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[vincent]

I too think it will not happen, at least not now. There are already a dozen other requests for new states. Without a proper process it will be a mess.

However, below is an interesting view not heard coming from any politician:

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Hyderabadi way is rooted in Telangana

13 December 2009, ToI
 
Hyderabad is bang in the middle of Telangana, it should go to Telangana. The people of Hyderabad are either from Telangana or migrated here from elsewhere. My family, for example, came here 400 years ago from the north.

Hyderabadi culture is certainly unique, but a lot of that culture is evident in most districts of Telangana - the people speak a kind of local Urdu, which I speak too. Exposure has meant that many non-Telangana inhabitants of the region have also started speaking a bit of this Urdu. And then there is the kind of Telugu we speak, or the Telugu songs we learned as children - a mix of Telugu and Urdu - so there is much Telangana influence too.

Of course, all cities, countries, and states are dynamic; they keep changing and growing. Still, I would prefer to see Hyderabad rediscover its original personality. There was hardly any history of communal violence in the city (except in the days just before Independence) because there were conscious attempts by the Nizams to create a composite culture, and even earlier under the Golconda dynasty.

The plural character of the place dates back to its founder Quli Qutb Shah, who ruled from the fort-city of Golconda. When Golconda got too crowded, it was hit so badly by a plague that the king had no choice but to move to the plains. So he came down from the hill and built Hyderabad city. It was here that he married Bhagmati, a local woman who was basically a courtesan. As a prince, he would cross the river even when it was in full spate to meet her. His father didn't protest that he was meeting a Hindu courtesan. Instead, he built a bridge to help him cross the river safely!

Quli Qutb Shah named Hyderabad ‘Bhagyanagar' for her. When he made her his queen, she was named Hyder Mahal, from where the city got its name. So, it's a very composite culture: Quli Qutb Shah himself was a scholar of Urdu, Persian and Telugu. Both his poet laureates, Peddana and Errana, wrote in Telugu. He too wrote in Telugu. Even later, till the reign of the last Nizam, various groups of people had a lot of say in Hyderabad. The Muslims predominated, but there was also the north Indian nobility, Telugu nobility, Parsi Nawabs, Maharashtrian Rajas.

We, for example, my father and his children, used to wear the sherwani and fez all the time. My family, my ancestor as far back as we can go was Raja Raghunath, Aurangzeb's wazir-e-azam (grand wazir, or prime minister). When he died, one of his two sons travelled south with Nizam-ul-Mulk, the first of the Asaf Jahi dynasty, who was appointed governor of the Deccan. So, our ancestor became part of the Nizam's nobility.

Besides ruling three districts of the Nizam's territory, our family was also in charge of revenue collection, maal guzari; as a result, our estate was called the Malwala Estate.

I have always spoken more Urdu than Hindi. Even today, I am more comfortable with the Arabic script than Devnagiri. Even today we don't greet our elders with namaste, we say adaab. This culture is so much a part of us that when I first met my wife Pratibha, she asked me: "Are you Muslim?" I said, "Well, you can tell from my name!"

The cultural plurality was such that this kind of ambiguity was possible. This ambiguity still exists in old Hyderabadi families; even the Andhra people who have settled in the region have absorbed some of this culture.

I would hope that once Telangana state is created, this plurality will be restored. Post-Independence, the people of Andhra have dominated the economy; they have prospered while the people of Telangana continue to be backward. One reason could be that the people of Telangana were more laidback, possibly because of our culture - after all it was a princely state! Many Telangana districts have Muslim names (Nizamabad, Karimnagar, Mahbubnagar). This too reflects its plural culture. You don't find that in the Andhra area.

Statehood for Telangana would hopefully restore the old plural culture. But God knows if this will come to pass.

* Vijay Karan retired as Director of the CBI and also served as Commissioner of Police, Delhi. He belongs to one of Hyderabad's oldest families. He spoke to Parvati Sharma 
 

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WicketView:

KCR is a crook. It is unfortunate that the Congress High Command made the decision after this crook's hunger strike. I guess though the pressure has come now, they have actually looked at the history of Telangana and its separation movements.

For your Information, in 1969 Jai Telangana Movement, 350 Telangana people lost their lives in the police firing ordered by "General Dyer of Telangana" Mr. Kasu Brahmananda Reddy, the then CM of AP. They should have given Telangana then. But then the PM of India was another crook called Indira *hi.

KCR always said he would not become the CM of telangana, if formed. He said somebody from SC/ST caste would be made CM. But he didn't win enough seats in Telangana in the last elections. NO body believes him. I don't think his party would win majority seats, if Telangana state is formed and fresh elections are called.

Thanks.

Again some other Congress or TDP politician would become chief minister. But that person would be from Telangana. India/AP is developing with the help of those crooked leaders only, right? It will develop despite these politicians. But now the focus of the government would be solely on Telangana region.

So, if I understand you correctly, you are hoping that since these guys will have to get votes only from the Telengana region
they will have to do something there, and just hoping for votes from the Hyderabad region will not push them through. Therefore, even for their own interests they will have to do something in Telengana. I can completely believe that.

I had a second question (about what you expect to drive the economy in the region).

[indcric]

I had a second question (about what you expect to drive the economy in the region).

The answer is: What would you do to drive the economy in any other region in India or anywhere in the world. The same thing. Create  more businesses and thus more employment. Create more higher educational institutions with emphasis towards self-employment and creation of small businesses.

[indcric]

Nothing has changed in the last few days after chidambaram's declaration. The Congress High-command is trying to pacify the MLAs, by saying that there would be no telangana without assembly resolution. But according to Indian constitution, there is absolutely no requirement for an assembly resolution. The parliament resolution is enough. The constitution was written in such a way because, in most cases, the people and their representatives in the other part of the state will not  agree for a division. They can't force their will on the people who want a separate state.

Meanwhile, Lagadapati Rajagopal is being made a joker. He earlier declared that he would do hunger strike and now he is transported to his home. What will happen in his home is any body's guess. It will be more useful to him politically and health-wise, if he does hunger strike for at least a week, so that he loses lot of fat that he has (although it is the most unhealthy way of losing fat)  and he will gain some political capital.

[ramshorns]

Folks.  As of now everything is statusquo.  No Telangana if were to read how the AICC is wording things.

Congress made a hasty decision and they are embarassed by the backlash.  Majority in Andhra Pradesh do not want the state bifurcated.

They called for a consensus and a resolution in the assembly which is not going to happen as there was no conviction to the way things were done to begin with a small matter to bifurcate a state that was to decide the fate of 8 crore people.  Nevermind.

In the meantime 12 others states potentially want a seperate state.

Congress no command as I call it will let Telangana drag and die a slow death and KCR can bid goodbye to his aspirations.

[WicketView]

I had a second question (about what you expect to drive the economy in the region).

The answer is: What would you do to drive the economy in any other region in India or anywhere in the world. The same thing. Create  more businesses and thus more employment. Create more higher educational institutions with emphasis towards self-employment and creation of small businesses.

So, more of an urban economy. So, the irrigation/water issues are not related to agriculture, but necessary for living in the region.

[indcric]

These Andhra guys keep on saying "what injustice was done to telangana" etc. There was something called a Gentlemen's agreement at the time of merging Andhra state with Hyderabad state to form AP. After forming AP, these chief ministers didn't honor the agreement.

Now, all these parties Congress, TDP, PRP included Telangana in their election manifesto. They even told that they were in favour of forming Telangana in "all party meeting" conducted by AP CM just 10 days back. Now after Telangana is declared, these andhra MLAs resigned. So, you know, everything these Andhra people say about doing justice to Telangana is like something written on water.

We lost faith in these guys and that is why we need our own separate state.

[ramshorns]

Injustices are done to all regions if one were to use such terms.   Rayalaseema,  Andhra, Telangana.   It is only that people from Telangana know to rant more than the folks from say Rayalaseema IMO.   There is no strong reason to bifurcate the state at this point without any thought put into it.   Development across all three regions can be achieved if one wants to.  So goons like KCR who have no mandate in Telangana districts and worse no support in his own TRS are the poster boys in all this.  It is so shameful that the inept Congress at the center even gave these kinds of divisive forces a hope.   

Screw the election manifestos.  They do not mean much in Indian politics.  If one were to go by that there will be no sane person left in the entire land.  They are all cheats who want to grab power at all costs.

[WicketView]

Rams,
Your statements suggest that a large part of the Hyderabad population (wherever they came from originally) would not want to live in Telengana.  They would be happy to live in Andhra Pradesh or a UT but not Telengana. Can you explain the cause of this feeling.

WV:I will answer this another time if I have to with more details.  But I am sure some of the apphrehensions I have outlined in many of my posts here are noted by you.   Also reply # 65 a posted article outlines what the majority of the Hyderabadi's feel from no matter where they made it big coming from either Telangana or Andhra or Rayalaseema or other parts of India(Marwaris, Sikhs, Sindhi's, Tamils etc).

I have picked up hints (actually more concrete ones from indcric) but I am trying to get you to state it so that I can be sure. I will also try to make the question clearer.

I am trying to put myself in the shoes of one of the Hyderabadis who may originally hail from the region or other parts of the state or even different parts of the country, who have played a role (perhaps small) in the city's growth. And, I assume the state is being divided into Telengana, and Andhra (otherwise the question does not arise).

I would think that these people would not care too much whether Hyderabad went to Telengana or became a Union Terretory, if Hyderabad remains the  same. So, evidently if there is a demand tomake it a UT) they think Hyderabad is going to change (for the worse) if it goes to Telengana. What I am asking is:
a) Is this because they feel they will be treated as outsiders in Hyderabad if Telengana takes it?
Or b) is it because they believe that businesses will falter under a Telengana gpvt?
c) A third alternative seems to be that they may actually want to divert some of the Hyderabad wealth to the coast (assuming the identify themselves as coastal people as indcric seems to suggest at times), and don't want Hyderabad to go to Telengana because these efforts would be thwarted. This seems unlikely, because making it a UT does not help in particular, except it may be a way of stalling the process.

So which is it? Or is it something else I am missing?

[indcric]

Who are the poster boys for  United andhra? and UT Hyderbad? kabja boys, factionists and rowdies.

What is the earlier profession of Danam Nagendar and Mukesh Goud who demand Hyderabad as UT? Rowdyism. It is their current profession too, but they do that using their gangs. So they are the poster boys for people demanding Hyderabad as UT.

Hmm. So the election manifestos mean nothing. All party meeting of floor leaders in state assembly means nothing. Which implies elections mean nothing, democracy means nothing.

Agreements will be made and not honored. Claim Hyderabad after migrating to it. Next thing, claim USA after migrating to it.

Screw the election manifestos. Screw the agreements.

Forget about Madras, Lucknow, Bhophal and Patna. When it comes to our own house, we need new rules.

Go on. That tells who is ranting and who has a reasonable demand.

[indcric]

WV:

Andhra people think that if Hyderabad goes with Telangana, the land value of guys who bought land in Hyderabad goes down. The real estate business of Lagadapati Rajagopal goes down. There will be no need to do land kabja, because the land will not be in demand.

But I don't understand that reason. Hyderabad is developed. We are living in democracy not under a dictator. Why would there be a problem for security? Why would the land value go down as long as Hyderabad is still being developed?

Why would Andhra people be treated as outsiders, in case Hyderabad goes to Telangana? Are gujarathis and rajasthanis being treated so now?

Why will the businesses falter under Telangana government? Any way, as they say KCR's party won only 10 MLA seats and he doesn't have mandate even in Telangana region. So why are they worried about KCR and the effect he might have on the businesses?

Exactly. You got it right. These demands of making Hyderabad a UT, Greater Rayalaseema, Kalinga Andhra etc are all the ways to stall the process of forming Telangana.

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WV:

Andhra people think that if Hyderabad goes with Telangana, the land value of guys who bought land in Hyderabad goes down. The real estate business of Lagadapati Rajagopal goes down. There will be no need to do land kabja, because the land will not be in demand.

But I don't understand that reason. Hyderabad is developed. We are living in democracy not under a dictator. Why would there be a problem for security? Why would the land value go down as long as Hyderabad is still being developed?

So you think they are worried because of a misconception? Good ... because from one of your previous posts I got the impression that you were saying that land prices would go down and was going to ask you about it. Thanks for clearing it up.

Exactly. You got it right. These demands of making Hyderabad a UT, Greater Rayalaseema, Kalinga Andhra etc are all the ways to stall the process of forming Telangana.

Thanks. I think I got your view. I will also hope to find out what the others feel. This is what is good about an interactive forum, where one can ask  a poster the reason for a comment and get an answer rather than an article which might be more professionally written but will be opaque about these points.

[indcric]

If Rayalaseema people genuinely feel that they want a separate state because of injustice done to them, they can mix hands with Telangana MLAs and get these both separate state resolutions (Rayalaseema & Telangana) passed in AP assembly. The number of MLAs from Telangana + Number of MLAs from Rayalaseema > Number of MLAs from Andhra.

They are not doing that. That itself means Greater Rayalaseema is a fake demand being made to stall the process of forming Telangana.

[ramshorns]

Who are the poster boys for  United andhra? and UT Hyderbad? kabja boys, factionists and rowdies.

What is the earlier profession of Danam Nagendar and Mukesh Goud who demand Hyderabad as UT? Rowdyism. It is their current profession too, but they do that using their gangs. So they are the poster boys for people demanding Hyderabad as UT.

Hmm. So the election manifestos mean nothing. All party meeting of floor leaders in state assembly means nothing. Which implies elections mean nothing, democracy means nothing.

Agreements will be made and not honored. Claim Hyderabad after migrating to it. Next thing, claim USA after migrating to it.

Screw the election manifestos. Screw the agreements.

Forget about Madras, Lucknow, Bhophal and Patna. When it comes to our own house, we need new rules.

Go on. That tells who is ranting and who has a reasonable demand.

Look before accusing others of rowdyism etc go look at how people from Telangana act.

KCR and his family that includes his nephew are funded by all these guys.

Folks go read #65.   These guys made a living out of looting hardworking people because they have no acumen and when times comes to show up accuse others of the same.   Typical tactics to intimidate as was seen throughout the times.

Hyderabad is part of United Andhra and developed accordingly and should belong to all.  In case the state needs to be split Hyd will and should be a UT but that ain't happening because the state is not getting bifurcated.  Lucknow, Bhopal does not matter here. 

Looks like people who are fanatic about dividing a state are loosing their cool here because they have the wrong reasons in mind.

[indcric]

Even my town in Karimnagar district is part of United Andhra and so are 100 other towns in Telangana. Lot of teachers, businessmen who came from andhra developed them.
So, let us make all those 100 other towns as separate states or UTs too. Wow, sirji, what an idea?

In spite of themselves telling that KCR has no mandate in Telangana, how does he become poster boy. KCR is one crook who helped Telangana. Nothing more. There are even accusations that he is originally from Andhra.

Wrong reasons? Didn't show one proper reason for making Hyderabad a UT and accusing others?
Whatever that doesn't favor them doesn't matter. Election manifestos, other state divisions, floor leader meetings all doesn't matter. Only their selfish interests matter.

Who is losing cool and calling others  fanatic? I just named Nagendar and Mukesh as rowdies (who were). Be cool man.

[ramshorns]

Even my town in Karimnagar district is part of United Andhra and so are 100 other towns in Telangana. Lot of teachers, businessmen who came from andhra developed them.
So, let us make all those 100 other towns as separate states or UTs too. Wow, sirji, what an idea?

I am not sure any of of those towns qualify as metropolis for one as Hyderabad that has about 80 lakh people.   I am not even sure if anyone outside of AP really are aware of a place called Karimnagar or let us better say it is not a bargaining chip as Hyderabad.  So we need to get away from being silly and take stock of the situation with a certain seriousness.

In spite of themselves telling that KCR has no mandate in Telangana, how does he become poster boy. KCR is one crook who helped Telangana. Nothing more. There are even accusations that he is originally from Andhra.

Wrong reasons? Didn't show one proper reason for making Hyderabad a UT and accusing others?
Whatever that doesn't favor them doesn't matter. Election manifestos, other state divisions, floor leader meetings all doesn't matter. Only their selfish interests matter.

No matter what I say regards to Hyderabad the reasons to you will not look proper.   Nevertheless the statehood is not happening so I will not further waste my time on it.

Regarding selfishness don't you think it reeks of the same the way you are going on and on about Telangana.  Tell me about it.

Who is losing cool and calling others  fanatic? I just named Nagendar and Mukesh as rowdies (who were). Be cool man.

Your single stance view about Telangana being a victim here and your projection of rest of Andhra as some kind of a villian is what I am getting at.

I have nothing to do with the two gents mentioned above.  Feel free to call them as you see fit.  But be aware though of what I posted on #65 which is really distrubing and what gets my goat and  raises apphrehensions.

[indcric]

So who said that a metropolis (Hyderabad is not a metro, even if you call it repeatedly) should be made a UT or state? You are making a silly argument, that is why I am making it look as it is.

Who told separate statehood is not happening? Your inside sources? I guess you need to stop being a laughing stock by quoting your inside sources  not just on this DG but also in a discussion with your friends. I also have my inside sources who is the grand daughter of Sonia's personal secretary. She is my friend's girl-friend. Can you verify that?

If it is not being done, why are andhra people still agitating? Why is an educated businessman like Rajagopal who is also an MP who has more reliable inside sources than Ramshorns is still doing hunger strike?

I am projecting a victim as a victim, unlike your fictitious theory that Hyd will be a victim if it goes with telangana.

Since you are not offering any genuine reasons, nobody is going to take you seriously including me.

So stop quoting unverifiable sources, stop making predictions, stop making baseless statements like this doesn't matter, that doesn't matter.

Instead offer some valid argument with facts and proper reasons. Leave me, but let atleast one person on this DG say that your argument is valid or your reason is proper.

Did you offer at least one reason here in this thread? If so, which one is that?

When I said that the majority of United Andhra state doesn't matter, it is supported by Constitution of India. Constitution of India says majority opinion of United state doesn't matter. What matters is how majority of Parliament votes. So show me some law which says this doesn't matter or that doesn't matter or at least show me a previous scenario where it didn't matter. Do not make blank statements. If you continue to make them, others & I will just ignore & laugh at them.

[ramshorns]

So who said that a metropolis (Hyderabad is not a metro, even if you call it repeatedly) should be made a UT or state? You are making a silly argument, that is why I am making it look as it is.

No I am not saying that.  What I am saying is no one when deciding on dividing a state will care about Karimnagar or Adilabad as much as Hyderabad and that is what it boils down to.  Again you are snapping.  I understand the urge to take the new state and Hyderabad along with it while expecting the rest of the state which by the way is in the majority to lay down and accept.  Now that I am sure will be acceptable to you no matter how silly it looks to the others.

Who told separate statehood is not happening? Your inside sources? I guess you need to stop being a laughing stock by quoting your inside sources  not just on this DG but also in a discussion with your friends. I also have my inside sources who is the grand daughter of Sonia's personal secretary. She is my friend's girl-friend. Can you verify that?

If it is not being done, why are andhra people still agitating? Why is an educated businessman like Rajagopal who is also an MP who has more reliable inside sources than Ramshorns is still doing hunger strike?

So if my inside sources say Telangana is happening will that make you happy.  I am sure it will.  Then may be I will not be a laughing stock perhaps.

Ofcourse the people for United Andhra will have to agiatate to get the idoits who made a hasty call to declare a seperate state just like that to make them look at the folly in their hastiness.

I am projecting a victim as a victim, unlike your fictitious theory that Hyd will be a victim if it goes with telangana.

Since you are not offering any genuine reasons, nobody is going to take you seriously including me.

Not really.  You are only projecting a section of the region that you are interested in as the victim when in essense it is not the truth.   And coming to Hyderabad will be a victim if it goes to Telangana we already saw the sample even before it has gone to the said region.  Reply#65 attests to that.  So regardless of your claims to not being able to offer any genuine reasons there are quite a few out there and again when we do not like them it is natural to feel so.

So stop quoting unverifiable sources, stop making predictions, stop making baseless statements like this doesn't matter, that doesn't matter.

Instead offer some valid argument with facts and proper reasons. Leave me, but let atleast one person on this DG say that your argument is valid or your reason is proper.

Did you offer at least one reason here in this thread? If so, which one is that?

You want me to stop saying anything I found out because it does not really sit well with you.   As I said there is no way I am convincing someone who made up their mind to divide at all costs.   I understand that.

When I said that the majority of United Andhra state doesn't matter, it is supported by Constitution of India. Constitution of India says majority opinion of United state doesn't matter. What matters is how majority of Parliament votes. So show me some law which says this doesn't matter or that doesn't matter or at least show me a previous scenario where it didn't matter. Do not make blank statements. If you continue to make them, others & I will just ignore & laugh at them.

I am sure the backlash the decison is getting is enough for this thing to not even make it to parliament anytime soon and hence the majority does matter.  So I do not have to show any laws here.  Any person who has can google can get that.  I am giving my take on the whole thing.  Since it is not to your liking you are snapping.  I am not posting here to score  brownie points but to counter your one side view which are nothing based on ground realities but hell bent on breaking a state after the important piece to all this Hyderabad has been developed by the very people you have been bad mouthing since your first post along with other citizens from around the country who have nothing to do with Telangana.   You want a fact.  There is one.   I am sure that will not be a reason enough for you since it will not be to your liking.

[indcric]

Probably you are referring to Reply #66. Is that a big issue? Naxals are a problem everywhere in the country. As the IG Anuradha told in that same news story, this extortion was there earlier too in Hyderabad. But it was not given that importance then. Now, I see why people are again giving it importance and that too Deccan Chronicle, just one more fake issue like Greater Rayalaseema. The people who take the decisions, are well aware of these kind of propa*a. Don't fall for it. Be it United Andhra or United India, the issue of naxals and extortion will be there.

Hmm. I thought reply #65 really had an issue of significant importance. One more fake issue failing to fool no body.

[ramshorns]

Probably you are referring to Reply #66. Is that a big issue? Naxals are a problem everywhere in the country. As the IG Anuradha told in that same news story, this extortion was there earlier too in Hyderabad. But it was not given that importance then. Now, I see why people are again giving it importance and that too Deccan Chronicle, just one more fake issue like Greater Rayalaseema. The people who take the decisions, are well aware of these kind of propa*a. Don't fall for it. Be it United Andhra or United India, the issue of naxals and extortion will be there.

Hmm. I thought reply #65 really had an issue of significant importance. One more fake issue failing to fool no body.

When the same extortion is done by folks from Andhra region or Rayalaseema regions then it becomes a blasphemy but as this is done widely in Hyderabad by people belonging to Telangana it becomes acceptable and not a big deal.  Even though they are on the rise ever since the idiots from center's ill conceived move to declare a separate state without any conviction.

We can blame the newpapers for reporting things as they see it with an agenda.  And we should accept things as is and divide the state just to pacify the minority citizens of AP that want to bifurcate the state.  Everything is a fake issue because it is committed in Telanagana as it is their birth right to extort.     

[flute]

Guys, politics in India is 90% division of people. Let us not fall for those carefully devised methods to make us emotional. Let us start with one undeniable fact
No politician involved in current issue covered himself/herself in glory. All of them are crooks.

Abusing or defending the people who are campaigning for your fav position on this issue is only falling for their dramas.

Moving away from specific personalities or specific events, here is my take

1. Hating or criticizing people from particular region of the State is total BS. No matter how it turns our at the end, all are still Indians first and telugus second.

2. I hope, the current rhetoric is toned down and a voice of conciliation and accomodation is adopted by both sides.

For example, I am yet to see a strong statement from telangana folks which reassures that anybody in Hyd is safe no matter how it turns out, that the future will not be mired in river water related disputes. Why don't we see a single telanaga leader come forward and strongly reassure that telangana will not dry out coastal andhra after separation? Why the wild celebrations when the situation is so emotional?


Coming to people who are opposing the separation is doing a great mistake by flat out denying the bad treatment given to telangana region.

I see many folks taking hardened position out of pure emotions without finding out the specific details of the issues telangana people are agitated about. Did you take time to find out if there is grave injustice in water distribution? (
Personally, I think grave injustice is being made to the telangana region in water distribution. Weather it justifies separation is a different matter.)


Any argument which opposes telangan MUST include points which addresses the unfair treatment given to Telangana. If someone is really interested in avoiding bifarcation, how can you flat out deny their grievances, shut your eyes and hope they will go away? It will only add to more dissatisfaction and especially now that they are expecting an imminent separate state, any attempt now to block it without addressing the issues will only lead to permanent deep divisions within the state and will significant dent in development of the whole state. To avoid it, people who are opposed to separate state should behave responsibly without treating the folks who are   agitating like fools.

3. Hypocrisy: As is the case with any major issue of debate in India, hypocrisy prevails over everything else. This issue appears to be the same as reservations. People hardening their stance out of self interest but hiding behind rhetoric. Pro telangana folks need to acknowledge the fact that Hyd is a prize catch instead of hiding behind hyd being part of telangana since long long time. People who are opposed to separate state should realize that there would not be much opposition to separation if a. Hyd is not involved b. if water is not originating in Telangana. So, it is better to not hide behind united andhra slogan, if you are really worried about your investment in Hyd or water for your farm in coastal andhra.

[indcric]

Can you analyze anything properly as it is? When did Andhra or Rayalaseema people were involved in extortion? We never raised this issue. Can you prove that those people that are involved now are from Telangana? Start being reasonable. This is a network of 10-15 individuals. Not a big deal.
These type of law & order issues come up often and are dealt with easily by police. The police solved this in the past. They will do in the future.

 These are not naxalites. As clearly told by IG Anuradha, these are pseudo-naxals (who take the name of naxals just for extortion). Anti-social elements take the most recent issue and make money. They continuously keep looking for issues and make money.

Tying that to telengana issue and treating it as a huge issue that affects state division is what I called propa*a. As I can see it now, you clearly lost the debate and making mountains out of molehills.

Not offering any proper reasons, raking up fake issues, making bald statements, calling names etc all are indicative of not having any valid point and losing the debate.

Unless you come up with a real issue that can't be controlled, if Hyderabad goes with Telangana, there is no point prolonging the debate.

[ramshorns]

Can you analyze anything properly as it is? When did Andhra or Rayalaseema or Telangana people were involved in extortion? We never raised this issue. Can you prove that those people that are involved now are from Telangana? Start being reasonable.

 These are not naxalites. As clearly told by IG Anuradha, these are pseudo-naxals (who take the name of naxals just for extortion). Anti-social elements take the most recent issue and make money. They continuously keep looking for issues and make money.

Tying that to telengana issue and treating it as a huge issue that affects state division is what I called propa*a.

Did you ever live in bylanes of Hyderabad and see what goes on.  Let us not just put all this on naxals or pseduo-naxals and exonerate the thugs from Telangana because you are trying to paint a distorted picture here by acting as if Telangana people are all saints and people from rest of Andhra Pradesh as if some kind of evil.  If any thing there is hardly any truth to all this.

Even two days back I heard bullying from the street thugs who are spoiled brats who think Hyderabad is their grandfather's property coming to small tiffin centers and tea stalls and threatening people if Telangana is not formed they will destroy their shops to which these hard working people simply retorted "if you want us to leave, we will leave'  kind of a scenario.  These are the very people who take money from these vendors regularly.   I do not expect Anuradha to know all this.  She is probably deputed here few months back and will leave when her time is up.  But she is not the overall authority to know what exactly goes on.  I perhaps know more on what happens in Hyderabad than she does.

They do this all the time in the name of belonging or claiming as locals.

Now when there is a talk of a seperate state why should these people not be apphrehensive.   They should be and need to take care of themselves.

I got news - Leaders from Telangana are inept and lazy by even Indian political standards -  They are into arrack and liquor and all the Maza.    You think they will give two hoots to protect the victims I described here.  No way.  They will even join in the act with it eventually bringing everything down perhaps.  That is te people's worry and may I add the majority of the state.

[ramshorns]

As I can see it now, you clearly lost the debate and making mountains out of molehills.

Not offering any proper reasons, raking up fake issues, making bald statements, calling names etc all are indicative of not having any valid point and losing the debate.

Unless you come up with a real issue that can't be controlled, if Hyderabad goes with Telangana, there is no point prolonging the debate.

As you see it.  Really.  I got news for now.  You can see nothing but Telangana bias and pro Telangana stance.  What did you bring to the table excepting some unwanted history which any one can google.   History of the past is not needed here and not relevent to the present situation
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This is not 1969.  2009 and dynamics have changed.  Hyderabad is huge to all this and should not be part of Telangana but United Andhra since it was developed under that banner to benefit all regions.   So it should be treated as such.

And you want to distort that and take away a city for free because it had some prior history and developed beyond Any Telangana leader's dream.   

Looks at your reasoning's before calling on others.

As far as name calling you even went to the extent to brand people as Andhra, Rayalaseema, Telangana etc and bad mouth people belonging to the other two regions.  I still say there needs to be a unity and issues resolved to benefit the common man but not division.

Atleast I am calling for a United Andhra instead of branding myself as a Hyderabadi and wanting a UT which is not totally unreasonable based on what Telangana people are asking here.  I am proud of my stance and my singular passion for the state to remain united.

[indcric]

Man, you are still debating without any proper reasons? You say that you know more about this extortion stuff than IG of Police? Hahaha. Do you know Anuradha's posting history and where she worked? She mostly worked in Telangana region and know the real problem of real Naxalites.  You have gone from naive to ridiculous. Please stop it here for your own reputation on the DG.

Yes. I have lived in Hyderabad. I did polytechnic in Hyderabad. I did B.Tech from JNTU,  Hyderabad. I worked as an Engineer in Hyderabad for 6 years (I lived in Kukatpally area at that time and eaten at those small restaurants that you are talking). Total of 13 years.

Some protestors of Telangana Agitation came and threatened the small restauarants and tea shops? They do that regularly? Then, they are local rowdies. That is a big issue? Local Rowdies in all the cities all around India do that. They use different reasons at different times. That is called rowdy mamool. This happens even in vizag and vijayawada with a different name.

Anuradha doesn't know how serious this is. Will any of Pranab Mukherjee, Manmohan Singh worry about this when taking decision about state division? You are kidding yourself.

All you did on this thread was Reply #66. That was your only contribution, as you only asked people to look at multiple times. That came from a glance at that day's DC newspaper and  you claim to know more than IG of Police, Anuradha?

No, I didn't google. I am an educated Telangana person, who read history, who lived with students from different parts of Andhra Pradesh in the college Hostel and heard their first hand experience of real problems.

If you are really aware of the problems of Hyderabad, how about coming up with some serious reasons of high magnitude and backing that up with a reasonable debate? You can't do that. You didn't do that for the last 100 posts.

Drinking  Water Problems in Nalgonda & Mahaboobnagar are history? Lack of Industries in Telangana region are history? Lack of roads, railway lines and airports in Telangana region are history? Lack of water for crops in Telangana are history?

They are all there now. They have been there for last 50 years. Nothing has been done to address those by the chief ministers. They are the present problems being faced by Telangana.

As you told yourself, it seems your knowledge on this issue is limited to your recent talking to people from different regions and that one DC paper news story.

Some final piece of advice, as I don't have much time to waste on you:
1) Stop ridiculing yourself by bringing up fake, non-serious issues of local rowdies doing rowdy mamool vasool.
2) Read (not glance) newspapers and analyze the news stories and understand the gravity of the real, serious problems of Hyderabad, Andhra, Rayalaseema and Telangana.

[ramshorns]

Man, you are still debating without any proper reasons? You say that you know more about this extortion stuff than IG of Police? Hahaha. Do you know Anuradha's posting history and where she worked? She mostly worked in Telangana region and know the real problem of real Naxalites.  You have gone from naive to ridiculous. Please stop it here for your own reputation on the DG.

Do not worry about my reputation especially seeing it through your distorted pro-Telangana stance. I said Naxal issue has nothing to do with what these pro-Telangana activists who in the name of a seperate state are trying to bully people extorting stuff.   So Anuradha's past with dealing with them has no bearing on what has been started recently again by these so called thugs in Hyderabad and people living there day in and day out know it a lot better and hence need not necessarily go by some of the sound bytes she gave.   Do not twist.

Yes. I have lived in Hyderabad. I did polytechnic in Hyderabad. I did B.Tech from JNTU,  Hyderabad. I worked as an Engineer in Hyderabad for 6 years. Total of 13 years.

Some protestors of Telangana Agitation came and threatened the small restauarants and tea shops? They do that regularly? Then, they are local rowdies. That is a big issue? Local Rowdies in all the cities all around India do that. They use different reasons at different times. That is called rowdy mamool. This happens even in vizag and vijayawada with a different name.

Anuradha doesn't know how serious this is. Will any of Pranab Mukherjee, Manmohan Singh worry about this when taking decision about state division? You are kidding yourself.

No you again as usual are missing the point and subjecting youself to ridicule.   The people who do not want the state to be divided ofcourse will be very nervous if Hyderabad indeed does goes to Telangana.  Why should they not be?   Because with your short-sightedness you say so.

The idiot Mukharjee and the impotent Manmohan knew nothing about the ground realities and decided to break the state because of some goon fasting and the backlash is there for all to see.  So I am not the one kdding myself here but the myopic Telangana activists who want Hyderabad for free and for which they did nothing really speaking.

All you did on this thread was Reply #66. That was your only contribution, as you only asked people to look at multiple times. That came from a glance at that day's DC newspaper and  you claim to know more than IG of Police, Anuradha?

Ofcourse that article is only a sample.   That is what is happening for people to feel insecured about.  So the point is not as much as I may or may not know more than Anuradha but the reailty of what is happening and apphrehensions of the people which I am on top of.

No, I didn't google. I am an educated Telangana person, who read history, who lived with students from different parts of Andhra Pradesh in the college Hostel and heard their first hand experience of real problems.

Could be and I can post some of the the same history I know of but that necessarily will not be relevent here and you of all people will dismiss it anyway if that does not cater to pro-Telanagana the only thing you perhaps are brainwashed into.

If you are really aware of the problems of Hyderabad, how about coming up with some serious reasons of high magnitude and backing that up with a reasonable debate? You can't do that. You didn't do that for the last 100 posts.

I have outlined them a few times on why Hyd.  should never go to Telangana that got developed as a United Andhra capital but unless one say's it should go to Telangana it will not be reasonable to you.  You are a person with one distorted view going around blaming others for having their own take on this issue.   Have the state united or have consensus before doing anything.  Nothing of that sought happended.  Did it?

Drinking  Water Problems in Nalgonda & Mahaboobnagar are history? Lack of Industries in Telangana region are history? Lack of roads, railway lines and airports in Telangana region are history? Lack of water for crops in Telangana are history?

They are all there now. They have been there for last 50 years. Nothing has been done to address those by the chief ministers. They are the present problems being faced by Telangana.

That is the story in Rayalaseema and Andhra too.   What are the Telangana leaders waiting for.  If they would have spent even 10% of their time they put into resolving the problems or lobby for them hard as they did for a seperate state I am sure things would have happended.  For most past they are lazy in comparision and pay the blame game.  A seperate state is a gimmick to gain access to loot people more.  I do not see any conviction here that asks for a seperate state.  Things can be done one way or the other if there are determined people.  That is an understatement.

As you told yourself, it seems your knowledge on this issue is limited to your recent talking to people from different regions and that one DC paper news story.

No actually my standards are a little higher than that to just go by some DC stories alone.  Sure I believe in talking to people on top of going to media outlets and as such.  It gives what the people that matter want unlike you who are just hung up on some history and bring up the same issues that are in reality there in entire India unfortunately.   Telangana is not the sole victim here.  Having said that I would love to see people from all regions that includes Telangana prosper.  I hate to even term things by regions but then your one point stance on Telangana alone is making me to put things in perspective.

Some final piece of advice, as I don't have much time to waste on you:
1) Stop ridiculing yourself by bringing up fake, non-serious issues of local rowdies doing rowdy mamool vasool.
2) Read (not glance) newspapers and analyze the news stories and understand the gravity of the real, serious problems of Hyderabad, Andhra, Rayalaseema and Telangana.

Save the advise for yourself for one.

Two stop classifying things to your liking or disliking and be dismissive about them.  What is not grave to you may be grave to others.   The people living in fear and worried about their future are the best judges.

Also I fully know what to read and what not to and I think I do understand the gravity of the situation lot better than you and hence I am asking for a unified stance as of now given how the ill fated decision by the Congress low command without proper consensus precipitated this whole thing.   So to you.  Wake up and smell some coffee and that is the best advise I can give you.

[indcric]

So, you reduced yourself to bad-mouthing the most important decision makers in India, simply because you don't have any good reasons? Good for you.

Again go back to my advice. I am ignoring the rest of the stuff... as I already told you, you can't come up with any proper reasons.

[ramshorns]

So, you reduced yourself to bad-mouthing the most important decision makers in India, simply because you don't have any good reasons? Good for you.

Again go back to my advice. I am ignoring the rest of the stuff... as I already told you, you can't come up with any proper reasons.

Didn't you call Indira *hi a crook because she did not give Telangana the statehood during the 70 timeframe or thereabouts.  Because the decision did not go to your liking you can call the decision makers what you can while me when there was no conviction here to declare a seperate state succumbing to a stunt master that was on fast for 10 days with all proper care should not call Pranab/Sonia/Chidambaram anything.   Why so?   These are the real enemies of the country as I see them.   Make idiotic decisions and let people suffer.   What kind of decision makers are these.  I ask.

I guess I cannot come up with any reasons to satisfy you.  That I get it.   Let it be. 

[indcric]

Indira *hi was not a crook because she didn't give Telangana. She didn't give Telangana for her own political benefits. I am not calling her crook for that reason. We had our own crooks like Marri Chenna Reddy  who sold Telangana in bargain for chief minister post (crook, because he deceived innocent students to his own political benefits and in the process was responsible for 350 deaths) to blame for that.

She was a crook, because she is the person who is most responsible for the corrupt and selfish politicians/bureaucrats in this country. She is the single biggest contributor to the pollution in the political scene now. Before she became the prime minister, we had reasonably good political climate. She did whatever she had to suppress all people  (people, media, opposition, her own party members, bureaucrats) who opposed her. She didn't care about anything else as long as it benefitted her.

Most people would agree that Indira *hi was a crook.

But I never heard any body (even from the opposition parties) bad mouthing Pranab or Manmohan. Whenever congress in under any crisis, Pranab is the man who solves it. I have no idea how an idiot can solve those many problems. I have no idea how an impotent can stand up to all the opposition, even going as far as no-confidence motion (very close call for dissolution of his own government) for the nuke deal which he thought is in the best interest of the nation. Yes, he doesn't worry about the domestic political scenario or vote bank politics etc, since he leaves it to his party president. But he goes to any length in foreign policy or economic decisions, which is what he is most worried about.

[RicePlateReddy]

To help me better understand whom to support (Andhra-ites or Telengana-ites) could someone please tell me:

1. Where is Shivlal Yadav's native village - Andhra, Telengana, or Bihar?

2. Where is Chamundeshwarnath's native village - Andhra, Telengana, or Windermere, Florida?

[indcric]

Let me for the last time give a correct picture of the lack of development in Telangana and the need for a separate state agitation.

The late CM of AP, YS Rajasekhar Reddy tried to suppress the telangana issue, by acting as if he is doing some development. You might guess why a CM of AP suddenly started concentrating on telangana? Suddenly so many development proposals came just within 2 years. WHY? Because of Telangana agitation.

Why do we have to do separate state agitation when we want some development in our area? Don't the CMs have a responsibility for each region without the need for people to create separate state movements?

The attempted developments by YSR (they are only attempts though)

1) Karimnagar-Nizamabad railway line (the pressure on railway ministers is not working still, not even the land is procured till now  because of lack of funds)
2) Converting Karimnagar-Medak-Hyderabad road into a 4-lines highway, after more than 500 people died in the accidents in last 5 years (This is still at proposal stage)
3) The new projects that are being built in the Telangana region (Most projects are still waiting for approvals from centre)
4) New university in Nizamabad
5) New JNTU in Karimnagar district

Now to get the fundings for all the above which were already approved, we again need to do some agitation. That is the precise reason why we are fed up with this United Andhra and we need a separate state.

[ramshorns]

Was it not Manmohan and govt. that had no plans after the Nov26th Mumbai terror attacks when the whole country was held hostage for two days.  His speech to the nation was so demoralising.

So an economist does not necessarily make a good leader.

And even here when his party created a image crisis in Andhra with the ill advised spilt up of the state look at the aftermath.  No law and order in the state in which Congress is the ruling party.  What kind of a banana republic these jokers are running.

No control and discipline whatsoever.

Ofcourse it is my mistake to think of Manmohan as a leader.  He is just a token head bowing to Madam Sonea who does not perhaps know the difference from AP to TN.   As I said an economist should be running the banks or setting curbs in trading not ruling or administering a council of ministers.

The Congress is running the country like a "kichidi" alternating between Sonia and Manmohan.

What the hell is this?   How can they be held hostage by a goon who has no mandate in his own region and yield to his pressure.  What is this a joke?

Idiots....Idiots..Idiots...

No national security plan.

No control over the states.

What the hell are they doing.

What are we reducing ourselves as a nation.

We are like that only.

[RicePlateReddy]

indcric, don't you think the more agreeable, as well as realistic way of achieving this is for a Telengana politician to corral a vote-base by championing these causes and then extending his support to whichever party supports his agenda. He/she can then have the support be contingent on reasonable demands being met? A little slower but the more solid and less dangerous approach in the long-run.

[ramshorns]

Let me for the last time give a correct picture of the lack of development in Telangana and the need for a separate state agitation.

The late CM of AP, YS Rajasekhar Reddy tried to suppress the telangana issue, by acting as if he is doing some development. You might guess why a CM of AP suddenly started concentrating on telangana? Suddenly so many development proposals came just within 2 years. WHY? Because of Telangana agitation.

Why do we have to do separate state agitation when we want some development in our area? Don't the CMs have a responsibility for each region without the need for people to create separate state movements?

The attempted developments by YSR (they are only attempts though)

1) Karimnagar-Nizamabad railway line (the pressure on railway ministers is not working still, not even the land is procured till now  because of lack of funds)
2) Converting Karimnagar-Medak-Hyderabad road into a 4-lines highway, after more than 500 people died in the accidents in last 5 years (This is still at proposal stage)
3) The new projects that are being built in the Telangana region (Most projects are still waiting for approvals from centre)
4) New university in Nizamabad
5) New JNTU in Karimnagar district

Now to get the fundings for all the above which were already approved, we again need to do some agitation. That is the precise reason why we are fed up with this United Andhra and we need a separate state.

If all these five tasks are complete I would be the happiest guy.

What has United Andhra got to do with that.

If you carefully look and willing to consider there are such goof ups of taken up projects not complete in Andhra and Rayalaseema as well.

1) Why all this in the lane adjacent to late YSR's house in Begumpet the flyover that runs from the airport to Punjagutta circle and onto to J'Hills was so delayed that it was not even funny.  It was supposed to be YSR's pet project and was in the heart or one of the main hubs in the city.  One night when it rained badly a section of the bridge collapsed and there were casualties because of faulty construction or not putting proper safety measures for a flyover under construction.  It finally got done after huge delays. 

2) And the road killings as we know in Hyderabad and the outskirts is not even a joke anymore.  Daily dose of casualties.   All the delays in the famed ORR master plan.   Way behind schedule and walloped funds.

3) The time taken to replace stolen manholes is a yearly occurence.   The time taken to replace them by the GHMC will cost a few lifes during monsoons.

4) I do not even want to get into the garbage disposal facilities in the city OF 80 Lakhs.  Year after year promises made to improve the system while the people learn to live in stench and filth.  Gets worse by the day.   People getting viral fevers with new virusus floating around.  Not a good situation.

5) I do not even want to even get into the drinking water problem though with proper catchment area plans things could be a lot better.   Krishna water diversion project is just a so-so with not the whole project the way it was planned to be is complete.  So again a lot of walloped funds there.

6) Power cuts.  I am depressed now.

That is just the scatch on the surface.   All the foundations stones laid for various projects are just obsolete with stray paint all over.


Do not get me wrong Hyd. has it pluses but all these road bumps we run into is not even a joke.

Do I think we are frustrated citizens though I do not live there.   Absolutely.   I keep talking to folks on a daily basis.  I feel the pain.

I am sure each and every sect from India can come up with a list such as we do.

Are some regions and areas more neglected than others.   Absolutely.   But that does make a case to bifurcate states.  May be.

There needs to be a central consensus on that with guidelines and rules that have careful planning and considerations.

It cannot be divided by or on the basis of fasting or some history of a demand for a state as Telangana had right through the 60's.

I hear all your concerns but we all do have them in various places we live in or part of.  Let us not get too frustrated and support a breakup because some of these things can esily be addressed if there are good regional leaders.   Now that is a big if.

[flute]

It cannot be divided by or on the basis of fasting or some history of a demand for a state as Telangana had right through the 60's.

I hope you hold Potti Sriramulu and Andhra Pradesh formation with the same amount of contempt, for, Andhra Pradesh was formed originally because of a hunger strike..of course , it was longer and the guy died. Do you suggest, that acting after the guy on hunger strike dies makes it better?

[ramshorns]

It cannot be divided by or on the basis of fasting or some history of a demand for a state as Telangana had right through the 60's.

I hope you hold Potti Sriramulu and Andhra Pradesh formation with the same amount of contempt, for, Andhra Pradesh was formed originally because of a hunger strike..of course , it was longer and the guy died. Do you suggest, that acting after the guy on hunger strike dies makes it better?

Again I am not totally privy to the things then as of now.

But in this case the timing and the way it was done without the due diligence is not the right way as I eluded to a few times.

So to me just because someone got a statehood or a demand conceded earlier through democratic means of demonstration(fasting onto death) does not mean the same method should necessarily yield the same result.  Too many variable parameters I think.

[flute]

It cannot be divided by or on the basis of fasting or some history of a demand for a state as Telangana had right through the 60's.

I hope you hold Potti Sriramulu and Andhra Pradesh formation with the same amount of contempt, for, Andhra Pradesh was formed originally because of a hunger strike..of course , it was longer and the guy died. Do you suggest, that acting after the guy on hunger strike dies makes it better?

Again I am not totally privy to the things then as of now.

But in this case the timing and the way it was done without the due diligence is not the right way as I eluded to a few times.

So to me just because someone got a statehood or a demand conceded earlier through democratic means of demonstration(fasting onto death) does not mean the same method should necessarily yield the same result.  Too many variable parameters I think.

Ignorance of earlier things cannot be an excuse here especially if someone is taking hardened, strong stance and abusing so called telangana leaders and so called decision makers.

If you stand for unified Andhra, it bohoves you to understand the genesis of the so called agitation, don't you think? Understand how the state became unified, understand if there is any truth to the so called long history of struggle for separate state, understand the issues that telangana people are complaining about etc. , before deriding the people involved in agitating for a separate state.

As for all regions having complaints about their particular region, please consider below points

a. all regions could complain about problems of governance and step motherly treatment, but if a particular person is taking a hardened stance, don't you think it is incumbant upon that person to dwell on those details and then arrive at an informed decision regarding the issue? people of all regions might complain, but only people of only one region might have truth on their side and other sides might be raking it up to maintain status quo? is it really impossible for this to be the scenario? after all, only one region consistently is asking  for a separate state. Think about it, around 70% of krishna and godavari lie in telangana but telangana gets only 15% water. This is a hard, undeniable fact. In this scenario, is it really that difficult for vested interests to take over and demand status quo?
Mind you, above is not to support that one particular region's demand for statehood, but rather to show how unfair it is to just say "all regions are complaining, all regions have bad governance issues". To say, "all regions have bad governance" is to equate things in Bihar to say Punjab. Of course bihar and punjab have governance issues, but don't you think the real picture comes out only when we look a lil deeper and get into the details, no?

Again, the crux of my point a above is to emphasize that lip service or ignoring of telanagana protest and calling them rants or whining will only complicate things and push things into such a state from where there is no turning away. This taking hard stance on things, this painting oneself into one corner is what should be avoided by everyone, including people and leaders. I feel that MMS, Sonia & others erred exactly in this aspect. They pushed themselves into a corner from where they cannot take any nuanced stance without going back on their word.

b. If people of all regions are complaining of bad governance and step motherly treatment, don't you think that you, especially you since you claim to know more about Hyd than IG and who claim to keep in touch everyday, should do your due diligence to understand the issues involved completely before taking a stance? if rayalaseema is complaining, what are those issues, list them out and get information and arrive at a opinion. This issue is a very important one which might effect each one of us personally, how can we brush it aside? So far, I see only telangana issues being listed out here or anywhere else, why so?


In fact, the crux of the problem in AP right now, is not state bifurcation but people getting emotional without a clear understanding of the issues involved, without knowing the full details of the claims on both sides.

As responsbile citizens, it is important to find out all the details of an issue before taking a hard stance. I feel that in AP, people on both sides are predominantly getting swayed by emotions and are jumping to conclusions and are fighting for things without knowing even rudimentary details of the issues involved. This coupled with hypocrisy ( real issues are Hyderabad and water...but nobody is discussing or debating them, rather they are hiding behind telangana and united andhra ) is completely muddying the waters and things are becoming very very complicated every day.

As I said in my earlier post, personally, based on whatever information I could educate myself with, below is what I agree with

1. Telangana is being treated unfairly with regard to water.

2. People on both sides are showing significant amounts of hypocrasy without cutting to the crux of the problem. In this scenario, I believe the fight is between status quo vested interests ( hyd land owners, investors, water consumers in rest of the state,some genuine emotional good intentioned uninformed fools) Vs shake up vested interests (potential benefactors of more water in telangana, power brokers who might get significant political power after separation, some genuine emotional good intentioned uninformed fools).


3. In the short term, AP & hyd will suffer and suffer more as long as this thing drags.

4. I have no stand to take at this point regarding separate state.

(after thought)
5. if AP is indeed bifurcated, personally, I want Hyd to go with Telangana , for purely selfish reasons( I have huge investment interests in hyd), not because justice is with telangana. My reasons are, any other option might make things too complicated for Hyd's continued rise and development. Sharing will lead to fights, juristrictions related issues and might sink Hyd. Delhi like scenario will shunt growth in my view because both states will not enthusiastically invest in hyd and also Hyd alone as a state like delhi will lead to minority card becoming too prominent in political calculations and might lead to backward looking attitude ( UP, bihar like) rather than current development oreinted approach. Making Hyd UT will again lead to people sitting in distant delhi making decisions without any direct mandate.

[ramshorns]

I am going to Vegas for a family vacation starting tomorrow evening and returning the day after Christmas. 

Long travel and flight from NYC.  I am excited about it and to have fun with my 2 boys and wife.

I hope for the best.   State of AP cannot be disrupted and kids education cannot be affected because of this recent happenings.

All points from all sides well taken.

Happy Holidays!!!!!!

[indcric]

The guys who are not looking from selfish reasons, who are really worried about terrorism in India and who want a separate state for Hyderabad have no clue about the political reality in Hyderabad.

As we have seen, most terrorist acts conducted in India have some Hyderabad connection. The guys are either recruited or trained in Hyderabad.

I am not sure if such a diverse city as Hyderabad can be administratively managed as a UT. It is too big, too diverse and it will only expand further in the coming years. Hyderabad is too underdeveloped compared to the 4 Metro cities. So, UT is obviously not a good option.

If Hyderabad is made a separate state, MIM will come into power. Going by the GHMC formula, MIM will ask the CM post for 2 years and powerful ministries. That makes it highly powerful and no police officer will dare to enter the old city looking for "the guys". There is already huge pressure on the police officers. The MIM MP from Hyderabad openly opposed the appointment of the sincere police officer DGP Mohanty. The whole reason for that is DGP Mohanty when he was in charge of Hyderbad region went after "the guys".

Dealing with terrorism which has state's implicit support is highly impossible as being found out by George Bush, Obama, Karzai, Manmohan and Vajpayee.

1) So, "the guys" would be safe while planning and training for further destruction in India.
2) More communal riots in Hyderabad state.
3) Reservations for Muslims in the Hyderabad state, which opens up similar demands around the country and in Central positions. That creates more problems.
4) ISI will exploit the vulnerability of Hyderabad state and invest heavily in this state.
5) Even Al Qaeda might start recruitment and training with wide repercussions all over the world.

Compare the above with the rowdy mamool vasool, which is the biggest reason for not forming the telangana state.

I hope the last para doesn't dilute the seriousness of the issue at hand.

For the benefit of guys who are not from Hyderabad, MIM is Majlis-Ittehadul-Muslimeen, a political party for the muslims and by the muslims. The Hyderabad MP is from MIM. In the recent Greater Hyderabad Municipal Corporation elections, MIM won 43 seats. Congress + MIM now has power sharing agreement in GHMC. The agreement is that for 3 years Congress will hold the Mayor post and for 2 years, MIM will hold the Mayor post.

Just before the AP elections this year, Election Commission removed the then DGP of AP and installed DGP Mohanty as the DGP of AP for conducting elections fairly. MIM opposed this. But Election Commission went ahead with Mohanty. Later when congress came into power, they removed Mohanty and put the old DGP back into position. The reason: Mohanty is a sincere police officer who can handle any amount of political pressure.