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[ganavk]

Saying 'SRT/RD are better playing in hostile condition' is not as delutional as saying 'RD/SRT took money to lose in 2007'. Check the mirror.
 

Do not filp flop now

.  You were taken to task for saying 'SRT/RD are the only ones capable of playing in hostile conditions' by being delusional to the nth degree.

I do not remember saying RD/SRT took money to lose 2007.   Even if I did it would be an easy let off for the players that were inept and not upto the task and true to their form and history came back after the qulifying rounds beaten of all teams by BD after so many resources were provided to them for the all important event.  Worse the senior most member was the biggest baby of all sulking at the behest of being asked to play in the middle order as if India never lost the big games when this guy opened.

So I look fine it is you who is in need for a mirror check.

yeah..look at your posts. When CP talked about Dhakkans flopping in CL, you need to bring Delhi losing in semi finals. that shows your penchant for pulling down someone else to show DC and VVS is positive sense.

First off learn to spell proper nouns.   It is not that difficult to call your team  'Bongulooru' at whose expense we won the IPL2 final by laying the wood across.   No CP did not talk about DC flopping without bringing in some wild animals into the picture to describe them and I did respond accordingly after letting it go for while which is exactly what I am telling you will happen.   And what is so wrong in bringing in the SF which is a fact.  And get away from this business of hiding behind other members by bringing them in.  Try to be your own man.  So do not worry about my penchant.   Worry about yourself first.

flip flop..ROFL..you are the one hiding behind 'not remembering'. At least I can show that there are statistics to backup my statements such as SRT>RD>> VVS.  May be before responding with some inane stuff  you can try to remember what all you posted earlier instead of hiding behind 'not remembering'..yeah..good excuse.!
you can call Bongulooru or whatever animal ...it is not my city and i m not that parochial like you.
Another thing. This is a democratic forum and I can definitely write my opinions and there is no rule saying other conversation should not be referred.

[ramshorns]

Saying 'SRT/RD are better playing in hostile condition' is not as delutional as saying 'RD/SRT took money to lose in 2007'. Check the mirror.
 

Do not filp flop now

.  You were taken to task for saying 'SRT/RD are the only ones capable of playing in hostile conditions' by being delusional to the nth degree.

I do not remember saying RD/SRT took money to lose 2007.   Even if I did it would be an easy let off for the players that were inept and not upto the task and true to their form and history came back after the qulifying rounds beaten of all teams by BD after so many resources were provided to them for the all important event.  Worse the senior most member was the biggest baby of all sulking at the behest of being asked to play in the middle order as if India never lost the big games when this guy opened.

So I look fine it is you who is in need for a mirror check.

yeah..look at your posts. When CP talked about Dhakkans flopping in CL, you need to bring Delhi losing in semi finals. that shows your penchant for pulling down someone else to show DC and VVS is positive sense.

First off learn to spell proper nouns.   It is not that difficult to call your team  'Bongulooru' at whose expense we won the IPL2 final by laying the wood across.   No CP did not talk about DC flopping without bringing in some wild animals into the picture to describe them and I did respond accordingly after letting it go for while which is exactly what I am telling you will happen.   And what is so wrong in bringing in the SF which is a fact.  And get away from this business of hiding behind other members by bringing them in.  Try to be your own man.  So do not worry about my penchant.   Worry about yourself first.

flip flop..ROFL..you are the one hiding behind 'not remembering'. At least I can show that there are statistics to backup my statements such as SRT>RD>> VVS.

That is exactly what I am getting at.  Show individual stats by these fanatics which mean nothing and feel happy and when the time comes to deliver in WC's lose of BD and SL when chasing 240 and come home empty handed and to make matters worse sulk over batting order.   May be you can show Tendulkar lost 5 WC's which is greater than 3 that RD lost in essense which translates to SRT > RD when it comes to losing.   Enough said on that. 

May be before responding with some inane stuff  you can try to remember what all you posted earlier instead of hiding behind 'not remembering'..yeah..good excuse.!

Sure I do remember all I posted and if you lie out of your teeth and claim things I have not posted I have to respond as I did.   So no I am not hiding as you usually do and frankly you are not the one I should be hiding from nor do I need any excuses.   One other thing I know for sure is my posts are not inane as yours as can be proven by statements such as 'SRT and RD are the only ones capable of playing in hostile conditions'.

you can call Bongulooru or whatever animal ...it is not my city and i m not that parochial like you.
Another thing.

If you are not that parochial then what are you?  A little parochial.  There is no such thing just so that you know which means you are parochial.

This is a democratic forum and I can definitely write my opinions and there is no rule saying other conversation should not be referred.

You can refer to whoever you want but atleast have some thing to say for yourself and do not put others in the harms way by misqouting things as you usually do. 

[keep-it-cool]

Whatever the case may be we can not blame it on Gilly. He did his best. The rest of the batsmen should have supported him given the target being modest.

agree...Gilly is not to be blamed for this loss but some of the decisions he made as a captain does not make sense.
Playing VVS as opener..?

Nothing wrong with that given the form VVS was in - he was coming off a good county season where he also had a good record in the T-20 games he played. He also did very well in the first match here. Even y'day he was batting at a fair clip before he got out.

based on few county matches ? what's next ...India limited overs team based on county. it is the same mistake that happened with RD ( although RD did not do too badly) in picking him.
VVS is just not meant for that and hat should have been expected.

Why not? How is this tournament different from county cricket? There are a few internationals and a lot of local players.

Besides, this is what VVS did in the two matches that he played

v/s Somerset - 46 (35)
v/s T&T - 4 (6)

By RD's ODI performance standards, this is exceptional.

One can argue that VVS does not belong in the opener's slot permanantly but for this tournament that move worked well. If DC had managed to get over the line in that first match, he may even have been man of the match. Hardly a valid example of poor captaincy.

what is RD's one day performance got to do with this ?  That too RD is fighting for a place in the national team where VVS is not even in the radar    VVS and RD's limited over batting cannot even be compared and talked about in the same sentence. I remember you talking about why RD is not a good pick for one day as a retort to one of the posts but when another poster talks about case for VVS being in one day matches, the silence is quite loud. 
Guess this this is just bait , I will leave that wide down the leg side.

Hello ...it was you who brought RD into the conversation (check the part highlighted above in red) by saying that asking VVS to open was the same mistake as getting RD back. I just replied by carrying that analogy forward. If you think that RD did not do too badly, by that yardstick, VVS did exceptionally well.

So what bait or case for VVS in ODIs are you talking about?

Even in the first match, VVS could not finish off the match. Ideally if I were a captain I would expect him to stay till the end ( or at least  till 15th or 16th over ) after getting that kind of score. second match obviously is a disaster. Moreover man times in the past he has alked about not interested in opening. So why is this sudden love ?

Well you are not captain. Gilly is. You are holding VVS' performance to the role you would have him play. VVS' batting clearly indicated that he was not there to play an anchor role but to get on with it as well. And in that role he did quite well to end up as top scorer for DC with a SR of 130+ in the first match. Yes he could have done better ...especially in the second match ..but since when has one failure been held against a player?

What does his lack of interest in opening in test matches have to do with him opening in this version of the game?? That same question can then be asked of SRT - why does he not put up his hand to open in tests despite wanting to do so in ODIs? Lets not confuse formats here.

In any case, what does that have to do with Gilly's captaincy? Maybe he was able to convince / motivate VVS to do so in the interest of the team. What is wrong with that?

[ganavk]

Whatever the case may be we can not blame it on Gilly. He did his best. The rest of the batsmen should have supported him given the target being modest.

agree...Gilly is not to be blamed for this loss but some of the decisions he made as a captain does not make sense.
Playing VVS as opener..?

Nothing wrong with that given the form VVS was in - he was coming off a good county season where he also had a good record in the T-20 games he played. He also did very well in the first match here. Even y'day he was batting at a fair clip before he got out.

based on few county matches ? what's next ...India limited overs team based on county. it is the same mistake that happened with RD ( although RD did not do too badly) in picking him.
VVS is just not meant for that and hat should have been expected.

Why not? How is this tournament different from county cricket? There are a few internationals and a lot of local players.

Besides, this is what VVS did in the two matches that he played

v/s Somerset - 46 (35)
v/s T&T - 4 (6)

By RD's ODI performance standards, this is exceptional.

One can argue that VVS does not belong in the opener's slot permanantly but for this tournament that move worked well. If DC had managed to get over the line in that first match, he may even have been man of the match. Hardly a valid example of poor captaincy.

what is RD's one day performance got to do with this ?  That too RD is fighting for a place in the national team where VVS is not even in the radar    VVS and RD's limited over batting cannot even be compared and talked about in the same sentence. I remember you talking about why RD is not a good pick for one day as a retort to one of the posts but when another poster talks about case for VVS being in one day matches, the silence is quite loud. 
Guess this this is just bait , I will leave that wide down the leg side.

Hello ...it was you who brought RD into the conversation (check the part highlighted above in red) by saying that asking VVS to open was the same mistake as getting RD back. I just replied by carrying that analogy forward. If you think that RD did not do too badly, by that yardstick, VVS did exceptionally well.

So what bait or case for VVS in ODIs are you talking about?

Even in the first match, VVS could not finish off the match. Ideally if I were a captain I would expect him to stay till the end ( or at least  till 15th or 16th over ) after getting that kind of score. second match obviously is a disaster. Moreover man times in the past he has alked about not interested in opening. So why is this sudden love ?

Well you are not captain. Gilly is. You are holding VVS' performance to the role you would have him play. VVS' batting clearly indicated that he was not there to play an anchor role but to get on with it as well. And in that role he did quite well to end up as top scorer for DC with a SR of 130+ in the first match. Yes he could have done better ...especially in the second match ..but since when has one failure been held against a player?

What does his lack of interest in opening in test matches have to do with him opening in this version of the game?? That same question can then be asked of SRT - why does he not put up his hand to open in tests despite wanting to do so in ODIs? Lets not confuse formats here.

In any case, what does that have to do with Gilly's captaincy? Maybe he was able to convince / motivate VVS to do so in the interest of the team. What is wrong with that?

well..who was comparing RD's one day performance to VVS 20-20 to justify ? not me.
I am not the captain but by that logic I am assuming you are not Gilly either.

[keep-it-cool]

Well, you compared RD's selection in ODIs with VVS' selection in T20s and opened up that line of debate - especially by commenting on RD's performance. Just to highlight, I did not compare RD's ODI or T-20 performance with VVS' T-20 performance. I was just comparing RD's performance vis-a-vis his assigned role to VVS' performance vis-a-vis his assigned role. (Role as perceived by us in both cases). That is quite valid if you want to go down the comparison that you initiated.

I am not Gilly either. I am just pointing out that your expectation of VVS (to stay there till the 15/16th over) is based on your assumption that Gilly expected VVS to play the sheet anchor role. On the other hand, if you look at the scorecard plus saw the way VVS was batting, it was quite clear that he was not trying to be a sheet anchor but to get on with it just like the others.