Topic: FIR to be filed against Indian team (Read 1628 times)

Jai · « **on:** April 13, 2006, 06:20:31 PM »

Jharkhand police inspector Bidhubhushan Dwivedi has decided to file a FIR against Rudra Pratap Singh and the entire Indian team. Dwivedi was posted on his duty near the Indian practise net when a throw from RP Singh hit him on his face. He started to bleed profously and lost 4 of his teeth on the spot and was rushed to the hospital. He later decided to file the FIR against the Indian team citing negligence. He also wants the Board to pay for his treatment. The Indian team called it an accident.

No link, translated from a regional daily.

toney · « **Reply #1 on:** April 13, 2006, 06:29:47 PM »

The board should definitely pay for it, unless the officer ran into the path of the throw and made sure his mouth was rearranged.
But to file an FIR for this?!?!

flute202020 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 13, 2006, 06:30:08 PM »

Some sensation mongering by this guy.
Sure. BCCI could file FIRs against all police Depts across the country. File a case against Guhati police to start with and follow it up with FIR against Culcutta police and mumbai police too. The charges are

1. Inability and inefficiency in controllling or effectively dealing with constant hurling of missiles, bottles and other objects on to the ground, hurting the players and ground staff.

2. Inability and inefficiency in controllling the constant verbal abuse directed against the players, especially the ones on the boundary, because police were neglecting their duty and watching the game.

Oh, the list is endless. Really fair reasons too.

dextrous · « **Reply #3 on:** April 13, 2006, 06:34:17 PM »

C'mon flute. geez, the BCCi can spare a few 1000 rupees for his treatment.

Jai · « **Reply #4 on:** April 13, 2006, 06:39:24 PM »

Interesting spelling there for Guwahati and Calcutta (now Kolkata) from Flaut....oops, Flute.

flute202020 · « **Reply #5 on:** April 13, 2006, 06:40:54 PM »

Quote from: Jai on April 13, 2006, 06:39:24 PM

Interesting spelling there for Guwahati and Calcutta (now Kolkata) from Flaut....oops, Flute.

noted..thanks

Jai · « **Reply #6 on:** April 13, 2006, 06:44:23 PM »

Toney, I don't think the officer ran into the path of the ball or inside the net because then probably it would have been mentioned in the reports. Filing FIR is a bit too much I agree because it's after all an accident and RPS is no Akhtar and Dwivedi is no Dhoni, but probably the inspector thought about it only after he got to know that he won't get any compensations. That, as we agree, he should receive. Considering the salary of such inspectors and the money he needs to spend for his treatment, BCCI or the Jharkhand cricket association should bear the expenses.

flute202020 · « **Reply #7 on:** April 13, 2006, 06:45:24 PM »

Quote from: dextrous on April 13, 2006, 06:34:17 PM

C'mon flute. geez, the BCCi can spare a few 1000 rupees for his treatment.

compensation can be spared, also BCCI or police dept. can make sure all the personnel are covered in involved in such instances, but to file a FIR against the team? I think it is pushing it a bit and bordering on trying to gain some sensational value from it. I think, this guy is not concerned about money, its more about media coverage. Also, the starting point should be the police dept. , he should ask the police dept. for compensation and then police dept. can plan for any such future eventualities.

It seems like in US, a guy or company is filthy rich, everyone wants a piece of the cake, either by suing or looting. As of now, we are not sure what is the arrangement between BCCI & police dept., may be BCCI pays for the security arrangements which was the talk sometime back, if they do, they need not pay.

toney · « **Reply #8 on:** April 13, 2006, 06:45:57 PM »

Quote from: Jai on April 13, 2006, 06:39:24 PM

Interesting spelling there for Guwahati and Calcutta (now Kolkata) from Flaut....oops, Flute.

Nit picking ?

Out of curiosity: How is Guwahati pronounced? Is it Gauhaati or GuWahati?

And is Calcutta Caalcutta (where the caa is as in "can") or Culcutta? IMO, both these sound way better than Kolkatta anyhow. Of course, it is just a case of being used to things.

flute202020 · « **Reply #9 on:** April 13, 2006, 06:47:50 PM »

Quote from: toney on April 13, 2006, 06:45:57 PM

Quote from: Jai on April 13, 2006, 06:39:24 PM
Interesting spelling there for Guwahati and Calcutta (now Kolkata) from Flaut....oops, Flute.
Nit picking ?

Out of curiosity: How is Guwahati pronounced? Is it Gauhaati or GuWahati?

And is Calcutta Caalcutta (where the caa is as in "can") or Culcutta? IMO, both these sound way better than Kolkatta anyhow. Of course, it is just a case of being used to things.

toney, I c you are trying to reopen our old discussion.

toney · « **Reply #10 on:** April 13, 2006, 06:49:45 PM »

no, this time I am just curious. I really dont know the correct pronounciation for these two places. Seriously.
BTW, didnt we win that debate comprehensively?

Jai · « **Reply #11 on:** April 13, 2006, 06:54:37 PM »

Quote from: toney on April 13, 2006, 06:45:57 PM

Quote from: Jai on April 13, 2006, 06:39:24 PM
Interesting spelling there for Guwahati and Calcutta (now Kolkata) from Flaut....oops, Flute.
Nit picking ?

Out of curiosity: How is Guwahati pronounced? Is it Gauhaati or GuWahati?

And is Calcutta Caalcutta (where the caa is as in "can") or Culcutta? IMO, both these sound way better than Kolkatta anyhow. Of course, it is just a case of being used to things.

Earlier it was spelt as Gauhati (to be pronounced as Gou Haati), now the spelling has been changed to 'Guwahati' (like Guwaa Haati). As far as 'Calcutta', it's 'Cal' like 'can', but 'cutta' is usually pronounced as 'cata' like 'cat' and an 'a'. I don't think the current name has two t in it. The Bengalis usually pronounce a lot of names with a B and an O, like say Bijoy instead of 'Vijay'. Any name that starts with a V usually starts in Bengali with a B. Names like 'Subrata' will be pronounced as 'Subroto'. That's why the 'o' in 'Kolkata'. There are lot of names common in Punjabi and Bengali that ends with a 'jit' like Surjit. In Punjabi or Hindi, it will be pronounced as 'Surr jit' while in Bengali, it will be 'Suro jit'.

toney · « **Reply #12 on:** April 13, 2006, 06:57:41 PM »

Jai, thanks. I knew about the "o" and "a". But the Calcutta expl was good.

dextrous · « **Reply #13 on:** April 13, 2006, 06:58:20 PM »

Toney,
Defending flute? That's extremely low!

senthilpeter · « **Reply #14 on:** April 13, 2006, 06:59:32 PM »

looks like he wants some cash/attention... do we even know if he was supposed to be standing around so close to the nets? and what kind of bone-headed design is it in which u have a police chap standing so close to the playing nets, ostensibly to protect them. Wouldn't you think they shud strive to keep out trouble makers from a bit father way itself?

I'm usually all for opening the BCCI's purse strings one way or another, but for the cops (who harass the hell out of you when you get into the stadium on paid-for tickets) I've got no sympathy.

toney · « **Reply #15 on:** April 13, 2006, 07:00:04 PM »

Quote from: dextrous on April 13, 2006, 06:58:20 PM

Toney,
Defending flute? That's extremely low!

dex, thats alright. I am very low otherwise too. You see, I am not very pretentious

toney · « **Reply #16 on:** April 13, 2006, 07:02:30 PM »

Quote from: senthilpeter on April 13, 2006, 06:59:32 PM

I'm usually all for opening the BCCI's purse strings one way or another, but for the cops (who harass the hell out of you when you get into the stadium on paid-for tickets) I've got no sympathy.

I share you feelings on that. Some cops are just idiots when it comes to taking a plastic bottle of water onto the upper terraces in Kochi. Even if you have a very good arm, there is little chance of landing a throw on a player on the field. And one would have to be an idiot to throw away a litre of water in 35+ degree temperatures.

pieterSAN · « **Reply #17 on:** April 13, 2006, 07:05:30 PM »

Report by Harkore Soravian for The Gangulian Chornicles

Greg Chappell, the devil incarnate, continues to make a mockery of us Indians while taking advantage of our hospitality . Very recently he deliberately organized a net session close to the police inspector who can no longer show his face at the police station after failing to pick up a throw from RP Singh. The inspector has vowed to file a complaint and to make sure that action is taken against Chappell the devil.

"There is no doubt the devil is behind this. We are sick of him trying to make a mockery of everything in India. Does he think that Jharkhand Polic Inspectors cannot catch the ball. They should throw slowly only, no?" said Gendas Ala from Standard 12 Student who was also watching nearby.

"Our Inspectors are the best - the never miss anything. Best security in the world. They have eyes in the back of their head. How dare this devil insult us?" said the paan waala stationed outside the ground.

But the story was summed up best by a boy, only ten years of age, who was lovingly encouraged by his father when asked for a comment. "Chappall is in idiot. If Ganguly was in the team he would have run 20 yards and made a diving catch like a superman just inches from the inspector's face and then thrown down the stumps as well."

flute202020 · « **Reply #18 on:** April 13, 2006, 07:08:14 PM »

Quote from: jiet on April 13, 2006, 07:05:30 PM

Report by Harkore Soravian for The Gangulian Chornicles

Greg Chappell, the devil incarnate, continues to make a mockery of us Indians while taking advantage of our hospitality . Very recently he deliberately organized a net session close to the police inspector who can no longer show his face at the police station after failing to pick up a throw from RP Singh. The inspector has vowed to file a complaint and to make sure that action is taken against Chappell the devil.

"There is no doubt the devil is behind this. We are sick of him trying to make a mockery of everything in India. Does he think that Jharkhand Polic Inspectors cannot catch the ball. They should throw slowly only, no?" said Gendas Ala from Standard 12 Student who was also watching nearby.

"Our Inspectors are the best - the never miss anything. Best security in the world. They have eyes in the back of their head. How dare this devil insult us?" said the paan waala station outside the ground.

But the story was summed up best by a boy, only ten years of age, who was lovingly encouraged by his father when asked for a comment. "Chappall is in idiot. If Ganguly was in the team who would have run 20 yards and made a diving catch like a superman just inches from the inspector's face and then thrown down the stumps as well."

good one!!

toney · « **Reply #19 on:** April 13, 2006, 07:08:31 PM »

bouncer · « **Reply #20 on:** April 13, 2006, 07:19:33 PM »

A poor policeman hit by some millionaire ball-players when doing his duty.... Why not pay him some good money? I am sure the FIR is for pressuring BCCI into shelling out some cash...

dhruvdeepak · « **Reply #21 on:** April 13, 2006, 07:27:48 PM »

nobody is denying that he deserves to be compensated and the treatment be paid for. what we are debating is the point of filing an FIR against everyone and their kin.
There is only 1 reason I can think of for doing this, and that is because the BCCI or Jharkand Cricket Association refused to compensate him. Can understand the poor bloke's situation then, I'm sure he doesnt rake in the big bucks to pay for the medical bills.

jiet that was funny

toney · « **Reply #22 on:** April 13, 2006, 07:29:41 PM »

Quote from: bouncer on April 13, 2006, 07:19:33 PM

A poor policeman hit by some millionaire ball-players when doing his duty.... Why not pay him some good money? I am sure the FIR is for pressuring BCCI into shelling out some cash...

Thank God, RPS didnt do this brutal act a year or so ago. Otherwise, he would have been just a ball-player which means the cop would have missed out on the compensation.

flute202020 · « **Reply #23 on:** April 13, 2006, 07:33:46 PM »

Quote from: bouncer on April 13, 2006, 07:19:33 PM

A poor policeman hit by some millionaire ball-players when doing his duty.... Why not pay him some good money? I am sure the FIR is for pressuring BCCI into shelling out some cash...

if "poor" & "rich" words are to be used, why not simply pay, without talking about getting hit. What is the right thing to do? Getting a injured police his fair compensation or getting a injured police some good compensation since he was lucky enough to be hit by a millionair team?

If the millionaire Vs poor logic can be used, lets ask them to simply pay to everyone who is poor , why talk about injury etc.?

This is like the typical on street mob behaviour in India. Basically, if a accident happens on the road, a group of no good, unemployed people with lot of time on their hands will gather and try to dispense justice. The formula is very simply, whichever is the bigger vehicle is wrong, period, no questions asked. They simply grab whatever money you have and give it to the smaller vehicle guy. Thats it. It happened to me, this tamasha of leftist justice dispensed on indian streets. Simply pathetic. I think the whole thing is pent up anger, the impotency to do anything with the system, the lack of guts to deal with a unfair system. so, when an opportunity presents itself, everyone wants to gets involved and dispense justice basically by punishing whoever is rich. Same goes when a poor kid or guy is caught stealing. Simply pounce on him to beat the hell out of him. Again I guess it is a manifestation of impotency elsewhere.

IMO, there is something called system and any such incidents should be used to strengthen the system, by building safe gaurds for personnel involved in such activities as sports or providing logictic support to sports. Knee jerk reactions of grab it from rich players to give it to poor cop will not cut it.

Cover Point · « **Reply #24 on:** April 13, 2006, 07:46:12 PM »

Jiet first up your report was Hee hee Hi la rious!!! I would say keep the sarcasm coming!!!

Flute, to your point there was a good dialog in Munna Bhai MBBS movie. A pickpocket is caaught stealing Sunil Dutt's wallet and is getting beat up by the mob. Dutt has some good dialogs along the line of what you have mentioned here

flute202020 · « **Reply #25 on:** April 13, 2006, 07:50:08 PM »

Quote from: dextrous on April 13, 2006, 06:58:20 PM

Toney,
Defending flute? That's extremely low!

Dex, Care to explain why defending me is so low?

toney · « **Reply #26 on:** April 13, 2006, 07:57:52 PM »

Quote from: flute202020 on April 13, 2006, 07:33:46 PM

Quote from: bouncer on April 13, 2006, 07:19:33 PM
A poor policeman hit by some millionaire ball-players when doing his duty.... Why not pay him some good money? I am sure the FIR is for pressuring BCCI into shelling out some cash...
if "poor" & "rich" words are to be used, why not simply pay, without talking about getting hit. What is the right thing to do? Getting a injured police his fair compensation or getting a injured police some good compensation since he was lucky enough to be hit by a millionair team?

If the millionaire Vs poor logic can be used, lets ask them to simply pay to everyone who is poor , why talk about injury etc.?

This is like the typical on street mob behaviour in India. Basically, if a accident happens on the road, a group of no good, unemployed people with lot of time on their hands will gather and try to dispense justice. The formula is very simply, whichever is the bigger vehicle is wrong, period, no questions asked. They simply grab whatever money you have and give it to the smaller vehicle guy. Thats it. It happened to me, this tamasha of leftist justice dispensed on indian streets. Simply pathetic. I think the whole thing is pent up anger, the impotency to do anything with the system, the lack of guts to deal with a unfair system. so, when an opportunity presents itself, everyone wants to gets involved and dispense justice basically by punishing whoever is rich. Same goes when a poor kid or guy is caught stealing. Simply pounce on him to beat the hell out of him. Again I guess it is a manifestation of impotency elsewhere.

IMO, there is something called system and any such incidents should be used to strengthen the system, by building safe gaurds for personnel involved in such activities as sports or providing logictic support to sports. Knee jerk reactions of grab it from rich players to give it to poor cop will not cut it.

Recently, a youngster (23-24) on a motor bike had a head on collision with my uncle's car which was abiding by all the rules. The guy was going in the wrong lane and just was impatient to reach his destination. My uncle (58 years, never smokes or drinks, doesnt break the law, leads a modest retired life) had to pay for the broken bones of the kid. Our sympathies to the family of the injured. But where is the justice here?
Of course, he heard comments from a few people who said exactly the same things you said ("Oh, who does this fellow think he is? Just because he has a car, he can go ahead and kill anyone? Let him pay up!!"). The reason is simple. Some people, who are (unfortunately) not as well off as some others are frustrated, then brainwashed to a point where they think that gaining wealth, even through legal means is a sin. Everyone should have a right to the money you earned through hard work put in by burning midnight oil while those guys slept soundly. Justice of a unique kind!!!

bouncer · « **Reply #27 on:** April 13, 2006, 08:14:29 PM »

Quote from: flute202020 on April 13, 2006, 07:33:46 PM

It happened to me, this tamasha of leftist justice dispensed on indian streets. .

Why is it leftist justice?

Coming back to the issue, one thing we can safely assume. That the policeman was there performing his duty. In the process he got injured. It is an OSHA (what is the equivalent in India) case. JCA/BCCI along with his employer (State Gov.) should work together to compensate him.....

bouncer · « **Reply #28 on:** April 13, 2006, 08:17:53 PM »

Quote from: toney on April 13, 2006, 07:57:52 PM

Quote from: flute202020 on April 13, 2006, 07:33:46 PM
Quote from: bouncer on April 13, 2006, 07:19:33 PM
A poor policeman hit by some millionaire ball-players when doing his duty.... Why not pay him some good money? I am sure the FIR is for pressuring BCCI into shelling out some cash...
if "poor" & "rich" words are to be used, why not simply pay, without talking about getting hit. What is the right thing to do? Getting a injured police his fair compensation or getting a injured police some good compensation since he was lucky enough to be hit by a millionair team?

If the millionaire Vs poor logic can be used, lets ask them to simply pay to everyone who is poor , why talk about injury etc.?

This is like the typical on street mob behaviour in India. Basically, if a accident happens on the road, a group of no good, unemployed people with lot of time on their hands will gather and try to dispense justice. The formula is very simply, whichever is the bigger vehicle is wrong, period, no questions asked. They simply grab whatever money you have and give it to the smaller vehicle guy. Thats it. It happened to me, this tamasha of leftist justice dispensed on indian streets. Simply pathetic. I think the whole thing is pent up anger, the impotency to do anything with the system, the lack of guts to deal with a unfair system. so, when an opportunity presents itself, everyone wants to gets involved and dispense justice basically by punishing whoever is rich. Same goes when a poor kid or guy is caught stealing. Simply pounce on him to beat the hell out of him. Again I guess it is a manifestation of impotency elsewhere.

IMO, there is something called system and any such incidents should be used to strengthen the system, by building safe gaurds for personnel involved in such activities as sports or providing logictic support to sports. Knee jerk reactions of grab it from rich players to give it to poor cop will not cut it.

Recently, a youngster (23-24) on a motor bike had a head on collision with my uncle's car which was abiding by all the rules. The guy was going in the wrong lane and just was impatient to reach his destination. My uncle (58 years, never smokes or drinks, doesnt break the law, leads a modest retired life) had to pay for the broken bones of the kid. Our sympathies to the family of the injured. But where is the justice here?
Of course, he heard comments from a few people who said exactly the same things you said ("Oh, who does this fellow think he is? Just because he has a car, he can go ahead and kill anyone? Let him pay up!!"). The reason is simple. Some people, who are (unfortunately) not as well off as some others are frustrated, then brainwashed to a point where they think that gaining wealth, even through legal means is a sin. Everyone should have a right to the money you earned through hard work put in by burning midnight oil while those guys slept soundly. Justice of a unique kind!!!

Too bad I agree. But it does not look like the case here.

bouncer · « **Reply #29 on:** April 13, 2006, 08:19:43 PM »

Quote from: toney on April 13, 2006, 07:29:41 PM

Quote from: bouncer on April 13, 2006, 07:19:33 PM
A poor policeman hit by some millionaire ball-players when doing his duty.... Why not pay him some good money? I am sure the FIR is for pressuring BCCI into shelling out some cash...
Thank God, RPS didnt do this brutal act a year or so ago. Otherwise, he would have been just a ball-player which means the cop would have missed out on the compensation.

Instead, he would have been beaten up black and blue by the cop and his buddies...

flute202020 · « **Reply #30 on:** April 13, 2006, 08:19:48 PM »

Quote from: bouncer on April 13, 2006, 08:14:29 PM

Quote from: flute202020 on April 13, 2006, 07:33:46 PM
It happened to me, this tamasha of leftist justice dispensed on indian streets. .

Why is it leftist justice?

Coming back to the issue, one thing we can safely assume. That the policeman was there performing his duty. In the process he got injured. It is an OSHA (what is the equivalent in India) case. JCA/BCCI along with his employer (State Gov.) should work together to compensate him.....

I called it leftist justice because the idea seems to be Rich Vs Poor, and redistribution of money to over compensate a poor person.

Coming to compensation, nope there are no two opinions about it. If you read the thread again, nobody denied that compensation needs to given to this guy. I issue was about bringing in BCCI or players supposed rich status to compensate good , considering this is a poor cop type of logic.

toney · « **Reply #31 on:** April 13, 2006, 08:20:06 PM »

Quote from: bouncer on April 13, 2006, 08:17:53 PM

Quote from: toney on April 13, 2006, 07:57:52 PM
...Justice of a unique kind!!!

Too bad I agree. But it does not look like the case here.

It doesnt but it is exactly the logic you used (rich guy should always pay up). No one said the case is similar to the one the policeman had.

bouncer · « **Reply #32 on:** April 13, 2006, 08:29:57 PM »

Quote from: flute202020 on April 13, 2006, 08:19:48 PM

I called it leftist justice because the idea seems to be Rich Vs Poor, and redistribution of money to over compensate a poor person.

Coming to compensation, nope there are no two opinions about it. If you read the thread again, nobody denied that compensation needs to given to this guy. I issue was about bringing in BCCI or players supposed rich status to compensate good , considering this is a poor cop type of logic.

Well, in a civil suit, that is what the judges and jury will see. How deep your pocket is.... At least that is the case here in US. There is nothing written in the legal code how much you should be compensated by if you are hit by a cricket ball...

I will call it vigilante justice, not leftist justice. You are running an extra-judicial trial, you are calling someone guilty and dispensing justice. That is breaking the law..pure and simple... By terming it "leftist" you are just showing your bias...
People do it all the time in India. And not always rich v. poor. Like beating up a pickpocket, taking down banners written in english, attacking bars and establishments for promoting western values.. All these are vigilante justice and illegal.

flute202020 · « **Reply #33 on:** April 13, 2006, 08:44:20 PM »

Quote from: bouncer on April 13, 2006, 08:29:57 PM

Quote from: flute202020 on April 13, 2006, 08:19:48 PM
I called it leftist justice because the idea seems to be Rich Vs Poor, and redistribution of money to over compensate a poor person.

Coming to compensation, nope there are no two opinions about it. If you read the thread again, nobody denied that compensation needs to given to this guy. I issue was about bringing in BCCI or players supposed rich status to compensate good , considering this is a poor cop type of logic.

Well, in a civil suit, that is what the judges and jury will see. How deep your pocket is.... At least that is the case here in US. There is nothing written in the legal code how much you should be compensated by if you are hit by a cricket ball...

I will call it vigilante justice, not leftist justice. You are running an extra-judicial trial, you are calling someone guilty and dispensing justice. That is breaking the law..pure and simple... By terming it "leftist" you are just showing your bias...
People do it all the time in India. And not always rich v. poor. Like beating up a pickpocket, taking down banners written in english, attacking bars and establishments for promoting western values.. All these are vigilante justice and illegal.

oh you will called vigilante justice, I will call it leftist justice, also by terming it vigilante justice, you are just showing your bias for leftist thinking

but seriously, don't think I am trying to put down any one ideaology, I subscribe to no -ism and have no biases. I called it leftist because, if you notice, our national thinking had somewhat socialist leftist leanings up until 80s. Remember the Raj Kapoor movies, how he contantly talks about heartless rich? I watched a lot of movies made during those years and a lot of them seem to talk along those lines. For a long time, India was caught in this 'socialist' mindset, and this thinking that getting rich is not the 'right' thing. Everyone wants to get rich, but saying 'I want to make money' is not the 'IN' thing. This road side justice also seem to have its seeds in that type of thinking.

dextrous · « **Reply #34 on:** April 13, 2006, 08:51:21 PM »

It's just absolutely sickening that some of you, sitting in your million dollar offices, are so detatched from the ground realities of the life of a poor Indian policeman. And now bringing Chappell into the mix and making a mockery of the incident?

Do you have any god damn idea how poor a state Jharkhand is and how much the state government pays these policemen? Do you think he's suing the team to get rich? Is he not aware that with people like you mocking him and a rotten court system he will not get a penny?

But, enjoy your air-conditioning and laugh at poor folks. Don't expect a whole lot more from some of you.

By the way, if what I'm suggesting is "socialism" then what you're suggesting is fascism, letting the poor and the weak die off to increase efficiency.

Cover Point · « **Reply #35 on:** April 13, 2006, 09:05:01 PM »

Quote from: dextrous on April 13, 2006, 08:51:21 PM

It's just absolutely sickening that some of you, sitting in your million dollar offices, are so detatched from the ground realities of the life of a poor Indian policeman. And now bringing Chappell into the mix and making a mockery of the incident?

Do you have any god damn idea how poor a state Jharkhand is and how much the state government pays these policemen? Do you think he's suing the team to get rich? Is he not aware that with people like you mocking him and a rotten court system he will not get a penny?

But, enjoy your air-conditioning and laugh at poor folks. Don't expect a whole lot more from some of you.

By the way, if what I'm suggesting is "socialism" then what you're suggesting is fascism, letting the poor and the weak die off to increase efficiency.

First up Dex has lots of his facts wrong

1) at least I am not sitting in a million dollar office room. I am sitting in my home office today and my home cost me less than HALF a million forget the full million!

2) Its April and the weather outside is 70 degrees, cost of electricity is high so why would i turn on the air conditioning!

3) On the Policeman. Yet to see a single policeman in India who lives off of just the salary given to them by the state. I am sure there is always a first time for something.

4) Bihar/Jharkhand police is probably the most corrupt in the entire world. A friend of mine runs a trucking company and was telling stories about a Female MP from the state who would demand "hafta" by stopping trucks on the side of the road flanked by policemen ofcourse!!!

5) Why is that all the Ganguly supporters jump to support any leftist thinking?

6) Rasogullahs taste good!*

--CP

*This has as much to do with this thread as anything written by the so called "leftists"

flute202020 · « **Reply #36 on:** April 13, 2006, 09:11:44 PM »

Quote from: dextrous on April 13, 2006, 08:51:21 PM

It's just absolutely sickening that some of you, sitting in your million dollar offices, are so detatched from the ground realities of the life of a poor Indian policeman. And now bringing Chappell into the mix and making a mockery of the incident?

Do you have any god damn idea how poor a state Jharkhand is and how much the state government pays these policemen? Do you think he's suing the team to get rich? Is he not aware that with people like you mocking him and a rotten court system he will not get a penny?

But, enjoy your air-conditioning and laugh at poor folks. Don't expect a whole lot more from some of you.

By the way, if what I'm suggesting is "socialism" then what you're suggesting is fascism, letting the poor and the weak die off to increase efficiency.

dex, before I respond, you din't answer my earlier question, why do you think defending me is the extreme low? hoping for a sane, mature answer from an Admin who most probably should be interested in running this forum for a long time and in ensuring good discussion on this forum.

Sahir · « **Reply #37 on:** April 13, 2006, 09:44:08 PM »

For those interested in a legal analysis of the situation:
Legally, it is highly unlikely the police officer can recover any money in this case. The reason is the assumption of risk doctrine, which is particularly applicable to sporting fields. Simply put, people are said to be assuming the risk when taking part in or being around an athletic event, what is essentially an inherently dangerous activity. Just as a person in the crowd during a baseball game cannot recover for a foul ball striking him/her in the face (in baseball, there are often fans sitting in what you would call the backward point area; so, very little reaction time), similarly this policeman cannot recover. He assumed the risk by standing at that post. HOWEVER, just because you have to legal obligation does not mean you have no moral obligation. RP Singh and the BCCI should do the right thing here and cover the man's documented medical expenses. At the same time, let us wait for more facts to unfold. Currently, we have gotten a rather one-sided picture. I know for a fact, from experience in many cases, victims often try to milk the situation for than what it's worth and ask for a ridiculous amount of money when the offending party is considered affluent. For the sake of the policeman and his family, I hope he gets the amount of money he deserves, for documented medical expenses as well as some for pain and suffering (possibly also a few days of missed work, if that was the case).

Cover Point · « **Reply #38 on:** April 13, 2006, 09:55:50 PM »

If he was on duty here I am sure the police have a medical plan that would cover this (also any time missed from work) since he was injured on duty. Thats a standard insurance coverage for any govt employee and I am sure the police have something better (since chances of injury in police duty is higher than for a govt clerk)

I have a very hard time being sympathetic to the policemen in India. Indian police is a highly corrupt and high handed force. Their methods of crowd control is hitting people without looking (u all saw the picture of the 6 year old girl). They are always quick to physically abuse people. And their corruption is legendary. If a policeman comes to your house for no matter what reason (police verification for a green card for an example) he will go back with atleast a 100 Rs (back in the 80's ... i dont know what the going rate is) no matter what happens! If you dont pay you can be assured that your paperwork woudl be lost. Forget it if the police has to stop by due to a fender bender or something. Both parties pay the police in that case!

As I said hard to sympathise with "poor" policement

Sahir · « **Reply #39 on:** April 13, 2006, 09:59:59 PM »

Quote from: Cover Point on April 13, 2006, 09:55:50 PM

If he was on duty here I am sure the police have a medical plan that would cover this (also any time missed from work) since he was injured on duty. Thats a standard insurance coverage for any govt employee and I am sure the police have something better (since chances of injury in police duty is higher than for a govt clerk)

That is absolutely correct. The police department is liable to cover all his expenses incurred through a work-related injury (basically getting injured while on duty, as long as it was within the "scope of employment").

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