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Yes. they are a bunch of incompetant desh drohis

No. I am ok with incompetance and anti national activities.

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After their desh drohi issues, Eden Garden now for the 3rd time loses one of its flood lights. IMO it is unacceptable for an international venue. putting the poll up for the junta

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so far we have had one person who is ok with anti national activities. wonder if that person helps terrorists too. 

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so far we have had one person who is ok with anti national activities. wonder if that person helps terrorists too. 

PLEASE DO NOT TRIVILIZE THE ISSUE BY BRINGING IN TERRORISTS...THIS POLL IS NOT ON MY FRIEND.

CALLING PEOPLE DESH DROHI IS THE SOLE RIGHT OF A PERSON WHO IS A PERFECT PATRIOT,  I DO NOT THINK ANYONE AMONG BILLION+ INDIANS QUALIFIES FOR IT.
aNYWAY, YOU CEASE TO BE ONE THE MOMENT YOU LUMP TOGETHER ALLTHE PEOPLE.

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so far we have had one person who is ok with anti national activities. wonder if that person helps terrorists too. 

PLEASE DO NOT TRIVILIZE THE ISSUE BY BRINGING IN TERRORISTS...THIS POLL IS NOT ON MY FRIEND.

CALLING PEOPLE DESH DROHI IS THE SOLE RIGHT OF A PERSON WHO IS A PERFECT PATRIOT,  I DO NOT THINK ANYONE AMONG BILLION+ INDIANS QUALIFIES FOR IT.
aNYWAY, YOU CEASE TO BE ONE THE MOMENT YOU LUMP TOGETHER ALLTHE PEOPLE.

chill dude and thodi si bansuri bajao.

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so far we have had one person who is ok with anti national activities. wonder if that person helps terrorists too. 

PLEASE DO NOT TRIVILIZE THE ISSUE BY BRINGING IN TERRORISTS...THIS POLL IS NOT ON MY FRIEND.

CALLING PEOPLE DESH DROHI IS THE SOLE RIGHT OF A PERSON WHO IS A PERFECT PATRIOT,  I DO NOT THINK ANYONE AMONG BILLION+ INDIANS QUALIFIES FOR IT.
aNYWAY, YOU CEASE TO BE ONE THE MOMENT YOU LUMP TOGETHER ALLTHE PEOPLE.

chill dude and thodi si bansuri bajao.

wahi tho kar raha tha ..bus aap ko mera sur accha nahi laga shayad magar basuri tho baj raha tha..

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so far we have had one person who is ok with anti national activities. wonder if that person helps terrorists too. 

PLEASE DO NOT TRIVILIZE THE ISSUE BY BRINGING IN TERRORISTS...THIS POLL IS NOT ON MY FRIEND.

CALLING PEOPLE DESH DROHI IS THE SOLE RIGHT OF A PERSON WHO IS A PERFECT PATRIOT,  I DO NOT THINK ANYONE AMONG BILLION+ INDIANS QUALIFIES FOR IT.
aNYWAY, YOU CEASE TO BE ONE THE MOMENT YOU LUMP TOGETHER ALLTHE PEOPLE.

chill dude and thodi si bansuri bajao.

wahi tho kar raha tha ..bus aap ko mera sur accha nahi laga shayad magar basuri tho baj raha tha..

sir all caps are a domain of the gangulians (or commies) ... bahut gussa dikhta hai. Koi achi dhun sunao .... jisse mile sur mera tumhara

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current count of desh drohis = 3

[Flamingo]

But it sounds so romantic!   

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But it sounds so romantic!   

all crime and paap sounds romantic at first. but then you have to pay for ur deeds.

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But it sounds so romantic!  

all crime and paap sounds romantic at first. but then you have to pay for ur deeds.

If only all criminals also had grace and elegance about them.

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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/series-tournaments/sri-lanka-in-india-2009/top-stories/Eden-Gardens-may-lose-day-night-matches-in-IPL-3/articleshow/5376541.cms

Eden Gardens may lose day-night matches of the Indian Premier League 3 after play in the fourth One-dayer between India and Sri Lanka was disrupted for 26 minutes, sources said.
A seven-member panel has been formed to look into the floodlight issue at the Eden Gardens. Kolkata police have meanwhile informed that they will not allow day-night matches at the stadium if the floodlight problem is not sorted out.

In the fourth One-dayer between India and Sri Lanka was disrupted for 26 minutes after lights of one of the four floodlight towers at the Eden Gardens went off during the Sri Lankan innings.


Sri Lanka were 307 for six in 49.2 overs (5.58 pm) when the floodlight tower at the High Court end went off, halting play.

A spokesman of the Calcutta Electric Supply Corporation (CESC) said that it was not their fault and power supply was uninterrupted.

"There was no problem on our end. The power supply was not disrupted even for a second. The bulbs in the tower developed a snag and it is a maintenance problem," the spokesman said.

This was the second such occasion when play had to be stopped here due to floodlight failure -- the first was an Indian Premier League (IPL) match between Kolkata Knight Riders and Deccan Chargers

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What kind of stupidity is this. Once is bad enough ... twice?

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What kind of stupidity is this. Once is bad enough ... twice?

Eden has a rich cricketing history. So, I believe it will get a longer rope and rightfully so. I do hope that Eden Gardens continues to play a big role in International cricket.

But these goof ups are inexcusable in International level, and seriously BCCI and CAB need to make sure these kind of nuisances dont repeat in future.

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What can the BCCI do? CAB has to take the blame and the onus to set things right.

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Floodlights using the old tech MV lamps in stadiums apparently get conked out by the slightest voltage fluctuations. This can be solved by installing a gigantic UPS costing anywhere bwn 4-6 crores. Or else, as in newer stadiums, modern tech lamps which are unaffected by V-fluctuations can be used. When the Eden Gardens became the first venue in the country to install floodlights, Bengal was in the middle of it's industrial stagnation period. Since there was no demand for power from industry, there was no problem of V-fluctuations. These days, Bengal is apparently undergoing a period of industrial rejuvination (amongst states, the largest no of MOUs have been signed by the bengal govt, though no tangible industries have as of now come up!). Nevertheless, just the news of this industrial rejuvination has, apparently, caused huge disruptions in the power grid! Result = frequent voltage fluctuations, leading to the towers at EG getting conked out. CAB says that the cost of upgrading the equipment should be shared by BCCI-- whether installing an UPS or installing new set of new tech lamps.

So there you go -- the classic tu-tu-main-main of indian politics! Though, considering the fact that the BCCI never misses an opportunity in reminding the world that it is indeed the richest board, their kanjoosi, nevermind the special friendship between Jaggu dada and the Western Union, is truly unacceptable!

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Of course there has been many issues with the power supply. But it is also common knowledge that decimating the Eden Gardens has been on the wishlist of the Western Union for long. Can we rule out the possibility of hanky panky? Such weird instances have happened in the past: http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Cables-stolen-at-Eden-Gardens/302602/

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Great , again conspiracy theories , it seems CAB can do no wrong . What abt the IPL match , was it also a conspiracy by the KKR team to disrupt the rhythm  of the chargers . The match was  evenly poised at that stage and upon resumption David Hussey blasted his team to victory.

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I still don't see why CAB should get anything extra for floodlights from the BCCI. CAB gets its annual grant like other states and also gets paid by the IPL for hosting matches. Those funds along with other sources should be enough to get good floodlights - which is a basic minimum nowadays - not some great innovation or extra facility. Much smaller state associations have perfectly working floodlights.

Moreover, CESC has said that it is not the power supply but the lighting equipment that was faulty. How will a bigger UPS change things in that case?

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But it sounds so romantic!   

all crime and paap sounds romantic at first. but then you have to pay for ur deeds.

If only all criminals also had grace and elegance about them.

ok Mr Sobraj! or should i call you charles in charge?

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Of course there has been many issues with the power supply. But it is also common knowledge that decimating the Eden Gardens has been on the wishlist of the Western Union for long. Can we rule out the possibility of hanky panky? Such weird instances have happened in the past: http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Cables-stolen-at-Eden-Gardens/302602/

ha ha ha ... gangulians and their conspiracy theories. literally got me laughing out loud. thank god kids are busy opening and playing with their Xmas presents. would wonder why daddy is laughing so loudly and i dont want them to be exposed to these conspiracy theories.

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I still don't see why CAB should get anything extra for floodlights from the BCCI. CAB gets its annual grant like other states and also gets paid by the IPL for hosting matches. Those funds along with other sources should be enough to get good floodlights - which is a basic minimum nowadays - not some great innovation or extra facility. Much smaller state associations have perfectly working floodlights.

Moreover, CESC has said that it is not the power supply but the lighting equipment that was faulty. How will a bigger UPS change things in that case?

these commies have a sense of entitlement. BCCI ne CAB ka thekka le rakha hai! these gangulians have someone else to blame for everything.

they should suck it up and do the right thing. its always one thing or the other with them. i have never heard that many conspiracies and complaints by anyone else.

its not the western unions fault that they have mismanaged their funds and given away all their paying tickets for free. what a great way to blame others for your own incompetence and corruption

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I still don't see why CAB should get anything extra for floodlights from the BCCI. CAB gets its annual grant like other states and also gets paid by the IPL for hosting matches. Those funds along with other sources should be enough to get good floodlights - which is a basic minimum nowadays - not some great innovation or extra facility. Much smaller state associations have perfectly working floodlights.

The eden floodlights are unique because no other stadium has only 4 towers (because of space constraint). this makes the logistics out of the ordinary. Besides, do u know whether any of the other stadiums have accessed funds from BCCI for their own flood light installations or not. I don't know. If no other association has taken any money from BCCI for floodlights or other modernization processes, I'll have only one thing to say -- let CAB find their own fund sources. But if otherwise, I don't see how CAB should be deprived. Unless it has got something to do with things other than cricket and administration -- namely, ego clash and personal rivalry.

Moreover, CESC has said that it is not the power supply but the lighting equipment that was faulty. How will a bigger UPS change things in that case?

Did I say CESC was at fault? I don't think so. But voltage fluctuations happen, and it is true they happen more frequently these days (this much I can vouch for, being a resident of Kolkata). The equipment is apparently very sensitive to such fluctuations. That's why apparently the CAB claims the need for this new UPS system, or, failing which, complete overhauling of the lighting equipment using new gen lights that can withstand such fluctuations. Mind u, none of these r my opinions, but rather taken from CAB press releases.

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The special logistics issues are for CAB to work out.

I am not sure whether other associations got special funds over and above what they get in normal course from the BCCI. The whole idea appears silly to me.

I don't see how the BCCI can be so unequivocally blamed or suspected of wanting the CAB to die down - when till recently it was the same side in power in the CAB and BCCI.

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Oh come on we are talking as if lighting up of a stadium has never been done before and its something bigger than sending a rocket up...

There are tons of ways in which a stadium can be lighted up that can even be energy efficient, CAB should figure out what it wants to and approach BCCI with a feasibility report and Iam sure if it makes sense BCCI will share funds...

[Cernunnos]

Oh come on we are talking as if lighting up of a stadium has never been done before and its something bigger than sending a rocket up...

There are tons of ways in which a stadium can be lighted up that can even be energy efficient, CAB should figure out what it wants to and approach BCCI with a feasibility report and Iam sure if it makes sense BCCI will share funds...

You seriously think getting funds from the BCCI is that simple?
For organising the IPL, each venue received 3.5 crores as expense reimbursement. As the Eden Gardens is a bigger stadium, CAB (then run by the Dalmiya's arch-rival) expense bill overshot that mark by a few
crores. BCCI not just refused to reimburse that extra amount, they
declined to even pay up the 10 crore that every state board receives annually. (all this so that CAB does not re-elect Dalmiya). Dalmiya had to eventually
forego the extra amount to receive that 10 crore. Such is the armtwisting ways of the BCCI. Meanwhile Eden is in the midst of a 50 crore makeover for the World Cup, of which half the money is being raised by CAB itself. How much more can a state board raise, that too under such hostile circumstances?

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Then maybe a 50cr project should never have been thought up. Playing the victim has its limits.

Why should CAB get anything more than the other boards for the IPL. If the expenses are higher due to it being a bigger stadium, so is the earnings capability (and we are not even talking about the extra passion that Kolkattans have for the game making them come to the ground in bigger numbers). Silly excuse.

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Then maybe a 50cr project should never have been thought up. Playing the victim has its limits.

That is because it has to satisfy certain ICC stipulations.

Why should CAB get anything more than the other boards for the IPL. If the expenses are higher due to it being a bigger stadium, so is the earnings capability (and we are not even talking about the extra passion that Kolkattans have for the game making them come to the ground in bigger numbers). Silly excuse.

That is because the ticket rights were given to Red Chillies.

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1. Stipulations that all stadiums have to follow, I presume

2. Extra variable costs on IPL matches have to be borne by franchisee - even if this were not entirely the case, once a stadium is set up, the variable cost of holding a match should be much lower than the fixed cost. The fixed costs don't matter as they are already sunk - have to be recovered whether one IPL match is held or many.

Incidentally I'd like to know what proportion of tickets are actually sold and how many are tickets are given away. And in the latter, have membership / maintenance charges increased to keep pace with inflation?

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1. Stipulations that all stadiums have to follow, I presume

2. Extra variable costs on IPL matches have to be borne by franchisee - even if this were not entirely the case, once a stadium is set up, the variable cost of holding a match should be much lower than the fixed cost. The fixed costs don't matter as they are already sunk - have to be recovered whether one IPL match is held or many.

Incidentally I'd like to know what proportion of tickets are actually sold and how many are tickets are given away. And in the latter, have membership / maintenance charges increased to keep pace with inflation?

they havent. thats the problem. the cab is a corrupt body and to get votes have given away most of the tickets for free. thats what happened even for the last odi they sold zero tickets.

this is the case of a killer killing his parents and then wanting leniency on the count of being an orphan!

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1. Yes, obviously renovation costs for an old stadium with double capacity than most new stadia will run higher than normal. In spite of that, CAB is picking up half the tab.

2. Are you saying Red Chillies should have picked up the extra costs? Well I think that is what Dalmiya wanted too, but they didn't pay up. I am not exonerating the earlier CAB regime, but bear in mind that they were after all the puppet regime of the Western Union which was installed after they slapped false cases on Dalmiya.

3. The point though is the arm-twisting. Why should the issue of this extra
money be tied in with the payment of the 10 crore which every board got?

4. I too am not happy that ordinary cricket fans do not get the chance of watching the game. But that is the way the board is constituted when it comes to BCCI/CAB organized matches and complex litigation might follow if those complimentary tickets are not distributed.

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These figures are a bit dated, but it gives the overall picture. I know for a fact that it is notoriously difficult to get a ticket at the Wankhede, and that is shown here.


Out of the over 35,000 seats at the Wankhede, only about 5,000 were available for direct purchase.In Delhi's Ferozeshah Kotla, out of the 28,000 seats, just over 6,000 could be bought from the official agent. In Chennai's MAC, which has a capacity of about 50,000, officially 18,000 were sold, though the actual figure could be much less. In Bangalore, out of the 42,500 seats, only about 10,500 were open for direct purchase, out of which 8,500 were the punishing benches of the G stand.
http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?214589

Eden normally sells around 15,000-20,000 tickets out of it's 85,000 capacity.
Yet, it's only the Eden Gardens which gets skewered.

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so u are saying that cab is as crooked as the rest of the country

[Cernunnos]

so u are saying that cab is as crooked as the rest of the country

There is one difference - 20,000 available paid tickets is usually sufficient. (Many of the most enthusiastic fans get a complimentary pass anyway). I have not heard of fans not getting tickets, at least till the early 2000s. This match was an exception because half the stadium was unavailable.

5000 and 6000 for Mumbai and Delhi is deplorable. But I didn't see you and others start threads criticising these venues. I have personally had the experience of not getting a ticket at the Wankhede once.

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so u are saying that cab is as crooked as the rest of the country

There is one difference - 20,000 available paid tickets is usually sufficient. (Many of the most enthusiastic fans get a complimentary pass anyway). I have not heard of fans not getting tickets, at least till the early 2000s. This match was an exception because half the stadium was unavailable.

5000 and 6000 for Mumbai and Delhi is deplorable. But I didn't see you and others start threads criticising these venues. I have personally had the experience of not getting a ticket at the Wankhede once.

sure i did. check your dg history.

basically what it is is that CAB is as corrupt as the rest of the country or the rest of the bcci but you gangulians have this extra chip on your shoulder and like to blame the western union or the madrasi union or the dilli union or whatever.

its always someone else's fault. the convoluted sense of being a victim is so pathetic.

just the commie way ... khud kuch nahin karna .... but blame others for all your problems

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so u are saying that cab is as crooked as the rest of the country

There is one difference - 20,000 available paid tickets is usually sufficient. (Many of the most enthusiastic fans get a complimentary pass anyway). I have not heard of fans not getting tickets, at least till the early 2000s. This match was an exception because half the stadium was unavailable.

5000 and 6000 for Mumbai and Delhi is deplorable. But I didn't see you and others start threads criticising these venues. I have personally had the experience of not getting a ticket at the Wankhede once.

sure i did. check your dg history.

Ok, I don't remember seeing it, but I will take your word that you criticised Delhi for not opening enough tickets to the public.

basically what it is is that CAB is as corrupt as the rest of the country or the rest of the bcci but you gangulians have this extra chip on your shoulder and like to blame the western union or the madrasi union or the dilli union or whatever.

its always someone else's fault. the convoluted sense of being a victim is so pathetic.

just the commie way ... khud kuch nahin karna .... but blame others for all your problems

Who is blaming? Boards are constituted to give a certain % of tickets to affiliations and other groups. Now I don't work there to know what exactly that % is. But by and large from what I've felt, whoever has wanted to go see a match at the Eden has got a ticket. (others who have felt differently are free to point out so). I'm not complaining, so why should I point fingers.

about "khud kuch nahin karna" - don't forget sir that those floodlights which you are complaining about were the very first floodlights in a cricket stadium in India. Bengal started it, rest of India followed. I am only saying that now BCCI better not take cricket in the Eden Gardens for granted by it's arm twisting methods. If cricket dies in Eden and Bengal, who knows, rest of India might follow.

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so u are saying that cab is as crooked as the rest of the country

There is one difference - 20,000 available paid tickets is usually sufficient. (Many of the most enthusiastic fans get a complimentary pass anyway). I have not heard of fans not getting tickets, at least till the early 2000s. This match was an exception because half the stadium was unavailable.

5000 and 6000 for Mumbai and Delhi is deplorable. But I didn't see you and others start threads criticising these venues. I have personally had the experience of not getting a ticket at the Wankhede once.

sure i did. check your dg history.

Ok, I don't remember seeing it, but I will take your word that you criticised Delhi for not opening enough tickets to the public.

basically what it is is that CAB is as corrupt as the rest of the country or the rest of the bcci but you gangulians have this extra chip on your shoulder and like to blame the western union or the madrasi union or the dilli union or whatever.

its always someone else's fault. the convoluted sense of being a victim is so pathetic.

just the commie way ... khud kuch nahin karna .... but blame others for all your problems

Who is blaming? Boards are constituted to give a certain % of tickets to affiliations and other groups. Now I don't work there to know what exactly that % is. But by and large from what I've felt, whoever has wanted to go see a match at the Eden has got a ticket. (others who have felt differently are free to point out so). I'm not complaining, so why should I point fingers.

about "khud kuch nahin karna" - don't forget sir that those floodlights which you are complaining about were the very first floodlights in a cricket stadium in India. Bengal started it, rest of India followed. I am only saying that now BCCI better not take cricket in the Eden Gardens for granted by it's arm twisting methods. If cricket dies in Eden and Bengal, who knows, rest of India might follow.

if cricket dies in bengal or edens it would be due to the greed and incompetence of CAB and not for other reasons. Blaming bcci is stupid since CAB is part of the bcci. it works on the same way and is governed in the same way.

the problem of tickets being unavailable is perennial to the entire country. not just at the garden. CAB is no different. But if they give away most of their tickets then they cant turn around and complain about lack of funds.

there is a revenue opportunity. If your own incompetence or corruption or whatever causes it to dry up then you cant turn and complain about Western union or madrasi union.

cricket is one sport where lack of funds is not an excuse. If your local board cant make enough money from cricket for basic service of the stadium then there is something seriously wrong. to turn this around and blame someone else is just irresponsible.

On this very DG there were suggestions that the light not working was due to sabotage by the western union. it is exactly what the gangulians do. blame others for their own inadequacies.

Nothing stops CAB from giving fewer tickets for free and charging for more and then using that money to get new lights.  blaming others for their own incompetence is classic gangulian

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bondhu

if cricket dies in bengal or edens it would be due to the greed and incompetence of CAB and not for other reasons. Blaming bcci is stupid since CAB is part of the bcci. it works on the same way and is governed in the same way.

do not understand what you are trying to say here, but if it is the incompetence of the CAB which leads to the demise of staging international cricket in Kolkata, then so be it.

However, you were talking about CAB being equal to other associations and the BCCI in crime in the same breath, which then makes no sense.......

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so u are saying that cab is as crooked as the rest of the country

the problem of tickets being unavailable is perennial to the entire country. not just at the garden. CAB is no different. But if they give away most of their tickets then they cant turn around and complain about lack of funds.

true, indeed. difficult to get tickets for any ODI. test match tickets are available from the local bhel puri store.

when we (I meant my generation of cricket followers, admittedly older than the teenager you profess to be, and the next generation which you are in reality) tried to watch test matches the tickets were as obscure as for ODIs now.

never mind, the CAB ensured tickets for a certain percentage of their spectators, as annual members and life members of the association for every match played at the eden gardens, the money was used to build the stadium as it is now.

similarly, the Salt Lake Stadium, in Kolkata, was built partly with the money of the Gold and Silver members who paid money up front for promised tickets later on.

CAB acknowledged its pledge an provided tickets for its members, something that they were bound to do by law, even if they incurred a loss in revenue. hence the scenario during this ODI.

this is a kind of principle you do not even consider let alone understand.

CAB provided me with ticket to watch an entire test match in 1981, for Rs. 20, for five days, with lunch and tea included, and they did so for every single school boy cricketer, who participated in the summer school cricket tournament, they do this today.

I may remind you that the minimum price for a ticket in that match was Rs. 200.

there is a revenue opportunity. If your own incompetence or corruption or whatever causes it to dry up then you cant turn and complain about Western union or madrasi union.

money is not everything my bondhu, not now, not ever. the people who rule CAB know/knew that long ago.

demise of cricket in kolkata will indeed be the demise of cricket.

cricket is one sport where lack of funds is not an excuse. If your local board cant make enough money from cricket for basic service of the stadium then there is something seriously wrong. to turn this around and blame someone else is just irresponsible.

sorry.

that was not what was said by the poster above and I agree. Money due to the association was suppressed because of political reasons and that is far more irresponsible than your suggestion. Eden Gardens and its development will go ahead anyway.

On this very DG there were suggestions that the light not working was due to sabotage by the western union. it is exactly what the gangulians do. blame others for their own inadequacies.

totally agree with you here, other than the obviously poor attempt at inciting certain posters with comparable powers of comprehension to yours.

Nothing stops CAB from giving fewer tickets for free and charging for more and then using that money to get new lights.  blaming others for their own incompetence is classic gangulian

CAB was committed to giving away those tickets to its life/annual members.

thinking otherwise is obviously 'chappal' theory.

till date I thought those who wore 'chappal's had naked feet, today I feel the 'chappal' is an embodiment of a naked soul.

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The point is unclear:
1) Tickets to be provided to life members was a policy that was used. And if this is the cause of the lack of funds, then
the wisdom of that policy could be questioned. The method you describe was used to make Eden one of the foremost stadia in
the world, and perhaps the same policy means a lull for a while. So, if someone ought be blamed for this mess (and it is not necessary ... Eden has enjoyed a prominence for long, and this policy could create a passionate fan base ... all good things), it is the policy makers of that time.

2) From the figures posted by Cernunnos, it is totally unclear that this is the reason. For he seems to suggest that Eden still sells more tickets (as percentage) than the rest. So, it does not make sense that the life member -free ticket stuff is the reason for all this. But CP's numbers and Cernu's numbers are vastly different . 

3) I honestly don't see the point of having tests in venues where people never show up. ODI/T20s in such places are fine since people throng the grounds anyway. Similarly, in the recent past, Chennai has had tests at times when they should not (just about everyone agreed that those times were best for rains).  It would make sense to rotate tests among venues where there is viewership rather than send them to far flung places. This could help stadia like Eden if there are financial problems.

4)While sabotage may be a conspiracy theory (maybe I can suggest an even more probable conspiracy theory ... given the infighting in CAB, someone from the other camp was responsible for a sabotage?) there is no denying that there was politics going on between the BCCI and CAB. Whether that really led to clear cut victimization in terms of funds is a separate question. In order to make that allegation, one needs to supply more details.

5. I don't agree with KIC that each association should get the same amount of money either (although this statement may simply be because I am misunderstanding the situation). Yes, a larger stadium should imply larger earnings. But money spent by the board to maintain facilities should also be larger for larger stadia.

In any case if we do get into this discussion, is there a way of getting a clear picture of how the BCCI /State associations earn money?

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I am not talking about whether people get tickets direct on the day of the match - that is a different debate altogether.

I am simply talking about whether the CAB has managed to keep pace with inflation. I am in favour of the life membership concept - after all, they are also from the general public - and they pay upfront, so they should have certain facilities including free tickets. I would like such memberships to be transferable so that if I am moving out or lose interest, I can sell it to someone else.The question is whether the CAB is getting enough in exchange for these facilities. Most clubs have life members who pay a sum upfront but have to pay annual maintenance charges. It is thru these annual charges that a club continues to ride over inflation. Have the charges for life members of the CAB kept pace with inflation?

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bondhu

if cricket dies in bengal or edens it would be due to the greed and incompetence of CAB and not for other reasons. Blaming bcci is stupid since CAB is part of the bcci. it works on the same way and is governed in the same way.

do not understand what you are trying to say here, but if it is the incompetence of the CAB which leads to the demise of staging international cricket in Kolkata, then so be it.

However, you were talking about CAB being equal to other associations and the BCCI in crime in the same breath, which then makes no sense.......

here..

Next time just for you I will post in Punjabi. Will make it easier for you to understand.

but just last time in Princess's english, my claim is that IF cricket dies in Bengal (as cernu was spreading the fear mongering ... i personally dont think it is dying anytime soon) it will be due to CAB's incompetence and not due to anything that its parent body BCCI specially does to them.

so u are saying that cab is as crooked as the rest of the country

the problem of tickets being unavailable is perennial to the entire country. not just at the garden. CAB is no different. But if they give away most of their tickets then they cant turn around and complain about lack of funds.

true, indeed. difficult to get tickets for any ODI. test match tickets are available from the local bhel puri store.

when we (I meant my generation of cricket followers, admittedly older than the teenager you profess to be, and the next generation which you are in reality) tried to watch test matches the tickets were as obscure as for ODIs now.

never mind, the CAB ensured tickets for a certain percentage of their spectators, as annual members and life members of the association for every match played at the eden gardens, the money was used to build the stadium as it is now.

similarly, the Salt Lake Stadium, in Kolkata, was built partly with the money of the Gold and Silver members who paid money up front for promised tickets later on.

CAB acknowledged its pledge an provided tickets for its members, something that they were bound to do by law, even if they incurred a loss in revenue. hence the scenario during this ODI.

this is a kind of principle you do not even consider let alone understand.

CAB provided me with ticket to watch an entire test match in 1981, for Rs. 20, for five days, with lunch and tea included, and they did so for every single school boy cricketer, who participated in the summer school cricket tournament, they do this today.

I may remind you that the minimum price for a ticket in that match was Rs. 200.

Ok so you are saying that CAB (and by virtue of that the entire state of Bengal) is stupid.  

Stupid enough to get into a contract that forces them to give free tickets for life for most of the HUGE stadium and thus be in a huge financial strife. And now you want the BCCI to bail them out of a crisis that they themselves created?

Very good. So lets see if I can make you understand.

I will open a Medical clinic and ask people to invest $100 each and promise them medical care for life for $5 each. 5 years later as medical costs grow ... i should go to the bank to give me more money since i have huge obligations that i promised without figuring out what is involved.

how fair is that. People should be accountable for their own stupidity.

So let me say this again ... this time in Gujrati. "IF cricket dies in Bengal it will be due to CAB's incompetence and not due to anything that its parent body BCCI specially does to them".

there is a revenue opportunity. If your own incompetence or corruption or whatever causes it to dry up then you cant turn and complain about Western union or madrasi union.

money is not everything my bondhu, not now, not ever. the people who rule CAB know/knew that long ago.

demise of cricket in kolkata will indeed be the demise of cricket.

No one wants cricket to die in Kolkata. But if the  people who manage that are stupid and the constituents of the state not strong enough to keep them on track then what can we do? Let me say this again ... this time in Telugu for you "IF cricket dies in Bengal  it will be due to CAB's incompetence and not due to anything that its parent body BCCI specially does to them. "

cricket is one sport where lack of funds is not an excuse. If your local board cant make enough money from cricket for basic service of the stadium then there is something seriously wrong. to turn this around and blame someone else is just irresponsible.

sorry.

that was not what was said by the poster above and I agree. Money due to the association was suppressed because of political reasons and that is far more irresponsible than your suggestion. Eden Gardens and its development will go ahead anyway.

irrelevant. (Thank you pitamah)

On this very DG there were suggestions that the light not working was due to sabotage by the western union. it is exactly what the gangulians do. blame others for their own inadequacies.

totally agree with you here, other than the obviously poor attempt at inciting certain posters with comparable powers of comprehension to yours.

I dont think there are posters here who have my great high levels of comprehension. And i am not even talking of just the lowly gangulians.

Nothing stops CAB from giving fewer tickets for free and charging for more and then using that money to get new lights.  blaming others for their own incompetence is classic gangulian

CAB was committed to giving away those tickets to its life/annual members.

thinking otherwise is obviously 'chappal' theory.

till date I thought those who wore 'chappal's had naked feet, today I feel the 'chappal' is an embodiment of a naked soul.

ab kuch bengali main sunaoon kya?