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[Blwe_torch]

Breaking News:

Azharuddin(Congress) wins Lok sabha election from Moradabad!

Also, Navjot Singh Sidhu( BJP) wins from Amritsar.

[flashpan]

He sold the prestige of the country in cricket alongside that greedy moron Jadeja , what will he sell now!! Cannot believe such traitors are allowed to contest more then winning

[12th_Man]

What was the exact crime of Azar and Jadeja(pls elaborate on match fixing) when we say they were traitors?

[12th_Man]

Md Azharuddin
Azhar has fixed matches/performances for MK and Ajay Gupta with the help of Jadeja and Mongia. He also got large sums of money, running into lakhs, from MK and Gupta Associates. He also received money through physio Ali Irani who was well aware of Azhar's activities.

Ajay Jadeja
Jadeja was close to bookies and punters, namely Uttam CHand, Rajesh Kalra, Rattan Mehta and Krishan Kumar (implicated in the Cronje case). He provided ``assessment of matches'' and passed on information to bookie Uttam Chand for money. He also met MK and offered his services for fixing matches and received money from MK at the meeting. He is also named by Azhar as one of the players who was ``with him'' in fixing matches, with Nayan Mongia.

[12th_Man]

Foreign players
Those who were introduced by Prabhakar to bookies and were either offered or paid money include: Alec Stewart, Brian Lara, Mark Waugh, Dean Jones, Hansi Cronje, Arvinda D'Silva, Arjuna Ranatunga, Martin Crowe, Salim Malik.

Asif Iqbal, former Pak captain, is close to Mumbai bookie Anil Steel and has provided information on matches and received ``gifts'' from him.

Kapil Dev
The CBI says it has found no concrete evidence to link Kapil to the scandal. Prabhakar's allegation that he was offered Rs 25 lakh by Kapil to underperform against Pakistan during the Singer Cup in Sri Lanka has not been established.

[sudzz]

In any other self respecting nation a traitor is tried and many times even meet their maker at the behest of the state, whereas in the great joke of a nation called India we elect them to office make them responsible to run the nation.....

[dextrous]

The worst part is that Azhar never apologized. At least the others (as involved as him) like Cronje stood up and took blame but the way Azhar acted (inc. stuff about being a Muslim) seemed as if there was an iota of doubt in spite of page after page of the damning  report.

[keep-it-cool]

It is a shame that criminals contest and win but is Azhar the only one? Btw I don't remember - but was he ever found guilty by any court or was it just a CBI report?

What about Navjot Sidhu (accused of murder; found guilty by the HC), Laloo (chaara scam), Ram Naik (petrol pump allotment scam), Phoolan Devi (god knows how many murders), George Fernandes (coffin scam), Arun Gawli and the umpteen other criminals? I am not even bringing in Modi and his home minister here. But the guy who stood from Kandamal in Orissa?? The reason why the BJD split from the BJP. Shibu Soren??

Btw, a very interesting snippet from L K Advani's autobiography - at the time of the Guj riots, based on information from the ground, Atal Behari Vajpayee was all set to throw out Modi in Gujarat but had to ultimately bow to pressure from the RSS and Advani himself.

[sudzz]

It is a shame that criminals contest and win but is Azhar the only one? Btw I don't remember - but was he ever found guilty by any court or was it just a CBI report?

What about Navjot Sidhu (accused of murder; found guilty by the HC), Laloo (chaara scam), Ram Naik (petrol pump allotment scam), Phoolan Devi (god knows how many murders), George Fernandes (coffin scam), Arun Gawli and the umpteen other criminals? I am not even bringing in Modi and his home minister here. But the guy who stood from Kandamal in Orissa?? The reason why the BJD split from the BJP. Shibu Soren??

Btw, a very interesting snippet from L K Advani's autobiography - at the time of the Guj riots, based on information from the ground, Atal Behari Vajpayee was all set to throw out Modi in Gujarat but had to ultimately bow to pressure from the RSS and Advani himself.

Azhar is not the first or the only one. But his treason rankles and is fresh. More importantly one never expected it from cricketers as one never did expect a army /navy or air force officer  to betray the nation for a few pieces of silver.

[dextrous]

What about Navjot Sidhu (accused of murder; found guilty by the HC), Laloo (chaara scam), Ram Naik (petrol pump allotment scam), Phoolan Devi (god knows how many murders), George Fernandes (coffin scam), Arun Gawli and the umpteen other criminals? I am not even bringing in Modi and his home minister here. But the guy who stood from Kandamal in Orissa?? The reason why the BJD split from the BJP. Shibu Soren??

Please stop spreading partyline bull* about George Fernandes, who has been cleared by every non-partisan inquiry who was hunted maniacally by Sonia and co. He's by a mile the most honest politician in this country regardless of whatever Congress will now have us believe.

[dextrous]

It is a shame that criminals contest and win but is Azhar the only one? Btw I don't remember - but was he ever found guilty by any court or was it just a CBI report?

Azhar is the only one who has literally sold out the nation; others may have done so metaphorically.

Just because he's a congress-wallah now, please don't defend him.

And if youre really not aware of what happened, please read

[keep-it-cool]

Simple question - is he an accused or has he been convicted?

[dextrous]

simple answer--

CBI had the sole authority in this instance to determine guilt, which it did.
http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2000/nov/01full.htm

Azhar's appeal to the supreme court was thrown out. As BCCI didn't file criminal charges, Azhar escaped with ban.

[sudzz]

Simple question - is he an accused or has he been convicted?

Can the betrayal of a nation covered up in semantics?

[keep-it-cool]

simple answer--

CBI had the sole authority in this instance to determine guilt, which it did.

Oh yeah? Then why is there so much fuss about the CBI giving Quatrocchi a clean chit?

The CBI can only press charges. Guilt is determined by a court of law.

http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2000/nov/01full.htm
Azhar's appeal to the supreme court was thrown out. As BCCI didn't file criminal charges, Azhar escaped with ban.

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Matchfixing-scandal-set-to-haunt-Azhar/444140/

The BCCI and the CBI did not because they had a weak case. He has not been convicted or proven guilty in a court of law. See link above (relevant portion extracted for you down here)

In 2006, the life ban on Azhar was lifted after the BCCI failed to prove him guilty in the court of law

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azharuddin

From the wiki link above:

He was allegedly involved in a match-fixing scandal but was not proven guilty in court of law.


Another extract:

http://www.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/20001026/isp26064.html

But after legal scrutiny and consultation, the CBI felt that it has a weak case to prosecute them under CRPc, IPC or PC Act. The I-T and FERA regulations alone can take care of these violations.

When the Sports Ministry insisted that the `guilty' cricketers should be prosecuted, the counter argument was if these players are acquitted by a court in case, the BCCI would not be in a position to keep them out of team. These players may then go to town now saying that they have been acquitted by the court, the BCCI has no business to keep them out of the game. This dilemma was behind the four-week delay in submitting the `fact-finding report' by the CBI to the government.

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Now, if a person does not even have charges pressed against him, it is very unfair to not allow him to lead a life - which includes a political career - when we have Dons contesting from inside jail. All the facts are there in front of the people and they can make their choice based on all information.

I would love to see a day when anyone who is tainted is shunned by the political class ..but we are a long way away from that  ...and in the meanwhile singling Azhar out when he has not even been charged, leave alone found guilty, is silly.

[dextrous]

keep-it-up

[keep-it-cool]

Simple question - is he an accused or has he been convicted?

Can the betrayal of a nation covered up in semantics?

So what do you propose? Who should decide whether a person has betrayed the nation or not? A trial by media? The BCCI? The CBI? Or the courts?

Or it can be the likes of you and me - if one is uncomfortable with such a tainted person and convinced in ones own mind about his guilt, dont vote for him.

But saying that he should not even be allowed to contest when there are no charges pending against him or any conviction is unfair under our constitution.

[dextrous]

"
In 2006, the life ban on Azhar was lifted after the BCCI failed to prove him guilty in the court of law

"

THis is the biggest load of garbage I've heard...the BCCI withdrew charges out of its newfound congress love for Azhar.

[keep-it-cool]

What about Navjot Sidhu (accused of murder; found guilty by the HC), Laloo (chaara scam), Ram Naik (petrol pump allotment scam), Phoolan Devi (god knows how many murders), George Fernandes (coffin scam), Arun Gawli and the umpteen other criminals? I am not even bringing in Modi and his home minister here. But the guy who stood from Kandamal in Orissa?? The reason why the BJD split from the BJP. Shibu Soren??

Please stop spreading partyline bull* about George Fernandes, who has been cleared by every non-partisan inquiry who was hunted maniacally by Sonia and co. He's by a mile the most honest politician in this country regardless of whatever Congress will now have us believe.

He was cleared in the Tehelka scandal (which is different from the coffin scam) for - hold your breath - lack of conclusive evidence. Else he was caught on tape along with Jaya Jaitley discussing kick backs with the sting operators. Now does this "lack of conclusive evidence" hold more weight than Azhar's "lack of conclusive evidence"? It may in your eyes and even in my eyes. But can you institute a law on those lines?

You are right. George Fernandes has only been accused. He has not been convicted or found guilty. And hence he is contesting the elections.

[keep-it-cool]

"
In 2006, the life ban on Azhar was lifted after the BCCI failed to prove him guilty in the court of law

"

THis is the biggest load of garbage I've heard...the BCCI withdrew charges out of its newfound congress love for Azhar.

Did you even read the Indian Express article? The government wanted to press charges. The CBI and BCCI felt they had a weak case and if Azhar was acquitted, there is no way he could have been kept away from cricket. Hence, they decided to not press charges.

[keep-it-cool]

keep-it-up

No answers? Should the CBI be allowed to determine guilt of a person? If so, should we close the chapter on Bofors and Quatrochchi once and for all?

[dextrous]

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2000/11/28/stories/01280003.htm

Azhar was the one who had to prove in the court of law that he wasn't guilty and he was unable to do so. BCCI, on its own, removed the ban later for political reasons.

Anything else you make up is entirely fiction and guesswork. Please stop quoting random articles that have nothing to do with the case and making strange predictions based on it.

There were two inquiries--the CBI one and the Mahadevan commission. Azhar then appealed in court and failed.

Everything else you present is bull*.

[12th_Man]

The posts I had were CBI findings. So there is no doubt that Azzu was involved.

[keep-it-cool]

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2000/11/28/stories/01280003.htm

Azhar was the one who had to prove in the court of law that he wasn't guilty and he was unable to do so. BCCI, on its own, removed the ban later for political reasons.

Anything else you make up is entirely fiction and guesswork. Please stop quoting random articles that have nothing to do with the case and making strange predictions based on it.

There were two inquiries--the CBI one and the Mahadevan commission. Azhar then appealed in court and failed.

Everything else you present is bull*.

Wow what a standard!! Now an accused has to prove that he is guilty in the court of law!!!! Super.

Incidentally the decision to not press charges was taken when the BJP was in power - sports minister Uma Bharti.

Azhar has been trying to get his name cleared - mind you, not to reverse any guilty verdict against him - in the court. But the court has rightly said that it will not get involved because no charges have been brought against him in any case.

I have provided a clear link to an article where it is clearly stated why the parties involved (BCCI and then government) DID NOT PRESS CHARGES. Can you provide me with any link to the court throwing out Azhar's plea? I would love to read the actual reason why it was.

[keep-it-cool]

The posts I had were CBI findings. So there is no doubt that Azzu was involved.

The CBI has given a clean chit to Quattrochchi in the Bofors case. So there is no doubt the Bofors scandal never happened?

[12th_Man]

The posts I had were CBI findings. So there is no doubt that Azzu was involved.

The CBI has given a clean chit to Quattrochchi in the Bofors case. So there is no doubt the Bofors scandal never happened?

Good point. All I know is i was not involved with either of them 

[dextrous]

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2000/11/28/stories/01280003.htm

Azhar was the one who had to prove in the court of law that he wasn't guilty and he was unable to do so. BCCI, on its own, removed the ban later for political reasons.

Anything else you make up is entirely fiction and guesswork. Please stop quoting random articles that have nothing to do with the case and making strange predictions based on it.

There were two inquiries--the CBI one and the Mahadevan commission. Azhar then appealed in court and failed.

Everything else you present is bull*.

Wow what a standard!! Now an accused has to prove that he is guilty in the court of law!!!! Super.

Incidentally the decision to not press charges was taken when the BJP was in power - sports minister Uma Bharti.

Azhar has been trying to get his name cleared - mind you, not to reverse any guilty verdict against him - in the court. But the court has rightly said that it will not get involved because no charges have been brought against him in any case.

I have provided a clear link to an article where it is clearly stated why the parties involved (BCCI and then government) DID NOT PRESS CHARGES. Can you provide me with any link to the court throwing out Azhar's plea? I would love to read the actual reason why it was.

YOUR ARGUMENT IS ABSOLUTELY ABSURD. NO CRIMINAL CHARGES HAVE BEEN FILED AGAINST MATCH-FIXERS ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, SO WHY THE beep WOULD BCCI PURSUE LEGAL CHARGES?

Your debate tactics simply involve dancing around the issue which are:

(A) Azhar is not guilty because no charges were filed in the court...well, no *, Sherlock. Neither did Jadeja or Prabhakar face court charges.
(B) Supreme Court did NOT overturn the ban--this is a fact. In six years between 2000 and 2006 the supreme court did NOT overturn the ban.
(C) CBI's inquiry was backed by an independent commission whose verdict even the Supreme Court didn't disagree with

And no, Azhar cannot clear his name because he's a beeping cheat backed by people like you.

[CLR James]

What is interesting is that Kapil campaigned for Azhar.

http://telegraphindia.com/1090518/jsp/sports/story_10982976.jsp

Voters saw me as one without a vested interest: Azharuddin
- Former India captain on his new innings
LOKENDRA PRATAP SAHI
A TELEGRAPH SPECIAL

Mohammed Azharuddin with wife Sangeeta during the recent election campaign in Moradabad
Calcutta: Now, it’s tough getting hold of Mohammed Azharuddin, Moradabad’s newest MP, but The Telegraph managed to speak to the 46-year-old former India captain, in the capital, for around 25 minutes on Sunday afternoon.

The following are excerpts

Q What was your first reaction on being declared the winner?

A Was overwhelmed... Till recently, I didn’t expect to be in politics... Now, I’m in the Lok Sabha... That’s why I got overwhelmed and, in a way, felt I finally got to play my 100th Test.

Thankful to...

First to Allah, the almighty... Then my maternal grandfather (the late Mir Vajehuddin), my parents (Azizuddin, Yusuf Sultana) and the rest of my family... To the Congress workers, who slogged it out for weeks... I’m also thankful to a group of friends, who left no stone unturned... Believe me, winning an election isn’t easy.

Who are you dedicating the win to?

To the Congress... To Soniaji and Rahulji... To the people of Moradabad, who regularly face so much hardship... I won’t betray their trust... I’ve been given a big responsibility.

How did you and the family celebrate?

In cricket, you do so with teammates... The number of people is small... In politics, you’ve got to celebrate with thousands... That’s what I did last evening... It’s after meeting and thanking as many people as I could that I came to Delhi...

Frankly, how confident were you of making it to the Lok Sabha?

I was confident and, to be honest, a bit nervous as well... Playing cricket was different as I had the bat in my hand and could do as I wished... Plus, there’s a clearly demarcated field in cricket... Politics is very, very different and you’ve got to convince lakhs... You’ve got to win their trust.

You won big, almost by 50,000 votes...

Not bad for a first-timer!

In terms of achievements, where does this win compare with your cricket feats?

A strict comparison can’t be made... However, it could be on a par with my No.1 achievement in cricket — a hundred in each of my first three Tests (at home against England, in 1984-85, beginning with 110 at the Eden).

What did the punishing campaign teach you?

The importance of patience, reminded me of the value of hard work... (After a pause) I saw so much poverty... Lack of electricity and sanitation... Indeed, I met so many women in the villages, probably 75-80 years old, who’d never been exposed to electricity... Yes, I saw a lot in the past few weeks.

Were you drained after meeting them?

Actually, I felt so fortunate... I’m obliged to try and help them, as also others... I’m duty-bound to try and improve the quality of their lives... Trying to do so is, after all, in my hands.

Why did Moradabad give you the thumbs-up?

Probably because the people got convinced that I’d do something for their area... Moradabad just hasn’t seen any development for decades... As I’ve told you, electricity is such a big issue... In fact, it’s an issue across UP... The voters probably saw me as one without a vested interest... Somebody with only one agenda: To help develop Moradabad.

Did you, at any time, feel like an outsider?

I wasn’t made to feel like one... Nobody spoke to me in those terms... I know my opponents tried to make it an issue, though. They failed.

Having been a sophisticated citywallah, campaigning in the villages must have called for much adjustment...

The reality is that I’ve always been most comfortable with people who are down to earth... I didn’t find it tough at all.

How often will you be in Moradabad?

Five-six days every month... It’s a three-hour drive from Delhi, where I’ll have to shift base (from Hyderabad).

What was it like to campaign for other Congress candidates?

A good experience...

Did anybody from the cricket fraternity campaign for you?

Kapilpaaji... He spent around three hours and, as expected, was such a huge hit.

Will you be raising sports-specific issues in the Lok Sabha?

Would depend on the issues.

The Congress did rather well in UP. What made the difference this time?

Policies of the Congress-led government at the Centre... The party’s secular credentials... The values it stands for... The campaigning done by Soniaji and Rahulji... The youth, I believe, voted for us in big numbers.

Have you met Sonia and Rahul after winning?

I just finished making a courtesy call (around noon) before speaking to you... Rahulji was busy, but I did meet Soniaji... She was happy that the Congress regained Moradabad after 25 years.

There’s a clamour for Rahul to at least be a cabinet minister. Your take?

Rahulji definitely has the ability... Manmohanji has gone on record saying he’d like him to be in his team...

A straight question: Are you yourself hoping to be inducted in the council of ministers?

The party will decide. It’s the party’s call.

Okay... Are you seeing yourself as a Muslim leader?

No, no... My estimate is that I got 60,000 votes from the Hindu community... So, that says something, doesn’t it? I wouldn’t like the label of a Muslim leader and I’m obliged to work for all... I’ve got the opportunity to give something back to every section of society, not just one community.

Navjyot Sidhu, who had a problem with you on the 1996 tour of England when you were the India captain, has been re-elected to the Lok Sabha on a BJP ticket. Could there be awkward moments between the two of you?

I don’t expect uncomfortable moments... In any case, both of us played together for some years after 1996... I don’t hold grudges... Don’t have regrets either.

Finally, are you worried that some may again raise the match-fixing bit?

(Emotionally) If it were an issue, would I have been elected? The people have given their verdict... I must add that there’s no case against me in court... The only case I’m involved with is the one I’ve filed against the Board of Control for Cricket in India (for the life ban, when one short of 100 Test appearances).

Note: While Azhar polled 3,01,283 votes, his nearest rival, Sarvesh Kumar of the BJP, got 2,52,176.

[justforkix]

So, Azhar can now take of fixing the no-confidence motions and other LS votings for the next 5 years 

[dhruvdeepak]

bloody bstrd.

it was a pretty easy campaign for him.

they put him up in moradabad - nice muslim majority.
his story was - i didnt fix any matches, where is the proof. they screwed me because im muslim.
let this never happen again to the irfan pathans and zaheer khans. vote for me

[dextrous]

"The reality is that I’ve always been most comfortable with people who are down to earth... I didn’t find it tough at all."

haha..azhar hasn't been down to earth since 1990

[keep-it-cool]

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2000/11/28/stories/01280003.htm

Azhar was the one who had to prove in the court of law that he wasn't guilty and he was unable to do so. BCCI, on its own, removed the ban later for political reasons.

Anything else you make up is entirely fiction and guesswork. Please stop quoting random articles that have nothing to do with the case and making strange predictions based on it.

There were two inquiries--the CBI one and the Mahadevan commission. Azhar then appealed in court and failed.

Everything else you present is bull*.

Wow what a standard!! Now an accused has to prove that he is guilty in the court of law!!!! Super.

Incidentally the decision to not press charges was taken when the BJP was in power - sports minister Uma Bharti.

Azhar has been trying to get his name cleared - mind you, not to reverse any guilty verdict against him - in the court. But the court has rightly said that it will not get involved because no charges have been brought against him in any case.

I have provided a clear link to an article where it is clearly stated why the parties involved (BCCI and then government) DID NOT PRESS CHARGES. Can you provide me with any link to the court throwing out Azhar's plea? I would love to read the actual reason why it was.

YOUR ARGUMENT IS ABSOLUTELY ABSURD. NO CRIMINAL CHARGES HAVE BEEN FILED AGAINST MATCH-FIXERS ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, SO WHY THE beep WOULD BCCI PURSUE LEGAL CHARGES?

Now I am beginning to lose you. You called him a traitor, right? And a criminal. Now, why wouldnt charges be filed against one?


Your debate tactics simply involve dancing around the issue which are:

(A) Azhar is not guilty because no charges were filed in the court...well, no *, Sherlock. Neither did Jadeja or Prabhakar face court charges.

In that case there is nothing that should stop them from standing for elections. Period. When people accused & charged with murder, drug trafficking etc can contest polls, it is silly to lay down any other criteria for someone against whom charges have not been levied at all.

(B) Supreme Court did NOT overturn the ban--this is a fact. In six years between 2000 and 2006 the supreme court did NOT overturn the ban.

You keep saying this ...can you provide any source that shows that the supreme court has thrown out Azhar's case - as you stated earlier on this thread as well?. Or are we just to take your word for it?

Six years is a very short time in Indian legal parlance. Azhar's case is still in the courts. This is the case he has filed against the BCCI. It has not been thrown out. Refer to the relevant portion from the interview CLR posted on this thread for the source.

Incidentally, an interesting snippet of info for you - Azhar's case is being fought by a BJP candidate, Mahesh Jethmalani.

(C) CBI's inquiry was backed by an independent commission whose verdict even the Supreme Court didn't disagree with

A CBI enquiry or a commission report does not establish guilt. Guilt has to be established in a court of law. There is no case that the BCCI or the govt has brought against Azhar. Azhar has brought a case against the BCCI ...which is still in the courts. So, can you please provide the source that says that the SC did not disagree or agreed with the commission report? Because the case is still on in the courts.

You still have not answered a simple question I have asked you earlier - a CBI report also absolves Quatrochchi in the Bofors case. By your logic, that should be the end of the case. Do you agree?

And no, Azhar cannot clear his name because he's a beeping cheat backed by people like you.

Where has he been charged? Or convicted? Arent you the one who keeps asking that same question in Narendra Modi's case? Different standards?

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Anyway, I have nothing further to debate with you on this topic unless you start bringing some facts that are backed by links to sources to the discussion - as against just making your own proclamations.

My point of view is very simple:

a) Legally, a person is deemed innocent unless he is proven guilty. That has not happened in Azhar's case. Technically, therefore, no one has the right to stop Azhar or anyone else in the same situation from contesting the elections. That is the reason Navjot Sidhu can still contest. That is the reason candidates charged in drug trafficking cases have been able to fight the elections on a BJP ticket in Gujarat or multiple goons fight cases under the BSP ticket.

b) Each voter is entitled to his or her own standard. So, if you have a vote and are convinced that Azhar is guilty, dont vote for him. I wouldn't vote for him if he were to stand from my constituency. But you or I cannot impose our view on the broader electorate.

c) The presence of criminals and people with shady backgrounds in Indian politics is neither new or confined to any one individual or party. It is a systemic issue that needs a constitutional solution. Till that happens, there is no point in singling one or two people based on your convenience. For every criminal you point out in one party, I can point out another in another party.

[Libran]

In any other self respecting nation a traitor is tried and many times even meet their maker at the behest of the state, whereas in the great joke of a nation called India we elect them to office make them responsible to run the nation.....

and coming from a party that nominated him.. i don't find it surprising at all... a party of wheelers/ dealers can only do as much

[dextrous]

"Anyway, I have nothing further to debate with you on this topic unless you start bringing some facts that are backed by links to sources to the discussion - as against just making your own proclamations."

I have completely ignored your post except for this line.

So let me say--
LOL!!! Very rich coming from someone who quotes wikipedia to establish Azhar's reputation while declining CBI's primary text and Mahadevan's committee's subsequent report. It never ends with you; what link should I give you--a different wiki page?


The most hillarious thing about your defense is that it is based on this line--"involved in a match-fixing scandal but was not proven guilty in court of law" from wikipedia which was initially supplied by the Congress party to the media and was eagerly lapped up by various journos in the article that states Azhar will contest election. (simply google the phrase). THis line had never been used by the media or by anyone else until Azhar was to contest elections.

It is entirely absurd because he was not proven anything by the courts; the courts followed the committee's report and upheld the ban.

[keep-it-cool]

"Anyway, I have nothing further to debate with you on this topic unless you start bringing some facts that are backed by links to sources to the discussion - as against just making your own proclamations."

I have completely ignored your post except for this line.

That is simply because you have not coherent counter argument. Fair enough.

So let me say--
LOL!!! Very rich coming from someone who quotes wikipedia to establish Azhar's reputation while declining CBI's primary text and Mahadevan's committee's subsequent report. It never ends with you; what link should I give you--a different wiki page?

Hello. Either you do not read or conveniently ignore the fact that the wiki link was one of many links I provided. Unlike you, who just make statements for which you have no back up source.

Just to refresh your memory ..here is the non wiki link: This is an Indian Express article that appeared long before Azhar decided to join the Congress or contest elections.

http://www.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/20001026/isp26064.html

It is learnt the government and the CBI have taken a conscious decision not to prosecute them as a criminal case may not sustain in the court.

The most hillarious thing about your defense is that it is based on this line--"involved in a match-fixing scandal but was not proven guilty in court of law" from wikipedia which was initially supplied by the Congress party to the media and was eagerly lapped up by various journos in the article that states Azhar will contest election. (simply google the phrase). THis line had never been used by the media or by anyone else until Azhar was to contest elections.

Refer above for the relevant non wiki thread that was an article written much before Azhar was to contest elections.

It is entirely absurd because he was not proven anything by the courts; the courts followed the committee's report and upheld the ban.

Source please. I wont be surprised if you ignore this once again

No court has upheld any ban. There is no case filed against him. There is only one case - the one that Azhar filed against the BCCI. That is still subjudice - i.e. no verdict has been passed - unlike what you have been saying here (the SC threw out his case or the courts upheld the ban) - of course without any source to back it up.

See link that CLR has posted (extracting the relevant portion for you)
http://telegraphindia.com/1090518/jsp/sports/story_10982976.jsp

Finally, are you worried that some may again raise the match-fixing bit?

(Emotionally) If it were an issue, would I have been elected? The people have given their verdict... I must add that there’s no case against me in court... The only case I’m involved with is the one I’ve filed against the Board of Control for Cricket in India (for the life ban, when one short of 100 Test appearances).

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Just to put things in perspective: the BJP has the largest number of MPs with pending criminal cases against them in thise elections - inching out the Congress by 1.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/lok-sabha-election-2009/articleshow/4544571.cms

NEW DELHI: Prominent dons like Vijay Shukla, D P Yadav and Mukhtar Ansari, as well as wives of many convicted politicians, may have bitten the dust 
at the hustings this time but many tainted personalities have still managed to make it to the 15th Lok Sabha.

An analysis of the affidavits filed by contestants reveals that there has been a 22% increase in MPs with criminal cases compared with those elected in 2004. About 150 newly elected MPs have criminal cases pending against them. These include 73 who have serious charges under various counts of the IPC pending against them.

According to poll watch group National Election Watch, which conducted the analysis, BJP has the maximum 42 MPs with criminal cases pending against them.

The saffron party is closely followed by Congress with 41. SP comes third with eight such MPs while BSP has six. Topmost in the list of prominent personalities with criminal cases who lost the polls are: Atiq Ahmad of Apna Dal, UP; Vijay Shukla of JD(U), Bihar; Mitrasen of SP, UP and Akhilesh Singh, Independent, who fought from Nawada.

Dinesh Rathour, another Independent, tops losers chart prepared on basis of number of IPC cases against them.

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Musclemen bite the dust in Bihar

Patna: Money and gun power have failed to influence the voters in Bihar, where perhaps for the first time all the musclemen bit the dust irrespective of their party in the just concluded Lok Sabha polls.

The results came as a surprise for a majority of those who contested the polls with money and muscle power either as Independents or with the help of pseudo candidates in the State.

Lok Janshakti Party legislator Surajbhan, who was barred from contesting the elections by the Election Commission following his conviction in a murder case, had fielded his wife Veena Devi from Navada constituency.

“But the glamour of gun has failed to attract voters this time as they want development,” said BJP’s Bhola Singh, who defeated Ms. Devi.

“The politics of crime which has been glamourised in the past few years in the State has always been short-lived and instable. They come in politics without the spirit of public service. This time people got the courage and eliminated them with the power of ballot,” Mr. Singh told PTI.

Mr. Singh, however, gives the credit to the Nitish Kumar-led government in the State for instilling courage in people. “Chief Minister himself made all the efforts to woo voters in every constituency. Clearing 45,000 pending criminal cases since 2005 and conviction of 10,000 criminals through fast track courts in the State have contributed a lot in shaping voters’ judgement in these polls,” Mr. Singh said.

Jailed RJD MP Mohammad Shahabuddin’s wife, Heena Saheb, lost in Siwan to Om Prakash Yadav, an Independent, while Pappu Yadav’s mother Shanti Priya, who fought from Purnia seat as an Independent with the Congress support, lost to Uday Singh of the BJP.

Mr. Yadav’s wife Ranjeeta Ranjan, who entered the fray from Supaul, met with the similar fate loosing to JD (U)’s Vishwa Mohan Kumar.

“Gone are the days when people used to get votes with the help of money and gun power. They have failed to influence voters this time. Common men have now got their real strength. They will never choose their leaders having tainted track record,” Monazir Hasan, who defeated Narendra Singh in Begusarai, a stronghold of upper caste musclemen, said.

JD(U)’s Jagdish Sharma, who won from Jahanabad constituency, a bastion of outlawed Maoist Communist Centre (MCC), said the people of Bihar for the first time elected their representative without being influenced by money or muscle power.

“This is for the first time when elections are fought in the name of development. Anti-social elements, which never had popular mandate, have lost their foothold in the State,” Mr. Sharma said.

Congress nominee Lovely Anand, wife of former JD(U) MP Anand Mohan, who was also barred by the Election Commission from contesting the polls, was defeated by BJP’s Rama Devi in Sheohar constituency. — PTI

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"It is learnt the government and the CBI have taken a conscious decision not to prosecute them as a criminal case may not sustain in the court. "

HILLLLLARIOUS. This, an unsubstantiated article based on hypothetical scenarios by an unknown journo...this is your proof for Azhar? The burden of proof is not on me or the court of law but was on Azhar to get his life banned overturned as the inquiry commission had full rights to ban people from playing for India.

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KIC, here's something I'll type out in all-caps so you get it, as you don't seem to get it:

You give bogus links to repetitious articles that lack substance; I give links of official independent commission rulings. People can decide on which to follow without the need for your dramatic claims on having superior wikipedia knowledge.

THERE'S NO COURT CASE AGAINST AZHAR BECAUSE NO COURT CASES WERE FILED AGAINST MATCH-FIXERS, SO WHY WOULD THERE BE A CASE AGAINST AZHAR. Where have the courts found him innocent after the commission's inquiry?

YOUR ENTIRE ILLOGICAL ARGUMENT (AND I GET YOUR HOLLOW WIKIPEDIA CONGRESS PARTY "ARGUMENT") IS BASED ON THE FACT THAT COURTS HAVE NOT FOUND HIM GUILTY. AND HOW AND WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD THE COURTS FIND HIM GUILTY I DON'T UNDERSTAND IN ABSENCE OF ANY LEGAL PRECEDANCE IN BRINGING MATCH-FIXERS TO TRIAL.

So, please spare us on your party-line defense of Azhar. DD summarized the ploy well. That's all there is to it, maybe you can run in a seat adjacent to Azhar's.

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Just to put things in perspective: the BJP has the largest number of MPs with pending criminal cases against them in thise elections - inching out the Congress by 1.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/lok-sabha-election-2009/articleshow/4544571.cms

NEW DELHI: Prominent dons like Vijay Shukla, D P Yadav and Mukhtar Ansari, as well as wives of many convicted politicians, may have bitten the dust 
at the hustings this time but many tainted personalities have still managed to make it to the 15th Lok Sabha.

An analysis of the affidavits filed by contestants reveals that there has been a 22% increase in MPs with criminal cases compared with those elected in 2004. About 150 newly elected MPs have criminal cases pending against them. These include 73 who have serious charges under various counts of the IPC pending against them.

According to poll watch group National Election Watch, which conducted the analysis, BJP has the maximum 42 MPs with criminal cases pending against them.

The saffron party is closely followed by Congress with 41. SP comes third with eight such MPs while BSP has six. Topmost in the list of prominent personalities with criminal cases who lost the polls are: Atiq Ahmad of Apna Dal, UP; Vijay Shukla of JD(U), Bihar; Mitrasen of SP, UP and Akhilesh Singh, Independent, who fought from Nawada.

Dinesh Rathour, another Independent, tops losers chart prepared on basis of number of IPC cases against them.

And what has this got to do with Azharudding being a cheat?