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[sudzz]

Bang can actually make Oz follow on..an upset of what?

[OldPal]

Lets see..
With what we have seen. Morning session will have quick wickets.
Gillchrist as he is known for - getting aggressive may do some wonders.
Though I want the Tigers to Upset Ponting's Men, But we know there is a reason why Aussies stay number 1.
I still feel It would be a close match even if Aussies take a follow on..

[OldPal]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/4896280.stm

We must be patient, says Whatmore 
 
Mohammad Rafique (left) took 2-40 on Monday for Bangladesh
Bangladesh coach Dav Whatmore has warned his team not to get carried away after they dominated the first two days of the first Test against Australia.
The hosts ran up 427 before reducing Australia, the best side in the world, to 145-6 in their first innings.

"We are in the driving seat, which is something new to us," said Whatmore.

"The situation is that Bangladesh are very much on top and we have to realise how close we are to winning the game, however it is not one-day cricket."

Stuart MacGill said Australia's poor batting had taken the shine off his career-best bowling performance.

MacGill took 8-108 as Bangladesh broke the 400 barrier for only the fourth time in their short Test history, but he could only watch as Australia's batsmen failed to fire.

"I would have been happier if we were in a better position," said MacGill.

"The pitch has deteriorated a little but full credit to the Bangladeshi spinners for dominating our batsmen."
 

[senthilpeter]

I hope Whatmore digs into his videos and briangs to figure out how people have been bowling to Gilly lately. I'd really like to see B'desh with this one.

The cricinfo report of day 2 had the following -- I think the seleciton of this particular song is infact a cool and cute idea. Esp, cos its a bit of a strectch for B'desh to talk of it as 'aadat'

"Bangladesh have been stuck in the shadows of their neighbouring giants - India and Pakistan - but in the first two days they have done, at home, what neither country has pulled off against Australia for a while now. A popular Pakistani pop song that gained immense popularity when it became part of an Indian movie's soundtrack, was blaring to out to Bangladeshi fans as play resumed after lunch. The main line goes something like this: "Ab toh aadat si hai aise jeene mein" ("Now its become a habit to live this way"). If Bangladesh can make it a habit to play their cricket this way, they'll soon be a force to be reckoned with."

[worma]

As I wrote on SightScreen too, I feel that Bdesh is the least equipped to exploit Gillie's weakness (doesnt mean he cant throw it away)...and a lead less than 200 is still advantage Australia....since Bangladesh has almost never shown a fight (leave alone a good score) in a second innings - even in the matches where they have done relatively well.

So, under 200 lead means a target of less than 400 for Aussies - which should still make them favourite, despite the spin and subcontinent and all - because this is Bangaldesh, and the Aussie batting is in good form (except Gillie who is now coming into form).

The again, stranger things have happened in cricket (although not so much in recent times

One recent Aussie problem that the Bdesh innings re-emphasizes is the tendency of their attack not to be able to 'control' the stiuation when its not going their way. Conceding 355 in a day to Bdesh attack is the biggest indictment...bigger than losing that ODI to bdesh, and perhaps bigger than losing this match.

[senthilpeter]

As I wrote on SightScreen too, I feel that Bdesh is the least equipped to exploit Gillie's weakness (doesnt mean he cant throw it away)...and a lead less than 200 is still advantage Australia....since Bangladesh has almost never shown a fight (leave alone a good score) in a second innings - even in the matches where they have done relatively well.

So, under 200 lead means a target of less than 400 for Aussies - which should still make them favourite, despite the spin and subcontinent and all - because this is Bangaldesh, and the Aussie batting is in good form (except Gillie who is now coming into form).

The again, stranger things have happened in cricket (although not so much in recent times

One recent Aussie problem that the Bdesh innings re-emphasizes is the tendency of their attack not to be able to 'control' the stiuation when its not going their way. Conceding 355 in a day to Bdesh attack is the biggest indictment...bigger than losing that ODI to bdesh, and perhaps bigger than losing this match.

Worma, if they do get a 200 run lead, i'm willing to put my money on B'desh. From match reports it seems like the pitch is taking a good bit of turn. I dont believe even Aus will chase, say 360 - generously giving Bdesh 160 in the second innings, on a 4th day turner. But yes, this is cricket!!

Very good highlighting of the 'control' problem. This is the one area where Fletcher and the English team seem to focus and take pride. I heard numerous English commentators in the recent India Test series highlight (and praise) the English bowling about this. Basically the bowling never loses control of a situation/match. Eng surely above Aus in this regard lately.

[squarecut]

If Banglas can pull this one this would be the mother of all upsets.

Just imagine us playing in place of Aussies and with our current form we would have gone down.

[fineleg]

If Banglas can pull this one this would be the mother of all upsets.


Just imagine us playing in place of Aussies and with our current form we would have gone down.

Oh! My! You have just made the MOTHER OF ALL STATEMENTS in this DG.
Just wait until folks like Kix, Dhruv, GK read this statement! LOL

For writing off the famed Indian team against a Bangla team...mmm...not sure how folks in this DG would have responded if I had made this same statement as u just did 

[fineleg]

On another note, this Bangla team is getting tougher by the day...they still prob have a loooong way to go before they get very strong, but day-by-day they are getting tougher...That is one heck of a RAPID RISE...

I wonder if the Champions Trophy in Sep-Oct 2006, will spring some surprises from Bangladesh...they are in the group with SA and NZ and playing in Indian pitches which may suit the Ban spinners.

The Ban U-19 is already quite a good team. It is interesting to watch the Aussie decline (or perceived decline) to coincide with the emergence of Ban.

LOTSA MIXED FEELINGS for me:
I know some of ur having sheer ecstatic feeling seeing the new Bangla side decimate Aussies.
For me, it is a mixed feeling - a part of me is happy to see the "arrogant" Aussies get humiliated, but then again Aussie team is one I have admired for a long time, and sad to see them declining...
Also, great to see a new team coming up well, but again not sure how well it bodes for Indian team attaining supremacy in cricketing world...

I need to think abt my feelings a bit more, but right now, certainly Mixed feelings reading abt the BAN-AUS encounter.

[squarecut]

If Banglas can pull this one this would be the mother of all upsets.


Just imagine us playing in place of Aussies and with our current form we would have gone down.

Oh! My! You have just made the MOTHER OF ALL STATEMENTS in this DG.
Just wait until folks like Kix, Dhruv, GK read this statement! LOL

For writing off the famed Indian team against a Bangla team...mmm...not sure how folks in this DG would have responded if I had made this same statement as u just did 

We know where we stand as far as our test team is concerned. Anybody can beat us 

[squarecut]

On another note, this Bangla team is getting tougher by the day...they still prob have a loooong way to go before they get very strong, but day-by-day they are getting tougher...That is one heck of a RAPID RISE...

I wonder if the Champions Trophy in Sep-Oct 2006, will spring some surprises from Bangladesh...they are in the group with SA and NZ and playing in Indian pitches which may suit the Ban spinners.

The Ban U-19 is already quite a good team. It is interesting to watch the Aussie decline (or perceived decline) to coincide with the emergence of Ban.

LOTSA MIXED FEELINGS for me:
I know some of ur having sheer ecstatic feeling seeing the new Bangla side decimate Aussies.
For me, it is a mixed feeling - a part of me is happy to see the "arrogant" Aussies get humiliated, but then again Aussie team is one I have admired for a long time, and sad to see them declining...
Also, great to see a new team coming up well, but again not sure how well it bodes for Indian team attaining supremacy in cricketing world...

I need to think abt my feelings a bit more, but right now, certainly Mixed feelings reading abt the BAN-AUS encounter.

Aussies may still pull this off even then this is one heck of a performanace from Banglas.

[fineleg]

Aussies may still pull this off even then this is one heck of a performanace from Banglas.

Batting 4th on this pitch may be really tough for Aussies.
The only way Aussies may manage to win this match is if somehow the magic of Australia can be brought to show here...A DRAW here is as good as Aussie defeat as far as I am concerned.
Only a WIN can salvage the Aussies.

[vijay]

If India was in the same situation v Bang, and lost the match, we would be screaming for everyone to be fired. Dravid, GC the works. As it is, when we compare individuals stats, we typically filter performances vs Zimbabwe and Bangladesh out of the analysis. We typically argue that performances v Bangladesh don't count. The best thing about this match (win/lose/draw) is that a guys like Warne, Ponting etc. would never take a good performance against Bangaldesh for granted again. Likewise, when we analyze players, the likelihood that we would filter out games v Bang will be less than before.

[poondu]

If India was in the same situation v Bang, and lost the match, we would be screaming for everyone to be fired. Dravid, GC the works. As it is, when we compare individuals stats, we typically filter performances vs Zimbabwe and Bangladesh out of the analysis. We typically argue that performances v Bangladesh don't count. The best thing about this match (win/lose/draw) is that a guys like Warne, Ponting etc. would never take a good performance against Bangaldesh for granted again. Likewise, when we analyze players, the likelihood that we would filter out games v Bang will be less than before.

Great point. Applause

[fineleg]

If India was in the same situation v Bang, and lost the match, we would be screaming for everyone to be fired. Dravid, GC the works.

If at all India finds itself in similar situation in TEST match vs Bangladesh, they have a lot to thank for towards Australia...ur right, there would be cries to drop almost everyone (save for one of those McGill types who would have performed well). I admit there would be lot of cries, mine included. It would have been too much to accept.
   But, probably from now on, seeing the plight the "Mighty Mighty" Aussies have suffered, India may get spared a bit, so they really do need to thank the Aussies! So, would other cric countries around the world.

GC would need to thank the Aussies too...Just imagine, if Ind was in this position against Ban, who would be the first this DG will personally take the head off! LOL

[suraj]

Australia will still win but good performance by Bangladesh

[squarecut]

If India was in the same situation v Bang, and lost the match, we would be screaming for everyone to be fired. Dravid, GC the works.

If at all India finds itself in similar situation in TEST match vs Bangladesh, they have a lot to thank for towards Australia...ur right, there would be cries to drop almost everyone (save for one of those McGill types who would have performed well). I admit there would be lot of cries, mine included. It would have been too much to accept.
   But, probably from now on, seeing the plight the "Mighty Mighty" Aussies have suffered, India may get spared a bit, so they really do need to thank the Aussies! So, would other cric countries around the world.

GC would need to thank the Aussies too...Just imagine, if Ind was in this position against Ban, who would be the first this DG will personally take the head off! LOL

Not only GC everyother top test playing countries should thank Aussies if Bangla wins. If they loose sometime in future they  always comeup with  Banglas are improving they slained Aussies you know kind of talk

[dhruvdeepak]

This match is very much in the balance. It will require the characteristic back-to-the-wall brilliance of Gilchrist (with help from Dizzy and Lee) to bring Australia back. In the best case for Australia, I reckon Gilchrist will add 100 to his score with the tail adding 50-75, leading to Australia reaching 325 or so, and Bangla will have a lead of 100.

Judging by Bangla's recent history of 2nd innings collapses, and the mighty Aussie bowling, with this pitch spinning as much as it is, I reckon Bangla dont have a chance unless they get a lead of 150. That will make the game even, going into the 2nd inning. But if Aussies end up scoring 200-250 meaning a lead of 175-225 for Bangla, we have every chance of seeing one of the biggest upsets in the sport's history.

I would back Bangla to score 100-150 in the 2nd inning, and not much more. This pitch is turning square (did you see the ball that bowled Clarke? Drifted from left arm around the wicket, pitched on/outside leg, beat his bat and knocked the off stump) and even if Warne doesnt bowl, MacGill is there.

Let us (those supporting Bangla in this heroic effort) hope that Bangla can bowl out Aussies to gain a lead of at least 150. Then we will have a thrilling, even match. Remember, no target less than 325 should be beyond Australia, not with the form (and critically, the 2nd inning form) of Hussey, Ponting & Martyn.

[justforkix]

Never count out a team that has 9 match winners + 1 ex-match winner making a comeback (Dizzy) + 1 potential match winner (Stuart Clark). Macgill will run riot on Bangladesh in the 2nd innings even if Warnie can't bowl.

The main problem I see here is Australia doesen't know how to lose and Bangladesh doesen't know how to win.

[RicePlateReddy]

If India was in the same situation v Bang, and lost the match, we would be screaming for everyone to be fired. Dravid, GC the works. As it is, when we compare individuals stats, we typically filter performances vs Zimbabwe and Bangladesh out of the analysis. We typically argue that performances v Bangladesh don't count. The best thing about this match (win/lose/draw) is that a guys like Warne, Ponting etc. would never take a good performance against Bangaldesh for granted again. Likewise, when we analyze players, the likelihood that we would filter out games v Bang will be less than before.

The operative words are 'lost the match'. I am willing to bet that Australia simply won't lose this match. Their first innings is far from complete. Gilchrist has been the pivot of several recoveries with the tail. Wait and see the great Houdini act.

[dhruvdeepak]

Never count out a team that has 9 match winners + 1 ex-match winner making a comeback (Dizzy) + 1 potential match winner (Stuart Clark). Macgill will run riot on Bangladesh in the 2nd innings even if Warnie can't bowl.

The main problem I see here is Australia doesen't know how to lose and Bangladesh doesen't know how to win.

Fineleg's Pessimist Revolution is complete

[fineleg]

SYDNEY DAILY TELEGRAPH

This sums it up in ONE word.

Ricky Ponting head down in shame!??

[fineleg]

Never count out a team that has 9 match winners + 1 ex-match winner making a comeback (Dizzy) + 1 potential match winner (Stuart Clark). Macgill will run riot on Bangladesh in the 2nd innings even if Warnie can't bowl.

The main problem I see here is Australia doesen't know how to lose and Bangladesh doesen't know how to win.

Fineleg's Pessimist Revolution is complete

Yeaaaayz!  ...one more left, DD!

[dhruvdeepak]

Calling it pathetic is unfair. Bangla have played genuinely good cricket for 2 days.

+Good batting technique, showing the stamina and mental toughness to bat long periods
+Excellent opening bowlers, bowled straight and moved the ball a tad. Even the spinners kept things tight and got their wickets with GOOD deliveries - not rash shots

There has also been good umpiring, not siding with the Aussies (or Bangla for that matter)

The only time Aussies have let themselves down is Poor fielding with a few dropped catches

[fineleg]

KingofPrussia and Kix,
Currently Aussies trailing by 282!!!
It takes one ball to get Gilchrist and then story will wind down...

Assuming lead for Ban is 150-200, and this fighting team scores 100 (more likely 150+, just watch) more in 2nd INN, on DAY 5 pitch, Aussies are gonna really struggle.

[dhruvdeepak]

KingofPrussia and Kix,
Currently Aussies trailing by 282!!!
It takes one ball to get Gilchrist and then story will wind down...

Assuming lead for Ban is 150-200, and this fighting team scores 100 more in 2nd INN, on DAY 5 pitch, Aussies are gonna really struggle.

what the hell?!?! the tables are turned! fineleg is optimistic about Bangla!
This is a weird day

[fineleg]

This is indeed shameful, first in ODI and now in TEST match - if Aussies dont turn this Test around and WIN it (no draw!, thats a shame), then they indeed will look pathetic.

I just hope teams like INDIA, PAK dont use this as "excuse" that when they go and lose to Ban, to say, Hey Aussie also lost...we (Ind) just gotta beat Ban for the near future, no questions, no excuses. Let Aussies do what they want, we will not go that route! should be GC-mantra.

[fineleg]

KingofPrussia and Kix,
Currently Aussies trailing by 282!!!
It takes one ball to get Gilchrist and then story will wind down...

Assuming lead for Ban is 150-200, and this fighting team scores 100 more in 2nd INN, on DAY 5 pitch, Aussies are gonna really struggle.

what the hell?!?! the tables are turned! fineleg is optimistic about Bangla!
This is a weird day

Indeed - a day in History for Bangla, and a day in history for this DG - special days. 

[squarecut]

KingofPrussia and Kix,
Currently Aussies trailing by 282!!!
It takes one ball to get Gilchrist and then story will wind down...

Assuming lead for Ban is 150-200, and this fighting team scores 100 more in 2nd INN, on DAY 5 pitch, Aussies are gonna really struggle.

what the hell?!?! the tables are turned! fineleg is optimistic about Bangla!
This is a weird day

Indeed - a day in History for Bangla, and a day in history for this DG - special days. 

It will be a day in the history of test cricket. Mother of all upsets.

[fineleg]

This is a DG that has been existing for a long time - like "Cricket Voice" but obviously very happy day for that DG I presume (oh, now dont tell me I am Ban spy...good try!)...I just try to read it once in a very rare while, since I have some Ban friends... I am not a member, but u can just read it without log on:

Bangla Cricket - they have a decent front page and DG/Chat etc...like here
http://www.banglacricket.com

DG here : http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/

Match Threads: http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?s=a7947aa9770e9f789e980938eaa44c13&t=15680&page=101

They also have Multimedia to watch old Ban matches:
(they store the Video on their server - so it does not get lost later! good idea)
http://www.banglacricket.com/multimedia/videos.php

[Sahir]

no, no, no-- the way to look at it is that fineleg is pessimistic about Australia's chances

[fineleg]

no, no, no-- the way to look at it is that fineleg is pessimistic about Australia's chances

There is a flip side to every coin, sahir.
And, alas Sahir u've chosen to be pessimistic and spoil the fun today! 

[dhruvdeepak]

no, no, no-- the way to look at it is that fineleg is pessimistic about Australia's chances

LOL
The glass is always half empty at the end of the day. - Motto of The Pessimist Revolution

[j]

Guys,
Before everyone celebrates an Aussie defeat, please understand that this is all nonsense scheduling by the boards and ICC and nothing else. I mean they were just last week in SA beating them 3-0. To expect players to fly to an altogether different sub continent and subject them to a test match directly without any practice and expect to win is foolhardy. Isnt there a huge huge difference between SA and Bangladesh wickets? I wont read much into Aussie loss in this test match. Even mowgli can beat Tyson if Tyson is first asked to run a marathon or two and then fight. I am sure Australia would win the remaining matches ( how many are they playing here?)

Entire press of all cricket playing nations is going over the moon for this Aussie performance but there is no thought on the point I raised above.

[justforkix]

Never count out a team that has 9 match winners + 1 ex-match winner making a comeback (Dizzy) + 1 potential match winner (Stuart Clark). Macgill will run riot on Bangladesh in the 2nd innings even if Warnie can't bowl.

The main problem I see here is Australia doesen't know how to lose and Bangladesh doesen't know how to win.

Fineleg's Pessimist Revolution is complete

Aw Come On. I'm just being realistic here 

[fineleg]

Never count out a team that has 9 match winners + 1 ex-match winner making a comeback (Dizzy) + 1 potential match winner (Stuart Clark). Macgill will run riot on Bangladesh in the 2nd innings even if Warnie can't bowl.

The main problem I see here is Australia doesen't know how to lose and Bangladesh doesen't know how to win.

Fineleg's Pessimist Revolution is complete

Aw Come On. I'm just being realistic here 

It is complete 100% now - DECLARED VICTORY! 

[suraj]

Guys,
Before everyone celebrates an Aussie defeat, please understand that this is all nonsense scheduling by the boards and ICC and nothing else. I mean they were just last week in SA beating them 3-0. To expect players to fly to an altogether different sub continent and subject them to a test match directly without any practice and expect to win is foolhardy. Isnt there a huge huge difference between SA and Bangladesh wickets? I wont read much into Aussie loss in this test match. Even mowgli can beat Tyson if Tyson is first asked to run a marathon or two and then fight. I am sure Australia would win the remaining matches ( how many are they playing here?)

Entire press of all cricket playing nations is going over the moon for this Aussie performance but there is no thought on the point I raised above.

Good post j and very true

But I bet Bangladesh will not give 2 hoots if they win!!

[devatha]

Guys,
Before everyone celebrates an Aussie defeat, please understand that this is all nonsense scheduling by the boards and ICC and nothing else. I mean they were just last week in SA beating them 3-0. To expect players to fly to an altogether different sub continent and subject them to a test match directly without any practice and expect to win is foolhardy. Isnt there a huge huge difference between SA and Bangladesh wickets? I wont read much into Aussie loss in this test match. Even mowgli can beat Tyson if Tyson is first asked to run a marathon or two and then fight. I am sure Australia would win the remaining matches ( how many are they playing here?)

Entire press of all cricket playing nations is going over the moon for this Aussie performance but there is no thought on the point I raised above.

Good post j and very true

But I bet Bangladesh will not give 2 hoots if they win!!

But aren't Aus supposed to win every match, that too against Bangladesh? What if it was a 5 test series in SA, instead of a 3 Test series? So fatigue can't just be a valid reason for a loss. Pitch is no way going to be any excuse, whatsoever for Aussies. Not even Ricky Ponting will use these reasons as excuse.

[justforkix]

Guys,
Before everyone celebrates an Aussie defeat, please understand that this is all nonsense scheduling by the boards and ICC and nothing else. I mean they were just last week in SA beating them 3-0. To expect players to fly to an altogether different sub continent and subject them to a test match directly without any practice and expect to win is foolhardy. Isnt there a huge huge difference between SA and Bangladesh wickets?

Nope. Aussie players have clearly indicated that they want to play less practice games in tours, just because of large amount of cricket. I'm pretty sure, Aussie players, board etc. did not want a practice game for the 1st test. If they wanted, they would've got one. Which basically means, Aussies didn't think Bangladesh as too much of a competetion and felt that they can win the 2 tests without any practice/preparation. IMO, Aussies were always thinking of the Bang tour as a pit stop on the way back hom from the SAF tour. For example, if Aus were touring India/Pak/SL, they would have surely had one or two practice games before the 2 tests. Aussies didn't think too highly of Bang and are now paying the price for it.

Also, all credit goes to Bangladesh. They have outplayed Australia in all forms of the game for 2 days. None of the Aussies actually got out to poor shots, all very good balls. and in fact, bang batsmen got out to poor shots. IMO, Bang should have scored 500-550.

[senthilpeter]

Guys,
Before everyone celebrates an Aussie defeat, please understand that this is all nonsense scheduling by the boards and ICC and nothing else. I mean they were just last week in SA beating them 3-0. To expect players to fly to an altogether different sub continent and subject them to a test match directly without any practice and expect to win is foolhardy. Isnt there a huge huge difference between SA and Bangladesh wickets? I wont read much into Aussie loss in this test match. Even mowgli can beat Tyson if Tyson is first asked to run a marathon or two and then fight. I am sure Australia would win the remaining matches ( how many are they playing here?)

Entire press of all cricket playing nations is going over the moon for this Aussie performance but there is no thought on the point I raised above.

Off a bit from cricket, I hope you saw some of Tyson's early days fights. when he was knocking the hell of out of people... even after a marathon he would have knocked Mowgli into a grave