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[ganavk]

Not going to be easy for DC. They have to favorite going into this match and I guess they have to win by quite a good margin to move into next round.

All the best, T&T  they have as many Indians as  an IPL team

[Cover Point]

i hope the monkeys loose! and the monkeys are not the kallus to the unclued!

[justforkix]

Not going to be easy for DC. They have to favorite going into this match and I guess they have to win by quite a good margin to move into next round.

not really, somerset has -1.0 nrr and DC has -0.2. Just a win should be enough I think.

All the best, T&T  they have as many Indians as  an IPL team

hehe, yup, last game, 6 desis and 5 foreign players 

overall squad - they have 8 desis and 7 firangis

Go T&T, Go Calypso - loved the way they had fun last game - that is the way to play the sport

[broadbat]

Since when have you started watching the CL?

[ramshorns]

Despite winning the IPL2, DC of the 8 home games played have won none to this point.   Along the the way they have two last ball defeat's at home from seemingly winning postions.  So there is some kind of a curse working against them at home.  All that needs to change today if they have to advance to the next round here or else they will be left to ponder for a while.   Keeping all this aside I expect them to win today and advance to the next round.

[12th_Man]

TT do have some match breakers- Simons,Ganga,Bravo
T20 is anybodys game when a player or two have their day.
My money however is still on DC however wont mind TT winning this and WI cricket getting something to cheer about.

[pzd]

DC win toss  and elect to chase, thought the run rate was of not much significance

[ramshorns]

Little baffled at the selection.  They are loaded up on the batting bringing in Abhinav Kumar a batsman replacing Harmeet a bowler.   But let us see what happens when they chase since they elected to field.

[12th_Man]

I guess chase is a fair decision in a must win game. They can have more control and can accelerate or decelerate as per wish

[ramshorns]

RP has just lost it.   Three no-balls on the trot.   Thinking too much I guess.

[Cover Point]

RP flowering in Monkey's company.

[ganavk]

Gilly playing a good knock here after running out Symmonds.

[ganavk]

V.Rao playing a gem here!

[poondu]

DC knocked out. Poor fnish from Suman.

RS has to take the major blame. Not coming up with a big innings after he was well set

[ramshorns]

DC cannot win a game at home in Hyderbad.

For those of you who believe in curses here is an interesting scenario.

They are 0-9 and a bunch of the games are the ones lost after seemingly put themselves in a position to win.

Anyone who watched this game will know that.

They were always ahead of the curve throughout only to somehow find a way to lose.

But then they are out of it now and is a huge letdown.

The Semis and Finals are to be hosted in Hyderabad and there will lots of tickets available for the takers.

[ramshorns]

DC knocked out. Poor fnish from Suman.

RS has to take the major blame. Not coming up with a big innings after he was well set

I get a feeling RS is not focussed enough as a batsman to make a difference in the long run.  A very tame dismissal to say the least today.  I am very disppointed by the commitment levels of some of these players overall.

[12th_Man]

Were they captained by an Australian and still managed to lose to a TT team ? 

[ramshorns]

Rao is one player who deserves a lot of credit.  He almost low down the order in all the games I seen for DC chipped in with some kind of useful contributions.  I really like to back to players like that.

[ramshorns]

Gilly speaks.  He says may be they need to move from here.    But his assessment overall on the two games was spot on.   I understand his frustration after losing one game on the last ball and another in the 20th over after seeming to be well on the way.

[ramshorns]

I am sure I will get some live upates from the ground soon.   My folks are in there.  Lots of disappointment to say the least.    But they will get over it.

[ganavk]

Were they captained by an Australian and still managed to lose to a TT team ? 

one Australian ran out another Australian who laid eggs in both the matches..

[ramshorns]

But winners are winners.   It does not have to be told again and again the whole story of the incredible success of players like Gilly and Symmo etc.

I will back these guys anyday of the week.   

You know the feeling of winning IPL2 is not exactly something one can forget that easily.   Ofcourse one want to win everything out there but that is not possible.

For me personally the only disappointing thing is us not being in the 2nd round in a championship where most of the big games are in Hyderabad.  A let down for the fans not being able to see some great hometown players that brought home IPL2 championship for a little longer.

[12th_Man]

Rao is one player who deserves a lot of credit.  He almost low down the order in all the games I seen for DC chipped in with some kind of useful contributions.  I really like to back to players like that.

I did not understand why they had Abhi bat early on. Suman or Venu should have been given  a chance if the Idea was to shield some.

[vincent]

Whatever the case may be we can not blame it on Gilly. He did his best. The rest of the batsmen should have supported him given the target being modest.

[ramshorns]

Rao is one player who deserves a lot of credit.  He almost low down the order in all the games I seen for DC chipped in with some kind of useful contributions.  I really like to back to players like that.

I did not understand why they had Abhi bat early on. Suman or Venu should have been given  a chance if the Idea was to shield some.

Did you follow the DC's prep work the one week before this campaign.  If you did you will not be posing such questions and double guessing.  Plus the ball that Abhinav Kumar got out to was decent and I do not have a problem with that.   I think Symmo's run-out pegged them back overall though Rao did great to put them back on track only to lose it out in the end.

[12th_Man]

Rao is one player who deserves a lot of credit.  He almost low down the order in all the games I seen for DC chipped in with some kind of useful contributions.  I really like to back to players like that.

I did not understand why they had Abhi bat early on. Suman or Venu should have been given  a chance if the Idea was to shield some.

Did you follow the DC's prep work the one week before this campaign.  If you did you will not be posing such questions and double guessing.  Plus the ball that Abhinav Kumar got out to was decent and I do not have a problem with that.   I think Symmo's run-out pegged them back overall though Rao did great to put them back on track only to lose it out in the end.

Unfortunately not.
What were they preparing for ? Loss after the winning position ? 

[ramshorns]

Rao is one player who deserves a lot of credit.  He almost low down the order in all the games I seen for DC chipped in with some kind of useful contributions.  I really like to back to players like that.

I did not understand why they had Abhi bat early on. Suman or Venu should have been given  a chance if the Idea was to shield some.

Did you follow the DC's prep work the one week before this campaign.  If you did you will not be posing such questions and double guessing.  Plus the ball that Abhinav Kumar got out to was decent and I do not have a problem with that.   I think Symmo's run-out pegged them back overall though Rao did great to put them back on track only to lose it out in the end.

Unfortunately not.
What were they preparing for ? Loss after the winning position ? 

Look wins and losses are part of the game.   It is this same type of prep work that won them the 20-20 IPL championship in SA 4-5 months back.   So you got to take the good with the bad.

I am very happy with the team DC had from the get go.

Gilly are Symmo are just that kind of players and they have already banked in big time with that IPL2 win though this is a huge let down for the owners because there was a lot of money for them in this champions league given Hyderabad has a lot of big games including the SF and Finals to host.   So it may be difficult for them and us fans to recover from here and the hurt will be there till this thing gets over with.   

[Cover Point]

It's interesting. When srt or dravid fail to take their team to the next stage they r called losers. When laxman and symonds do that they r excused. We won't call a spade a spade.

[ganavk]

Whatever the case may be we can not blame it on Gilly. He did his best. The rest of the batsmen should have supported him given the target being modest.

agree...Gilly is not to be blamed for this loss but some of the decisions he made as a captain does not make sense.
Playing VVS as opener..?
Not playing to take wickets in the first match , letting the match drift
why is Rohit Sharma is not bowling ? certainly he can bowl 2-3 overs and may be better than Styris.
Where is Dwayne Smith when you need him ?

[Cover Point]

Gilly are Symmo are just that kind of players and they have already banked in big time with that IPL2 win though this is a huge let down for the owners because there was a lot of money for them in this champions league given Hyderabad has a lot of big games including the SF and Finals to host.   So it may be difficult for them and us fans to recover from here and the hurt will be there till this thing gets over with.

so thats why they are excused?

In that case SRT has already banked in big time in many many cases (including in australia, in that sharjah series) ... so no expectations from him.

Dravid took us to some foreign tour wins ... so no expectations from him.

Heck even ganguly took us to the wc 2003 final .... he is excused too.

nopes. if you criticize indian stars for some games ... then u need to hold the same standard for the monkeys too. This game was bigger than an IPL final. This was the next test of the IPL teams .... the champions league .... and monkeys came cropper in this test.

So we know they could tonk the indian domestic bowlers for one month. When it came to performing in a key game on the world stage ... the monkeys came a cropper.

there had to be said...

[ramshorns]

Gilly are Symmo are just that kind of players and they have already banked in big time with that IPL2 win though this is a huge let down for the owners because there was a lot of money for them in this champions league given Hyderabad has a lot of big games including the SF and Finals to host.   So it may be difficult for them and us fans to recover from here and the hurt will be there till this thing gets over with.

so thats why they are excused?

In that case SRT has already banked in big time in many many cases (including in australia, in that sharjah series) ... so no expectations from him.

Dravid took us to some foreign tour wins ... so no expectations from him.

Heck even ganguly took us to the wc 2003 final .... he is excused too.

nopes. if you criticize indian stars for some games ... then u need to hold the same standard for the monkeys too. This game was bigger than an IPL final. This was the next test of the IPL teams .... the champions league .... and monkeys came cropper in this test.

So we know they could tonk the indian domestic bowlers for one month. When it came to performing in a key game on the world stage ... the monkeys came a cropper.

there had to be said...

No I am going to say any of that.   

We won the IPL2 and as I always told people here when you win your share of big games it is easier for the fans to let go of some disappointments.   I am quite happy and content at the moment despite the bad losses here which are to be assessed and dealt with in time for IPL3.

If we would have won a WC or two for all these massive number of games some of the Indian stars have played may be I would have been more forgiving of them.  I do not see that and perhaps came across as harsh in my criticism which by the way was well with in bounds.

I am fine and dandy and I have criticised the team and the players here from DC above as needed. 

One more thing you seem to have a penchant for animals with a tail and I can see you liberally referring to players as monkeys or what not.  Did you forget the SF drubbing we monkeys gave the Pigs from Delhi 4 months back when they got their shock of their lives after being knocked out of the SF in the first five overs by Gilly and company.

[ramshorns]

It's interesting. When srt or dravid fail to take their team to the next stage they r called losers. When laxman and symonds do that they r excused. We won't call a spade a spade.

First off I never literally called any one of Tendulkar or a Dravid a loser.  Plus why would I not criticise Dravid and Tendulkar or the team after the WC 2007 performance?   If you think after DC won IPL2  thanks to the team effort under Gilly and I am going to come down hard at them after each defeat then you are gravely mistaken.  Nice try but they do deserve some slack here despite the huge disappointment for me personally speaking and I did express my displeasure above.   As I said above again if someone wins a SF and Final in a setting such as the IPL in a 20-20 game it becomes easy to let go some defeats.  Trust me.  Remember RR and how they were easily let off after the IPL2 disaster which had a lot to do with the IPL1 success.

[poondu]

Whatever the case may be we can not blame it on Gilly. He did his best. The rest of the batsmen should have supported him given the target being modest.

agree...Gilly is not to be blamed for this loss but some of the decisions he made as a captain does not make sense.
Playing VVS as opener..?
Not playing to take wickets in the first match , letting the match drift
why is Rohit Sharma is not bowling ? certainly he can bowl 2-3 overs and may be better than Styris.
Where is Dwayne Smith when you need him ?

Dwayne Smith played for one of the english counties

[ganavk]

Whatever the case may be we can not blame it on Gilly. He did his best. The rest of the batsmen should have supported him given the target being modest.

agree...Gilly is not to be blamed for this loss but some of the decisions he made as a captain does not make sense.
Playing VVS as opener..?
Not playing to take wickets in the first match , letting the match drift
why is Rohit Sharma is not bowling ? certainly he can bowl 2-3 overs and may be better than Styris.
Where is Dwayne Smith when you need him ?

Dwayne Smith played for one of the english counties

yeah..sussex. He made lots of difference to this DC team last time around.

[ramshorns]

Whatever the case may be we can not blame it on Gilly. He did his best. The rest of the batsmen should have supported him given the target being modest.

agree...Gilly is not to be blamed for this loss but some of the decisions he made as a captain does not make sense.
Playing VVS as opener..?
Not playing to take wickets in the first match , letting the match drift
why is Rohit Sharma is not bowling ? certainly he can bowl 2-3 overs and may be better than Styris.
Where is Dwayne Smith when you need him ?

Dwayne Smith played for one of the english counties

yeah..sussex. He made lots of difference to this DC team last time around.

He really did not make lots of difference to the DC team last time around in the IPL2.  He was ok.  Nothing special.   He did not play in the final 2 critical games for DC in the league stages and also the SF and the Final.   DC won it without his services pretty much.   He is decent though but not a difference maker like a Gilly or a Symmo would on a consistent basis and with the 4 player limit he is on and off kind of a player and cannot be a certainity.

Even in the appearances for Sussex here he just was a passenger.  While chasing 130 versus NSW a game I happened to watch he just played an atrocious shot to be bowled when the asking rate was not that high.  So I do not think DC missed his services at all or would have been the difference maker though I would personally have played him ahead of an old Scott Styris.

[ganavk]

Whatever the case may be we can not blame it on Gilly. He did his best. The rest of the batsmen should have supported him given the target being modest.

agree...Gilly is not to be blamed for this loss but some of the decisions he made as a captain does not make sense.
Playing VVS as opener..?
Not playing to take wickets in the first match , letting the match drift
why is Rohit Sharma is not bowling ? certainly he can bowl 2-3 overs and may be better than Styris.
Where is Dwayne Smith when you need him ?

Dwayne Smith played for one of the english counties

yeah..sussex. He made lots of difference to this DC team last time around.

He really did not make lots of difference to the DC team last time around in the IPL2.  He was ok.  Nothing special.   He did not play in the final 2 critical games for DC in the league stages and also the SF and the Final.   DC won it without his services pretty much.   He is decent though but not a difference maker like a Gilly or a Symmo would on a consistent basis and with the 4 player limit he is on and off kind of a player and cannot be a certainity.

Even in the appearances for Sussex here he just was a passenger.  While chasing 130 versus NSW a game I happened to watch he just played an atrocious shot to be bowled when the asking rate was not that high.  So I do not think DC missed his services at all or would have been the difference maker though I would personally have played him ahead of an old Scott Styris.

Not sure that Smith did not make a difference. I remember some of his great hittings in IPLII that clearly demoralized the opponents. but does not matter one way or the other.
but surely 'SymmoAnna' has been a big disppointment for Hyd. He has lost some crucial matches and he has been a flop in champions trophy. Not worthy of world's best limited overs player as some people claim.

[ganavk]

It's interesting. When srt or dravid fail to take their team to the next stage they r called losers. When laxman and symonds do that they r excused. We won't call a spade a spade.

First off I never literally called any one of Tendulkar or a Dravid a loser. 

but literally called them taking money to lose WC2007

[teamindia]

ha ha ha... glad to know dhakkans have been kicked out of whatever league that's going on. Did that drunken monkey play as well for dhakkans?

[keep-it-cool]

There is one call by Gilly yesterday that is really questionable - why put this Kumar chap at 3 when Suman has already done quite well at that spot.

Other than that, I think this DC team needs Afridi in the mix - he can be a BIG difference - given that his bowling has come along very well and he is always good for a quickfire 20-30 in this format.

[keep-it-cool]

Whatever the case may be we can not blame it on Gilly. He did his best. The rest of the batsmen should have supported him given the target being modest.

agree...Gilly is not to be blamed for this loss but some of the decisions he made as a captain does not make sense.
Playing VVS as opener..?

Nothing wrong with that given the form VVS was in - he was coming off a good county season where he also had a good record in the T-20 games he played. He also did very well in the first match here. Even y'day he was batting at a fair clip before he got out.

Not playing to take wickets in the first match , letting the match drift

It was hardly that. He brought Edwards back on to take wickets (just as he did yesterday with good results) but he got taken out of the attack due to two waist high full tosses. Losing 2 overs from your strike bowler - especially when rain was making it difficult for the slower bowlers - is something the captain can hardly control in such a short game.

why is Rohit Sharma is not bowling ? certainly he can bowl 2-3 overs and may be better than Styris.

He did bowl in the first match. He was not really needed yesterday. DC did well to restrict T&T to under 150 on that pitch - most commentators kept saying through the match that both batting sides underperformed. It was the batting that cost them the match yesterday.

Where is Dwayne Smith when you need him ?

Playing for Sussex. That was a management call. They would have had to pay Sussex if they had to retain his services. No point really given that he is at best their fourth best foreign option and Styris was available for free.