing the same clothes as the night before.

But rather than apologise to the coach at training, Symonds told him: "I've played when I've been like this before."

Later in the tour, on August 10, security manager Reg Dickason told Ponting that death threats had been made against him via the inquiries email address at Cricket Australia.

"Emails suggesting I deserved a bullet in the head for my efforts were received; apparently the writer also explained that he knew people in this country who were willing to carry out the threat," Ponting writes.

"As a cricketer I am used to facing catcalls and barracking from opposition fans, although this is an altogether new level of intimidation and I have never been threatened in this way before.

"Rianna [Ponting's wife] was upset and quite shaken when I told her about the emails."

Ponting also predicts that Shane Warne, who retired from international limited-overs cricket after failing a drugs test before the 2003 World Cup in South Africa, might not have hung up his coloured clothing for good.

"I would not rule out the idea of him coming back into the one-day side for the 2007 World Cup," he writes.

"The trouble is that I do not think he will make himself available unless he gets an assurance from the selectors that they will pick him; he will not want to go to the trouble and possible embarrassment of announcing his availability only to be overlooked."

Ponting denies Warne was virtually running the team in England, and responds to calls for Warne to become Test captain following the loss of the Ashes.

"There was only one person in charge on the field and that was me," Ponting says.

"If he does still have captaincy aspirations he had better join the queue, because I am not planning on going anywhere just yet."

[dextrous]

and some more things from symonds himself just to counter the lies being propogated on the dg:

http://www.cricinfo.com/australia/content/story/265732.html

[dextrous]

and more about symonds:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/australia/5446292/World-Twenty20-Australia-rocked-by-Andrew-Symonds-binge-disgrace.html

Symonds is understood to have celebrated Australia’s warm-up victory over New Zealand in enthusiastic style on Tuesday night, and reports from the team hotel in north London suggest that he was acting strangely at breakfast the following day.

As a result of a long list of previous indiscretions, Symonds is not entitled to the same freedoms as other players when it comes to drinking and nightlife, and Australia’s management group – which is headed by the captain Ricky Ponting – had no hesitation in throwing him off the tour.

[dextrous]

Either Rams or Ponting are telling tall tales. I trust Ponting is, due to Rams' intimate connections with Symonds':


“I’m disappointed,” said Ricky Ponting, the Australian captain. “He’s let his team-mates down, he’s let himself down and he’s let Cricket Australia down. We’re losing one of our better players and performers, but we have to move on from it. We have our first game on Sunday, and the wheels are in motion to get a replacement as soon as possible.”

[dextrous]

and..for good measure, even saint hayden thinks symonds has a problem:

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/sports/hayden-says-symonds-has-an-alcohol-problem-and-will-help-him_100201497.html

[dhruvdeepak]

That is the problem with the haters.  They cannot see the facts nor do they want to understand them completely.  Symmo was not dropped by Ponting. It was basically CA's call after he breached the terms of his curfew. Symmo wants to be his own man and CA wants none of that.  That hardly makes Symmo a bad team player nor does it has to do with Ponting sole decision to drop him.  I never agreed with CA on the way they dealt with Symmo and felt that he was shortchanged. But that is the way it goes sometimes in life.

If India had a propo*a ministry, I'd wholeheartedly recommend you. The problem with Symonds was his drinking and inability to follow team curfews and showing up drunk to matches.

hmmmm yeah....sounds a lot worse than "being his own man" HAHAH

[ramshorns]

Let me know when you are done posting articles from miltiple sources on the same issue.

Old trick in the book practiced by the haters of a person or a player in this case.

I will post articles that go on to praise Symonds as well once you are done with your's.

For his transgressions Symonds was kicked out of the team and I was one of the first to criticise him for not being able to live upto the rules as unreasonable as they might have been.

However the same Symmo shows up for DC few weeks later and the next we read was all the praises coming his way only to find DC winning the trophy.

As an example what does KKR have in comparision.  A washed up Ganguly in a supposed rift with his coach again and a last place finish being the worst batsman in the entire IPL.  Talk about shortchanging fans.

And atleast Symonds paid a price for breaching the rules with CA a tough as nails org.

And one more thing he never slapped opposing players as some esteemed Indian players did.  What he did only affected him not others.