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Congratulations!!! Leander Paes
« on: April 09, 2006, 07:12:00 PM »
The 33-year-old beat the rising heat, cramps and a charged up opponent to give India another memorable victory in the Davis Cup.

And sporting rivalries don't get better or bigger than this one. India was playing Davis Cup against Pakistan after 33 years and the passion spilled over during a draining day at the Brabourne stadium.

India's captain Paes, who gave up the fourth set to preserve himself for the last, beat Aqeel Khan 6-4, 7-6(4), 3-6, 0-6, 6-1 amid an electric atmosphere to help India to a 3-2 victory.

Earlier in the morning, Aisam Qureshi outlasted Prakash Amritraj 6-2, 6-4, 3-6, 6-3 in another high intensity encounter to draw Pakistan level in the tie.

Qureshi was left dehydrated by the effort and was rushed to hospital after the match. He returned after treatment later as Paes battled it out for a memorable victory.

Paes's decision to pick himself over India's number two player Rohan Bopanna seemed to have backfired as the veteran player's fitness was tested to the fullest four more than three hours. He suffered cramps in the third set and seemed unable to move by the fourth. He just about threw in the serves and didn't even attempt a shot that wasn't within his reach.

He took a medical break in the fifth set as well and wasn't at his best even in the third set, but the sheer will was enough to break Khan's confidence.

The crowd got behind him and even the Indian bench cheered for their captain wildly as he saved three break-points in the first game of the fifth set and then went onto break Khan to take a 2-0 lead.

Paes, who played his last Davis Cup tie against Uzbekistan last year, showed no signs of rust as he walked through the first set with a break in the tenth game.

Khan ran Paes close in the second set, but couldn't stop him from taking it via the tie-breaker at 7-4.

The Indian took a bathroom break after the second set and Khan cut a forlorn figure as he slumped into the chair, towel wrapped around his face. He came out to face Paes in the third set with a glimmer of hope and tears still lingering in his eyes.

The break affected Paes's momentum and he was broken in the fourth game with Pakistan up 3-1. That's where the slump began for India. Paes couldn't get in the returns and his volleys dropped well before the net. Khan saw his chance and seized it.

He ran through Paes in the fourth set and looked good to end the tie in heartbreak for India.

But, as Mahesh Bhupathi later said, "When the chips are down you can't trust anyone better than Paes to do the job for India in Davis Cup."

The 33-year-old Paes, who has won 78 of his 108 Davis Cup singles ties over 17 years, drew inspiration from those years of hard work for India and turned tables on Aqeel. Apart from the first game of the fifth set, where he faced three break-points, Paes played through the set in a trance. The minute he was able to move and challenge Khan, the Pakistani was held paralysed by the Indian ace's spirit.

In the end, Paes took the deciding set 6-1 to script another memorable Davis Cup win and win the hearts if the Indian crowd all over again.

Aisam Qureshi too good for Amritraj

Qureshi was a distinct class above Amritraj in the first reverse singles as he overcame cramps in another intense performance to draw Pakistan 2-2 level in the tie.

The game started with a flurry of big serves as Amritraj cracked three service winners to win the first game comfortably. Qureshi followed it up by firing three aces in his first service game as the first few games hardly saw any rallies.

Pakistan got into the lead when Qureshi broke Amritraj in the second service game and followed it up with sizzling serves and volleys to race through the set 6-2.

Amritraj was outclassed in the first two sets by the Pakistani, who has a game tailor-made for grass. Though Amritraj tried to attack the net, he was unable to put away the volleys. Qureshi pushed the bar too high and the Indian didn't have any weapons to beat him.

Amritraj was broken in the third game in the second set too and though he saved a set point, Qureshi served out the set with an ace.

Just when it looked like a cakewalk for the 26-year-old from Lahore, Amritraj fed off the massive crowd support to bounce back in the third set. Qureshi served a double fault to hand over the sixth game and Amritraj consolidated the break to go up 5-2.

The Indian youngster hung in by the thread, moved Qureshi round the court and got his volleys working to win the set 6-3.

The players traded breaks in the first couple of games in the fourth set. Qureshi hit a cracking return winner to break Amritraj in the second game as well and go 3-1 into the lead. After the first point in the next game Qureshi went down with cramps and took a medical break.

The heat and humidity in Mumbai was draining for both the players as the Indian camp also tended to Amritraj meticulously. Amritraj had suffered from cramps in his first singles encounter against Aqeel Khan.

But Qureshi came out after the break stronger and broke Amritraj in the eighth game. When Amritraj slammed the ball into the net at match-point, Qureshi went down on his knees, kissed the ground and broke into tears in triumph.

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Re: Congratulations!!! Leander Paes
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2006, 07:43:51 PM »
Whota Player. Salute Leander Paes.....
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Re: Congratulations!!! Leander Paes
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2006, 08:09:32 PM »
yeah...he played brilliantly...i heard from ppl watching, despting being immobile almost in 3rd set, he was matching khan point for point, solely with his drop shots from the baseline. then 4th set he let go on purpose, to tire aqeel and also to get some rest. by 5th he had gotten rid of some cramps...and wooooooo
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« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2006, 08:14:24 PM »
Brilliant-- so happy we squeaked this out, but should not miss the bigger picture-- those in charge of Indian tennis need to have a long hard look at themselves and the situation we find ourselves in.  Our team is nothing short of pathetic when we are battling to avoid relegation into the second tier of the Asian countries; when we can just barely beat Pakistan at home (thank God we won the coin flip for home court advantage, otherwise the story, I'm sure, would have been very different in Pakistan).  Wake up and smell the coffee, those in charge-- Paes can only carry us for so long-- he needs help, and if the others (Bopanna and Amritraj) continue to disappoint time and again, it is time we bite the bullet and try to bring in some of the raw but talented youngsters like Karan Rastogi.  I've really had enough of medicrity and want to get back into the World Group of the top 16, where we ought to be.  We also need to make a serious bid to attract some of the American boys of Indian descent into the Indian Davis Cup side.  Rajeev Ram, a player with top 100 potential for sure, ought to be sought after and enticed to come play.
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Re: Congratulations!!! Leander Paes
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2006, 08:37:36 PM »
Brilliant-- so happy we squeaked this out, but should not miss the bigger picture-- those in charge of Indian tennis need to have a long hard look at themselves and the situation we find ourselves in.  Our team is nothing short of pathetic when we are battling to avoid relegation into the second tier of the Asian countries; when we can just barely beat Pakistan at home (thank God we won the coin flip for home court advantage, otherwise the story, I'm sure, would have been very different in Pakistan).  Wake up and smell the coffee, those in charge-- Paes can only carry us for so long-- he needs help, and if the others (Bopanna and Amritraj) continue to disappoint time and again, it is time we bite the bullet and try to bring in some of the raw but talented youngsters like Karan Rastogi.  I've really had enough of medicrity and want to get back into the World Group of the top 16, where we ought to be.  We also need to make a serious bid to attract some of the American boys of Indian descent into the Indian Davis Cup side.  Rajeev Ram, a player with top 100 potential for sure, ought to be sought after and enticed to come play.

I don't know what is it with Indian tennis. We seem to be getting quality players only every 20 years. As a result, people like the Amritrajs, Krishnan, and now Paes has to play till their mid thirties. Amritraj-Krishnan were to be replaced by Zeeshan Ali, but he flopped. We had to wait for Paes and the next batch. Now it seems we have to wait for the next crop after Harsh Mankad, Prakash Amritraj etc.
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Re: Congratulations!!! Leander Paes
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2006, 09:12:47 PM »
Nice article on Paes:

http://www.hindu.com/2006/04/10/stories/2006041006511900.htm


Play it again, Paes

Sport is mostly trival pursuit. It is men such as Leander Paes and Steve Waugh who elevate it, writes Nirmal Shekhar 




Sixteen years ago, on a windy morning in Melbourne, as noisy passenger and cargo trains drowned out the calls made by a rather soft-spoken chair umpire in an `outback' court at Flinders Park, an Indian spectator — one of two in attendance — turned to his companion and said, "`The kid has it, doesn't he?'' The man sitting next to him nodded, and smiled.

We — Rohit Brijnath, familiar to most readers of these columns, and I — knew on that bright January morning that we were witness to something special. Leander Adrian Paes, all of 16 years old, was playing one of the highest ranked junior stars of those days — Jan Kodes Jr., son of the 1973 Wimbledon champion Jan Kodes — and dominating the Czech teenager with his sheer strength of will in the Australian Open.

A pair of hardened sports writers sat on seat-edge and heralded the arrival of a special champion on that day not because Leander's shotmaking skills were extraordinary; they did so because few

Indian sportsmen, and perhaps no Indian tennis player before him, had displayed the raw fighting skills that Leander showcased when the chips were down.

Since that unforgettable day in Melbourne, through everything that has happened in Indian sport — from the highs of the Tendulkars and the Anands and Dravids — one little thing has remained unchanged. When it comes to spilling his guts in the cause of the nation, one man has stood head and shoulders above the rest — Leander Paes.

A yardstick


This is precisely why Leander transcends sport — _ he is much more than a tennis champion, or even an athletic achiever. As an Indian, Leander is a yardstick. You measure every other champion of the era against Leander when it comes to commitment to the country's cause. Even our admirable, upstanding cricket captain Rahul Dravid — who comes closest — for instance. And this is no insult to the man from Bangalore. It is, in fact, a tribute.

Watching Leander fight cramps, and a little-known Pakistani opponent, in the decisive fifth rubber on Sunday, a question suddenly popped up in my mind yet again. Has winning for the country ever meant so much to any other athlete in the entire history of sport in India? Has it ever meant as much to anyone as it does to Leander?

Not for a moment would any sane Indian ever question the patriotic zeal of several sporting icons who have brought off great victories for India. Nobody in his right mind would ever say that these sportspersons gave anything less than 100 per cent each time they turned out for the country. Yet, the question remains. Would the odd failure when playing for the country have shattered their hearts as devastatingly as it happens each time Leander fails to win a crucial rubber for India in the Davis Cup?

Pride and commitment


In the pantheon of Indian sport, the Gavaskars, Tendulkars, Krishnans and Anands may demand — and deserve too — more prominent places than Leander, but no man who has ever played for India can claim to have done so with greater pride and commitment and with a bigger heart than India's Davis Cup hero. This is a fact that is underlined every single time that Leander turns himself into a virtual one-man army on the Davis Cup stage.

Money doesn't move Leander, emotions do. As a product of the I-Me generation, Leander is very much an outsider. The biggest source of his motivation is not the same as it might be for the average champion of his generation. This is precisely why he seems to be able to climb on some invisible ladder to achieve an impressive altitude when playing for the country.

In the context of what Leander pulled off in Mumbai on Sunday, it's all very well to talk about an opponent being a push-over. But, then, it still takes someone who is brave enough, and strong-willed enough, to do the pushing. And, in Indian sport, not the least in Indian tennis, when push comes to shove, more often than not, many of our champions move over rather than come forward courageously to author the final act.

Say all you want about dazzling skills, celebrate all you want the gifts of an array of superstars in the sport of your choice. But give me an ageing, hobbled, down-and-out Leander any day — with the scores tied two sets apiece in the fifth rubber of a Davis Cup tie.

This writer has found only one thing equally soul-lifting in sport: Steve Waugh walking in to bat for Australia with his team staring down the barrel, four down for 49. Sport is mostly trivial pursuit.

Some moments, rarely, go beyond its defined boundaries. Mostly it is men such as Leander and Waugh who author those special moments that elevate sport.
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Re: Congratulations!!! Leander Paes
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2006, 09:13:51 PM »
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« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2006, 09:16:40 PM »
NOW THAT IS WHAT I CALL TAKING PRIDE IN PLAYING FOR YOUR COUNTRY!  THANK YOU LEANDER PAES, FOR MAKING MY DAY!
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« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2006, 09:17:27 PM »
This is what it's about, baby


 Carrying a nation: It was a big gamble Leander Paes took. But he eventually led India to victory in the Davis Cup tie against Pakistan on Sunday



congrats, leander, and thank you for carrying the flag high and proud
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« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2006, 09:18:30 PM »
Hats off to a hero! May the cricket team get further inspired by this marvellous fight from Leander.
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« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2006, 09:45:29 PM »
I remember Ramesh Krishnan did something similar vs. France I think - early 90s. Sahir/Dexy can provide details maybe. That was an proud moment for us. Ramesh played unbelievably in that match. The sheer passion and pride of playing for your country was quite evident. These guys - Ramesh, Vijay and Leander have made us proud many a time. Salute all of them. I don't know if anyone takes so much pride in playing for their country as much as these 3 guys.

I hope the Indian team is shown the video of this Leander Paes match again and again and again till they get bored of it. No need Sandy Gordon or any of that crap. If this match won't inspire our cricketers to ensure that there is no repeat of Karachi/Mumbai/Bangalore etc. etc. etc., then nothing will. After this, if they get out to a rash shot, suspend them for 10 games. Let them learn what it is to play for your country the hard way. It just pisses me off and irks me that when guys like Leander is prepared to die on the tennis court for India, our "esteemed" cricketers just throw in the towel !!!!!!
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« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2006, 11:04:35 PM »
He might not match the best in the world in terms of skill or power, but gumption and the will to fight he is got loads of it, more so when we represents India. What a wonderful wonderful player.
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« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2006, 12:04:43 AM »
Congrats to Leander.
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« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2006, 12:30:17 AM »
I remember Ramesh Krishnan did something similar vs. France I think - early 90s. Sahir/Dexy can provide details maybe. That was an proud moment for us. Ramesh played unbelievably in that match. The sheer passion and pride of playing for your country was quite evident. These guys - Ramesh, Vijay and Leander have made us proud many a time. Salute all of them. I don't know if anyone takes so much pride in playing for their country as much as these 3 guys.

I hope the Indian team is shown the video of this Leander Paes match again and again and again till they get bored of it. No need Sandy Gordon or any of that crap. If this match won't inspire our cricketers to ensure that there is no repeat of Karachi/Mumbai/Bangalore etc. etc. etc., then nothing will. After this, if they get out to a rash shot, suspend them for 10 games. Let them learn what it is to play for your country the hard way. It just pisses me off and irks me that when guys like Leander is prepared to die on the tennis court for India, our "esteemed" cricketers just throw in the towel !!!!!!

Ramesh did exactly what his father did in the mid sixties. Ramanathan Krishnan was 2 sets and 4 match points down in the third set against Robert Koch. He then proceeded to win 9 games in a row, taking the set and the next two sets to win the match. The match of course, was also the fifth of the rubber. Unbelievable stuff. My dad saw it in the Calcutta South Club.
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« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2006, 12:36:34 AM »
I remember Ramesh Krishnan did something similar vs. France I think - early 90s. Sahir/Dexy can provide details maybe. That was an proud moment for us. Ramesh played unbelievably in that match. The sheer passion and pride of playing for your country was quite evident. These guys - Ramesh, Vijay and Leander have made us proud many a time. Salute all of them. I don't know if anyone takes so much pride in playing for their country as much as these 3 guys.

I hope the Indian team is shown the video of this Leander Paes match again and again and again till they get bored of it. No need Sandy Gordon or any of that crap. If this match won't inspire our cricketers to ensure that there is no repeat of Karachi/Mumbai/Bangalore etc. etc. etc., then nothing will. After this, if they get out to a rash shot, suspend them for 10 games. Let them learn what it is to play for your country the hard way. It just pisses me off and irks me that when guys like Leander is prepared to die on the tennis court for India, our "esteemed" cricketers just throw in the towel !!!!!!

Kix,
Agree 100%
This time ur  stmt echoes my sentiments eggjacktly.
I find in the past when i suggested strong repercussion for rash shots, u may not have fully agreed (in situations like u mentioned above). But great u agree now.
Yes, rash shots in situations without fighting, and our ESTEEMED cricketers must be penalised.

Throw a 10 game ban - no one is indispensable, not MSD for the crappy shot at Mumbai, not RD, not IP.
Rash and thoughtless stuff, shud be dealt severely.
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« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2006, 01:04:17 AM »
fineleg :

I think we differ/disagree on our interpretation of rash shots. We agree that rash shots should not tolerated at any cost. I am refering to the shots by MSD, Yuvi, Bhajji in Mumbai test, Mongia in Chennai test, tail in Chennai test, Ramesh in WC99 vs. Zim, the tail in Jamaica in 2002, the "shake hands in mid pitch" by Raju and Srinath in WC92 vs. Aus to name a few. I still opine that SRT should have finished off the match in Chennai even if he had to die on the field (he could've got a runner, even though he doesen't like one). But thatz for another day. I guess, you just a little more strict/harsh on your definition of rash shots ;)
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« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2006, 05:00:04 AM »
guys, i dont want to sound cynical or anything ... but let us put the win in perspective ... leander beat Aqeel Khan, not some top 100 player ... i saw the whole match and the quality of tennis was absolutely pathetic!! Leander is a great athlete, a lot of heart, but if he can beat a guy of Aqeel's capability only over 5 sets, then we've got to accept the fact that he is not good enough any longer as a singles player. In fact, Leander put a lot of pressure on his own team by his needless statement before the match that "Pakistan is just a  one-man squad with only Quereshi to be worried about"

Dont get me wrong, I think Leander has done a lot of great things for India and the heart that he shows is admirable. HE IS ONE OF THE GREAT INDIAN SPORTSMEN .. NO DOUBT.

But pulling off a 5 set victory over a player ranked outside the top 400 or 500 in the world is not something to celebrate - cramps or no cramps. After all, the conditions are similar for both players. This is not how I would like to remember Leander. This was not a great performance; this was a pale shadow of what he was. We do not rate Sachin's century against Kenya in the World Cup after his dad's death as a great innings, do we?. We do not rate his century against Bangladesh after he came back from injury as a great effort, do we? We do not even rate his 35th century against SL after he came back from injury as a great effort, do we? Rightly so, as the quality of opposition is important while deciding whether a performance is good or great. And to my mind, we throw about the term "great" too frequently - not just in tennis, even in cricket, even in most other areas. There was some real great spirit on view yesterday in the sports field – Bangladesh’s performance against the NO. 1 test side in the world – no one got cramps, no one was overtly fatigued, but they performed brilliantly against very formidable opponents. After all, the quality of the opponent does have something to do with your own performance as well.

The real surprise is that not much is being said about Aqeel at all – the guy who was up against a Davis Cup legend, a top 10 doubles player – who came back from two sets down to take the match the full distance. Imagine, had he been an Indian, we would have been singing his praises no end – for having stretched a great player.

Net net, to my mind, Pakistan has taken away a lot more out of this tie than India, despite all the words of bravado from the Indian camp at the beginning of the tie. I think Sahir hit the nail on the head, when he said that it is time to wake up and smell the coffee. Indian tennis (barring Sania) is going nowhere, at the moment.
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« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2006, 05:18:27 AM »
keep-it-cool,
That is a very good post.  What I think people are really crediting is not necessarily the skill Paes displayed in beating a player not just ranked outside the top 400, but outside the top 1400, rather commending the heart he displayed in a difficuly situation to just barely save India some serious embarassment.  I have no doubt in my mind that if this tie was played in Pakistan, we would probably have been thumped 4-1.  So, our success against Pakistan in Davis Cup depended on the flip of a coin this time?  Next time, we will have to travel to Pakistan-- what then?  If I'm Pakistan, I'm licking my lips at the opportunity of playing India in Pakistan.  Qureshi is still going to be there and only getting better.  Neither of our players was even able to really push him at home.  There needs to be some serious introspection in Indian tennis.  How can we not even produce a top 200 singles player?  Bhupathi and Paes could very well be gone within 2 years, leaving Indian tennis in absolute shambles.  The success of Paes and Bhupathi ought to have inspired another generation, but we see mediocre youngsters being trotted out.  Mind you, the #1 singles player, Prakash Amritraj, is actually born and raised in the US!  So what exactly is going on with tennis in India?  We seem to be regressing at an alarming rate.  I'm not sure exactly where the problem lies, but there is a definite problem.  In the short term, as I mentioned earlier, it might be a smart idea to continue to search for the US-based players of Indian origin, of which there are quite a few, some of which, like Rajeev Ram, have much more potential than Amritraj and Bopanna.  I know Karan Rastogi is a very highly ranked junior tennis player, yet we do not see him with the setup.  I realize he may not be quite good enough just yet, but Amritraj and Bopanna are losing pretty much everything anyways, so why not try and get Rastogi some invaluable experience?  I hope Sania's success, both professional and moreso commercial, can inspire some young boys to take up the game as well.  If not, the day may not be far when Sania Mirza is forced to represent us in the Davis Cup (tongue in cheek, for now, that is).
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« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2006, 05:19:08 AM »
I'm not sure if you have played tennis but switching between doubles and singles is not an easy task. That Paes had to do so shows a lot about the quality of Indian tennis. RB has won only two matches in DC, the last one a few years back. Qureshi is also ranked around 400+ in the world and was woefully out of form for past twelve months (both PA and RB are ranked in 200s) but still beat the two comfortably. Paes' victory has to be taken in context, in the past twelve months he has played 1 or 2 singles matches, so to beat anyone who plays singles regularly is sort of a big deal. The problem is unlike Amritraj, Krishnan, Paes (and even Bhupathi for a few years when he was playing singles) we were almost always going to beat players ranked outside top-100 and had a fair chance even against top-100 players. In fact, other than Australia, US, and Sweden, India was able to compete with any nation in the Davis Cup. Those days are clearly gone. We have to lower expectations. Paes is not the player he once was (in singles, anyway--doubles, still #2 with Damm) but even with little practice is ahead of PA and RB.
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« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2006, 05:22:56 AM »
In fact, other than Australia, US, and Sweden, India was able to compete with any nation in the Davis Cup. Those days are clearly gone. We have to lower expectations. Paes is not the player he once was (in singles, anyway--doubles, still #2 with Damm) but even with little practice is ahead of PA and RB.

But that is the sad state of affairs in Indian tennis that has many of us concerned.  This victory really ought to sound plenty of alarm bells for us.
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« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2006, 05:26:56 AM »
Not sure, how much is true ... but is not something that should be ignored totally ...

Woeful lack of support for youngsters in Davis Cup
By Bruno Goveas, Mumbai: When Indian Davis Cup captain Leander Paes was asked the reason for India's failure to enter the tournament's World Group, he answered in a flash: "Lack of depth in the singles." He was only stating the obvious but his answer raises questions about youngsters not being blooded early enough.

Paes, himself, was drafted into the Davis Cup team when still in his teens and has stated time and again that it was that experience which helped him become a player he is today.

A glaring example of resentment among young players is Harsh Mankad. Unhappy over the treatment meted out to him, Mankad vowed never to make himself available for the Davis Cup again.

A few days before the tie in Mumbai, he was quoted on a tournament website in the US as saying that the Indian captain and coach had collectively conspired to keep him out of the Davis Cup team.

It is hard to determine the role of coach Nandan Bal and Paes, but Mankad's words are difficult to ignore.

While trying to sound sympathetic, Paes, with his comments, appeared as one who was belittling the efforts of Prakash Amritraj and Rohan Bopanna.

"Bopanna has the serve, the volley and the power to match the best but has to believe mentally that he can go the distance. That is the difference between a champion and the rest," Paes said.

Former Davis Cup player Jaideep Mukherjea is of the opinion that it's high time Paes allowed the two singles players to make their presence felt in the team.

"Paes should allow Bopanna to play the last singles, which will be a tremendous test of the player's character," said Mukherjea.

He added that Paes had become a more complete player thanks to being put into such situations and it was necessary he gave other players the same chances.

Another former Davis Cupper, refusing to be named, is of the opinion that it would be better for the future of the Indian team if they lost this tie to Pakistan. The loss would force the All India Tennis Association to sit up and think seriously of building a new team from scratch.
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« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2006, 05:34:33 AM »

Former Davis Cup player Jaideep Mukherjea is of the opinion that it's high time Paes allowed the two singles players to make their presence felt in the team.

"Paes should allow Bopanna to play the last singles, which will be a tremendous test of the player's character," said Mukherjea.

He added that Paes had become a more complete player thanks to being put into such situations and it was necessary he gave other players the same chances.


I cannot agree with these statements at all.  I do agree with putting youngsters in pressure situations to find out what they are made of, but only if they display some of the guts and desire to earn that opportunity.  You don't get it, if like Bopanna, you continue to severely underperform and get accused of lazy tennis.  That is not the type of player I want in a tie decider.  In fact, that is not the type of player I want in my side, period.  Harsh Mankad's absence, is baffling to me as well.  I mentioned this several times earlier, as well as the gaffe of selecting grass as the surface, which I think proved to be a huge error, considering how close the tie was.  It's not the first time we have chosen the wrong surface.  It really is not rocket science, yet we continue to make elementary mistakes that are extremely frustrating to say the least.
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« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2006, 05:37:04 AM »
I'm not sure if you have played tennis but switching between doubles and singles is not an easy task. That Paes had to do so shows a lot about the quality of Indian tennis. RB has won only two matches in DC, the last one a few years back. Qureshi is also ranked around 400+ in the world and was woefully out of form for past twelve months (both PA and RB are ranked in 200s) but still beat the two comfortably. Paes' victory has to be taken in context, in the past twelve months he has played 1 or 2 singles matches, so to beat anyone who plays singles regularly is sort of a big deal. The problem is unlike Amritraj, Krishnan, Paes (and even Bhupathi for a few years when he was playing singles) we were almost always going to beat players ranked outside top-100 and had a fair chance even against top-100 players. In fact, other than Australia, US, and Sweden, India was able to compete with any nation in the Davis Cup. Those days are clearly gone. We have to lower expectations. Paes is not the player he once was (in singles, anyway--doubles, still #2 with Damm) but even with little practice is ahead of PA and RB.

precisely dex, we need to lower the bar ... and we will never do that unless we stop using terms like "great" and "brilliant" for a 5 set victory over a 1400 ranked player ... this will always keep us away from reality. I mean, one can celebrate great spirit and heart to an extent ... but beyond that one really needs to question whether Leander should have played the match at all. If winning was so critical, why did he not play a single singles match against the Swedes some time ago? Surely, RB and PA were not much better players at that time!!

If Leander intends to remain a specialist doubles player, then the best interest of Indian tennis was in letting RB play Aqeel Khan and face the music. After all, he is also ranked above Aqeel and would have entered the match as favourite ... and if he had won, would have been a much better player confidence wise. Just playing him against really superior opponets, where his chances of winning are even lower, would only shatter his confidence .. wouldn't it? I mean this really goes against all grains of common sense - experiment with youngsters against stronger teams and fall back on temporary fixes against the minnows!!
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« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2006, 05:38:42 AM »

Former Davis Cup player Jaideep Mukherjea is of the opinion that it's high time Paes allowed the two singles players to make their presence felt in the team.

"Paes should allow Bopanna to play the last singles, which will be a tremendous test of the player's character," said Mukherjea.

He added that Paes had become a more complete player thanks to being put into such situations and it was necessary he gave other players the same chances.


I cannot agree with these statements at all.  I do agree with putting youngsters in pressure situations to find out what they are made of, but only if they display some of the guts and desire to earn that opportunity.  You don't get it, if like Bopanna, you continue to severely underperform and get accused of lazy tennis.  That is not the type of player I want in a tie decider.  In fact, that is not the type of player I want in my side, period.  Harsh Mankad's absence, is baffling to me as well.  I mentioned this several times earlier, as well as the gaffe of selecting grass as the surface, which I think proved to be a huge error, considering how close the tie was.  It's not the first time we have chosen the wrong surface.  It really is not rocket science, yet we continue to make elementary mistakes that are extremely frustrating to say the least.

Sahir, on playing RB ... once we have selected him ahead of others, he needs to play ... either perform or face the consequences. Shielding him from pressure situations and hoping he will come good one day is a much riskier approach.
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« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2006, 05:44:31 AM »
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That's why I say get rid of Bopanna all together (I'm glad he did not play the last match because I think he could never play singles).  I've seen enough of him in the Davis Cup.  For mine, it's time to try out some new youngsters.  Karan Rastogi should top that list...Not sure what happened to Mankad, but I trust him a lot more than PA and RB in singles.
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Re: Congratulations!!! Leander Paes
« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2006, 05:50:20 AM »
I agree, Sahir. If he is not considered good enough to play someone ranked more than 1200 places below him - pressure or no pressure - at what should be his prime, the he should not be there at all. It is really strange how almost all of our sports have some controversy (or should I say, unexplainable happenings) or the other cropping up.
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« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2006, 05:52:01 AM »
I agree, Sahir. If he is not considered good enough to play someone ranked more than 1200 places below him - pressure or no pressure - at what should be his prime, the he should not be there at all. It is really strange how almost all of our sports have some controversy (or should I say, unexplainable happenings) or the other cropping up.

One word - politics.
Another word - corruption. Actually the first word is superset of the second, so just politics is enough.
That causes really meritorious people to be ignored. All sports, all walks of life. Sad.

We need people to recognize that only truly deserving people can take the country forward.
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« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2006, 06:00:28 AM »
I remember Ramesh Krishnan did something similar vs. France I think - early 90s. Sahir/Dexy can provide details maybe. That was an proud moment for us. Ramesh played unbelievably in that match. The sheer passion and pride of playing for your country was quite evident. These guys - Ramesh, Vijay and Leander have made us proud many a time. Salute all of them. I don't know if anyone takes so much pride in playing for their country as much as these 3 guys.

I hope the Indian team is shown the video of this Leander Paes match again and again and again till they get bored of it. No need Sandy Gordon or any of that crap. If this match won't inspire our cricketers to ensure that there is no repeat of Karachi/Mumbai/Bangalore etc. etc. etc., then nothing will. After this, if they get out to a rash shot, suspend them for 10 games. Let them learn what it is to play for your country the hard way. It just pisses me off and irks me that when guys like Leander is prepared to die on the tennis court for India, our "esteemed" cricketers just throw in the towel !!!!!!

Ramesh did exactly what his father did in the mid sixties. Ramanathan Krishnan was 2 sets and 4 match points down in the third set against Robert Koch. He then proceeded to win 9 games in a row, taking the set and the next two sets to win the match. The match of course, was also the fifth of the rubber. Unbelievable stuff. My dad saw it in the Calcutta South Club.

I remember the France match...as I saw it live on TV. Also, Leander played an equally important 4th match in that series to win against fancied Arnaud Beustch. Ramesh outplayed Rudolph Gilbert on clay court and a setting absolutely perfect for France. The marathon match continued on the next day. But young Gilbert succumbed to Ramesh's touch play wizzardry and lost his stamina.
This happens normally when you face a highly skilled opponent. It taxes your stamina. A similar thing happenned in the last Football World Cup where Brazil outplayed Germany. That was a battle between skill and stamina.
Basic skill carries you further than just plain stamina.
My congratulations to Lee...for the well earned victory!
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« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2006, 11:00:53 AM »
no more dc ties this year  :( ... next year's possible draw:

Chinese Taipei (W R1)
Japan (W R1)
Korea or Bye (W R2)
Thailand or Bye (W R2)
India (W PO1)
Uzbekistan (W PO1)
Pakistan or China (W PO2)
Khazakstan or Indonesia (W GroupII)

will find out around october i believe.
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« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2006, 02:32:16 PM »
Never thought we would have a this close Tennis matches with Pakistan.
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« Reply #30 on: April 10, 2006, 02:41:00 PM »
A paes match live can really compare to a thrilling ODI any day. The energy and passion he brings for his Davis Cup matches is simply amazing..anyone watching him even non-Indians become his fans for the sheer sporting competitive spirit he bring to the ground. Truly great...I remember some of his matches with some really high ranked Swiss players back in 90s.
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« Reply #31 on: April 10, 2006, 03:40:52 PM »
Yup. Hadnt seen this kind of Paes match for a long time tho ... not that I "saw" it this time ... but read about it. This was a very frequent occurence up until 4-5 years ago. Brilliant. But at the same time does not speak too highly of Indian tennis if we are to go to 2-2 against Pakistan.
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« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2006, 07:23:16 PM »
no more dc ties this year  :( ... next year's possible draw:

Chinese Taipei (W R1)
Japan (W R1)
Korea or Bye (W R2)
Thailand or Bye (W R2)
India (W PO1)
Uzbekistan (W PO1)
Pakistan or China (W PO2)
Khazakstan or Indonesia (W GroupII)

will find out around october i believe.

I don't think we really stand any chance against almost any of these sides if we play away (on hardcourt or, worse yet, clay).  The only ones we can win is if we play at home.  Unfortunately, the team clearly seems headed in the wrong direction.  I cannot see us getting back into the World Group for several years to come.
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« Reply #33 on: April 12, 2006, 04:40:44 AM »
Actually Sahir, ROhan Bopanna is on record saying that playing on grass makes it difficult for the players .. since they play the whole year on hard courts and only around 2-3 matches on grass
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« Reply #34 on: April 12, 2006, 04:53:43 PM »
Actually Sahir, ROhan Bopanna is on record saying that playing on grass makes it difficult for the players .. since they play the whole year on hard courts and only around 2-3 matches on grass

Well-- that's the case for most players.  There are very few tournaments played on grass.  It really is about style of play-- serve and volleyers will generally play better on grass.  However, I agree with you that we are too quick to blindly choose grass without taking into account the opponents' strengths and weaknesses, something I have complained about for a while.
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