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[poondu]

Well said Sahir. Applause

[toney]

>>Do you have doubt about that? just check how many teams from Indian have reached WC finals, Or drew a series in land of mighty Aussies or how many had balls to win a game in pakistan. Oh also do check where Indian cricket was before SG took over.

You mean, after defeating SL, Kenya (twice), Namibia, Holland (by the skin of their teeth). Good job. And the matches against a full strength Aussie team are there for all too see.
And drew a series against 1/2 strength Aus. What works for Eng works for Aus too.

Let me correct that: 1/4 strength Aussie team

And please note: I am one of those who rejoiced when India under SG reached the finals. I am one of those who still supports his decision to field first in the finals. I am one of those who couldnt smile or have a good time for more than a week after the loss. Every loss affects me, as it does (hopefully) everyone of you. But if such naive arguments as 1/2 strength Poms is used, it should apply everywhere.

For god's sake, learn to rejoice. It is the team representing your country after all. There are faults and there is no harm discussing them. But that is not the same as rubbishing this achievement.

[devatha]

Sahir

The people are in happy mood after the series win. They are just enjoying.

[dextrous]

>>Do you have doubt about that? just check how many teams from Indian have reached WC finals, Or drew a series in land of mighty Aussies or how many had balls to win a game in pakistan. Oh also do check where Indian cricket was before SG took over.

You mean, after defeating SL, Kenya (twice), Namibia, Holland (by the skin of their teeth). Good job. And the matches against a full strength Aussie team are there for all too see.
And drew a series against 1/2 strength Aus. What works for Eng works for Aus too.

Let me correct that: 1/4 strength Aussie team

Are you now undermining our WC perfomance? That we beat everyone except Australia is a bad thing? Expected better from you, Toney!

[flute202020]

Guys, guys, why are we fighting over this?  For some reason, each side (and supposedly you have to be on one or the other; Chappell v. Ganguly; each side for the most part labeling the other as evil) feels the need to rub in victories or losses into the others faces.  Am I the only one that thinks that is a little petty?  Flute is right in that it is a very good accomplishment-- we are playing some very good ODI cricket overall right now, BUT bouncer also has a point that we still need to perform well in ODIs outside the subcontinent (the WI will be the first opportunity to do so).  However, even winning in the subcontinent, 4 times in a row against a very strong Pakistani side, as they once again proved by anhilating Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka, and then beating an admittedly understrength English side (really only Trescothick is the player they desperately miss in the ODIs; Vaughn has a horrendous ODI record and may actually never play ODI cricket again, Giles' ODI record is no great shakes, and yeah...they do miss Harmison to an extent, although he is yet to really perform well in the subcontinent.) 4 times in a row is quite an accomplishment.  It is not that we weren't favored to win the series, but that this sort of consistency in ODI cricket is generally not associated with Indian cricket, even at home.  We almost never used to beat any team 4 times in a row in a series.  We've managed to lose several matches to Zimbabwe, one to Bangladesh, and a couple to Kenya.  That is nothing new-- we've always had those moments of compalcency and inconsistent performances, losing matches we had no right losing, but what I like is that it seems the team comes prepared to give the same effort whether the scoreline is 0-0 or if it is 3-0.  I hope we continue to show the same intensity in the so-called "dead rubbers," because it is really easy to lose focus and intensity, but that is not the sign of a professional side trying to become the best.  We need to finish off the series emphatically, winning by at least a 6-1 margin, much like we did against Sri Lanka.  And not playing some of the stars should not be an excuse...others need to step up and fill the void.  Basically, it is a very good achievement to win consistently at home, but it would be a mistake for any of the players and fans to simply bask in the glory.  Imran Khan recently said during "Straight Drive" following the Indians defeating the Pakistanis that the truly great teams analyze their victories for faults.  I could not agree more.  That is constructive criticism I am talking about-- not just bashing.  We need to look at the aspects where we can continually improve our game and there is no doubt that right now, the biggest gaping hole performance-wise is the openers slots.  Dravid has filled in admirably, but I do not think that is a long-term solution.  Sehwag is clearly a huge worry and so is the extremely poor form of Mohammad Kaif-- certainly both Venugopal Rao and Robin Uthappa have to get their opportunities to stake their claims now.  The only other slight worry I see is that of the support pacers for Pathan, but unlike with the out of form batsmen, I don't see as many trouble signs there.  I think it might be time to get RPS back in for a couple of games.

well said Sahir, but atleast on my part, the attempt is not to rub into anybody. I simply wanted to highlight the fact we broke the world record thats all..

[toney]

Are you now undermining our WC perfomance? That we beat everyone except Australia is a bad thing? Expected better from you, Toney!

Not at all. I added something to the above post. Read that and you'll understand the logic.

[dextrous]

Good one Sahir. Flute: yeazzz questioning patriotism when unable to argue smacks of just friendly celebrations

[flute202020]

Good one Sahir. Flute: yeazzz questioning patriotism when unable to argue smacks of just friendly celebrations

what's there to argue dude, when all you have is a blind love for your hero? your love for your hero blinded you to India's success. come out of it, and you will see how well ODI team is doing. Of course Eng. is a depleted team and we have to check our problems with pacers, top order etc. Of course we will have bigger tests outside India, which I mentioned in my other thread. In fact, we may not be able to beat a full strength Eng team in Eng. if our bowlers do not join the party.

But the thread is to applaud athe team for  being able to sustain the performance for a period and set team records, that is indeed positive and there can be no second opinions about it, unless you just plain refuse to see reason.

[ramshorns]

Not getting into debates today, I want to congratulate the TEAM INDIA, for their stupendous run. 

Sahir's post above covers some of the concerns I have but again winning is the most important thing and in ODI's we are doing very good.   

Now only I wish they can carry it to WI as well.

[gouravk]

YES. COngratulations to Team India. COngratulations Rahul Dravid.

[j]

Not getting into debates today, I want to congratulate the TEAM INDIA, for their stupendous run. 

Sahir's post above covers some of the concerns I have but again winning is the most important thing and in ODI's we are doing very good.   

Now only I wish they can carry it to WI as well.

Agreed. I also agree with Dex and Bouncer that we have to win in Eng,Aus and SA to be real champions. But then as we all agree this is time to celebrate. From being tagged as chockers for loosing finals continously, we are in a position of winning the last 3-4 ODI series even before final is played.

On the other hand, to be very honest, I expected this English side to put up better show. Even Bangaladesh would have done better. There are clearly areas where Aus and SA would inhale us outside sub continent. I am expecting huge drubbing in SA in ODI's and comfortable win in WI. I dont think our batting is good enough to win us ODI's in SA>

[gouravk]

WHat does real champions mean ?

[fineleg]

Congratulations, Team India - you have done us proud by breaking a World Record held by the Mighty Carribeans. Best Wishes.

[j]

WHat does real champions mean ?

Australia. Hey just annihilated SA 3-0 in SA. Though they lost the ODI seires marginally, they have been beating everyone left right and center. If there is any team you can bet on winning any surface, it is them.

[toney]

I am expecting huge drubbing in SA in ODI's and comfortable win in WI.

I agree on the former. I am not so sure about the latter. WI have some good batsmen. Chris Gayle, Sarwan all seem to like our attack a lot.

[devatha]

I am expecting huge drubbing in SA in ODI's and comfortable win in WI.

I agree on the former. I am not so sure about the latter. WI have some good batsmen. Chris Gayle, Sarwan all seem to like our attack a lot.

WI tour is the right chance for Chanderpaul to come back to very good form.

[bouncer]

Of course Eng. is a depleted team and we have to check our problems with pacers, top order etc. Of course we will have bigger tests outside India, which I mentioned in my other thread. In fact, we may not be able to beat a full strength Eng team in Eng. if our bowlers do not join the party.

So a restrained and cautious celebration is all we should have at this point....

[j]

Of course Eng. is a depleted team and we have to check our problems with pacers, top order etc. Of course we will have bigger tests outside India, which I mentioned in my other thread. In fact, we may not be able to beat a full strength Eng team in Eng. if our bowlers do not join the party.

So a restrained and cautious celebration is all we should have at this point....

This is like "Mann me haske dikhao" from Shool

[toney]

Of course Eng. is a depleted team and we have to check our problems with pacers, top order etc. Of course we will have bigger tests outside India, which I mentioned in my other thread. In fact, we may not be able to beat a full strength Eng team in Eng. if our bowlers do not join the party.

So a restrained and cautious celebration is all we should have at this point....

Is anyone actually going overboard? I know I am not very popular but I think I would have been invited if flute had decided to hold a bash on his yacht.

A restrained and cautious celebration is perfect. Accepting that this team is on the right path is a start.

[flute202020]

Of course Eng. is a depleted team and we have to check our problems with pacers, top order etc. Of course we will have bigger tests outside India, which I mentioned in my other thread. In fact, we may not be able to beat a full strength Eng team in Eng. if our bowlers do not join the party.

So a restrained and cautious celebration is all we should have at this point....

Is anyone actually going overboard? I know I am not very popular but I think I would have been invited if flute had decided to hold a bash on his yacht.

A restrained and cautious celebration is perfect. Accepting that this team is on the right path is a start.

toney,  you sure will be invited for any such yacht party

[OldPal]

If you are happy today will get one more day added to your life.
India losing one match- substract one day from our Lifetime .
Let's look at stats of all those matches we watched and india WON or lost.
What is our Lifetime- Ask Yamraaj...
Still do the maths..

dont worry toomuch about the post quality .
I am happy and sleepy .. not sure what typing.

[bouncer]

you sure will be invited for any such yacht party

Fluteplayer (the modern day Pied Piper) will lead all rats to the water. You all will drown.

Just a joke guys!

[gouravk]

That reminds me Yuvraj Singh is nicknamed the Pied Piper of Punjab - I get a feeling we are going to see several nicknames for him soon just as there were for SG in his prime.

[senthilpeter]

Sahir bhai, well said. can't applaud u again