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[vincent]

What's this got to do with cricket?   people check local crime news to get an update on the latest police report.  there is always bad stuff going around - though it is unfortunate it happens.    this forum is about cricket and only cricket.   

There you go. Here is your connection to Cricket, as CNN would call it:




Australian cricketers can't play in Maharashtra: Bal Thackeray 
 
Mumbai, Jan 13 (IANS)

In the wake of the ongoing attacks on Indians in Australia, Shiv Sena chief Bal Thackeray Wednesday warned that his party would not permit the Australian cricket team to play in the city and state.

In a statement in the party mouthpiece "Saamna", Thackeray also rebuked the Indian cricketers for continuing to play with the Australian team.

"We shall not allow the Australian team to play in Mumbai and Maharashtra till the attacks on Indians in their land are stopped," he said.

Expressing his anguish over the increasing cases of violence against Indians, Thackeray also castigated the Indian team for playing with the Australian team.

"Self respect or national pride seems to be missing in the Indian players these days. Our boys are being stabbed, burnt and shot at in that country (Australia) and still our cricketers have no qualms about playing with that country's cricketers," Thackeray said.

Recalling his party's 'ban' on Pakistani players, he said that the Sena had taken a stand of not permitting the players of that country to play in the city and the state.

"Pakistan has been launching terror attacks in India and killing innocent people. They continue to invade Kashmir. They besieged Mumbai by attacking Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus and the Taj Mahal Palace & Tower Hotel," he said, reiterating the party's stand on the issue.

Earlier Wednesday, "Saamna" executive editor and Rajya Sabha MP Sanjay Raut told mediapersons that Thackeray had spoken his mind about cricket and the party would abide by his decision.

It is not clear what the party's stand would be on the T-20 matches of the Indian Premier League (IPL) in which there are several Australian players.

 
 

[Flamingo]

BTW, anecdotes I heard from people there, most of the targeted violence against Indians is by middle-eastern (mainly Lebanese) immigrants. They supposedly compete for similar opportunities !

fkn lebbos. everyone hates them

but their food is so good!! 

Are you by any chance Pipsqueak?

nope!
i don't know why people keep asking me if i'm someone else!

[dextrous]

BTW, anecdotes I heard from people there, most of the targeted violence against Indians is by middle-eastern (mainly Lebanese) immigrants. They supposedly compete for similar opportunities !

fkn lebbos. everyone hates them

but their food is so good!! 

Are you by any chance Pipsqueak?

nope!
i don't know why people keep asking me if i'm someone else!

Women are rare on the DG

[sudzz]

BTW, anecdotes I heard from people there, most of the targeted violence against Indians is by middle-eastern (mainly Lebanese) immigrants. They supposedly compete for similar opportunities !

fkn lebbos. everyone hates them

but their food is so good!! 

Are you by any chance Pipsqueak?

nope!
i don't know why people keep asking me if i'm someone else!

Because there is a very uncanny resemblance to the posts and more importantly cricketing knowledge....

[dhruvdeepak]

BTW, anecdotes I heard from people there, most of the targeted violence against Indians is by middle-eastern (mainly Lebanese) immigrants. They supposedly compete for similar opportunities !

fkn lebbos. everyone hates them

but their food is so good!! 

Are you by any chance Pipsqueak?

nope!
i don't know why people keep asking me if i'm someone else!

Because there is a very uncanny resemblance to the posts and more importantly cricketing knowledge....

no there isnt.

[WicketView]

These crimes are very similar to what the MNS is doing to Bihari's in Mumbai now of what the Shiv Sena did to South Indians in the 1970's, those who lived there in those times would remember how many south Indians mysteriously landed under trains while waiting for them at railway stations....

thats exactly my point. I am sure these crimes are not random. I am sure these are hate crimes. But to put a motive of the govt behind this is what i was objecting to.

Motive of the govt?  You mean to say someone suggested that the Australian govt has a motive of targeting the Indians there
and hired thugs to do all this. Please show me who suggested this.

But LN's gave some anecdotal evidence to these being committed by Lebanese immigrants.

on the burning. Here is a story of a boy being burnt in the US. http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2010/01/12/pkg.burned.boy.florida.wsvn?iref=allsearch

We should be careful about making broad statements about an entire nation or govt involvement because of the action of a few is irresponsible.

It is not that I don't believe LN's "anecdotal evidence". I don't care if it is the Lebanese or the Japanese. The point is that Indians are probably being targeted. The Aussie govt. is trying to deny that these are hate crimes, probably because the reputation of having hate crimes is quite damaging in today's world. So why is it wrong to call their bluff?

[dextrous]

BTW, anecdotes I heard from people there, most of the targeted violence against Indians is by middle-eastern (mainly Lebanese) immigrants. They supposedly compete for similar opportunities !

fkn lebbos. everyone hates them

but their food is so good!! 

Are you by any chance Pipsqueak?

nope!
i don't know why people keep asking me if i'm someone else!

Because there is a very uncanny resemblance to the posts and more importantly cricketing knowledge....

no there isnt.

some cannot look past the heels

and, you're right, there isnt

[Cover Point]

BTW, anecdotes I heard from people there, most of the targeted violence against Indians is by middle-eastern (mainly Lebanese) immigrants. They supposedly compete for similar opportunities !

fkn lebbos. everyone hates them

but their food is so good!! 

Are you by any chance Pipsqueak?

nope!
i don't know why people keep asking me if i'm someone else!

Because there is a very uncanny resemblance to the posts and more importantly cricketing knowledge....

no there isnt.

some cannot look past the heels

and, you're right, there isnt

no matter what Dexy .... i still consider you the sexy one here

[Flamingo]

BTW, anecdotes I heard from people there, most of the targeted violence against Indians is by middle-eastern (mainly Lebanese) immigrants. They supposedly compete for similar opportunities !

fkn lebbos. everyone hates them

but their food is so good!! 

Are you by any chance Pipsqueak?

nope!
i don't know why people keep asking me if i'm someone else!

Because there is a very uncanny resemblance to the posts and more importantly cricketing knowledge....

mate, I know feck all!  I watch cricket with my mum...
i'm gonna have to look this pipsqueak up...

some cannot look past the heels

hmmm...

[Cover Point]

BTW, anecdotes I heard from people there, most of the targeted violence against Indians is by middle-eastern (mainly Lebanese) immigrants. They supposedly compete for similar opportunities !

fkn lebbos. everyone hates them

but their food is so good!! 

Are you by any chance Pipsqueak?

nope!
i don't know why people keep asking me if i'm someone else!

Because there is a very uncanny resemblance to the posts and more importantly cricketing knowledge....

mate, I know feck all!  I watch cricket with my mum...
i'm gonna have to look this pipsqueak up...

some cannot look past the heels

hmmm...

Her real name was mockani turtlani. She used to have a dg id of pipsqueak and tintin among others.

[flute]

Dex, I feel very strongly about this issue and I did appreciate if we refrain from banter on this one. If possible, can you plz move the banter into a separate thread?

[Flamingo]

Sorry to hijack your thread flute, but...one more!

Her real name was mockani turtlani.

I didn't mean I wanted to stalk her!  And is that a real name?   


And slightly more on topic - if anyone does find themself in australia, some helpful tips on how not to get attacked here:

http://getahead.rediff.com/report/2009/may/28/tips-on-how-not-to-be-attacked-in-australia.htm

Some real gems on this site -

Try to make acquientance/ friendships with people outside of Indian community

Staying away from crime suburbs

Conversing very loudly in native languages upsets and angers the locals. They consider themselves to be extremely suave people

Australians are suave? 

Should avoid staring at them (this is common problem with Indian students when they stare at girls)

lol!

and lastly, my favourite:

Never do anything weird

stay safe people!

[Cover Point]

Sorry to hijack your thread flute, but...one more!

Her real name was mockani turtlani.

I didn't mean I wanted to stalk her!  And is that a real name?   

its ok to stalk her. And that is indeed her real name. We quite liked her here. Blwe was real gaga over her. Even got in trouble with her wife for that

[vincent]

No, her original ID was MockTurtle which CP had Sindhisised.

[vincent]

BTW, anecdotes I heard from people there, most of the targeted violence against Indians is by middle-eastern (mainly Lebanese) immigrants. They supposedly compete for similar opportunities !

fkn lebbos. everyone hates them

but their food is so good!! 

Are you by any chance Pipsqueak?

nope!
i don't know why people keep asking me if i'm someone else!

Because there is a very uncanny resemblance to the posts and more importantly cricketing knowledge....

mate, I know feck all!  I watch cricket with my mum...
i'm gonna have to look this pipsqueak up...

some cannot look past the heels

hmmm...

Well the resemblance is alo in the ability to jump from cricket to food and back....

[flute]

Kban, can you please clean up this thread and separate out the banter? dex as usual seems to have ignored my request 

[flute]

Despite assurances, 2 Indians attacked in Aus


http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/jan/22/despite-assurances-2-indians-attacked-in-aus.htm

Two Indians, including a taxi driver, were attacked in separate incidents overnight in Brisbane [ Images ], a day after Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd [ Images ] said that the assaults on Indians in the country were 'regrettable'.

A 25-year-old youth was assaulted and robbed while using a phone booth near his home in Macgregor in south Brisbane on Thursday night, police officials were quoted as saying. The youth, whose identity was not disclosed, was punched in the head twice and his wallet stolen.

The police were searching for the attacker, described as being tall, of Pacific Islander appearance, with black curly hair, the report said.

In a separate incident, a taxi driver was attacked early on Friday morning after he got into an argument with two men in Carindale, in Brisbane's southeast.

The men punched the driver in the face several times and smashed the car's windscreen. The driver was taken to the Princess Alexandra hospital for cuts to his face and swelling to his right eye.

Meanwhile, the government again stressed that there was no indication that the attacks were racially motivated. Acting Premier Andrew Fraser said he wants to assure Indian nationals that Australia [ Images ] is a safe place.

"Queensland and Australia remain a very safe place," Fraser said, adding, "There's no doubt this has been an issue in the international arena. That's why we want to emphasise, that this is a welcoming, tolerant society".

"No one endorses any violence against any individual. Regrettably, there have been some incidents recently, let's accept that, but let's put it into context, and also in the context of, let's call it, the broader incidences of violence to students of other ethnic backgrounds, acts of violence against Australian students, acts of violence in particular parts of our large cities at any given time of the day," Prime Minister Rudd said on Thursday

Nearly 100 cases of attacks on Indians were reported in Australia in 2009. Nitin Garg, a 21-year-old student who was stabbed to death by unidentified assailants, was the first victim of such attacks this year.

Natasha Chaku In Melbourne

[vincent]

But the banter helps sometimes to relax and then focus on the subject just as it happens in any business meetings.

Seriously, this issue seems to be a lot more complex than it looks on the surface. The root of the problem seems to be that the Australians have allowed the mushrooming of so-called "universities" which are nothing but some technical schools or professional schools (e.g schools for cooks,carpenters etc) which bear the title "university" now. Many of these are run by Indian NRI's. This is a huge money making machine for Australia and Indian NRI's there. The Indian students who do not get any admission in decent Universities in India or UK or US go there to get a foreign degree. These degrees are not recognized even in Australia. The background and the behaviour of these students is apparently not exemplary.

But this is not an excuse for the Australian government not to do anything. Even in India now 44 of the so-called "universities" are derecognized and many more to come. But Australia is interested in the cheap money coming from India.

[flute]

But the banter helps sometimes to relax and then focus on the subject just as it happens in any business meetings.

Seriously, this issue seems to be a lot more complex than it looks on the surface. The root of the problem seems to be that the Australians have allowed the mushrooming of so-called "universities" which are nothing but some technical schools or professional schools (e.g schools for cooks,carpenters etc) which bear the title "university" now. Many of these are run by Indian NRI's. This is a huge money making machine for Australia and Indian NRI's there. The Indian students who do not get any admission in decent Universities in India or UK or US go there to get a foreign degree. These degrees are not recognized even in Australia. The background and the behaviour of these students is apparently not exemplary.

But this is not an excuse for the Australian government not to do anything. Even in India now 44 of the so-called "universities" are derecognized and many more to come. But Australia is interested in the cheap money coming from India.

not sure how a review of Aussie educational tourism is relevent to attacks on indians? are you saying people who go to these universities are not well behaved and hence might have something to do with the attacks?

[vincent]

Yes, more or less. This is what I heard in India from the parents of an Indian student in Brisbane. Some of the reports I read also point in the same direction. Of course, these parents were saying that their son was in Brisbane where they do not have the problem in any case while it was mainly in Melbourne. But the story above now also mentions Brisbane. As usual, these kind of actions do spread beyond the original source and reason. One more reason why the Australian government has to do something more substantial.

[sudzz]

But the banter helps sometimes to relax and then focus on the subject just as it happens in any business meetings.

Seriously, this issue seems to be a lot more complex than it looks on the surface. The root of the problem seems to be that the Australians have allowed the mushrooming of so-called "universities" which are nothing but some technical schools or professional schools (e.g schools for cooks,carpenters etc) which bear the title "university" now. Many of these are run by Indian NRI's. This is a huge money making machine for Australia and Indian NRI's there. The Indian students who do not get any admission in decent Universities in India or UK or US go there to get a foreign degree. These degrees are not recognized even in Australia. The background and the behaviour of these students is apparently not exemplary.

But this is not an excuse for the Australian government not to do anything. Even in India now 44 of the so-called "universities" are derecognized and many more to come. But Australia is interested in the cheap money coming from India.

not sure how a review of Aussie educational tourism is relevent to attacks on indians? are you saying people who go to these universities are not well behaved and hence might have something to do with the attacks?

It is Iam not sure as simple as that, its also I guess a combination of Indian students needing to make money therefore working at jobs like waiting tables, driving taxis etc that keep them out late at night and probably they are perceived as soft targets. The problem that gets compounded by the fact that the police is generally taking a view that let one immigrant group kill the other how the hell does it matter....

[vincent]

And now A.R. Rahman joins the people who try to bring end to this:

                 http://english.ntdtv.com/ntdtv_en/ns_asia/2010-01-15/928219984121.html

[keep-it-cool]

Sensible stuff from ARR

"First of all, we need more responsible media. Media is a great tool but it can also be misused and provoke people. Just one wrong news can kill a thousand people. That happened in the past and we have to be extremely careful and strict about the truth. I think... I was speaking to a lot of people, they were saying that some of them are racial killings and some of them are not, but everything is being painted in the same colour and we have to be very careful about that."

[dhruvdeepak]

But the banter helps sometimes to relax and then focus on the subject just as it happens in any business meetings.

Seriously, this issue seems to be a lot more complex than it looks on the surface. The root of the problem seems to be that the Australians have allowed the mushrooming of so-called "universities" which are nothing but some technical schools or professional schools (e.g schools for cooks,carpenters etc) which bear the title "university" now. Many of these are run by Indian NRI's. This is a huge money making machine for Australia and Indian NRI's there. The Indian students who do not get any admission in decent Universities in India or UK or US go there to get a foreign degree. These degrees are not recognized even in Australia. The background and the behaviour of these students is apparently not exemplary.

But this is not an excuse for the Australian government not to do anything. Even in India now 44 of the so-called "universities" are derecognized and many more to come. But Australia is interested in the cheap money coming from India.

exactly the same thing happens in Dubai ('universities')

[keep-it-cool]

But the banter helps sometimes to relax and then focus on the subject just as it happens in any business meetings.

Seriously, this issue seems to be a lot more complex than it looks on the surface. The root of the problem seems to be that the Australians have allowed the mushrooming of so-called "universities" which are nothing but some technical schools or professional schools (e.g schools for cooks,carpenters etc) which bear the title "university" now. Many of these are run by Indian NRI's. This is a huge money making machine for Australia and Indian NRI's there. The Indian students who do not get any admission in decent Universities in India or UK or US go there to get a foreign degree. These degrees are not recognized even in Australia. The background and the behaviour of these students is apparently not exemplary.

But this is not an excuse for the Australian government not to do anything. Even in India now 44 of the so-called "universities" are derecognized and many more to come. But Australia is interested in the cheap money coming from India.

exactly the same thing happens in Dubai ('universities')

does dubai have universities?

[dhruvdeepak]

But the banter helps sometimes to relax and then focus on the subject just as it happens in any business meetings.

Seriously, this issue seems to be a lot more complex than it looks on the surface. The root of the problem seems to be that the Australians have allowed the mushrooming of so-called "universities" which are nothing but some technical schools or professional schools (e.g schools for cooks,carpenters etc) which bear the title "university" now. Many of these are run by Indian NRI's. This is a huge money making machine for Australia and Indian NRI's there. The Indian students who do not get any admission in decent Universities in India or UK or US go there to get a foreign degree. These degrees are not recognized even in Australia. The background and the behaviour of these students is apparently not exemplary.

But this is not an excuse for the Australian government not to do anything. Even in India now 44 of the so-called "universities" are derecognized and many more to come. But Australia is interested in the cheap money coming from India.

exactly the same thing happens in Dubai ('universities')

does dubai have universities?

yeah plenty.

we actually have a BITS Pilani here

[keep-it-cool]

Shouldn't a BITS Pilani be in Pilani??

Do you guys have an IIM Ahmedabad too?

[dhruvdeepak]

Shouldn't a BITS Pilani be in Pilani??

Do you guys have an IIM Ahmedabad too?

  its actually called BITS Dubai

we also have a Mahatma *hi university, a Manipal university, a Pune university, and an SP Jain Center of Management

and no i was wrong, it actually IS called BITS Pilani

 http://www.diacedu.ae/academic-detail.php/birla-institute-of-technology-and-science-pilani

[sudzz]

Shouldn't a BITS Pilani be in Pilani??

Do you guys have an IIM Ahmedabad too?

  its actually called BITS Dubai

we also have a Mahatma *hi university, a Manipal university, a Pune university, and an SP Jain Center of Management

and no i was wrong, it actually IS called BITS Pilani

 http://www.di
acedu.ae/academic-detail.php/birla-institute-of-technology-and-science-pilani

There is also IIM C extension campus here, of course there the ubiquitous uni of Wollongong, Herriot Watt etc as well. In Abu Dhabi there is Insead -official international campus

[flute]

Dark side of dubai..never knew about all this until I saw this link on a blog

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/the-dark-side-of-dubai-1664368.html

[sudzz]

Dark side of dubai..never knew about all this until I saw this link on a blog

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/the-dark-side-of-dubai-1664368.html

Oh this did the rounds over here about 4-5 months ago

[dextrous]

if dd goes missing for 6 months, we'll know the strippers were too expensive

[dhruvdeepak]

Dark side of dubai..never knew about all this until I saw this link on a blog

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/the-dark-side-of-dubai-1664368.html

one of the funniest articles of all time.

[dextrous]

Dark side of dubai..never knew about all this until I saw this link on a blog

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/the-dark-side-of-dubai-1664368.html

one of the funniest articles of all time.

i take it youre in such dark side that you cannot see the light!

[flute]

Dark side of dubai..never knew about all this until I saw this link on a blog

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/the-dark-side-of-dubai-1664368.html

one of the funniest articles of all time.

i take it youre in such dark side that you cannot see the light!

  good one

[vincent]

In a new twist an Indian was burnt alive by a young Indian couple "for a fistfull of dollars".

The short story below does not mention them as Indians, but they indeed are Indians.

             http://www.rttnews.com/ArticleView.aspx?Id=1192845&SMap=1

              http://www.mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=broadcast&broadcastid=166771

[flute]

In a new twist an Indian was burnt alive by a young Indian couple "for a fistfull of dollars".

The short story below does not mention them as Indians, but they indeed are Indians.

             http://www.rttnews.com/ArticleView.aspx?Id=1192845&SMap=1

              http://www.mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=broadcast&broadcastid=166771

this mentions dispute in their contract and $9000 dollrs..not fistful of dollars

[dextrous]

In a new twist an Indian was burnt alive by a young Indian couple "for a fistfull of dollars".

The short story below does not mention them as Indians, but they indeed are Indians.

             http://www.rttnews.com/ArticleView.aspx?Id=1192845&SMap=1

              http://www.mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=broadcast&broadcastid=166771

this mentions dispute in their contract and $9000 dollrs..not fistful of dollars

Does that change anything?!

[flute]

In a new twist an Indian was burnt alive by a young Indian couple "for a fistfull of dollars".

The short story below does not mention them as Indians, but they indeed are Indians.

             http://www.rttnews.com/ArticleView.aspx?Id=1192845&SMap=1

              http://www.mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=broadcast&broadcastid=166771

this mentions dispute in their contract and $9000 dollrs..not fistful of dollars

Does that change anything?!

well it doesn't sounds like somebody burning a person alive for a glass of water type of crime..that is what I was trying to say..of course it has no relevance to the current topic we are discussing. the fact that an indian couple is involved is relevent but they killing for $9000 or $1 is not relevent.

[vincent]

Well,it appears now that even the headline story of this thread seems to be fake!

                 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8494866.stm